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« Reply #43665 on: April 16, 2018, 01:45:57 PM »
Last week Manchester United beat the best team in the league away and today getting beaten at home by the worst team in the league. That lack of consistency must be very frustrating for any Manchester United supporter.


Last week they were abject until forced to attack by being 0-2 down.

The problem is obvious and I've been saying it since before the appointment. Mourinho is a dinosaur. Clearly the players don't buy into or can't buy into his prehistoric tactics. City might have a marginally better squad (or might not) but Liverpool don't and they're likely to make the CL final and are 1 point behind United in the table. After all the money United have spent???

I'm sick of it.

As a Liverpool supporter there are very few Man u players i'd want in the Liverpool first team. De Gea, that's about it.

You can have him. But take that Smalling clown too

And the biggest white elephant of them all - Martial

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« Reply #43666 on: April 16, 2018, 02:02:59 PM »
Despite what he appears to be saying, JM is going to need at least one new full back and one centre back.

I think the squad is fine going forward if he can keep all the players happy.

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« Reply #43667 on: April 16, 2018, 02:09:52 PM »
Last week Manchester United beat the best team in the league away and today getting beaten at home by the worst team in the league. That lack of consistency must be very frustrating for any Manchester United supporter.


Last week they were abject until forced to attack by being 0-2 down.

The problem is obvious and I've been saying it since before the appointment. Mourinho is a dinosaur. Clearly the players don't buy into or can't buy into his prehistoric tactics. City might have a marginally better squad (or might not) but Liverpool don't and they're likely to make the CL final and are 1 point behind United in the table. After all the money United have spent???

I'm sick of it.

As a Liverpool supporter there are very few Man u players i'd want in the Liverpool first team. De Gea, that's about it.
Don't think we care about your opinion. Go back to your Scouse thread.

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« Reply #43668 on: April 16, 2018, 02:10:28 PM »
I was trying to come up with a combined  team and what is really telling for me is that if you picked a combined Liverpool/United team Matic is probably the only midfielder you would guarantee gets in there. Supporters of their respective teams could probably make cases for Can/Henderson/Ox/Pogba/Herrera etc but none of those are a shoo in.

For me the following would definitely feature in a combined Liverpool/Utd team

DeGea
VVD
Bailly
Matic
Robertson
Salah
Firmino

Firmino is probably controversial for Utd fans but on current form he is ahead of Lukaku or Sanchez in my mind. But you probably need to have watched entire Liverpool games rather than highlights to fully appreciate how well he has played this season.  I would actually rather have Rashford than Lukaku/Sanchez  from a personal perspective!

If I had done the team 3 weeks ago I might have had Valencia at RB but TAA has done enough in the last couple of weeks to at least raise a debate. The more worrying thing for both Liverpool and United fans is how many players would feature in a combined team with City? De Gea and Salah definitely. After than possibly VVD and Matic but you would be hard pushed to get many more in.



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« Reply #43669 on: April 16, 2018, 02:28:49 PM »
I was trying to come up with a combined  team and what is really telling for me is that if you picked a combined Liverpool/United team Matic is probably the only midfielder you would guarantee gets in there. Supporters of their respective teams could probably make cases for Can/Henderson/Ox/Pogba/Herrera etc but none of those are a shoo in.

For me the following would definitely feature in a combined Liverpool/Utd team

DeGea
VVD
Bailly
Matic
Robertson
Salah
Firmino

Firmino is probably controversial for Utd fans but on current form he is ahead of Lukaku or Sanchez in my mind. But you probably need to have watched entire Liverpool games rather than highlights to fully appreciate how well he has played this season.  I would actually rather have Rashford than Lukaku/Sanchez  from a personal perspective!

If I had done the team 3 weeks ago I might have had Valencia at RB but TAA has done enough in the last couple of weeks to at least raise a debate. The more worrying thing for both Liverpool and United fans is how many players would feature in a combined team with City? De Gea and Salah definitely. After than possibly VVD and Matic but you would be hard pushed to get many more in.

Possibly VVD!! Seriously?? Which City CB's are better than VVD??

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« Reply #43670 on: April 16, 2018, 02:32:57 PM »
Poor performance, players didn't look interested from early on. I haven't seen the stats but a huge percentage of the goals we concede come from set pieces which is just bizare when you look at the size of the team. 3 of the 4 goals conceded against City this season were from set pieces.

Huge game next week although thoughts are firmly on next season already.


What's going to change?

Better players will come in.


Who though? Who is going to come in that will make the manager change his tactics?

Bar Ronaldo or Messi there's probably not much more that can help United in an attacking sense without an adjustment to the approach. The Sanchez signing has underlined how awful it is for attacking players to play in this team.

In midfield - the manager loves Matic who despite my early season delight has his limitations. A partner for him who is in the Michael Carrick mould of a good incisive passer and excellent at covering and reading a game is needed. Is Modric a possibility?

At the back the regular shout out is for full backs but to be honest, Valencia or Young rarely let the side down. I'm not sure who Mourinho would buy that would improve matters. Remember - he doesn't like his FB's getting forward down the line (like we'd be used to). I'd say he'd have no interest in a Seamus Coleman for example. Whoever comes in there will be at most a minimal upgrade. I've defended Smalling and Jones over the years and both have had periods in their careers where you think "at last he's proving he's up to it" followed by poor form, injury etc. They're still better than Lindelof to be honest so United could do with an upgrade to play with Bailly. I'm open to suggestions but I'm not seeing any obvious candidate. As you've mentioned (or maybe it was someone else) conceding goals from set pieces doesn't need new players to limit. It's coaching and hard work on the training ground. And attitude. And frankly the attitude of this group looks poor.
Did you watch him play for Arsenal this season before he signed? a player bought bang out of form. Will he improve after a rest this summer (no world cup) or will he be like Rooney was e.g past his best and while picking up the most wages at the club

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« Reply #43671 on: April 16, 2018, 02:36:24 PM »
Alexis is a player that does look like he needs a rest.
To get the best out of him JM will need to look at a new formation or way of playing.

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« Reply #43672 on: April 16, 2018, 02:39:07 PM »
Are Liverpool really any nearer to winning the league than United? United are criticised by nearly every pundit yet if they win their game in hand they'll be 4 points clear of Liverpool. Their squad has very little depth and will likely loose Can this summer to make matters worse. If any of the front 3 got injured they'd be in big trouble. They probably need 4 or 5 quality players to win a title and not convinced they'll get them this summer. Win the CL and Klopp will get a free ride for a few years though and probably deservedly so.

Only time will tell but I do think there's a lot more to come from United. We've tended to have some very good halfs of football this season against the top teams in the league which is an improvement on last season. I think we've got huge issues at fullback, they've both got slower as the season has gone on; Replace them and we'll see a difference. We need a centre half and a centre mid too, ideally we need a right sided attacking player but don't see one coming in unless Martial is sold.

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« Reply #43673 on: April 16, 2018, 02:46:06 PM »
Last week Manchester United beat the best team in the league away and today getting beaten at home by the worst team in the league. That lack of consistency must be very frustrating for any Manchester United supporter.


Last week they were abject until forced to attack by being 0-2 down.

The problem is obvious and I've been saying it since before the appointment. Mourinho is a dinosaur. Clearly the players don't buy into or can't buy into his prehistoric tactics. City might have a marginally better squad (or might not) but Liverpool don't and they're likely to make the CL final and are 1 point behind United in the table. After all the money United have spent???

I'm sick of it.

As a Liverpool supporter there are very few Man u players i'd want in the Liverpool first team. De Gea, that's about it.
Don't think we care about your opinion. Go back to your Scouse thread.

He is right though (just not about De Gea). Most of Uniteds players just don't cut the mustard.

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« Reply #43674 on: April 16, 2018, 02:51:34 PM »
Are Liverpool really any nearer to winning the league than United? United are criticised by nearly every pundit yet if they win their game in hand they'll be 4 points clear of Liverpool. Their squad has very little depth and will likely loose Can this summer to make matters worse. If any of the front 3 got injured they'd be in big trouble. They probably need 4 or 5 quality players to win a title and not convinced they'll get them this summer. Win the CL and Klopp will get a free ride for a few years though and probably deservedly so.

Only time will tell but I do think there's a lot more to come from United. We've tended to have some very good halfs of football this season against the top teams in the league which is an improvement on last season. I think we've got huge issues at fullback, they've both got slower as the season has gone on; Replace them and we'll see a difference. We need a centre half and a centre mid too, ideally we need a right sided attacking player but don't see one coming in unless Martial is sold.

No in my opinion. I think Utd at 6-1 and Chelsea at 12-1 for next season are decent bets at this point because I fully expect both teams to spend significantly more than Liverpool in the summer. Chelsea will most likely have a new manager as well.

Possibly VVD!! Seriously?? Which City CB's are better than VVD??



On the VVD point, I would have a fit Kompany as the best center back in the league. Probably would have VVD beside him personally but I am sure plenty of people would argue for Stones.
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« Reply #43675 on: April 16, 2018, 02:53:39 PM »
Stones?? Never was a man more appropriately named.

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« Reply #43676 on: April 16, 2018, 03:16:41 PM »
Are Liverpool really any nearer to winning the league than United? United are criticised by nearly every pundit yet if they win their game in hand they'll be 4 points clear of Liverpool. Their squad has very little depth and will likely loose Can this summer to make matters worse. If any of the front 3 got injured they'd be in big trouble. They probably need 4 or 5 quality players to win a title and not convinced they'll get them this summer. Win the CL and Klopp will get a free ride for a few years though and probably deservedly so.

Only time will tell but I do think there's a lot more to come from United. We've tended to have some very good halfs of football this season against the top teams in the league which is an improvement on last season. I think we've got huge issues at fullback, they've both got slower as the season has gone on; Replace them and we'll see a difference. We need a centre half and a centre mid too, ideally we need a right sided attacking player but don't see one coming in unless Martial is sold.

No in my opinion. I think Utd at 6-1 and Chelsea at 12-1 for next season are decent bets at this point because I fully expect both teams to spend significantly more than Liverpool in the summer. Chelsea will most likely have a new manager as well.

Possibly VVD!! Seriously?? Which City CB's are better than VVD??



On the VVD point, I would have a fit Kompany as the best center back in the league. Probably would have VVD beside him personally but I am sure plenty of people would argue for Stones.

Kompany is miles away from the player he was in 11/12 when they won their first league, even at the last world cup he was average enough. I know a couple of city mates of mine who are adamant on that too, as for Stones I just don't think he's a very good defender. VVD is a better player than both of them.

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« Reply #43677 on: April 16, 2018, 03:27:20 PM »
Are Liverpool really any nearer to winning the league than United? United are criticised by nearly every pundit yet if they win their game in hand they'll be 4 points clear of Liverpool. Their squad has very little depth and will likely loose Can this summer to make matters worse. If any of the front 3 got injured they'd be in big trouble. They probably need 4 or 5 quality players to win a title and not convinced they'll get them this summer. Win the CL and Klopp will get a free ride for a few years though and probably deservedly so.

Only time will tell but I do think there's a lot more to come from United. We've tended to have some very good halfs of football this season against the top teams in the league which is an improvement on last season. I think we've got huge issues at fullback, they've both got slower as the season has gone on; Replace them and we'll see a difference. We need a centre half and a centre mid too, ideally we need a right sided attacking player but don't see one coming in unless Martial is sold.


With the greatest respect though Liverpool have not won the league in almost 30 years and are operating off a much lower budget. They haven't spent near the money United have. To be no closer to winning the league than them must be classed as a failure. I don't mean any disrespect to Liverpool in that by the way....and they may indeed win a league before United do. Especially if there's no managerial changes in wither club.

Any names of players who'd improve United?

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« Reply #43678 on: April 16, 2018, 03:33:17 PM »
Are Liverpool really any nearer to winning the league than United? United are criticised by nearly every pundit yet if they win their game in hand they'll be 4 points clear of Liverpool. Their squad has very little depth and will likely loose Can this summer to make matters worse. If any of the front 3 got injured they'd be in big trouble. They probably need 4 or 5 quality players to win a title and not convinced they'll get them this summer. Win the CL and Klopp will get a free ride for a few years though and probably deservedly so.

Only time will tell but I do think there's a lot more to come from United. We've tended to have some very good halfs of football this season against the top teams in the league which is an improvement on last season. I think we've got huge issues at fullback, they've both got slower as the season has gone on; Replace them and we'll see a difference. We need a centre half and a centre mid too, ideally we need a right sided attacking player but don't see one coming in unless Martial is sold.


With the greatest respect though Liverpool have not won the league in almost 30 years and are operating off a much lower budget. They haven't spent near the money United have. To be no closer to winning the league than them must be classed as a failure. I don't mean any disrespect to Liverpool in that by the way....and they may indeed win a league before United do. Especially if there's no managerial changes in wither club.

Any names of players who'd improve United?

Fullback wise I don't know as I've not watched enough football around Europe, used to watch a lot more but lost interest the last few years; Danny Rose would but he's always got injury problems. Alderweireld at centre half would certainly improve United, best centre half in the league the previous 2 seasons. I could reel off a load of centre mids but getting them out of the likes of Real Madrid & PSG is going to be impossible. Saul at Atletico Madrid is a brilliant player anytime I've seen him but Atletico seem to do a great job of keeping the Spanish lads.


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« Reply #43679 on: April 16, 2018, 03:43:07 PM »
Are Liverpool really any nearer to winning the league than United? United are criticised by nearly every pundit yet if they win their game in hand they'll be 4 points clear of Liverpool. Their squad has very little depth and will likely loose Can this summer to make matters worse. If any of the front 3 got injured they'd be in big trouble. They probably need 4 or 5 quality players to win a title and not convinced they'll get them this summer. Win the CL and Klopp will get a free ride for a few years though and probably deservedly so.

Only time will tell but I do think there's a lot more to come from United. We've tended to have some very good halfs of football this season against the top teams in the league which is an improvement on last season. I think we've got huge issues at fullback, they've both got slower as the season has gone on; Replace them and we'll see a difference. We need a centre half and a centre mid too, ideally we need a right sided attacking player but don't see one coming in unless Martial is sold.


With the greatest respect though Liverpool have not won the league in almost 30 years and are operating off a much lower budget. They haven't spent near the money United have. To be no closer to winning the league than them must be classed as a failure. I don't mean any disrespect to Liverpool in that by the way....and they may indeed win a league before United do. Especially if there's no managerial changes in wither club.

Any names of players who'd improve United?

Neither did Leicester...

Utd (Jose) needs to assess his best team and get everyone fit, the season has been a disaster and will be compounded even further, next week against Spurs.. the 30 minutes I watched at the weekend was dreadful, not unlike a lot of games this season. Its got that bad now my dad doesnt bother to watch them live, prefering match of the day, he's been watching them since the mid 50's and its been too many poor games that have slipped away, negitive play also! He prefers the highlights (limited) rather the whole game..

There is a league winning team there, maybe MS is right but I can't see Klopp coming to Utd TBH and he's about the best out there along with Pep
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