Hurling 2024

[marty34]

"Hurling referees have been advised to be mindful of players ducking into tackles in an attempt to win frees. Examples of recent league games were provided to officials of decisions going in favour of those who were simulating the fouls.

Across both codes, referees have been given the following checklist to factor in when considering to send off a player for a head-high tackle: if a contact is made to opponent's head, if the opponent has no opportunity to protect himself, if contact/impact is excessive or causes injury, if the elbow/forearm/shoulder is part of the contact, if the player making contact jumps or has been two feet off the ground, if the player making contact had a realistic alternative by way of challenging opponent and to the direction and distance covered by the player who makes contact."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41375074.html

It's going like rugby that players must have a 'duty of care' to other players in the tackle.

That's a good thing in my opinion. Anything hit around the head is dangerous.

[johnnycool]

"Hurling referees have been advised to be mindful of players ducking into tackles in an attempt to win frees. Examples of recent league games were provided to officials of decisions going in favour of those who were simulating the fouls.

Across both codes, referees have been given the following checklist to factor in when considering to send off a player for a head-high tackle: if a contact is made to opponent's head, if the opponent has no opportunity to protect himself, if contact/impact is excessive or causes injury, if the elbow/forearm/shoulder is part of the contact, if the player making contact jumps or has been two feet off the ground, if the player making contact had a realistic alternative by way of challenging opponent and to the direction and distance covered by the player who makes contact."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41375074.html

It's going like rugby that players must have a 'duty of care' to other players in the tackle.

That's a good thing in my opinion. Anything hit around the head is dangerous.

You'll be looking for mitigating circumstances etc etc as well now 

[marty34]

"Hurling referees have been advised to be mindful of players ducking into tackles in an attempt to win frees. Examples of recent league games were provided to officials of decisions going in favour of those who were simulating the fouls.

Across both codes, referees have been given the following checklist to factor in when considering to send off a player for a head-high tackle: if a contact is made to opponent's head, if the opponent has no opportunity to protect himself, if contact/impact is excessive or causes injury, if the elbow/forearm/shoulder is part of the contact, if the player making contact jumps or has been two feet off the ground, if the player making contact had a realistic alternative by way of challenging opponent and to the direction and distance covered by the player who makes contact."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41375074.html

It's going like rugby that players must have a 'duty of care' to other players in the tackle.

That's a good thing in my opinion. Anything hit around the head is dangerous.

You'll be looking for mitigating circumstances etc etc as well now 

Maybe a TMO JC? 

[Milltown Row2]

"Hurling referees have been advised to be mindful of players ducking into tackles in an attempt to win frees. Examples of recent league games were provided to officials of decisions going in favour of those who were simulating the fouls.

Across both codes, referees have been given the following checklist to factor in when considering to send off a player for a head-high tackle: if a contact is made to opponent's head, if the opponent has no opportunity to protect himself, if contact/impact is excessive or causes injury, if the elbow/forearm/shoulder is part of the contact, if the player making contact jumps or has been two feet off the ground, if the player making contact had a realistic alternative by way of challenging opponent and to the direction and distance covered by the player who makes contact."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41375074.html

It's going like rugby that players must have a 'duty of care' to other players in the tackle.

That's a good thing in my opinion. Anything hit around the head is dangerous.

You'll be looking for mitigating circumstances etc etc as well now 

Been saying this for a while now, players have a duty of care, granted and currently there are pitches out there that do not lend themselves to preventing lads sliding in or slipping underfoot that may cause 'accidental' albeit fouls still, but applying common sense    should help

[johnnycool]

"Hurling referees have been advised to be mindful of players ducking into tackles in an attempt to win frees. Examples of recent league games were provided to officials of decisions going in favour of those who were simulating the fouls.

Across both codes, referees have been given the following checklist to factor in when considering to send off a player for a head-high tackle: if a contact is made to opponent's head, if the opponent has no opportunity to protect himself, if contact/impact is excessive or causes injury, if the elbow/forearm/shoulder is part of the contact, if the player making contact jumps or has been two feet off the ground, if the player making contact had a realistic alternative by way of challenging opponent and to the direction and distance covered by the player who makes contact."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41375074.html

It's going like rugby that players must have a 'duty of care' to other players in the tackle.

That's a good thing in my opinion. Anything hit around the head is dangerous.

You'll be looking for mitigating circumstances etc etc as well now 

Been saying this for a while now, players have a duty of care, granted and currently there are pitches out there that do not lend themselves to preventing lads sliding in or slipping underfoot that may cause 'accidental' albeit fouls still, but applying common sense    should help

From your experience if someone has the ball and is faced with a defender standing with their arms and hurl out, player in possession of the ball dips down and the arm/hurl of the defender is now around their neck and head, do you give them the foul or do you play on?

[Milltown Row2]

"Hurling referees have been advised to be mindful of players ducking into tackles in an attempt to win frees. Examples of recent league games were provided to officials of decisions going in favour of those who were simulating the fouls.

Across both codes, referees have been given the following checklist to factor in when considering to send off a player for a head-high tackle: if a contact is made to opponent's head, if the opponent has no opportunity to protect himself, if contact/impact is excessive or causes injury, if the elbow/forearm/shoulder is part of the contact, if the player making contact jumps or has been two feet off the ground, if the player making contact had a realistic alternative by way of challenging opponent and to the direction and distance covered by the player who makes contact."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41375074.html

It's going like rugby that players must have a 'duty of care' to other players in the tackle.

That's a good thing in my opinion. Anything hit around the head is dangerous.

You'll be looking for mitigating circumstances etc etc as well now 

Been saying this for a while now, players have a duty of care, granted and currently there are pitches out there that do not lend themselves to preventing lads sliding in or slipping underfoot that may cause 'accidental' albeit fouls still, but applying common sense    should help

From your experience if someone has the ball and is faced with a defender standing with their arms and hurl out, player in possession of the ball dips down and the arm/hurl of the defender is now around their neck and head, do you give them the foul or do you play on?

It really depends on how I feel that particular incident happens, while I'm not or should be judgmental of certain players but having been around the block as a player and ref for so many years I think I'm a good judge on intent, accident, looking for a free or basically someone being stronger and preventing someone from getting by .

Thats my call, only one whistle and I've got use my experience on it. Fine lines though

[marty34]

Shane O'Donnell and Adam Hogan great at 'winning' frees this way.  Raising their hands high in the tackle and the ref. gives them a free.

[Milltown Row2]

Shane O'Donnell and Adam Hogan great at 'winning' frees this way.  Raising their hands high in the tackle and the ref. gives them a free.

Some players, two in particular in Antrim play in a forceful forward combative way that try's to draw frees, they ain't charging but I can see how a ref may feel player is being infringed, but that's their style. Play on for me

[johnnycool]

Shane O'Donnell and Adam Hogan great at 'winning' frees this way.  Raising their hands high in the tackle and the ref. gives them a free.

And Eoin Cody, and Conor Whelan and half the Cork team and Cathal Barrett and I could go on...

If the defender isn't tackling lawfully which is the first issue being ignored by all and sundry then of course players are going to engineer fouls out if it.
Fix the first problem and then other problems like overcarrying, head high tackling, dipping in the tackle go away.

[Milltown Row2]

Shane O'Donnell and Adam Hogan great at 'winning' frees this way.  Raising their hands high in the tackle and the ref. gives them a free.

And Eoin Cody, and Conor Whelan and half the Cork team and Cathal Barrett and I could go on...

If the defender isn't tackling lawfully which is the first issue being ignored by all and sundry then of course players are going to engineer fouls out if it.
Fix the first problem and then other problems like overcarrying, head high tackling, dipping in the tackle go away.

Did a game last night, pitch conditions meant that lads would be losing their balance and slipping or sliding in and out of tackles, granted high summer (whenever that is) pitches firm up and that gives me less hassle.

Lads were looking frees for sliding in to collect the ball saying they were pushed, they initiated the slide first, play on, due to the heavy conditions players were being 'held' up more, again, no obvious free like arms being pulled shirts being pulled and so on, if he doesn't release the ball he'll over carry it.

In these incidents the cry is there all over him! There could be 15 players all over him, if there is no actual free being committed then play on.

As you say Johnny, get the first free, it depends on your interpretation of that first free lol

As frustrating as it is, sometimes there is not that obvious free so playing on is the best option

Not all tackles are frees, clear as mud

Did my first game with the new rule that if a physio comes on to the pitch and player removes his helmet he has to leave the pitch and can only come on in a break of play.. They had no idea!!

[johnnycool]

Shane O'Donnell and Adam Hogan great at 'winning' frees this way.  Raising their hands high in the tackle and the ref. gives them a free.

And Eoin Cody, and Conor Whelan and half the Cork team and Cathal Barrett and I could go on...

If the defender isn't tackling lawfully which is the first issue being ignored by all and sundry then of course players are going to engineer fouls out if it.
Fix the first problem and then other problems like overcarrying, head high tackling, dipping in the tackle go away.

Did a game last night, pitch conditions meant that lads would be losing their balance and slipping or sliding in and out of tackles, granted high summer (whenever that is) pitches firm up and that gives me less hassle.

Lads were looking frees for sliding in to collect the ball saying they were pushed, they initiated the slide first, play on, due to the heavy conditions players were being 'held' up more, again, no obvious free like arms being pulled shirts being pulled and so on, if he doesn't release the ball he'll over carry it.

In these incidents the cry is there all over him! There could be 15 players all over him, if there is no actual free being committed then play on.

As you say Johnny, get the first free, it depends on your interpretation of that first free lol

As frustrating as it is, sometimes there is not that obvious free so playing on is the best option

Not all tackles are frees, clear as mud

Did my first game with the new rule that if a physio comes on to the pitch and player removes his helmet he has to leave the pitch and can only come on in a break of play.. They had no idea!!

The following is the guidance provided,  injured players.  We should communicated the guidance to medical and management teams if they enquire about implementation.
 
1. If a Doctor or \physio comes on to the field of play to treat or access an injured player we will not be instructing them to leave the field of play.
2. We will allow treatment on the field of play - however if this necessitates a stoppage in play, this will,
            (a) be added on to the allotted time and
            (b) any player treated on the field of play will need to come off and return to the field of play at the centre point of the sideline, after a break in play.
3. Just to inform you also after the meeting of Central Council the goalkeepers will be treated the same as every other player. In other words he also has to leave the field and come back on at the centre point of the sideline.
  4.  This also applies to removal of the helmet in hurling.

It's not just the removal of the helmet though, it's if you've to stop the play to allow a physio on at all.

[Milltown Row2]

"It's not just the removal of the helmet though, it's if you've to stop the play to allow a physio on at all."

If I have to stop play.

Though if a physio comes on and can administer a spray while play continues I'm happy with that, should I have to blow the whistle and the player requires assistance they have to go off, now seeing as it was my first real go at it, I waved the player on rather than waiting for a break, he was genuinely hurt from a tackle from the other team, its a bit unfair surely to disadvantage them twice? 

[marty34]

"It's not just the removal of the helmet though, it's if you've to stop the play to allow a physio on at all."

If I have to stop play.

Though if a physio comes on and can administer a spray while play continues I'm happy with that, should I have to blow the whistle and the player requires assistance they have to go off, now seeing as it was my first real go at it, I waved the player on rather than waiting for a break, he was genuinely hurt from a tackle from the other team, its a bit unfair surely to disadvantage them twice? 

But is that not wrong, going by them new rules?

[Milltown Row2]

"It's not just the removal of the helmet though, it's if you've to stop the play to allow a physio on at all."

If I have to stop play.

Though if a physio comes on and can administer a spray while play continues I'm happy with that, should I have to blow the whistle and the player requires assistance they have to go off, now seeing as it was my first real go at it, I waved the player on rather than waiting for a break, he was genuinely hurt from a tackle from the other team, its a bit unfair surely to disadvantage them twice? 

But is that not wrong, going by them new rules?

Completely

Bitta common sense needs to be applied and while I'm not against following it to the letter, sometimes it's actually counterproductive and not serving the reason why it's introduced

[marty34]

"It's not just the removal of the helmet though, it's if you've to stop the play to allow a physio on at all."

If I have to stop play.

Though if a physio comes on and can administer a spray while play continues I'm happy with that, should I have to blow the whistle and the player requires assistance they have to go off, now seeing as it was my first real go at it, I waved the player on rather than waiting for a break, he was genuinely hurt from a tackle from the other team, its a bit unfair surely to disadvantage them twice? 

But is that not wrong, going by them new rules?

Completely

Bitta common sense needs to be applied and while I'm not against following it to the letter, sometimes it's actually counterproductive and not serving the reason why it's introduced

No, I totally agree with you.

It'll be interesting to see what happens in big games during the summer.