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RedHand88

Quote from: seafoid on July 03, 2019, 12:58:18 PM
https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2019-07-03/plot-corbyn-out-power/

I've no time for grand standers like Brand. If western democracy is so insufferable let him go elsewhere to see how he fares out.

J70

Quote from: RedHand88 on July 03, 2019, 01:03:43 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 03, 2019, 12:58:18 PM
https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2019-07-03/plot-corbyn-out-power/

I've no time for grand standers like Brand. If western democracy is so insufferable let him go elsewhere to see how he fares out.

So because other places might be in worse shape, that means that people shouldn't speak up about the corruption and injustices in their own country??

Jell 0 Biafra



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Quote from: BennyCake on July 03, 2019, 04:39:08 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 03, 2019, 04:01:35 PM
Boris' bridge. Sure it's never be open due to weather.
https://m.independent.ie/world-news/europe/britain/i-think-its-a-good-idea-boris-johnson-is-an-enthusiast-for-bridge-between-northern-ireland-and-scotland-38277590.html

Telling unionists what they want to hear. Are they really that stupid to believe it?

Finance is not the issue. Sure what's 15bn going to take from the NHS? ;D
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Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 03, 2019, 02:57:45 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 03, 2019, 12:58:18 PM
https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2019-07-03/plot-corbyn-out-power/

Perhaps the best political blog on the web. Can't recommend him highly enough.

Read a bit of that, can't be fucked reading the rest. If he supports Corbyn he's a p***k. Only loonies support Corbyn, hence he's not electable.

charlieTully

Says the boy who supports Eastwood.

RedHand88

Quote from: J70 on July 03, 2019, 01:13:01 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 03, 2019, 01:03:43 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 03, 2019, 12:58:18 PM
https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2019-07-03/plot-corbyn-out-power/

I've no time for grand standers like Brand. If western democracy is so insufferable let him go elsewhere to see how he fares out.

So because other places might be in worse shape, that means that people shouldn't speak up about the corruption and injustices in their own country??

When your own country's injustices are a drop in the ocean compared to other parts of the world, yes you should thank your lucky stars.

screenexile

Labour polling @ 18% with possibly the worst Government in history leading the country.

The chasm where leadership should be is there for everyone to see. Labour need a change and soon otherwise they'll suffer the same fate as the Torys and there will be a hung parliament for decades to come with the far right getting a seat at the table!!

Tony Baloney

Quote from: screenexile on July 04, 2019, 09:22:47 AM
Labour polling @ 18% with possibly the worst Government in history leading the country.

The chasm where leadership should be is there for everyone to see. Labour need a change and soon otherwise they'll suffer the same fate as the Torys and there will be a hung parliament for decades to come with the far right getting a seat at the table!!
A general election would be a penalty kick with any other Labour leader. Get rid of him.

RedHand88

The fact Corbyn can't make hay at the minute doesn't reflect well on him.

seafoid

Quote from: screenexile on July 04, 2019, 09:22:47 AM
Labour polling @ 18% with possibly the worst Government in history leading the country.

The chasm where leadership should be is there for everyone to see. Labour need a change and soon otherwise they'll suffer the same fate as the Torys and there will be a hung parliament for decades to come with the far right getting a seat at the table!!

I don't think polls are much use at the moment.
Most people don't know how trade or the modern economy work. They don't know what No Deal will actually mean


Most RoI  voters did not have a notion about the importance of the bank guarantee in September 2008. Sure it was grand
It was only when the economy went tits up that people got angry

J . K. Galbraith:"The conventional wisdom"gives way not so much to new ideas as to "the massive onslaught of circumstances with which it cannot contend".

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/channel-hopping-offers-explosive-time-and-space-perspective-1.678045

Channel-hopping offers explosive time and space perspective
Wed, Nov 17, 2010, 00:00
NEWTON EMERSON


NEWTON'S OPTIC:

BBC News

We interrupt our report on wheelchair access at job centres to bring you some breaking news. Astronomers at Britain's Jodrell Bank observatory have detected an asteroid on a collision course with Earth. Initial projections suggest it will strike the Republic of Ireland in approximately 15 minutes.

RTÉ News

We interrupt our report on a cat stuck up a tree in Cabinteely to bring you some breaking news. The BBC is reporting a serious problem with wheelchair access at job centres. More on Six-One, but, meanwhile, back to Cabinteely.

BBC News

We have an update on that developing asteroid story, by which we mean the story is developing, not the asteroid. Astronomers confirm it will strike the Republic of Ireland in 13 minutes, causing widespread devastation. Shock waves are expected across Europe and EU leaders are meeting now in emergency session.

RTÉ News

And I'm sure we're all delighted to see Tiddles safely back on the ground. In other news, Government sources have reacted angrily to reports in London of an "astronomical problem" threatening Ireland.

The British media has a long history of anti-Irish reporting, as you can see from this 1865 cartoon of Mr Punch dropping a rock on "Poor Paddy".

BBC News

Further details on that asteroid. Jodrell Bank says it is five miles wide, travelling at 20,000mph and will hit Dublin in 10 minutes.

Scientists warn this is an "existential threat" to the Republic of Ireland, while linguists warn that "existential" should not be used as an adjective for "existence".

RTÉ News

The Government is denying reports of an existential threat to Ireland or a threat to the existence of Ireland.

RTÉ understands that several alarming statistics circulating in London have come from a British bank, which may well have its own reasons for speculating on Dublin's future.


BBC News

As the so-called "Paddy's Rock" passes lunar orbit, EU leaders have urged the Irish Government to recognise the gravity of the situation and seek urgent help.

RTÉ News

Government sources confirm they have spoken to EU leaders about an urgent situation, but only to complain that talk of "gravity" is not helping.

BBC News

With impact now minutes away, survival experts advise people to dig a hole in the softest ground available. Fortunately the Irish are good at digging holes in soft ground, as you can see from this 1865 cartoon of Mr Punch "watching Paddy stick his head in the bog".

RTÉ News

We interrupt these scurrilous rumours to bring you truly earth-shattering news. A man with a beard is moving from Belfast to Dundalk to look for work. Central Bank sources say this proves the recession is over.

BBC News

Our correspondent in Ireland reports that a shadow has now fallen over the whole country and people are fleeing the affected area, except for one man with a beard who appears to be fleeing in the opposite direction.

RTÉ News

In an exclusive angry phone call to our newsroom, a Government press officer has confirmed that he can see the light at the end of the tunnel. The light has appeared in the sky directly over Dublin, where it is glowing bright red and getting larger and larger by the . . .
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

Quote from: Fionntamhnach on July 04, 2019, 01:35:53 AM
Jeremy Corbyn's high point of his leadership of the British Labour Party was in the aftermath of the 2017 General Election. The problem is that he has pretty much pissed away all goodwill from that point on mainly because of his prolonged sitting-on-the-fence concerning what moves to make regarding Brexit. Even some his closer allied MPs like Diane Abbott and John McDonnell are starting to quietly shift away from Corbyn because apart from the Momentum cheerleaders, he's quite unpopular with the public in general.

YouGov have a regular survey asking who would make the better PM, the PM or the leader of the opposition. In the last survey a month ago, May was ahead of Corbyn by 12 percentage points - though the real winner by a clear margin was "dunno".

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/ep5kkaxc7j/YG%20Trackers%20-%20Best%20Prime%20Minister.pdf

In the linked PDF above, it shows that Corbyn's best head to head results were the two surveys after the last GE on 8th June 2017. Since then it's been going slowly downhill for him. May has been more consistent, until her numbers took a pummelling close to the original date for Brexit on 29th March 2019. When you consider everything that has gone on concerning how pathetic May has been since her snap General Election tactic backfired, Corbyn being utterly impotent to be able to take advantage of an almost open goal has shown he's not a capable leader of a major political party. Say what you want about Tony Blair, but he would have had eaten alive  most of the Tories over several breakfasts by this stage.

Polls are useless in times of extreme volatility because chaos is very difficult for a herd of people to understand.
This article is a great example.  The UK is nowhere near ready to leave with no Deal. Most of the comments below assume everything will work out, that the Government has thought everything through. Most people still think the Tories are trustworthy and in control. Would you shtop.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/06/30/british-trucks-face-turned-away-dover-french-no-deal-plans/

British trucks face being turned away at Dover under French 'no deal' Brexit plans

Queues at Dover
Lorries without the right paperwork face being stuck in queues at Dover or diverted to a "stack" at Manston Airfield in a "no deal" Brexit, instead of rolling smoothly onto ferries CREDIT: GARETH FULLER/PA


Peter Foster, europe editor
30 JUNE 2019 • 8:00PM
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British trucks will not be able to board ships in Dover in a "no deal" Brexit if they do not have the correct customs paperwork, following a deal between the Port of Calais and Channel shipping lines, the head of the Road Haulage Association has told The Telegraph.

Richard Burnett, chief executive of the Road Haulage Association, said Dover would be used as a "filter" for trucks looking to go to the continent, risking massive tailbacks and disruption if British business did not comply with pre-declaration requirements.

In January, Calais Ports boss Jean-Marc Puissesseau said there would be no extra delays at Calais or other French channel ports after the installation of number plate recognition (ANPR) technology and 100-acre lorry parks for customs inspections.

However, Mr Burnett said while lorries with correct paperwork might run smoothly on reaching Calais, that was because those without would be stopped at Dover and "stacked" at Manston airfield or through the planned "Operation Brock".

"Jean-Marc has made it very clear that Calais has a deal with shipping companies in Dover that any truck without the proper paperwork won't be allowed to board," he said. "They won't send over anything that isn't pre-cleared. And that means those that don't will be turned around."

Among the requirements for shippers is to have an EU import-export registration, or EORI, number. However, Mr Burnett said it was estimated that only "about 40pc" of British businesses that needed the numbers had applied for one.

A second industry source with knowledge of the government's "no deal" plans said that HMRC was planning to "wave through" trucks without an EORI "with a warning to get one for next time", but conceded that shipping companies could still refuse the right to board.

Dutch port and logistics operators have raised similar concerns about the lack of preparation on the British side to take advantage of the new electronic customs infrastructure that the Netherlands has built in ports such as Rotterdam.

The Dutch government has invested €100m (£90m) in technology and staff, including 900 customs officer and 100 vets to deal with a potential "no deal" Brexit - but is warning that British business must prepare itself to avoid containers coming to a "standstill".

The Dutch ports website warns that UK operators will need to register for an EORI number, but also consider other necessary permits, like an agreement with the Netherlands Food and Consumer Product Safety Authority (NVWA) or, if they are a transporter, a CEMT licence.

It warns that companies that decide to handle their own declarations, will need to invest in separate computer software and licences, or find a customs agent or forwarder to handle the processes on their behalf.


"Only cargo that has been digitally pre-notified can enter and leave the terminal," the website warns. "Otherwise, the container or trailer will come to a standstill here ... No transport without a pre-notified document."

Elmer de Bruin, Brexit specialist at TLN, the Dutch transport and logistics organisation, told The Telegraph that while the Dutch were well prepared, a lack of clarity on the other side of the Channel was causing concern.

"We hope that the other side of the Channel in England will prepare because we have the impression that it is relatively still. They say: 'we are waiting for the politicians'. That worries us. It is wanting, compared to our side," he said.

The CBI warned in an open letter last month that a "no deal" Brexit would do "severe damage" to business, but both the two candidates for the Tory Party leadership have committed to the policy as a last resort.

The EU is clear that it will need to charge tariffs and conduct checks, but diplomats from affected countries - France, Netherlands, Belgium and Germany - are equally clear that in a no deal scenario they will not actively seek to "turn Kent into a lorry park".

"That is not the EU plan. If we did that, that would risk a strategic rupture and the British would never come back to the table, but that does not mean there will not be checks and delays," said a diplomat with knowledge of EU no deal planning.

The greater risk is that UK business will not be in a position to take advantage of the immediate facilitations that have been built into the EU systems, leaving aside the longer-term issues of trying to remain competitive while absorbing the new frictional costs of being outside the EU.


If backlogs do occur at Dover and Kent, the industry source with knowledge of the government's no deal plans said that major food companies were planning to divert to Hull and then drive down to their warehouses in Dover, avoiding blocked roads.

The source sketched a scenario where the impacts of a no deal exit were not instantaneous - leading to claims that concerns were all "project fear" - but then emerged in the follow weeks and months.

"Day one is a Friday, so people will avoid trading, then it's the weekend," the source said. "The worry is about day 7 when the queues have accumulated and the system is creaking. "And then you worry about day 21 when the automotive and aerospace firms that have been working through their stockpile run out of parts and start trading again."

Mr Burnett said businesses were failing to prepare because of the uncertainty and mixed signals being sent by government, with Boris Johnson warning of no deal one day, and then saying it was a "one in a million" chance the next.

A lack of customs and forwarding agents were also causing major concerns, since the private sector was not investing on the off-chance of a no deal, raising the question of whether the government would need to step in to support business.

"The real problem is that even if businesses all rushed to register, a lot of businesses also just don't understand the processes and what they need to do to get ready," he concluded.

"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

red hander

Quote from: BennyCake on July 03, 2019, 04:39:08 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 03, 2019, 04:01:35 PM
Boris' bridge. Sure it's never be open due to weather.
https://m.independent.ie/world-news/europe/britain/i-think-its-a-good-idea-boris-johnson-is-an-enthusiast-for-bridge-between-northern-ireland-and-scotland-38277590.html

Telling unionists what they want to hear. Are they really that stupid to believe it?

Shows how desperate DUP is that it comes up with this utter fantasy and thinks it will somehow help halt the march to reunification, which will move up a pace if there is a hard Brexit. Maybe they should plant some beans in the back garden in preparation for a golden egg-laying goose