What's the story lads. Who's going to win? Paddy Power thinks it's Dublin.
Some of the Pods today saying the Dubs haven't really had a game yet & could be undercooked.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 26, 2023, 05:56:26 PM
Some of the Pods today saying the Dubs haven't really had a game yet & could be undercooked.
Pods aren't doing their research or have short memories. In Div 2 Dublin had to pull wins out of the bag against Kildare and Clare in Croke and lost to Derry and took a last minute save to avoid defeat to Cork. In the Leinster final again looked like Kildare would beat them but a late rally got them over the line and drew with Roscommon in the group stage.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 26, 2023, 07:33:44 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 26, 2023, 05:56:26 PM
Some of the Pods today saying the Dubs haven't really had a game yet & could be undercooked.
Pods aren't doing their research or have short memories. In Div 2 Dublin had to pull wins out of the bag against Kildare and Clare in Croke and lost to Derry and took a last minute save to avoid defeat to Cork. In the Leinster final again looked like Kildare would beat them but a late rally got them over the line and drew with Roscommon in the group stage.
Pods realise that Mayo have lost to Roscommon and Cork in the Championship and barely beat Louth. Dublin are undefeated in the Championship. Dublin are playing in their home ground.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 26, 2023, 07:33:44 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 26, 2023, 05:56:26 PM
Some of the Pods today saying the Dubs haven't really had a game yet & could be undercooked.
Pods aren't doing their research or have short memories. In Div 2 Dublin had to pull wins out of the bag against Kildare and Clare in Croke and lost to Derry and took a last minute save to avoid defeat to Cork. In the Leinster final again looked like Kildare would beat them but a late rally got them over the line and drew with Roscommon in the group stage.
I'm guessing they didn't think too much of the quality of opposition they've been facing recently and after a Division 2 campaign.
Unfortunately I expect Dublin to easily account for our bruised and battered warriors . Last 20 mins of this game I really fear could be wild scoring as our bucks completely run out of gas .
We won the league , had a very enjoyable win down in Killarney, knocked Galway out . Overall it's been a 7/10 year for their first year as a management team . Croker the weekend is truly bonus territory imo , the one week turnaround will be the killer for a team that has not looked to have great stamina all year anyway ie last periods of several games from the league right through the championship.
We could see a return of the cheeky dubs this weekend.. the swagger, their home ground, the hill...
Quote from: larryin89 on June 27, 2023, 09:59:15 AM
Unfortunately I expect Dublin to easily account for our bruised and battered warriors . Last 20 mins of this game I really fear could be wild scoring as our bucks completely run out of gas .
We won the league , had a very enjoyable win down in Killarney, knocked Galway out . Overall it's been a 7/10 year for their first year as a management team . Croker the weekend is truly bonus territory imo , the one week turnaround will be the killer for a team that has not looked to have great stamina all year anyway ie last periods of several games from the league right through the championship.
Larry was Ruane dropped or injured? Would think he would need to match up against Fenton in the middle for this one.
I think he was down with this stomach bug that apparently ran through half the squad before the cork game .
Home advantage proving not worth a damn in the championship this year. Again. Best team on the day wins, no matter the venue. Connacht teams especially finding it difficult to win home games!
Big worry for the Dubs is lack of preparation. The only one of the quarter finalists who have played none of the remaining quarter finalists in the championship. Mayo will definitely turn up with vigour and will be getting rightly stuck in as they always do. Unless they have picked up injuries, playing every week is absolutely no problem to them, they are as fit a team as there is. McStay will also fix the selection, definitely won't be the same starting XV. .
Dubs should just about be back to full strength for the first time this year. But some doubt surrounds who should start and who should be impact sub. We need the likes of Fenton, Howard, Kilkenny to have big games, they have been inconsistent this year, we can't afford for them to be quiet against Mayo. And it will be very interesting to see whether Jack and Mannion are starters or subs, and if they can produce a performance when they get on the pitch.
The Dubs are all about squeezing one last drop out of the remnants of the 6 in a row team. It's why the rebuild has been put on hold and the likes of Cluxton has returned at 41 and McCarthy and Fitzsimmons have kept on playing. To try and get to an unprecedented 9 All Ireland medals. Is that desire still there after all those titles? We don't really know but I think Mayo will at least put that to the test on Sunday. Whether that is enough to take out the Dubs I wouldn't be too sure and I'd still favour Dublin to win this one.
Quote from: statto on June 27, 2023, 10:07:48 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 27, 2023, 09:59:15 AM
Unfortunately I expect Dublin to easily account for our bruised and battered warriors . Last 20 mins of this game I really fear could be wild scoring as our bucks completely run out of gas .
We won the league , had a very enjoyable win down in Killarney, knocked Galway out . Overall it's been a 7/10 year for their first year as a management team . Croker the weekend is truly bonus territory imo , the one week turnaround will be the killer for a team that has not looked to have great stamina all year anyway ie last periods of several games from the league right through the championship.
Larry was Ruane dropped or injured? Would think he would need to match up against Fenton in the middle for this one.
He was dropped, and rightly so, he's been poor for two years bar a couple of games
Very difficult to know where Dublin are at so just so difficult to predict and can Mayo put back to back performances together.
Those kick out stats will have alarmed McStay especially considering so many were contested but on the flip side they managed to win despite only winning 12 out of 37 kickouts.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on June 27, 2023, 11:39:11 AM
Quote from: statto on June 27, 2023, 10:07:48 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 27, 2023, 09:59:15 AM
Unfortunately I expect Dublin to easily account for our bruised and battered warriors . Last 20 mins of this game I really fear could be wild scoring as our bucks completely run out of gas .
We won the league , had a very enjoyable win down in Killarney, knocked Galway out . Overall it's been a 7/10 year for their first year as a management team . Croker the weekend is truly bonus territory imo , the one week turnaround will be the killer for a team that has not looked to have great stamina all year anyway ie last periods of several games from the league right through the championship.
Larry was Ruane dropped or injured? Would think he would need to match up against Fenton in the middle for this one.
He was dropped, and rightly so, he's been poor for two years bar a couple of games
have heard a lot of people expressing surprise at ruane not being selected. i do not rate him as a midfielder. tyrone ruthlessly exposed his shortcomings in that position in 2021 and every team in the country knows how to play him now. if he plays for mayo on sunday, gurenteed he will be a liability.
QuoteUnfortunately I expect Dublin to easily account for our bruised and battered warriors . Last 20 mins of this game I really fear could be wild scoring as our bucks completely run out of gas .
We won the league , had a very enjoyable win down in Killarney, knocked Galway out . Overall it's been a 7/10 year for their first year as a management team . Croker the weekend is truly bonus territory imo , the one week turnaround will be the killer for a team that has not looked to have great stamina all year anyway ie last periods of several games from the league right through the championship.
Can't argue with much of that but the single bright thing that gives us hope is that in latter years when Dublin were at their peak it would be a case of "how do you stop the Dubs?", not as much of that going on these days. Might be close enough but I'd say the 5 day turnaround excluding travel will catch us alright.
My take is that Mayo fading is the inside out way of how they are likely to lose one.
Dublin are an ageing team who haven't had a proper championship match in a year, and won't be bringing on a group of crack commandos from the bench. The Dub's most likely path to success is to blow Mayo out of sight early doors. And Con O'Callaghan is just the man to do that.
Mayo's bench will be half made up of strong runners and half made up of big game experience. Dublin shouldn't wish to find out how that goes,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi5Hm2MfyjU
Quote from: thewobbler on June 27, 2023, 09:28:44 PM
My take is that Mayo fading is the inside out way of how they are likely to lose one.
Dublin are an ageing team who haven't had a proper championship match in a year, and won't be bringing on a group of crack commandos from the bench. The Dub's most likely path to success is to blow Mayo out of sight early doors. And Con O'Callaghan is just the man to do that.
Mayo's bench will be half made up of strong runners and half made up of big game experience. Dublin shouldn't wish to find out how that goes,
If Mayo were 10 points up or 10 points down at HT you wouldn't say the game was over either way though
It's hard to know how good Dublin are
Two pages on a Mayo thread, what's going on?
Quote from: larryin89 on June 27, 2023, 10:40:27 AM
I think he was down with this stomach bug that apparently ran through half the squad before the cork game .
Considering how Diarmuid O Connor played that day, I could see that has some credence.
For a man that literally runs himself into the ground every time he puts that Mayo jersey on, he was standing with his hands on his his knees 20 mins in, also got badly caught in the build up to that Cork goal.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 27, 2023, 12:03:54 PM
Very difficult to know where Dublin are at so just so difficult to predict and can Mayo put back to back performances together.
Those kick out stats will have alarmed McStay especially considering so many were contested but on the flip side they managed to win despite only winning 12 out of 37 kick-outs.
very valid point, we have been badly beaten in the middle third for three straight games.
Cannot see how that can be resolved in a week. Who knows.
Quote from: joemamas on June 28, 2023, 02:59:19 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 27, 2023, 12:03:54 PM
Very difficult to know where Dublin are at so just so difficult to predict and can Mayo put back to back performances together.
Those kick out stats will have alarmed McStay especially considering so many were contested but on the flip side they managed to win despite only winning 12 out of 37 kick-outs.
very valid point, we have been badly beaten in the middle third for three straight games.
Cannot see how that can be resolved in a week. Who knows.
Yes, would be a major concern at this stage. Can't win ball in midfield when we go long, and Reape is getting jittery when opposition puts on a press.
The stats from last week show Galway really should have won that game, but same old Galway - they just don't have the forwards 😉
Quote from: Tubberman on June 28, 2023, 10:35:38 PM
Quote from: joemamas on June 28, 2023, 02:59:19 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 27, 2023, 12:03:54 PM
Very difficult to know where Dublin are at so just so difficult to predict and can Mayo put back to back performances together.
Those kick out stats will have alarmed McStay especially considering so many were contested but on the flip side they managed to win despite only winning 12 out of 37 kick-outs.
very valid point, we have been badly beaten in the middle third for three straight games.
Cannot see how that can be resolved in a week. Who knows.
Yes, would be a major concern at this stage. Can't win ball in midfield when we go long, and Reape is getting jittery when opposition puts on a press.
The stats from last week show Galway really should have won that game, but same old Galway - they just don't have the forwards 😉
Good man, T. ;D
Quote from: joemamas on June 28, 2023, 02:56:15 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 27, 2023, 10:40:27 AM
I think he was down with this stomach bug that apparently ran through half the squad before the cork game .
Considering how Diarmuid O Connor played that day, I could see that has some credence.
For a man that literally runs himself into the ground every time he puts that Mayo jersey on, he was standing with his hands on his his knees 20 mins in, also got badly caught in the build up to that Cork goal.
Donr let that fool you, he can often look tired in warmup
its his abilty to keep going and going that makes him such a special player,
who will pick up fenton and con, from a mayo perspective? there is a huge game in con this year imo, could be sunday.
likewise tho, could be a day for aidan o'shea can't think who dublin could put on him who would have the physicality? murchan on conroy i assume? he'll have the speed for him but there would be a height difference.
Con is injured I believe
If that's true then that's a game changer.
Dublin: S Cluxton; D Newcombe, M Fitzsimons, L Gannon; J McCarthy, J Small, J McCaffrey; B Fenton, B Howard; C Kilkenny, S Bugler, N Scully; P Small, C O'Callaghan, C Basquel.
Mayo: C Reape, J Coyne, D McBrien, P O'Hora, P Durcan, S Coen, E McLaughlin, M Ruane, D O'Connor, J Doherty, J Carney, J Flynn, A O'Shea, T Conroy, R O'Donoghue.
Two strong teams on paper.
Impossible to call.
Mayo have been looking the part for most of the year. Have they flattered to deceive? Sunday will tell the tale.
On the other hand Dublin have performed in fits and starts. What will they be like on Sunday - that's the big question.
Fingers crossed
COYBIB
Quote from: Hound on June 30, 2023, 10:51:26 AM
Dublin: S Cluxton; D Newcombe, M Fitzsimons, L Gannon; J McCarthy, J Small, J McCaffrey; B Fenton, B Howard; C Kilkenny, S Bugler, N Scully; P Small, C O'Callaghan, C Basquel.
Mayo: C Reape, J Coyne, D McBrien, P O'Hora, P Durcan, S Coen, E McLaughlin, M Ruane, D O'Connor, J Doherty, J Carney, J Flynn, A O'Shea, T Conroy, R O'Donoghue.
Two strong teams on paper.
Mayo will make changes, have done in every championship game thus far this year. How many of Byrne,Mannion,Murchan,Costello will start for Dublin, the latter probably given the free kick duties? Byrne would likely pick up Aidan O'Shea and Murchan's pace will be needed against Mayo.
I hope Mayo are not flat for this game. My guess is that they could be. The week turn-around is a big concern.
Mentally Mayo were really up for it last week. The last time Mayo had two big games on the trot was the League final against Galway followed by a Connacht Championship game against Roscommon. We were very flat in that game. Not all was to do with Mayo, Roscommon have also to be credited for having a solid game plan that day.
Four changes to the Dublin starting team.
David Byrne, Eoin Murchan, Cormac Costello & Paul Mannion come into the team.
They replace Daire Newcombe, Jack McCaffrey, Ciaran Kilkenny & Paddy Small.
Mayo with one change J Doherty out and in Sam Callinan
Assuming McCaffrey and Kilkenny aren't 100% fit, then that's probably our best 15. But I think I would have held back at least one of Costello or Mannion. Not a whole heap to be afraid of on our bench as it is. So hopefully won't need a big impact!
Shooting poor from Dublin thus far, a wide and two into the keeper hands. 5 mins played Dublin 0-0 Mayo 0-1
Already 10x more entertaining than the last match.
Gough favouring Mayo with the marginal callls so far.
15 mins played. Dublin 0-3 Mayo 0-3. Goal for Dublin 1-3 to 0-4!
O'Shea is much more effective when he lays it off quickly.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 02, 2023, 04:15:47 PM
15 mins played. Dublin 0-3 Mayo 0-3. Goal for Dublin 1-3 to 0-4!
ohora the thug is getting roasted.
Great game of FOOTBALL.
Quote from: lenny on July 02, 2023, 04:19:14 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 02, 2023, 04:15:47 PM
15 mins played. Dublin 0-3 Mayo 0-3. Goal for Dublin 1-3 to 0-4!
ohora the thug is getting roasted.
Reminds me of Crissy.
Basquel has been on the fringes for a while, nice to see him finally been given a real chance.
25 mins played Dublin 1-3 Mayo 0-8. Mayo exploiting the loose marking in the Dublin defence.
Small buys an important free for Dublin.
Massive mistake from the ref there.
Looks like that goal should have stood for Mayo.
O'Hora having a day to forget.
Perfectly good goal ruled out. Umpires didn't intervene. In fairness it did look like off the ground in real time.
Can you pick the ball up between your knees?
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on July 02, 2023, 04:30:27 PM
Looks like that goal should have stood for Mayo.
I thought that was a foul by rule and the correct decision. Is it not?
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 02, 2023, 04:31:39 PM
You aren't allowed to lift the ball with your knees.
Correct, Technical foul in GAA rule book.
O'Hora subbed off. Not his day!
Correct.
Despite what the commentators think you can't lift ball off the ground with your knees.
Be worth commentators reading the rule book once in a while. Especially the black card section
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 02, 2023, 04:32:18 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 02, 2023, 04:31:39 PM
You aren't allowed to lift the ball with your knees.
Correct, Technical foul in GAA rule book.
Absolutely if it touched the ground
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 02, 2023, 04:32:18 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 02, 2023, 04:31:39 PM
You aren't allowed to lift the ball with your knees.
Correct, Technical foul in GAA rule book.
Did the ball touch the ground?
Someone was pointing out the referee thread the gap between referee understanding and the public!
But he didn't pick it off ground with knees?
Half time Dublin 1-6 Mayo 0-8.
Enjoyable enough game so far.
Mayo are never dull to watch
Mayo look the more athletic, composed and better balanced side.
Dublin's goal threat though is just kind of ominous. O'Hora had to go. He was miles off it.
Quote from: tyroneman on July 02, 2023, 04:33:41 PM
Correct.
Despite what the commentators think you can't lift ball off the ground with your knees.
Be worth commentators reading the rule book once in a while. Especially the black card section
He never picked it up off the ground, be worth checking it before writing that
Ok first half hard for them to live up to the high octane curtain raiser but they're trying!
Watching it again. I think it was the correct decision
Why are GAA supporters even calling that incorrectly? This is the problem with a lot of the supporters now, they simply don't know the rules
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 02, 2023, 04:46:54 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 02, 2023, 04:40:10 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on July 02, 2023, 04:33:41 PM
Correct.
Despite what the commentators think you can't lift ball off the ground with your knees.
Be worth commentators reading the rule book once in a while. Especially the black card section
He never picked it up off the ground, be worth checking it before writing that
What are you watching man?
Gough assumed he picked it up off the ground. You can't make a call without seeing it directly. Seen 3 replays of it and it's not clear that the ball actually touches the ground, it's close but too close to call. Gough was a right bit away from it so therefore he made a call assuming it happened
Quote from: David McKeown on July 02, 2023, 04:47:53 PM
Watching it again. I think it was the correct decision
I believe it was the correct decision also.
(https://i.ibb.co/vsPxFxV/off-the-ground.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WDyWhWG)
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 02, 2023, 04:49:57 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 02, 2023, 04:46:54 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 02, 2023, 04:40:10 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on July 02, 2023, 04:33:41 PM
Correct.
Despite what the commentators think you can't lift ball off the ground with your knees.
Be worth commentators reading the rule book once in a while. Especially the black card section
He never picked it up off the ground, be worth checking it before writing that
What are you watching man?
Gough assumed he picked it up off the ground. You can't make a call without seeing it directly. Seen 3 replays of it and it's not clear that the ball actually touches the ground, it's close but too close to call. Gough was a right bit away from it so therefore he made a call assuming it happened
Were you speaking to him at halftime?
Was it a penalty before hand?
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 02, 2023, 04:46:54 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 02, 2023, 04:40:10 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on July 02, 2023, 04:33:41 PM
Correct.
Despite what the commentators think you can't lift ball off the ground with your knees.
Be worth commentators reading the rule book once in a while. Especially the black card section
He never picked it up off the ground, be worth checking it before writing that
What are you watching man?
Joking boss! Great game so far looking forward to second half here great atmosphere!
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 02, 2023, 04:52:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 02, 2023, 04:49:34 PM
Why are GAA supporters even calling that incorrectly? This is the problem with a lot of the supporters now, they simply don't know the rules
Supporters, players, managers, commentators.....
I get that passion plays a big part in people calling for frees and so on, but there is only one person that calls it.
That being said, ref's can get it wrong too 8)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 02, 2023, 04:56:45 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 02, 2023, 04:52:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 02, 2023, 04:49:34 PM
Why are GAA supporters even calling that incorrectly? This is the problem with a lot of the supporters now, they simply don't know the rules
Supporters, players, managers, commentators.....
I get that passion plays a big part in people calling for frees and so on, but there is only one person that calls it.
That being said, ref's can get it wrong too 8)
Funny how the big teams always get the big calls
Dublin beginning to pull away.
40 mins played. First three scores of the 2nd half to Dublin, 1-9 to 0-8 as I type Goal for Dublin! 2-9 to 0-8
Game over
And all of a sudden the Dubs are 7 up!
Quote from: whitey on July 02, 2023, 04:58:09 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 02, 2023, 04:56:45 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 02, 2023, 04:52:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 02, 2023, 04:49:34 PM
Why are GAA supporters even calling that incorrectly? This is the problem with a lot of the supporters now, they simply don't know the rules
Supporters, players, managers, commentators.....
I get that passion plays a big part in people calling for frees and so on, but there is only one person that calls it.
That being said, ref's can get it wrong too 8)
Funny how the big teams always get the big calls
That's bolloxs btw
That's that! Mayo blitzed this last couple of minutes.
Mayo gonna Mayo!!
Start heading for the N5 lads!
Jaysus Mayo have fairly been rolled over the start of this half. They were the better team in the 1st half and probably unlucky to go in behind, but all of a sudden it looks like the game is gone from them already
You can't but be impressed.
It's like they flicked a switch.
Mayo have barely been in the Dublin half.
Dublin v Kerry final should be a cracker although still a poor championship overall.
23 mins played Mayo 0-8 Dublin 1-3. Now 45 mins played Mayo 0-8 Dublin 2-10
Harsh lesson for that defender too, trying to see a slow ball out of play.
What a player to come on
Dubs loves Aido!
McCaffery and Kilkenny coming on as subs when you're 7 points down. That's tough for Mayo
Mayo's first score since the 23rd minute, a defender Paddy Durcan. 49 mins played Dublin 2-10 Mayo 0-9
For all Mayos 1st half play dublin were 1 ahead at the break and they'd kicked 3 balls into the keepers hands plus a few bad wides.
Quote from: screenexile on July 02, 2023, 05:02:54 PM
Mayo gonna Mayo!!
Mayoing in the quarters means winning.
you cant miss chances like that
What a miss!!
Quote from: straightred on July 02, 2023, 05:10:08 PM
For all Mayos 1st half play dublin were 1 ahead at the break and they'd kicked 3 balls into the keepers hands plus a few bad wides.
That miss is why mayo will never win the AI. mcglughlin empty net from a few yards out and hits the post. On his good foot too.
Quote from: J70 on July 02, 2023, 05:11:46 PM
What a miss!!
Sums up Mayo's day, and now another point for Dublin to lead by 8 points.
I was wondering how Mayo were going to miss that goal chance.
Then they hit the post
Hey ho
Dublin into fantasy football mode in front of the home fans.
its turned into a snoozefest
That Mayo missed open goal was huge. Would have been 4 points it and a potential momentum change.
This year was a rebuilding year for Mayo . A League win and a qf aren't too shabby. They also learnt how to time wins in the round robins.
Trying to work out the draw
Monaghan cant play Derry but can play Kerry or Dublin
Derry can't play Monaghan but can play Kerry or Dublin
Kerry cant play Dublin (becuase derry cant play monaghan)
Dublin cant play kerry (as above)
Quote from: seafoid on July 02, 2023, 05:28:14 PM
This year was a rebuilding year for Mayo . A League win and a qf aren't too shabby. They also learnt how to time wins in the round robins.
It the beginning of a new cycle.
Mayo flat as expected. The Cork loss caught up with them!
FT Dublin 2-17 Mayo 0-11. Not the close and competitive contest that many pundits and experts.
Kerry and Dublin have shown this weekend to be a real level above the rest. Derry/Monaghan are going to need to do something extraordinary to prevent a Kerry v Dublin AI final
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 02, 2023, 05:30:19 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 02, 2023, 05:28:14 PM
This year was a rebuilding year for Mayo . A League win and a qf aren't too shabby. They also learnt how to time wins in the round robins.
It the beginning of a new cycle.
I was watching a video about Sarsfields camogie team in Galway who won the club All Ireland recently.
in 1992 the club won the club hurling all Ireland . 10 of the players on the hurling team had a daughter on the camogie team.
Success is genetic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rgqM7wYaRw
Mayo could do worse than investigate the descendants of the forwards in 1936, 1950 and 51
Almost the same score line as Kerry vs Tyrone. Hard to believe Tyrone and Mayo both loose by 12 points.
Very good performance from Dublin, credit where credit is due. Went for it, played nice brand of football.
Quote from: seafoid on July 02, 2023, 05:38:10 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 02, 2023, 05:30:19 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 02, 2023, 05:28:14 PM
This year was a rebuilding year for Mayo . A League win and a qf aren't too shabby. They also learnt how to time wins in the round robins.
It the beginning of a new cycle.
I was watching a video about Sarsfields camogie team in Galway who won the club All Ireland recently.
in 1992 the club won the club hurling all Ireland . 10 of the players on the hurling team had a daughter on the camogie team.
Success is genetic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rgqM7wYaRw
Mayo could do worse than investigate the descendants of the forwards in 1936, 1950 and 51
Christ Seafoid, but you do come out with some sh*te every now and then.
Hope McCarthy goes on and gets the 9th Medal now!
Quote from: Schkite on July 02, 2023, 05:37:44 PM
Kerry and Dublin have shown this weekend to be a real level above the rest. Derry/Monaghan are going to need to do something extraordinary to prevent a Kerry v Dublin AI final
You're probably right but we should also say that both Mayo and Tyrone were really poor this weekend
Quote from: straightred on July 02, 2023, 05:42:41 PM
Quote from: Schkite on July 02, 2023, 05:37:44 PM
Kerry and Dublin have shown this weekend to be a real level above the rest. Derry/Monaghan are going to need to do something extraordinary to prevent a Kerry v Dublin AI final
You're probably right but we should also say that both Mayo and Tyrone were really poor this weekend
3/4 teams who played last weekend were put out. 3 weeks in a row took its toll. Definitely looked like a bit of fatigue in Mayo and Tyrone. Makes Monaghan win even more impressive.
Quote from: straightred on July 02, 2023, 05:42:41 PM
Quote from: Schkite on July 02, 2023, 05:37:44 PM
Kerry and Dublin have shown this weekend to be a real level above the rest. Derry/Monaghan are going to need to do something extraordinary to prevent a Kerry v Dublin AI final
You're probably right but we should also say that both Mayo and Tyrone were really poor this weekend
Sure but I'd say that they were made look poor. Both 1st halves were competitive - but when Kerry and Dublin poured on the pressure, Tyrone and Mayo had absolutely no answer
Quote from: CK_Redhand on July 02, 2023, 05:44:33 PM
Quote from: straightred on July 02, 2023, 05:42:41 PM
Quote from: Schkite on July 02, 2023, 05:37:44 PM
Kerry and Dublin have shown this weekend to be a real level above the rest. Derry/Monaghan are going to need to do something extraordinary to prevent a Kerry v Dublin AI final
You're probably right but we should also say that both Mayo and Tyrone were really poor this weekend
3/4 teams who played last weekend were put out. 3 weeks in a row took its toll. Definitely looked like a bit of fatigue in Mayo and Tyrone. Makes Monaghan win even more impressive.
Or Armagh less impressive.
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Kerry and Dublin have shown this weekend to be a real level above the rest. Derry/Monaghan are going to need to do something extraordinary to prevent a Kerry v Dublin AI final
You're probably right but we should also say that both Mayo and Tyrone were really poor this weekend
3/4 teams who played last weekend were put out. 3 weeks in a row took its toll. Definitely looked like a bit of fatigue in Mayo and Tyrone. Makes Monaghan win even more impressive.
It's a silly advantage for the 4 group winners. All teams need a 2 week break.
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Kerry and Dublin have shown this weekend to be a real level above the rest. Derry/Monaghan are going to need to do something extraordinary to prevent a Kerry v Dublin AI final
You're probably right but we should also say that both Mayo and Tyrone were really poor this weekend
3/4 teams who played last weekend were put out. 3 weeks in a row took its toll. Definitely looked like a bit of fatigue in Mayo and Tyrone. Makes Monaghan win even more impressive.
There was nothing impressive about Monaghan performance though, Armagh were brutal too, everyone will be looking to get Monaghan in fairness
Pathetic display by Mayo in second half. Two very disappointing games today. If its not anti football snoozefest like the first match , it's a team being annihilated in an uncompetitive match.
Dunno how long they can squeeze paying fans for this rubbish
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Kerry and Dublin have shown this weekend to be a real level above the rest. Derry/Monaghan are going to need to do something extraordinary to prevent a Kerry v Dublin AI final
You're probably right but we should also say that both Mayo and Tyrone were really poor this weekend
3/4 teams who played last weekend were put out. 3 weeks in a row took its toll. Definitely looked like a bit of fatigue in Mayo and Tyrone. Makes Monaghan win even more impressive.
There was nothing impressive about Monaghan performance though, Armagh were brutal too, everyone will be looking to get Monaghan in fairness
I doubt either Kerry or Dublin will really give a shite whether they get Derry or Monaghan in all fairness. For teams like that it's not a huge concern as they can't meet each other til the final
Upbeat and philosophical from McStay.
And why not?
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Quote from: Schkite on July 02, 2023, 05:37:44 PM
Kerry and Dublin have shown this weekend to be a real level above the rest. Derry/Monaghan are going to need to do something extraordinary to prevent a Kerry v Dublin AI final
You're probably right but we should also say that both Mayo and Tyrone were really poor this weekend
3/4 teams who played last weekend were put out. 3 weeks in a row took its toll. Definitely looked like a bit of fatigue in Mayo and Tyrone. Makes Monaghan win even more impressive.
It's a silly advantage for the 4 group winners. All teams need a 2 week break.
I disagree, if you want the break win your group. All the people complaining that the groups are pointless, look at what 3 group winners did and Armagh unlucky not to join them in semis
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Upbeat and philosophical from McStay.
And why not?
He knows how to play the game. He has worked in media for years.
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Quote from: Schkite on July 02, 2023, 05:37:44 PM
Kerry and Dublin have shown this weekend to be a real level above the rest. Derry/Monaghan are going to need to do something extraordinary to prevent a Kerry v Dublin AI final
You're probably right but we should also say that both Mayo and Tyrone were really poor this weekend
3/4 teams who played last weekend were put out. 3 weeks in a row took its toll. Definitely looked like a bit of fatigue in Mayo and Tyrone. Makes Monaghan win even more impressive.
It's a silly advantage for the 4 group winners. All teams need a 2 week break.
I disagree, if you want the break win your group. All the people complaining that the groups are pointless, look at what 3 group winners did and Armagh unlucky not to join them in semis
Absolutely. People moaning about meaningless games during the group phase, but turns out they weren't meaningless (as many on here were pointing out the importance of finishing top).
You'd wonder how things would have turned out had Mayo not dropped the ball v Cork
For such a media hyped rivalry you'd think Mayo might actually win a match against Dublin and not once a decade!
But then again they need something to sell the game, the actual spectacle is so negative and boring on the pitch. And when the medals are handed out it's business as usual Dublin and Kerry.
It's Sunday so I'll do the Christian thing....
Hard luck Mayowestros!
I also thought Mayo's subs and changes were strange, O'Shea was winning lots of ball and he was benched when they needed a ball winner. There was at least 8 others that could have been subbed before him, most of their team was anonymous or poor. Even though O'Hora was getting done by Basquel at least he could make positive runs forward and energy. Others offered nothing. Many Mayo players you'd barely know they played their names weren't mentioned at all.
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Kerry and Dublin have shown this weekend to be a real level above the rest. Derry/Monaghan are going to need to do something extraordinary to prevent a Kerry v Dublin AI final
You're probably right but we should also say that both Mayo and Tyrone were really poor this weekend
3/4 teams who played last weekend were put out. 3 weeks in a row took its toll. Definitely looked like a bit of fatigue in Mayo and Tyrone. Makes Monaghan win even more impressive.
It's a silly advantage for the 4 group winners. All teams need a 2 week break.
3 qualifiers means the qfs are biased towards group winners.
Quote from: full moon on July 02, 2023, 06:02:35 PM
I also thought Mayo's subs and changes were strange, O'Shea was winning lots of ball and he was benched when they needed a ball winner. There was at least 8 others that could have been subbed before him, most of their team was anonymous or poor. Even though O'Hora was getting done by Basquel at least he could make positive runs forward and energy. Others offered nothing. Many Mayo players you'd barely know they played their names weren't mentioned at all.
Agreed. Mayo didn't have the physical strength to win clean ball at midfield or break lines, and had no target man to change things up. Even a tired AOS would have been a better option for those roles than anyone who came on.
I think it's clear now that Mayo are a team in decline. Dubs rolled back the years but I still see Kerry as well ahead of them.
Quote from: Itchy on July 02, 2023, 06:13:26 PM
I think it's clear now that Mayo are a team in decline. Dubs rolled back the years but I still see Kerry as well ahead of them.
Ah jez, decline? In decline from what? Where were this group to decline from?
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I also thought Mayo's subs and changes were strange, O'Shea was winning lots of ball and he was benched when they needed a ball winner. There was at least 8 others that could have been subbed before him, most of their team was anonymous or poor. Even though O'Hora was getting done by Basquel at least he could make positive runs forward and energy. Others offered nothing. Many Mayo players you'd barely know they played their names weren't mentioned at all.
Agreed. Mayo didn't have the physical strength to win clean ball at midfield or break lines, and had no target man to change things up. Even a tired AOS would have been a better option for those roles than anyone who came on.
they were the disappointment of the weekend. I honestly thought they had more about them than that. Might be time to move from OSe. They've never worked out how to use him and at this stage are unlikely to ever do so
Quote from: seafoid on July 02, 2023, 05:28:14 PM
This year was a rebuilding year for Mayo . A League win and a qf aren't too shabby. They also learnt how to time wins in the round robins.
The Mayo rebuilding was done under Horan in his last few years. McStay and his well stocked management knew this when they took on the job. The real mess up for Mayo was in the group stage when they should have topped the group after beating Kerry away. Only beating Louth by 1 point and losing to Cork. It was scoring difference that allowed Cork finish 2nd.
A semi final was probably as far as Mayo would have got though. No defender/warriors likes Keegan,Boyle,Higgins,Barrett anymore. Midfield light on options now compare to loads of options 2013 to 2017 and while Tommy Conroy,Ryan O'Donoghue are decent forwards they are no Cillian O'Connor and Andy Moran at their peak.
As for Dublin they brought McCaffrey,Cluxton,Mannion back to win another AI and today like Kerry yesterday laid down a marker.
mayo don't have the personnel. their midfield wiped again in croke park.
The Dubs' 2nd half performance was immense I thought -- a clear marker to any of the other pretenders to the AI throne.
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Quote from: seafoid on July 02, 2023, 05:28:14 PM
This year was a rebuilding year for Mayo . A League win and a qf aren't too shabby. They also learnt how to time wins in the round robins.
The Mayo rebuilding was done under Horan in his last few years. McStay and his well stocked management knew this when they took on the job. The real mess up for Mayo was in the group stage when they should have topped the group after beating Kerry away. Only beating Louth by 1 point and losing to Cork. It was scoring difference that allowed Cork finish 2nd.
A semi final was probably as far as Mayo would have got though. No defender/warriors likes Keegan,Boyle,Higgins,Barrett anymore. Midfield light on options now compare to loads of options 2013 to 2017 and while Tommy Conroy,Ryan O'Donoghue are decent forwards they are no Cillian O'Connor and Andy Moran at their peak.
As for Dublin they brought McCaffrey,Cluxton,Mannion back to win another AI and today like Kerry yesterday laid down a marker.
The damage was done in the Cork game alright. Three games on a row caught up with us. Even so a semi-final was going to be our ceiling.
I think there are 2 things
1. The PQF doesn't work in the ultra compressed system. Expecting amateurs to play 2 games in a row and turn up for a quarter final on the third weekend fresh as a a daisy is stupid.
There has to be some give on this. Either drop the PQF or give more time to run it.
2. Mayo are in a similar position to Tyrone. Mayo were in 5 out of 6 semi finals during the Dub 6 in a row. It's going to take time for a new team capable of getting back to the top to emerge.
Need to keep Lee Keegan away from any microphones or cameras pls. He is the worst of the lot on analysis and commentary.
Well done to Dublin. They have came though all their obstacles again. I do hope they regain their crown. I'd love to see a James McCarthy get AI number 9. He's a super pro. They have got a kind semi-final draw and will well outnumber the Monaghan contingent in their next home game.
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I think it's clear now that Mayo are a team in decline. Dubs rolled back the years but I still see Kerry as well ahead of them.
Ah jez, decline? In decline from what? Where were this group to decline from?
In decline from a top 4 team, in decline from a team that was within a kick of the ball of winning sam.
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Well done to Dublin. They have came though all their obstacles again. I do hope they regain their crown. I'd love to see a James McCarthy get AI number 9. He's a super pro. They have got a kind semi-final draw and will well outnumber the Monaghan contingent in their next home game.
You'd get the entire population of Monaghan in CP and not have to open the Hill
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 02, 2023, 08:06:06 PM
Well done to Dublin. They have came though all their obstacles again. I do hope they regain their crown. I'd love to see a James McCarthy get AI number 9. He's a super pro. They have got a kind semi-final draw and will well outnumber the Monaghan contingent in their next home game.
I think they are ready for high babies.
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I think it's clear now that Mayo are a team in decline. Dubs rolled back the years but I still see Kerry as well ahead of them.
Ah jez, decline? In decline from what? Where were this group to decline from?
In decline from a top 4 team, in decline from a team that was within a kick of the ball of winning sam.
This group were never a top 4 team or within a kick of winning Sam.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 02, 2023, 08:06:06 PM
Well done to Dublin. They have came though all their obstacles again. I do hope they regain their crown. I'd love to see a James McCarthy get AI number 9. He's a super pro. They have got a kind semi-final draw and will well outnumber the Monaghan contingent in their next home game.
Obstacles.
;D
I'd give the Mayo supporters massive credit for always turning up in big numbers. The GAA HQ will not want them to fall further away, most other counties support come in nowhere close to same numbers even without winning an Ireland.
The team itself though, we were hearing all year about Mayos depth but there was none today. I also thought they have up so quickly without any fight in them.
Dublin were good but the said thing is that is not close to the Dublin of old and they still waltz into their 14th All Ireland in a row.
It's great that ''The Curse'' can no longer be used as a plausible excuse for results like today. Small mercies.
Quote from: full moon on July 02, 2023, 09:35:37 PM
I'd give the Mayo supporters massive credit for always turning up in big numbers. The GAA HQ will not want them to fall further away, most other counties support come in nowhere close to same numbers even without winning an Ireland.
The team itself though, we were hearing all year about Mayos depth but there was none today. I also thought they have up so quickly without any fight in them.
Dublin were good but the said thing is that is not close to the Dublin of old and they still waltz into their 14th All Ireland in a row.
Realistically the talent that Mayo had in those teams that pushed Dublin will take a bit of time to replace. People say they are on the decline but I think they are on the way up. They dropped off last few years. They just will take a while to challenge the best teams again.
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Quote from: seafoid on July 02, 2023, 05:28:14 PM
This year was a rebuilding year for Mayo . A League win and a qf aren't too shabby. They also learnt how to time wins in the round robins.
The Mayo rebuilding was done under Horan in his last few years. McStay and his well stocked management knew this when they took on the job. The real mess up for Mayo was in the group stage when they should have topped the group after beating Kerry away. Only beating Louth by 1 point and losing to Cork. It was scoring difference that allowed Cork finish 2nd.
A semi final was probably as far as Mayo would have got though. No defender/warriors likes Keegan,Boyle,Higgins,Barrett anymore. Midfield light on options now compare to loads of options 2013 to 2017 and while Tommy Conroy,Ryan O'Donoghue are decent forwards they are no Cillian O'Connor and Andy Moran at their peak.
As for Dublin they brought McCaffrey,Cluxton,Mannion back to win another AI and today like Kerry yesterday laid down a marker.
The damage was done in the Cork game alright. Three games on a row caught up with us. Even so a semi-final was going to be our ceiling.
Exactly.
Three away games on the trot in treee weeks , no team could survive that
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I think it's clear now that Mayo are a team in decline. Dubs rolled back the years but I still see Kerry as well ahead of them.
Ah jez, decline? In decline from what? Where were this group to decline from?
In decline from a top 4 team, in decline from a team that was within a kick of the ball of winning sam.
This group were never a top 4 team or within a kick of winning Sam.
I know you're probably a bit cranky but I never mentioned "this group", I was referring to Mayo the football team being in decline ie slipping away from the heights they were once at.
As predicted, too many games in a short space of time caught up with us.
This will sound like sour grapes but to expect this amount of games from amateur players is too much.
Could we not have an extra week so the QF matches would be a more level playing field. The team that goes straight through gets 3 weeks and the others 2 weeks. It'd just mean pushing the final out by a week.
Mayo have gone backwards anyone who says differently isn't watching our match's in full. We have forwards that don't show for the ball that are no use one on one. Nearly all our scores come from runners or overlaps. We are lacking a ball winning inside forward akin to Andy Moran.
Our midfield is non existent and what's worse when the chips are down they go into hiding. I'd have Hession in midfield, we need to find another.
Our defence is getting or will get a slating but when your overran at midfield it's good night Irene.
QuoteExactly.
Three away games on the trot in treee weeks , no team could survive that
Correct, even Monaghan only managed a draw, so no team won.
p.s., well done to Dublin great to see yer die hards back today blasting out Molly Malone and donning the "city that fought an empire" jerseys, the jacks are back.
Quote from: highorlow on July 02, 2023, 10:28:47 PM
As predicted, too many games in a short space of time caught up with us.
This will sound like sour grapes but to expect this amount of games from amateur players is too much.
Could we not have an extra week so the QF matches would be a more level playing field. The team that goes straight through gets 3 weeks and the others 2 weeks. It'd just mean pushing the final out by a week.
Mayo have gone backwards anyone who says differently isn't watching our match's in full. We have forwards that don't show for the ball that are no use one on one. Nearly all our scores come from runners or overlaps. We are lacking a ball winning inside forward akin to Andy Moran.
Our midfield is non existent and what's worse when the chips are down they go into hiding. I'd have Hession in midfield, we need to find another.
Our defence is getting or will get a slating but when your overran at midfield it's good night Irene.
Yeah I'd agree. There needs to be 3 weeks between the QF and semi, and between the semi and final. This will allow for a replay in QF and semis. To expect Armagh and Monaghan players to go for 100 minutes, then penalties was too much. A replay would have been appropriate
A fortnight between the Hurling and football finals too. Neither get the proper build up they deserve
Quote from: highorlow on July 02, 2023, 10:30:37 PM
QuoteExactly.
Three away games on the trot in treee weeks , no team could survive that
Correct, even Monaghan only managed a draw, so no team won.
Only managed a draw, extra time, a black card and a penalty shoot out. Only!!
Yes we were the only team to manage the only.
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I think it's clear now that Mayo are a team in decline. Dubs rolled back the years but I still see Kerry as well ahead of them.
Ah jez, decline? In decline from what? Where were this group to decline from?
In decline from a top 4 team, in decline from a team that was within a kick of the ball of winning sam.
This group were never a top 4 team or within a kick of winning Sam.
I know you're probably a bit cranky but I never mentioned "this group", I was referring to Mayo the football team being in decline ie slipping away from the heights they were once at.
Not cranky at all, You mentioned the word ''Team''. So I presumed you were talking about this group. Mayo are not in decline, you can't win a League title without something about you. You can't beat Kerry in Killarney without something about you. You Can't beat Galway in Salthill without something about you. Our consistency has been our problem. Following good results with god damn awful ones.
Todays performance was all about Mayo losing to Cork two weeks ago. Once that happened we were chasing our tails. A energy sapping match v Galway followed by a game 7 days later to a rested Dublin was always going to be a big ask.
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Quote from: highorlow on July 02, 2023, 10:28:47 PM
As predicted, too many games in a short space of time caught up with us.
This will sound like sour grapes but to expect this amount of games from amateur players is too much.
Could we not have an extra week so the QF matches would be a more level playing field. The team that goes straight through gets 3 weeks and the others 2 weeks. It'd just mean pushing the final out by a week.
Mayo have gone backwards anyone who says differently isn't watching our match's in full. We have forwards that don't show for the ball that are no use one on one. Nearly all our scores come from runners or overlaps. We are lacking a ball winning inside forward akin to Andy Moran.
Our midfield is non existent and what's worse when the chips are down they go into hiding. I'd have Hession in midfield, we need to find another.
Our defence is getting or will get a slating but when your overran at midfield it's good night Irene.
Yeah I'd agree. There needs to be 3 weeks between the QF and semi, and between the semi and final. This will allow for a replay in QF and semis. To expect Armagh and Monaghan players to go for 100 minutes, then penalties was too much. A replay would have been appropriate
A fortnight between the Hurling and football finals too. Neither get the proper build up they deserve
You'd have the AI Final in October at that rate and Co Finals on Christmas Eve
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Quote from: AustinPowers on July 02, 2023, 10:57:48 PM
Quote from: highorlow on July 02, 2023, 10:28:47 PM
As predicted, too many games in a short space of time caught up with us.
This will sound like sour grapes but to expect this amount of games from amateur players is too much.
Could we not have an extra week so the QF matches would be a more level playing field. The team that goes straight through gets 3 weeks and the others 2 weeks. It'd just mean pushing the final out by a week.
Mayo have gone backwards anyone who says differently isn't watching our match's in full. We have forwards that don't show for the ball that are no use one on one. Nearly all our scores come from runners or overlaps. We are lacking a ball winning inside forward akin to Andy Moran.
Our midfield is non existent and what's worse when the chips are down they go into hiding. I'd have Hession in midfield, we need to find another.
Our defence is getting or will get a slating but when your overran at midfield it's good night Irene.
Yeah I'd agree. There needs to be 3 weeks between the QF and semi, and between the semi and final. This will allow for a replay in QF and semis. To expect Armagh and Monaghan players to go for 100 minutes, then penalties was too much. A replay would have been appropriate
A fortnight between the Hurling and football finals too. Neither get the proper build up they deserve
You'd have the AI Final in October at that rate and Co Finals on Christmas Eve
The AI final is 6 or 7 weeks earlier now , but the club county finals still aren't played any earlier
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Quote from: highorlow on July 02, 2023, 10:28:47 PM
As predicted, too many games in a short space of time caught up with us.
This will sound like sour grapes but to expect this amount of games from amateur players is too much.
Could we not have an extra week so the QF matches would be a more level playing field. The team that goes straight through gets 3 weeks and the others 2 weeks. It'd just mean pushing the final out by a week.
Mayo have gone backwards anyone who says differently isn't watching our match's in full. We have forwards that don't show for the ball that are no use one on one. Nearly all our scores come from runners or overlaps. We are lacking a ball winning inside forward akin to Andy Moran.
Our midfield is non existent and what's worse when the chips are down they go into hiding. I'd have Hession in midfield, we need to find another.
Our defence is getting or will get a slating but when your overran at midfield it's good night Irene.
Yeah I'd agree. There needs to be 3 weeks between the QF and semi, and between the semi and final. This will allow for a replay in QF and semis. To expect Armagh and Monaghan players to go for 100 minutes, then penalties was too much. A replay would have been appropriate
A fortnight between the Hurling and football finals too. Neither get the proper build up they deserve
Why just 3 weeks? I mean it's clearly obvious that nobody is capable of performing in football unless they get a long rest. Let's put a full year between every match.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 02, 2023, 11:54:12 PM
Why just 3 weeks? I mean it's clearly obvious that nobody is capable of performing in football unless they get a long rest. Let's put a full year between every match.
Counties like Leitrim and Waterford have fond memories of having a year between each championship match.
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Quote from: highorlow on July 02, 2023, 10:28:47 PM
As predicted, too many games in a short space of time caught up with us.
This will sound like sour grapes but to expect this amount of games from amateur players is too much.
Could we not have an extra week so the QF matches would be a more level playing field. The team that goes straight through gets 3 weeks and the others 2 weeks. It'd just mean pushing the final out by a week.
Mayo have gone backwards anyone who says differently isn't watching our match's in full. We have forwards that don't show for the ball that are no use one on one. Nearly all our scores come from runners or overlaps. We are lacking a ball winning inside forward akin to Andy Moran.
Our midfield is non existent and what's worse when the chips are down they go into hiding. I'd have Hession in midfield, we need to find another.
Our defence is getting or will get a slating but when your overran at midfield it's good night Irene.
Yeah I'd agree. There needs to be 3 weeks between the QF and semi, and between the semi and final. This will allow for a replay in QF and semis. To expect Armagh and Monaghan players to go for 100 minutes, then penalties was too much. A replay would have been appropriate
A fortnight between the Hurling and football finals too. Neither get the proper build up they deserve
Why just 3 weeks? I mean it's clearly obvious that nobody is capable of performing in football unless they get a long rest. Let's put a full year between every match.
Good idea ;)
Bollocks lads the bottom line is the carrot has been there from the start that you win the group and get your rest. Mayo had it in their hands and they couldn't do it so faced the disadvantage today.
They were bad and then conceded that needless goal which took the game away from them:
Not sure where Mayo go from here!
It's nonsense (and sour grapes) to say it's unfair on Mayo they had to play 3 games in 3 weeks.
Everyone knew from the start of the championship it was important to win the group to get the advantage of the week's rest. Everyone had equal opportunity of winning their group.
But all these teams are capable of playing once a week, no problem, the issue would be managing injuries. It was the third quarter where Dublin took over, particularly around midfield, where Fenton and McCarthy completely got on top of Ruane (who also had a week off) and O'Connor (one of the fittest around).
But even then, Mayo missed the open goal that would have brought it back to 4 points with 20 minutes to go. After being pretty much obliterated for 15 minutes, to be only 4 points down would have been a huge impact on all players and fans. Anything could have happened after that. I was well aware during the game that Mayo have come back from similar before
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Quote from: highorlow on July 02, 2023, 10:28:47 PM
As predicted, too many games in a short space of time caught up with us.
This will sound like sour grapes but to expect this amount of games from amateur players is too much.
Could we not have an extra week so the QF matches would be a more level playing field. The team that goes straight through gets 3 weeks and the others 2 weeks. It'd just mean pushing the final out by a week.
Mayo have gone backwards anyone who says differently isn't watching our match's in full. We have forwards that don't show for the ball that are no use one on one. Nearly all our scores come from runners or overlaps. We are lacking a ball winning inside forward akin to Andy Moran.
Our midfield is non existent and what's worse when the chips are down they go into hiding. I'd have Hession in midfield, we need to find another.
Our defence is getting or will get a slating but when your overran at midfield it's good night Irene.
Yeah I'd agree. There needs to be 3 weeks between the QF and semi, and between the semi and final. This will allow for a replay in QF and semis. To expect Armagh and Monaghan players to go for 100 minutes, then penalties was too much. A replay would have been appropriate
A fortnight between the Hurling and football finals too. Neither get the proper build up they deserve
You'd have the AI Final in October at that rate and Co Finals on Christmas Eve
The AI final is 6 or 7 weeks earlier now , but the club county finals still aren't played any earlier
There would be enough time if the provincials were separated from the championships and county competitions were standardised.
https://youtu.be/1fajvqa50Jc
It was a new format and many of us thought that you had no chance of winning an All Ireland unless you topped the group or got a bit of a luck with the draw, it transpires that is true. I've seen Ray Boyne's stats at full time, suspect it was a lot more even at half time. Dublin though were very impressive especially in that opening 7 minutes of the 2nd half; Eoghan McLaughlin though has not improved his footballing skills since he came on the scene, might even have gone backwards and he's got to score that.
Dublin and Kerry can sleepwalk their way through their province whilst nobody else has that luxury, look its not their fault but we really need a stronger Cork, Kildare & Meath.
Quote from: Hound on July 03, 2023, 08:19:23 AM
It's nonsense (and sour grapes) to say it's unfair on Mayo they had to play 3 games in 3 weeks.
Everyone knew from the start of the championship it was important to win the group to get the advantage of the week's rest. Everyone had equal opportunity of winning their group.
But all these teams are capable of playing once a week, no problem, the issue would be managing injuries. It was the third quarter where Dublin took over, particularly around midfield, where Fenton and McCarthy completely got on top of Ruane (who also had a week off) and O'Connor (one of the fittest around).
But even then, Mayo missed the open goal that would have brought it back to 4 points with 20 minutes to go. After being pretty much obliterated for 15 minutes, to be only 4 points down would have been a huge impact on all players and fans. Anything could have happened after that. I was well aware during the game that Mayo have come back from similar before
Certainly not nonsense, dress it up any way you want to, three away matches in three weeks is too much.
Now ,saying Ruane had a week off is nonsense !!!! 26 Dublin players had two weeks off and didn't have to leave their own back yard .
Dublin must love playing against McStay managed teams..
4-24, 2-32, 2-26, 2-17.....
QuoteIt's nonsense (and sour grapes) to say it's unfair on Mayo they had to play 3 games in 3 weeks.
QuoteEveryone knew from the start of the championship it was important to win the group to get the advantage of the week's rest. Everyone had equal opportunity of winning their group.
Hound read it as you wish. A Monaghan lad on here went daft with me on another Fact I stated as well. You will see in the build up to this match on here that I didn't hold up much hope as I sensed the back to back to back to back games would get us. Larryin89 also stated the same. I still think it's unfair on amateurs who put in a massive dedication to our sports to have a pile up of games when there is no real need.
If Galway were on the field yesterday in place of us it'd have been a demolition job as well.
Anyhow, best of luck to Dublin and I hope it's either yourselves or Monaghan that do it this year.
Dubs did it for Christy Dignam
Hoor was never off The Hill.
O'Shea being substituted was the wrong call in my view. He was one of Mayo's better players, won lots of ball. He's an easy scapegoat, lots of others offered nothing.
Don't think Mayo need to be told they wasted their big chance to top their group once they beat Kerry away in round 1. That's not the point of the argument though, most supporters especially neutrals watching wants to see competitive All Ireland Quarter finals the likelihood of that ever happening when one Quarter finalists is playing their 3rd match in 14 days and the other is rested for a week was slim.
GAA have already looked at getting rid of pre-season comps and league finals. I would expect common sense to prevail for next year with a two week gap between the Prem Quarter final and the AI Quarter final.
Quote from: screenexile on July 03, 2023, 01:06:01 AM
Bollocks lads the bottom line is the carrot has been there from the start that you win the group and get your rest. Mayo had it in their hands and they couldn't do it so faced the disadvantage today.
They were bad and then conceded that needless goal which took the game away from them:
Not sure where Mayo go from here!
If you have to win your group and 3 out of 4 provincial winners did, that is no better than the 1990s knockout
version when the provincial winners were the semifinalists.
Did the Mayo players stay in Dublin the (Saturday) night before
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 03, 2023, 03:09:44 PM
Don't think Mayo need to be told they wasted their big chance to top their group once they beat Kerry away in round 1. That's not the point of the argument though, most supporters especially neutrals watching wants to see competitive All Ireland Quarter finals the likelihood of that ever happening when one Quarter finalists is playing their 3rd match in 14 days and the other is rested for a week was slim.
GAA have already looked at getting rid of pre-season comps and league finals. I would expect common sense to prevail for next year with a two week gap between the Prem Quarter final and the AI Quarter final.
Or maybe the best teams topped each group and went on to win their QFs as they were the better teams. That happened in 3/4 of the games anyway. I don't buy the break stuff, others were talking up the momentum they had. Tyrone and Mayo were thoroughly outclassed by far superior opposition.
When will people and media that Dublin are on a different planet to most teams and the only team that can even compete with them are Kerry and thats because of Clifford. You only have to look at the Dublin bench yesterday, Kilkenny, McCaffrey, Rock, Small. Even a guy like Craig Dias one of the best club players in the country in recent years, is lucky to make their bench at times and doesn't get a kick. They have the population, funding, coaching and clubs that means they will be at the top for a long long time. 14 semi finals in a row.
QuoteDid the Mayo players stay in Dublin the (Saturday) night before
Don't know. All the players (from all the counties still in the competition) the last few weeks must've got time off from their employers? Does it work that way ?
Quote from: full moon on July 03, 2023, 04:47:48 PM
Or maybe the best teams topped each group and went on to win their QFs as they were the better teams. That happened in 3/4 of the games anyway. I don't buy the break stuff, others were talking up the momentum they had. Tyrone and Mayo were thoroughly outclassed by far superior opposition.
When will people and media that Dublin are on a different planet to most teams and the only team that can even compete with them are Kerry and thats because of Clifford. You only have to look at the Dublin bench yesterday, Kilkenny, McCaffrey, Rock, Small. Even a guy like Craig Dias one of the best club players in the country in recent years, is lucky to make their bench at times and doesn't get a kick. They have the population, funding, coaching and clubs that means they will be at the top for a long long time. 14 semi finals in a row.
Both Dublin and Kerry easily could have finished 2nd in their groups. Had Roscommon won in round 1 instead of drawing with Dublin (had a free with the last play of the game to win) and had Mayo held onto their lead and won against Cork.
Best teams will win the All Ireland quarter finals but that's not the point made here. Few people want to see in the last 8 of any competition having mis-matches as we seen the 2nd half of the Kerry and Dublin games and the 3 matches in 14 days for Tyrone and Mayo most certainly played a part in that.
Quote from: full moon on July 03, 2023, 02:49:26 PM
O'Shea being substituted was the wrong call in my view. He was one of Mayo's better players, won lots of ball. He's an easy scapegoat, lots of others offered nothing.
agree. couldn't understand that decision.
your punishment for not winning group was having to play an extra game should have won your group if you wanted a rest.
Quote from: WhoDat on July 03, 2023, 06:07:50 PM
Quote from: full moon on July 03, 2023, 02:49:26 PM
O'Shea being substituted was the wrong call in my view. He was one of Mayo's better players, won lots of ball. He's an easy scapegoat, lots of others offered nothing.
agree. couldn't understand that decision.
Given his age and weight he probably hadn't more than 50 minutes in him yesterday? all players are monitored with trackers nowadays and could well have been beeping for Aidan O'Shea given the amount of work he put in first half.
Quoteyour punishment
My point exactly, it's punishment on amateur players. I know the god dam rule and knew it weeks ago and most folk here predicted the outcomes of the QFs for that reason. Doesn't mean it's right though.
Quote from: highorlow on July 03, 2023, 06:53:30 PM
Quoteyour punishment
My point exactly, it's punishment on amateur players. I know the god dam rule and knew it weeks ago and most folk here predicted the outcomes of the QFs for that reason. Doesn't mean it's right though.
Frontloading the provincials and having 3 weekends on the trot will have to be looked at again.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/07/03/mayo-people-will-put-up-with-a-lot-but-they-wont-accept-meek-surrender/
Mayo people will put up with a lot but they won't accept meek surrender
The Weekend That Was: Kevin McStay was probably correct that it hadn't been a bad season, but the assertion was a little tin-eared given the ritual slaughter that had just taken place
Malachy Clerkin
Mon Jul 3 2023 - 15:46
This is a bad one for Mayo. Kevin McStay has enough experience of his people's sugar-rush highs and thumping-headache lows over the years to know that there's going to be a limited market for his brand of equanimity over the coming weeks. A season that looked to hold real promise at different stages ultimately collapsed like a bad soufflé. Mayo supporters are going to need more from their manager than calmly pointing out it's not been a bad season overall.
Every county has its own idea of an acceptable way to go out of the championship. Only one team can win Sam Maguire every year and so everyone else has to somehow be able to make their peace with it not being them. Going down to your worst defeat to Dublin since 2006 is not it. Not for most counties with aspirations and definitely not for Mayo.
Can Mayo feasibly claim theirs has more? McStay has never been the sugar-coating type, whether as a player, a pundit or a manager. And when he came into the Croke Park press room yesterday, he wasn't spinning like a party hack on the night of a bad election. He was straight up about Mayo's shortcomings. He particularly didn't put a tooth in it when it came to their kick-outs.
"We are not good enough at it yet," McStay said. "We are not up with the top teams in terms of our kick-out yet. But we will be, I have no doubt we will. We have great lads around it that will think it through and figure it out. And we'll get more experience. That's my own view and we'll be better for this.
"It's our first year together as a group and we are just finding each other out and figuring each other out. I've learned a lot about the boys and I'm sure they've tried to figure us out a bit as well. But overall I'm not broken or anything over this defeat. I'm disappointed for the big Mayo crowd that came up as they always do. But we'll take a break now to try and figure out where we have to go to next to get to another level."
Reasonable. Measured. McStay to the bone. Never too up, never too down. Even the bit that came next, from which the "McStay says it hasn't been a bad season" headlines came, deserves its full outing, for context.
"In mitigation I'm going to say our players gave us a great spin this year," McStay said. "We had four [rookies] – essentially, although they were panellists for a year or two they were rookies up around here and they will take an awful lot from this experience. And we had a decent spring.
"I have to look at this in the round and see where we are going. It's not what we wanted and championship is championship, I totally understand that. But in terms of building out what we wanted, it wasn't a bad year. It didn't end the way we wanted because we thought there was another round or two we might get to. But the Dubs fairly closed that door today."
All of which is grand and fine and perfectly true. But it was probably a little tin-eared too, given the ritual slaughter that had just gone on out on the pitch. Maybe it wasn't such a bad year in the round – a league title, beating Kerry in Killarney and Galway in Salthill, bedding in a few new players here and there.
On the flipside, Matthew Ruane has gone backwards, Aidan O'Shea's form dropped off as the year progressed, Padraig O'Hora got a few chasings. No team is perfect and McStay's contention that they have plenty to build on is obviously correct.
But none of it obscures the truth that hits them right between the eyes today. Their year ended with the meekest surrender of any Mayo team in well over a decade. Mayo people will put up with plenty before they find that kind of thing acceptable or forgivable. There's no good way to go out of the championship but of all the bad ways, this was by far the worst.
A fact about which McStay will no doubt be reminded quite a few times between now and next year.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 02, 2023, 09:51:10 PM
It's great that ''The Curse'' can no longer be used as a plausible excuse for results like today. Small mercies.
The bus driver might still be alive.
This game was basically won and lost in the 5 minutes after half time. It was a tough lesson for some of our lads to take but in reality, simple mistakes are ruthlessly punished at this level and they just cannot happen. It's pointless looking at anything that happened after the 2nd Dublin goal as the game was done at that stage.
Considering we finished the championship at the same stage, in similar circumstances last year, I suppose the year could be summed up as a sort of 'par for the course'. The win in Salthill saved management from it being a very bad year. When you look at the league performances of Dublin and Kerry, it's clear that the league counted for very little in the grander scheme of things so I don't think too much credit can be given towards the division 1 title.
While there was progress in some areas, there's a couple of things that need to be highlighted.
Game Management-Our first competitive match of the year was against Galway in the FBD. Early in the 2nd half we led by 11 points, only to allow Galway score 3 goals before eventually scraping over the line. You might write this off as 'just the fbd' but the problem came up again and again and again throughout the season. The problem was never fully resolved and we paid a heavy price against Cork, the early warning signs were there. Contrast this with the Dubs yesterday, once they scored the 2nd goal they parked the bus and there was no way they were letting Mayo back into it.
Team selection- At the start of the year they selected a player in a key defensive position who just didn't have the physicality for it, the penny finally dropped 2 weeks ago. They stuck with another player in the half forward line for the entire league and 1st round of the Connacht Championship when it was clear to most that his skillset is not yet at the required level. Finally, they went with a 33 year old midfielder in the full forward line. While he played well at stages during the year, it ended in Croke Park the way it always has anytime it's been tried. He's just not a top level inter-county forward and that gets exposed on the biggest stage. I'm not trying to have a go at lads here and I appreciate the effort they put in but if we're to be serious contenders, you have be ruthless when it comes to selection. These 3 selection issues were clear to some of us at the start of the year and unfortunately we were proven right. The 5 lads in the management team are all serious coaches, it baffles me that they couldn't spot these things earlier.
Finally, whatever slim chance we had of landing the big one ended in the Gaelic grounds 2 weeks ago. As others have pointed out here, the eventual champions were always going to come from the 4 group winners.... for numerous reasons. Management clearly underappreciated the importance of that game v Cork. I actually couldn't believe it the night before the game when I heard Cillian was playing for Tubber in a club match. Aidan O Shea also admitting in an interview that he had no idea of the significance of his last minute free further highlights the lax approach taken by management to what was, essentially a do or die match.
Rant over, here's hoping for an improved 2024.
Yip, u been playing Tyrone / Derry in games to get to a final.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 03, 2023, 11:46:52 PM
Yip, u been playing Tyrone / Derry in games to get to a final.
Derry would love to be playing Maigh Eo in semi-final!!
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 03, 2023, 07:36:27 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 02, 2023, 09:51:10 PM
It's great that ''The Curse'' can no longer be used as a plausible excuse for results like today. Small mercies.
The bus driver might still be alive.
They were on the back of a trailer, doubt it was being towed by a bus! ;D
Quote from: restorepride on July 03, 2023, 11:50:01 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 03, 2023, 11:46:52 PM
Yip, u been playing Tyrone / Derry in games to get to a final.
Derry would love to be playing Maigh Eo in semi-final!!
As Seafoid would say -
Derry would be like Kryptonite to this Mayo team.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/07/04/jim-mcguinness-mayo-are-where-dublin-were-in-2014-and-its-time-to-face-the-hard-facts/
Jim McGuinness: Mayo are where Dublin were in 2014 and it's time to face the hard facts
Mayo's tactical approach has to change if they are to have any chance of All-Ireland glory
Jim McGuinness
Tue Jul 4 2023 - 05:00
There is nothing like a defeat to sharpen the mind.
Dublin found themselves at a crossroads last year following their All-Ireland semi-final loss to Kerry.
It left them with plenty to ponder during the off-season. It was a big moment for Dessie Farrell and his team because for me it seemed the choice was, 'Do we want to allow this young vibrant Kerry team to become a runaway train or do we in fact double down and fight to regain our rightful place at the top table?'
Sunday's win over Mayo felt like the coming together of the manager's vision, which had been cultivated in those weeks after losing in 2022.
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Last winter, Farrell didn't opt to go with youth but rather he focused on those who had previously brought great success to the county. He retained the talent already in the squad and had conversations with the likes of Stephen Cluxton, Jack McCaffrey and Paul Mannion. He brought in Pat Gilroy, too.
The last piece of the jigsaw was to see if players like Cormac Costello, Seán Bugler, Colm Basquel and Eoin Murchan could step up another level. All in all, Farrell got significant business done over the winter and Sunday's victory felt like a product of that work.
The language and imagery ahead of Sunday's quarter-final between Dublin and Mayo was more akin to a boxing match than a football match – two heavyweights primed for battle again.
In an ESPN article about the trilogy between Ali and Frazier, Mike Sielsky wrote: "In the ring, Joe Frazier was a bull who didn't need a red cape. Provocation or prodding wasn't necessary for him to come charging after the man in front of him, his head down, his fists acting as sharp horns and inflicting similar damage.
"It was that relentlessness – the near-total abandonment of duck-and-cover, the philosophy that one must absorb punishment before one can properly distribute it – that defined Frazier's boxing career and has defined his life."
That quote kind of sums up the rivalry between Mayo and Dublin. Frazier's approach to Ali in their three fights could easily be used to mirror Mayo-Dublin battles over the last decade. And it's a narrative both teams are happy to go along with, I feel.
Very often you'll hear the Dubs saying, 'We know what's coming with Mayo, it's going to be a battle, they never give up, it always goes down to the wire.'
Dublin's Cormac Costello sets up Colm Basquel to score a goal during the All-Ireland quarter-final against Mayo. Photograph: John McVitty/Inpho
And at half-time on Sunday that narrative remained in play. Mayo, with 55 per cent possession, probably had the better of the first half. They led 0-8 to 1-3 after 25 minutes but still found themselves a point down at half-time, 1-6 to 0-8.
Why, despite the stats showing a lot of positives for Mayo, were they one adrift at the break? For me the answer is quite simple – the rules of engagement were skewed.
They were skewed largely because of Mayo's tactical approach – not that you will hear many Dubs shouting that out loudly, because Dublin don't want the cat to be let out of the bag.
You have take a step back a little to understand this. Dublin in 2013 were what Mayo are trying to be now, a swashbuckling team that loved to kick the ball and were absolutely man-to-man at the back.
But what happened in the 2014 semi-final made Dublin rethink. In Donegal, we knew from what Dublin were saying back then that they were absolutely wedded to that style of play, it was their identity and it was how they believed in playing.
And I believe Mayo are now in that same boat. The difference is Dublin adapted, in 2015 they went with a sweeper and they won the next six All-Irelands.
[ Five things we learned this GAA weekend ]
Kerry have done the same, there was a lengthy segment of analysis on television at the weekend about how well Kerry are defending – they are making defending sexy now!
Since the 2013 All-Ireland final, Dublin and Mayo have met 10 times in the championship – with Mayo winning just one of those encounters, while there were a couple of draws too. Across those series of matches Dublin scored 18 goals while Mayo scored six. Mayo have not scored a goal in any of their last three championship meetings with Dublin.
Dublin realise, because of Mayo's approach, the game is rigged in their favour. People talk about heavyweight bouts and rolling with the punches, but the fact is Dublin understand that over the course of 70 minutes against Mayo goalscoring opportunities are going to appear.
Mayo played well in the first half on Sunday but then David Byrne kicked a very simple ball inside to where two Mayo defenders and two Dublin forwards were isolated in one v one matchup scenarios. It ended with Basquel scoring a goal.
Immediately after the break, in what was a critical stage of the game, John Small gave the ball to Basquel and the Ballyboden player was able to take possession down the right flank in a one v one situation, cut inside and kick the ball over the bar. He was literally left one v one for 12 seconds, it must have felt like all his birthdays had come at once. It was a similar situation for Dublin's second goal. In these key moments, Mayo had no cover.
Dublin's Jack McCaffrey in action against Mayo in the All-Ireland quarter-final. Photograph: John McVitty/Inpho
After 2014, Dublin put a system in place to take back control. Mayo haven't won an All-Ireland since 1951 yet they are sticking to this belief system, which has repeatedly shown to only take them so far.
The irony on Sunday was that while Mayo stuck to their guns the whole way through, by the 50th minute Dublin were no longer going with a plus one, instead they were defending with 12-13 bodies behind the ball in a zonal structure. They were saying, 'We are happy with what we have and we are going to hold that.'
Mayo were sticking to their principles, sticking to their man-to-man system, meanwhile McCaffrey was scuttling through the heart of their defence. It's all very noble what they are trying to do, but the reality is they are not good enough to play that way.
The proof is in the fact they have not yet got over the line. A rivalry should be competitive in terms of results. Frazier beats Ali, Ali beats Frazier. It can't be a rivalry when it's one-sided.
Another big question I feel needs to be answered is what happened to the tactics Mayo implemented during the National League when Conor Loftus was used as a sweeper.
After the league final, you were thinking: Mayo have Aidan O'Shea as a focal point up front, Tommy Conroy and Ryan O'Donoghue playing off him, the team has a brilliant athletic profile and crucially they now also have a defensive structure that will maybe stop the chaos. Perhaps it actually could be their year.
But on Sunday evening their dreams were in tatters again. No team has been successful since 2013 with the approach Mayo continue to implement. The reality is you can't go toe to toe with the best players in the country for 70 minutes, without any cover, and expect not to concede a goal.
For more than a decade now there has been huge potential in Mayo but that potential has never been fully realised. It has been realised to the extent where they have become a high-performing team consistently competing with the top sides in the country.
But there is a difference between that and being a winning team. Dublin understood the difference in 2014. And Kerry understood it last year when they did whatever they had to do to win the All-Ireland.
The latest annual postmortem has begun in Mayo. A bit like Dessie Farrell last year, they are at a crossroads now and decisions the management make during the off-season will determine if Mayo are to continue along the same endless road again in 2024.
In other words the Rhus' large management team fkd up
https://twitter.com/Ogie_Halfhand/status/1675819836771909632?t=M5WPtB1fI5texmgncjH0vQ&s=19
That's a fairly solid article and analysis from Jim McGuinness in some respects. Mind you if one of the only teams that still kick the ball and don't handpass and pack their defence has to change systems, I'm not sure the game as a spectacle is going in the right direction.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 04, 2023, 12:55:34 AM
Quote from: restorepride on July 03, 2023, 11:50:01 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 03, 2023, 11:46:52 PM
Yip, u been playing Tyrone / Derry in games to get to a final.
Derry would love to be playing Maigh Eo in semi-final!!
As Seafoid would say - Derry would be like Kryptonite to this Mayo team.
So the trailer was driving itself, now things are starting to make sense 😂😂
Quote from: Rossfan on July 04, 2023, 10:15:54 AM
In other words the Rhus' large management team fkd up
It sounds like that is what he is saying but by the same token you could have picked 29 other counties and equally held them culpable but only one team can win the All Ireland and it doesn't mean all of the rest are no good. Jimmy is a great man for writing newspaper articles saying what should have been done in hindsight. The reality is that he has been out of the intercounty game for almost a decade but although the game has moved on since, the spectacle has never really recovered.
The single biggest difference however is still the fact that Dublin and Kerry just happen to have better footballers than the rest. Jims Donegal side stole a march when it comes to introducing evolutionary tactics into the GAA but now every other team are almost clones of each other and the advantage to be had tactically has narrowed significantly.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 04, 2023, 05:23:58 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 04, 2023, 10:15:54 AM
In other words the Rhus' large management team fkd up
It sounds like that is what he is saying but by the same token you could have picked 29 other counties and equally held them culpable but only one team can win the All Ireland and it doesn't mean all of the rest are no good. Jimmy is a great man for writing newspaper articles saying what should have been done in hindsight. The reality is that he has been out of the intercounty game for almost a decade but although the game has moved on since, the spectacle has never really recovered.
The single biggest difference however is still the fact that Dublin and Kerry just happen to have better footballers than the rest. Jims Donegal side stole a march when it comes to introducing evolutionary tactics into the GAA but now every other team are almost clones of each other and the advantage to be had tactically has narrowed significantly.
I think in this article Mayo is sui generis. Out on its own. Because they have this tendency to leave the goal exposed at key moments while refusing to "invest" in goalscorers. And this doesn't work. It didn't work in 2012 and it still doesn't work.
Very interesting article in the IT
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/an-irish-diary/2023/07/13/generation-game-frank-mcnally-on-the-pain-of-rural-migrants-whose-children-play-for-dublin/Back when I was a young fella, newly arrived in 1980s Dublin, I briefly had a girlfriend by the name of Bernie Ryan. She was from Tipperary, as Ryans tend to be. And among many other talents, she was a brilliant footballer.
Fast and skilful, she more than held her own in soccer kick-arounds with the lads. But in Gaelic, I think, she played county. Despite her diminutive size, she was fearless in the tackle. I recall visiting her sickbed once as she recovered from a broken collar bone.
Our relationship was a fleeting one. She soon traded me in for a Bruce Springsteen lookalike from Mayo, called Noel, who was also part of our circle then. He was an accountant and clearly a better prospect, because Bernie went on to marry him. But I took rejection well, apart from aiming a few sneaky kicks at him during seven-a-sides in Bushy Park.
Noel had a very exotic surname for a Mayo man: Basquel. Unusual as it was, however, his family were doing their best to propagate it. There were 14 of them, if I remember correctly, including about 10 brothers, all Mayo GAA fanatics.
I lost touch with Bernie and the Basquels a few years later. Then life happened, the way it does. Soon another generation somehow rose behind us, taking centre stage.
A few years ago, I noticed a rising new name in Dublin GAA circles: Basquel. There were two promising young brothers: Ryan (what else?) and Colm, both playing under-age for the county and threatening to break through at senior.
through at senior.
Sure enough, eventually, it came to pass. And last week, when Mayo had their hopes crushed yet again, it was one Colm Basquel, son of Noel and Bernie, who did most damage, with two goals in a Man of the Match performance.
:o Jaysus wept.
Tipperary women were always renowned for their football prowess! ;D
And Galway men for their ex-girlfriends? Sad.