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In the event that two teams or more finish with equal points, but have been affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walkover, the tie shall be decided by the following means:

(i) Least number of Walkovers given.
(ii) Score Difference from the games in which only the teams involved, (teams tied on points), have played each other (subtracting the total Scores Against from the total Scores For)
(iii) Highest Total Score For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii)
(iv) Highest Total Goals For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii) & (iii)
(v) A Play-Off

From opening page on this thread. Fair chance we lose to Derry and beat Galway and everyone beats Westmeath. In that case score difference only from the games between us, Derry and Galway would come into it. 

That's why Derry can't finish top unless we beat Armagh by 6 or 7 points which just won't happen.

So Derry are hosting Armagh on Sunday and hardly a post about it...Wow. Very low key

Both sides nervous perhaps?
I think injuries on both sides will play a major part here.
Is Rian O'Neill fit?
I haven't heard anything about any of the Derry injuries - Conor Doherty, Eoin McEvoy, Niall O'Loughlin, Cormac Murphy were all out injured the last day out. If all return, the pendulum swings for Derry.
Haven't heard anything about McKinless, but assuming he's got a 2 game suspension.

I'm going to guess we hear nothing official from either side on injuries and we won't know what the lineups will look like until throw in - so its a difficult game to call.

In my opinion, a full strength Derry at home beats a full strength Armagh 9/10 times. It's a must win game for Derry if they have any aspirations of topping the group.
We'll just have to wait and see on this one I think as there are two many unknowns in terms of injuries to call it.

It's almost impossible now for Derry to top the group. Even if Derry beat Armagh, and Armagh beat Galway, the fact we lost by 5 means we're more than likely gonna miss out on top spot on score difference. We probably have to beat Armagh by at least 6 and that just isn't going to happen realistically.

Very significant win as it now brings Celtic level with Rangers as regards major trophies won with both now standing on 118 and Rangers no longer able to boast that they're the most successful club in Scotland

Celtic will soon overtake the record. It'll be a very long time before the new rangers get anywhere close.

Not the first time a Derry player has done this. I recall that Rodgers stamped on someone recently too, no call for it. Trampish stuff.

True, the discipline has slipped badly this year under the tyrone management. Mckinless let his team down today, very disappointing. Genuinely hope Comer recovers from the ankle injury and it doesn't impact on his involvement for the rest of the season.

Just Padraig McGrogan that featured in the match against Galway in the league game not named on that Derry 26 and he's replaced by McKinless. A depleted side and potential injury crisis?

Niall Loughlin is a huge loss from the 26. He's a very underrated forward. Always worth a couple of points and a massive work rate.

Behave yourself Scheffler, that's ridiculous.

Need to get stuck in from the first whistle and not let them breathe, especially at home.

No away supporters in so it should be hell for them. Especially important to start with intensity to get the crowd rocking.

Then nick an early goal.

The problem is with VAR it doubles the chances for them to get another penalty and also to give a red card to a Celtic player. It's very likely to happen especially if the game is tight. Tavernier has had a world record 20 penalties this season, he's scored a world record 15 penalties and missed a world record 5 penalties. Most of those have been extremely dodgy but have been awarded by VAR.Typically similar incidents against them have been ignored as they don't get penalties given against them.

Another example of Tyrone being refereed differently again. How can one be a yellow card and the other black?

Did you see the whole incident or just what we seen on the telly?

To be fair the BBC could not find why there was 1 black and 1 yellow appeared bizzarre, a big call that impacted on the game. Do you know why?

I only seen what the telly showed, as did most? My thinking is the the Tyrone man pulled him to the ground and what we seen was the grabbing each about on TV

Is that a black card?

In this case the black card should have been to the cavan player. You see Paudie on his hands and knees with the cavan player standingover him preventing him from getting up. Thats a black card for impending a player. Paudie then struggles to get up and when he does he drags him down.

Both were at it and both deserved a yellow.

You're literally making up the rules there.
To receive a black card GAA, a player must commit one of the following offences. Deliberately pull down an opponent. Intentionally trip an opponent with the foot, arm, hand, or leg. To deliberately interfere with a player after they have played the ball away.

Hampsey deliberately pulls down his opponent. This is one case where the referee has got his decision spot on to the letter of the law.

We need a separate hurling and football show, both 2 hours long especially at this stage of the season where there are so many games each weekend. The hurling show could be on Sunday night with football on Monday or vice versa. That would mean we could see proper highlights and allow for analysis which isn't rushed. That said we need better pundits than cavanagh and staunton who are both dismal.

The biggest problem with Gaelic football is the endless recycling of the ball around midfield areas.

The second biggest problem is that even when we are served up an absolute classic of a match, the majority of comments are about the refereeing.

Lane had neither a good nor a bad game today, certainly not one worthy of lengthy conjecture. He could have awarded a 13m instead of a penalty, nobody would have complained. He could have black carded Shane McGuigan, with 3 mins remaining, and you could see from McGuigan's eyes that he was expecting one. He could have went easier on Fenton but on balance he refereed that passage of play correctly, including the red card. He made a blooper for Dublin's equaliser no doubt. But balance that up with the fact that he facilitated a brilliant, brilliant game of sport.

Leave him alone.

Leave refs alone.

I'd agree with a lot of that. On a number of occasions I was calling for Derry frees which weren't given but on the replays they would've been soft frees. I also thought a yellow card would've been enough for Fenton but I can see why red was given. The last free in normal time shouldn't have been given but we can all see that from different angles which the ref doesn't have. Fantastic match, great entertainment. Who knows what the championship will bring but it's just great to see Derry winning a national trophy. We had some brilliant performances but also a few players who know they can do better so we've room to improve also.

just heard 2 derry players are reopning a bar in maghera together

Which bar?

And not clubmates either

Clubs?

Think it's a bar and they're only opening one.

Michael Foley in the Sunday Times said that the current system is not the final system and that eventually it will be the provincials first with the League and championship combined

An opinion piece by a journalist or be a good journalist. For that to happen it needs to be voted in by congress and the current system changed. Provincial championship under that system would become pre-season competitions with 2nd string teams in action and small crowds in attendance.

There would be less matches.  Currently D1 games are meaningless.

Don't think they are meaingless. First and foremost every team wants to retain their Div 1 status. Don't believe the theory that no team wants to reach the final, once in it a national title is there to be won. 

Everyone saw what happened to Mayo last year. The league only matters in D2 because of the Sam Maguire

From 2003 to 2023 10 league winners have gone on to win Sam. Almost a 50% record so it's hardly a hindrance to have won the league. You're using one example of a league winner having a poor championship.If you look back over those years the league winners are way more likely to have a really good championship than flop.

I remember Faughanvale win 3 out 4 intermediate  championships in the 90's ,they weren't biting at the bullet to go onto senior like Glemullin, as they knew what happen to them.

I've sympathy for Glenullin and I think they're a brilliant club but they wouldn't get within 20 points of Glen or Slaughtneil. They'll get a real good test at intermediate this year and a 3 in a row would be a brilliant achievement.

RG is training a Down team by all accounts

Heard he was in the crowd with his kids at the Derry v Dublin game.

Don't see the issue, man should be allowed to get on with his life rather than every time he leaves the house it being reported

Oh no issue at all, not what I was getting at. I just thought it was interesting that he'd go to a Derry game and I personally wonder does he still have aspirations there.
100% should be able to get on with things, I've said from the start of the whole episode that no-body should be judged based on someone elses social media posts.

I fDonal Trump is allowed to run for the most important job in the world and people vote for him surely RG should be allowed to manage a football team.

Mickey continuing his excellent record against Dublin,Kerry and Mayo

He's already beaten Kerry this season.