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Funny how Dublin fans don't complain about the ref, as they know they're likely to win the game anyway. Had it been 15 years ago, you'd have heard their whinging. Funny what success does.

I've been on the board since 2002 - never once complained about a ref. Can't really remember any Dub contributor in those dark times (and they were plenty dark) complaining about refs, either their performance or their appointment. Always too disappointed in our own lack of performance in key games.

Crazy world now that us not complaining about a ref is taken as arrogance. Would you prefer if we did?

I can guarantee he wont be feeling the pressure of the additional scrutiny, he will however have the pressure of refereeing the biggest match of the year anyway. He wont feel under pressure to do anything different from his normal refereeing style.
This is some people, with little else to do, looking for a reason to have an early pop at the ref, looking for excuses dependent on how the ref sees certain incidents. We all see incidents differently dependent on who we are supporting on any particular day.
I can guarantee a plethora of complaints from both sides on Sunday evening, regardless of the result

Agreed. It is actually disgraceful that a man's integrity can be questioned in as blasé a manner as it is on this board. There have been plenty of refereeing decisions I haven't agreed with over the years (and I'm watching the Dubs in person since 83) but I know this - if we lose, it will be because of a better team, or because we haven't performed (knowing Dubs fans the latter is the far more likely view to be taken).

TheGreatest, have you proof of your source's word regarding James Horan and 70k or not?

I cant prove it. I was only told that, that it is apparentley that figure, could be rumour, i never said it was a fact. It wouldnt suprise me though, its elite county level, sure some coaches can get 20-30 k etc in Dublin, Anthony Daly doesnt manage Kimacud for the good of his health. Nor Anthony Rainbow Ballyboden.

As yes, i know there paid professionals in the Dublin set up too.

I'm sure what Farrandeelin is getting at is you shouldn't post in that manner if you have no proof and basing something on hearsay/rumour.

Is Horan's 70k a year worth it?

Fair point, is Jack O Connor and Paul Galvin taking up roles many miles from the Kingdom for the good of their health too !

O'Connor at least has family ties with Kildare and one of his sons is living and playing club football there. Paul Galvin and his wife AFAIK are based in Dublin. Stop f@~king muckraking.

BTW, I have a ticket sorted already for the final, so I won't be scurrying around as usual. If I hear of any going spare, I'll post up on this thread - but I really think that when the dust settles from this weekend and people start getting their head around Dublin v Kerry with the five in a row at stake, that they will be hanging from the rafters.

[they don't care about underage or the League]

I don't think I will go to another final until the GAA deals with the Dublin funding issue
The competition is a joke.

I'd love to hear the real reasons why county managers resigned in 2019.

Why aren't Dublin winning all the minor and U20 titles? Everyone is ignoring the most critical reason for their success in my eyes - Jim Gavin and his backroom team. Similar to Alex Ferguson at Manchester United in another sport he just keeps serial winners ravenously hungry for further success. When he deems you're past your sell by date you're gone and replaced. Like Manchester United, Dublin never wanted for resources. They lacked proper leadership. Remember the pre-Gavin era whae Dublin were loud mouthed, goading, scoreboard pointing losers?

Of course the financial investment has improved Dublin GAA and increased participation rates. Has it really improved their senior football team? I'm not so sure. Participation rates have increased in Dublin but still lag behind the national average so population is far, far more of a factor than the caoching money.

Huge sponsorship (which was always there) has paid for the massive backroom team. I'd have way more issue with the sponsorship and the money that's spent on their county team(s). THAT's the truly unfair advantage. It'll never happen but there should be a cap on what can be spent on county teams and a central pool for sponsorship monies with every county getting an even share. If Dublin had no one to play would their sponsors pump the money in? Of course not so I think THIS is the area of real imbalance. Sugar Daddy sponsors would also have to come under the "sponsorship" umbrella. That's if we want to have a level playing field.

they don't care about underage or the League

Kevin McStay :

"They empty out pockets, go on dummy runs. They will make 50-metre runs just to get a short kickout – and often won't get the ball at all. Sooner or later the tracker gets tired and switches off, and then the openings come. After that, as happened to Roscommon, the floodgates open."

Irish Times
"The sight of a once vicious rivalry surviving on life support is the GAA's primetime product on the third weekend of June in 2019."

You can add the second weekend of August to that

manfromdelmonte
"Dubs skill level is much higher than most teams
Kick with both feet, pass off either hand, step off either foot
Plus maximise every advantage going - 3/4 steps extra while bouncing the ball, cutting in front of chasing player while soloing or running, setting screens to get space to shoot.
All highly coachable"

Irish Times

"But if there was a moment that symbolised the state of the game, it was  Angus Lyons, making his Primrose debut, surrounded by seven blue shirts and relieved off the ball. Jonny Cooper helped him up off the ground as the blue shirts sprinted across the savannah. They led by 2-21 to 0-11 at the time and were growing stronger by the second. The message was clear. Abandon hope all ye who enter here."

"sooner or later Dublin will identify an excellent replacement candidate and will bring through complete players that we haven't heard of.
Brian Howard and Eoin Murchan just came into the senior team as the fully achieved thing. It seemed like these guys walked in off the street but, of course, they didn't. And there are many more like them waiting in the wings."

It's a system designe for Dublin. f**k competition

My cousin was on the u 20 panel this year. Try telling him in the aftermath that we weren't taking it seriously.

As for the League, we've won 5 of the last 7, and what marked us out from our predecessors was taking a leaf from Cody and Kilkenny, and recognising the importance of using being as competitive as possible in the League as a springboard for champo. In fact, one of the only facts the handicappers had to mark us down this year was that we hadn't won the League.

But don't let facts outweigh your opinions, whatever you do...

[Absolutely no difference in football skills in half dozen mayo forwards and o Callaghan]

Fook sake lads!
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Of course there are morons who think that doing proper weights can't build muscle mass, and some of them post here.

Fair enough , I just wish mayo players would start the same programme as con o Callaghan so. Absolutely no difference in football skills in half dozen mayo forwards and o Callaghan but s&c difference between him and someone like Conor loftus is off the scale

Believing this is why Mayo shoot wides more often than Dublin. Paul Mannion used to be a very erratic shooter. Now, you can believe if you want that he went off and got "juiced" - or you could believe the truth that this inconsistency was identified, explained to the player, and worked on relentlessly by that player.

[Where did I say I you couldnt ban assault weapons]

I say you don't empathize with them, after reading your posts.

Where did I say I you couldnt ban assault weapons - I didn't say you said that - I pointed out that you said banning them wouldn't bring down the statistics. You could ban every automatic weapon in the country and the overall "gun death rate" per 100,000 would probably decrease by a rounding error because the vast majority of deaths are via handguns. You should try reading yourself. Especially the report I linked to where it makes very clear that it makes a real, measurable difference to get rid of assault weapons, not a rounding error.


If you glommed the crime statistics of Blanchardstown/Tallaght together with those of Foxrock and came up with an average, Im sure it would make for very scary reading for the residents of Foxrock.
That's not how national statistics work. Which is what we are talking about. But you know how spoofing works, very well. Because you live in Foxrock and you don't give a fcuk about anyone else.


If you think the second amendment will be repealed, good for you. Im sure it makes you feel better

I didn't say that it would, I merely pointed out that it could be, hence the spending of the NRA and gun lobby. But why stop spoofing now? What makes me feel better is knowing that I'm not like you.

That's the best news I have heard all day

The tone in here actually goes a long way towards explaining how Trump got elected (and very well may get re-elected). And I didn't even vote for him-I voted for Jill stein-lol

Disagree with me and you're a racist  and a white supremacist.

Got news for you though, over here there's just as many of me as there are of you. People who work hard, obey the law, pay our taxes, contribute to our communities and raise our families. Yes, I have  sympathy and empathy for those less well off than myself, but I can't solve the worlds problems and like the ongoing traveler feud, some people are just beyond redemptiin

Says it all. Pathetic.

[Where did I say I you couldnt ban assault weapons]

I say you don't empathize with them, after reading your posts.

Where did I say I you couldnt ban assault weapons - I didn't say you said that - I pointed out that you said banning them wouldn't bring down the statistics. You could ban every automatic weapon in the country and the overall "gun death rate" per 100,000 would probably decrease by a rounding error because the vast majority of deaths are via handguns. You should try reading yourself. Especially the report I linked to where it makes very clear that it makes a real, measurable difference to get rid of assault weapons, not a rounding error.


If you glommed the crime statistics of Blanchardstown/Tallaght together with those of Foxrock and came up with an average, Im sure it would make for very scary reading for the residents of Foxrock.
That's not how national statistics work. Which is what we are talking about. But you know how spoofing works, very well. Because you live in Foxrock and you don't give a fcuk about anyone else.


If you think the second amendment will be repealed, good for you. Im sure it makes you feel better

I didn't say that it would, I merely pointed out that it could be, hence the spending of the NRA and gun lobby. But why stop spoofing now? What makes me feel better is knowing that I'm not like you.

[your]

Can I just make the point (and I have made this one before, specifically) that Whitey's argument is that our perception of America having a gun crisis is erroneous because

1. Mass murder victims are a vanishingly small part of the ocean of gun victims in America
2. White people generally don't have to worry about random shootings, it only really happens in black and coloured areas
3. The murder rate in his town is less than Dublin's and other cities in Ireland...so there.

And I would respond as follows

1. Mass murders are merely the most visible symptoms of a huge psychosis at the heart of the American state - banning of guns would not only greatly decrease mass shootings, it would greatly decrease deaths by suicide and deaths in the commission of felonies.

2. This point is racist at its heart and deeply illogical - when you are talking about the rate of gun violence in a country, you don't get to go "well it is only happening to certain races and in certain areas" - because, surprise, surprise, those black and brown people are human as well, with the same intrinsic rights as those middle class whites holed up in suburban Mass. The blackest joke of our age is a political party calling itself Republican without any true insight into what that term actually means. "But I don't support Trump etc etc.." Shut the fcuk up.

3. Given his penchant for anecdotal evidence, I've been in the rundown areas of American cities, and I've been in the white middle class areas - and, without exception, the guys you have to watch out for are young, white, middle class males - especially the ones claiming to be Irish.

Someday I'll figure out what leads people to disgrace themselves on discussion boards.

You're completely missing my point (probably intentionally)

(1) You could never "ban guns" because it's written in the constitution that people have the right to bear arms. Whether you agree or disagree with that interpretation that's a whole other discussion. You could ban every automatic weapon in the country and the overall "gun death rate" per 100,000 would probably decrease by a rounding error because the vast majority of deaths are via handguns.

(2) I have a background in statistics and  I'm merely pointing out that average statistics do not paint an accurate picture of what actually happens in your real life. The town I grew up in Ireland is caught up in a traveler feud, and there have been 4/5 shootings and one murder in the past 3 years. If you looked at the statistics for that town or county (because there's other local towns caught up in it) you'd be scared to set foot in the place, but when you know the back story the average statistics become meaningless.

(3) I would generally  agree with you on point number 3.

That is the point Whitey - check back your posts. Just because you claim violence happens outside your little white enclave, it doesn't give you the right to down play it or dismiss it as not part of real life. These victims, whether Hispanics in El Paso, whites in Dayton, or black on any given night in down trodden urban centres, are all Americans, mostly citizens of your Republic, with the same basic rights as any other humans. Your failure to empathise with them is, at its core, racist.

And please don't hide behind your "background" in stats, because it is obviously piss poor. Your example of a traveller feud is not applicable as we are measuring long term trends not one-off spikes, and your insistence on measuring gun violence set against the relative peace in your town, rather than against a countrywide trend of extreme violence when set against other developed countries, would be laughed off the stage by any statistician.

As for the lack of efficacy in banning assault weapons, it took me literally 30 secs to find this https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30188421

It is a sad fact that given the level of gun violence in the States, El Paso and Dayton victims could be counted as a "rounding error" - however if the banning of assault weapons only gave back their lives alone, or maybe just the lives of Newtown, it would be worth it, wouldn't it? Even more tragic is that I have to ask you that question.

And, as pointed out, the 2nd Amendment is exactly what it says on the tin - an amendment, which can be repealed by popular consent. If it couldn't be repealed you wouldn't have the NRA and other bloodsuckers spending hundreds of millions convincing suckers like you that keeping it is central to the maintenance of democracy against tyrannies, when, in fact, it is exactly the opposite.

Poor deluded dopes.

Can I just make the point (and I have made this one before, specifically) that Whitey's argument is that our perception of America having a gun crisis is erroneous because

1. Mass murder victims are a vanishingly small part of the ocean of gun victims in America
2. White people generally don't have to worry about random shootings, it only really happens in black and coloured areas
3. The murder rate in his town is less than Dublin's and other cities in Ireland...so there.

And I would respond as follows

1. Mass murders are merely the most visible symptoms of a huge psychosis at the heart of the American state - banning of guns would not only greatly decrease mass shootings, it would greatly decrease deaths by suicide and deaths in the commission of felonies.

2. This point is racist at its heart and deeply illogical - when you are talking about the rate of gun violence in a country, you don't get to go "well it is only happening to certain races and in certain areas" - because, surprise, surprise, those black and brown people are human as well, with the same intrinsic rights as those middle class whites holed up in suburban Mass. The blackest joke of our age is a political party calling itself Republican without any true insight into what that term actually means. "But I don't support Trump etc etc.." Shut the fcuk up.

3. Given his penchant for anecdotal evidence, I've been in the rundown areas of American cities, and I've been in the white middle class areas - and, without exception, the guys you have to watch out for are young, white, middle class males - especially the ones claiming to be Irish.

Someday I'll figure out what leads people to disgrace themselves on discussion boards.

A working majority of one. SF still keeping BoJo in power though...

Add in all the ex-cabinet ministers he shafted and the likes of Letwin and Grieve who were already outside the tent, plus throw in the 2 ERG members who said they would only accept No Deal, and poor auld Boris hasn't a majority for anything. Even if he promised SF an immediate United Ireland if they came in and supported a No Deal, their votes still wouldn't get him anywhere near a working majority.

So, let's game this out - what are his options

1. Tweak the deal, keeping DUP onboard and put it to Parliament again. Newton Emerson had an interesting piece in the IT yesterday in which he claimed that substantial progress had been made before BoJo's ascension - DUP were looking to climb down (which I had said in my last posts on this thread) and had apparently already accepted port based agri-food checks (making NI a different agri-food zone to the rest of Britain, but as long as no one labelled it a "sea-border" they were going to be pragmatic about it). However, BoJo's inflammatory rhetoric, followed by Leo's musings on a United Ireland scuppered this, leading to a bitter response from the DUP.
Assuming all that to be true, I still think with even the DUP's support this doesn't go through parliament. The two Spartans from the ERG will no doubt be joined by more swivel eyed loons, whilst Lib Dems and SNP are pro-Remain, and Corbyn will never do a deal with Boris, especially with an election in the offing. Boris could get 20 or so Lab defectors desperate to get something, anything over the line, but not enough to make up for his losses.

2. Call an election. Timing is the problem here. Great article in the Independent here explain the difficulties in getting anything done before Oct 31st, so get it out of your heads that he is going to call one before the exit date. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-general-election-snap-corbyn-brexit-vote-no-confidence-a9022336.html

3. If he can't call an election beforehand, if a tweaked deal isn't going to go through, and he knows it, then we need to take seriously the possibility that he will try to suspend parliament in an effort to run down the clock and exit with No Deal. This to me is both the most likely scenario (because there is nothing worse than an autocrat with zero respect for the democratic process, claiming he has a mandate in the form of a nebulous referendum result) and the one least likely to succeed (the one thing Parliament has consistently agreed on is that there should not be a No Deal exit, and that majority will find a way to make its voice heard). The optics around this could also bury the No Deal cause - if Boris, Jacob and Mark Francois are holed up in an empty Palace of Westminster behind police and possibly army lines, while the rest of the MPs are on the streets with demonstrators, you will have the fall of the government and the death of a No Deal scenario.

4. All of which leads to the last most unknowable scenario - what happens then? I think the only thing we could predict is that if such turmoil is taking place the EU would stand ready to offer another extension. But beyond that, I don't know how it will go.

I said before that a thought a No Deal was unlikely and that even if it happened, it would not be permanent. I still believe those statement to be broadly supportable - however, I do feel now that a large amount of civil unrest is not only possible, but likely, and that turbulence will have consequences we can't see.

this is a ridiculous argument - but just for clarity, I remember last year when this came up, wasn't  it said that though Parnell Park was still officially their home ground, any county had the right, if their home venue hadn't enough capacity, to nominate and use another venue for their home game - in Dublin's case, Croke Park.

Anyhow, in case it means anything, I think the Super 8's should have fixed this flaw after last year. It's not about being fair, it's about being fair and being perceived to be fair. I think it would make no difference whatsoever to Dublin's performances and the eventual result, but as a format it is terribly flawed - for everybody.

Only was flicking through channels when I came across 2 mins of Jacob's analysis, of Shane O'Donnell's goal for Clare at the start of the Cork game. In that 2 mins she highlighted O'Donnells good running into channels, how the other Clare forward dragged the Cork full back out of position with another good run, leaving space for O'Donnell to attack, and how O'Donnell's marker was carrying his hurl in the wrong hand, allowing O'Donnell turn and beat him on the outside.

This is the only piece of technical analysis that has stayed with me from a Sunday Game in 35 years watching it (including a couple of years working on it).

She is a brilliant analyst. Gender doesn't come into it.

[Those poetic promos with lots of slo-mos are a bore at this stage.]

I actually liked that MOTD2 style Dubs on the train, but why are we doing this epic intro on top of that.

Also we know it's 40 years old but surely we can get a clip of Wexford in Leinster action rather than looking back on their All Ireland befpre a round robin game?

Those poetic promos with lots of slo-mos are a bore at this stage.

Ah Jesus, they do my head in, those things.

+1000

Badly written, sloppily edited, poorly performed. Complete waste of time, as was the Dubs on the train -

"So, do you think the Dubs will do 5 in a row?"
"Ah, yeah."
"And what will you do then?"
"Get locked".
"Ha, ha, ha, good man, good man....hmm....what station are we at? ....Any sign of Portlaoise yet?.....Jaysis, Iarnroid Eireann are a shambles, wha?....Turn off the camera there....Please....turn it off!"

Dubs intend getting scoobied when we do 5 in a row. Hardly the third secret of Fatima.

RTE spending money on this, thinking that editorially it was worth anything, on one of the busiest weekends in the provincial championships. Now there is a mystery.

Honourable mentions to the Behans - Brendan for "The Auld Triangle" and Dominic for "The Patriot Game" - tellingly Dylan in his Greenwich village days apparently covered the first one as "The Banks of the Royal Canal" and of course nicked the latter for "With God On Our Side" - but I'd have to give it to Paddy Kavanagh's "Raglan Road" - Luke's version of course.