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« Reply #43650 on: April 16, 2018, 09:27:44 AM »
Poor performance, players didn't look interested from early on. I haven't seen the stats but a huge percentage of the goals we concede come from set pieces which is just bizare when you look at the size of the team. 3 of the 4 goals conceded against City this season were from set pieces.

Huge game next week although thoughts are firmly on next season already.


What's going to change?

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« Reply #43651 on: April 16, 2018, 11:40:46 AM »
Last week Manchester United beat the best team in the league away and today getting beaten at home by the worst team in the league. That lack of consistency must be very frustrating for any Manchester United supporter.


Last week they were abject until forced to attack by being 0-2 down.

The problem is obvious and I've been saying it since before the appointment. Mourinho is a dinosaur. Clearly the players don't buy into or can't buy into his prehistoric tactics. City might have a marginally better squad (or might not) but Liverpool don't and they're likely to make the CL final and are 1 point behind United in the table. After all the money United have spent???

I'm sick of it.

As a Liverpool supporter there are very few Man u players i'd want in the Liverpool first team. De Gea, that's about it.
I'll have a shower and then phone my brother up

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« Reply #43652 on: April 16, 2018, 11:47:34 AM »
Poor performance, players didn't look interested from early on. I haven't seen the stats but a huge percentage of the goals we concede come from set pieces which is just bizare when you look at the size of the team. 3 of the 4 goals conceded against City this season were from set pieces.

Huge game next week although thoughts are firmly on next season already.


What's going to change?

Better players will come in.

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« Reply #43653 on: April 16, 2018, 11:49:42 AM »
Last week Manchester United beat the best team in the league away and today getting beaten at home by the worst team in the league. That lack of consistency must be very frustrating for any Manchester United supporter.


Last week they were abject until forced to attack by being 0-2 down.

The problem is obvious and I've been saying it since before the appointment. Mourinho is a dinosaur. Clearly the players don't buy into or can't buy into his prehistoric tactics. City might have a marginally better squad (or might not) but Liverpool don't and they're likely to make the CL final and are 1 point behind United in the table. After all the money United have spent???

I'm sick of it.

As a Liverpool supporter there are very few Man u players i'd want in the Liverpool first team. De Gea, that's about it.

The league table would suggest otherwise.

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« Reply #43654 on: April 16, 2018, 11:54:15 AM »
Last week Manchester United beat the best team in the league away and today getting beaten at home by the worst team in the league. That lack of consistency must be very frustrating for any Manchester United supporter.


Last week they were abject until forced to attack by being 0-2 down.

The problem is obvious and I've been saying it since before the appointment. Mourinho is a dinosaur. Clearly the players don't buy into or can't buy into his prehistoric tactics. City might have a marginally better squad (or might not) but Liverpool don't and they're likely to make the CL final and are 1 point behind United in the table. After all the money United have spent???

I'm sick of it.

As a Liverpool supporter there are very few Man u players i'd want in the Liverpool first team. De Gea, that's about it.
I find that hard to believe. I think only Van Dijk and Salah would really improve Uniteds first 11. Another debate can be had for tactics/style of play but player for player United are stronger.

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« Reply #43655 on: April 16, 2018, 12:30:55 PM »
Form and tactics count for a lot (and tactics have a direct impact on form). This time last year everyone would have wanted a handful of Chelsea players in their side. The year before a few Leicester lads. Everyone would love a few city players now....

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« Reply #43656 on: April 16, 2018, 12:31:18 PM »
As you say, playing style makes it hard to compare some lads, but I suspect Salah, Firmino, Mané, Robertson, Van Dijk and maybe TAA would be knocking around the Man United Team.

For Liverpool I'd love Rashford. Imagine him on a Klopp team!? Matic would be nice too.

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« Reply #43657 on: April 16, 2018, 12:33:11 PM »
As you say, playing style makes it hard to compare some lads, but I suspect Salah, Firmino, Mané, Robertson, Van Dijk and maybe TAA would be knocking around the Man United Team.

For Liverpool I'd love Rashford. Imagine him on a Klopp team!? Matic would be nice too.

Wouldn't mind DDG either!

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« Reply #43658 on: April 16, 2018, 12:35:14 PM »
As you say, playing style makes it hard to compare some lads, but I suspect Salah, Firmino, Mané, Robertson, Van Dijk and maybe TAA would be knocking around the Man United Team.

For Liverpool I'd love Rashford. Imagine him on a Klopp team!? Matic would be nice too.

Wouldn't mind DDG either!

Ah yeah, I was just adding. Armamike mentioned him and said he was the only one.

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« Reply #43659 on: April 16, 2018, 12:46:07 PM »
Poor performance, players didn't look interested from early on. I haven't seen the stats but a huge percentage of the goals we concede come from set pieces which is just bizare when you look at the size of the team. 3 of the 4 goals conceded against City this season were from set pieces.

Huge game next week although thoughts are firmly on next season already.


What's going to change?

Better players will come in.


Who though? Who is going to come in that will make the manager change his tactics?

Bar Ronaldo or Messi there's probably not much more that can help United in an attacking sense without an adjustment to the approach. The Sanchez signing has underlined how awful it is for attacking players to play in this team.

In midfield - the manager loves Matic who despite my early season delight has his limitations. A partner for him who is in the Michael Carrick mould of a good incisive passer and excellent at covering and reading a game is needed. Is Modric a possibility?

At the back the regular shout out is for full backs but to be honest, Valencia or Young rarely let the side down. I'm not sure who Mourinho would buy that would improve matters. Remember - he doesn't like his FB's getting forward down the line (like we'd be used to). I'd say he'd have no interest in a Seamus Coleman for example. Whoever comes in there will be at most a minimal upgrade. I've defended Smalling and Jones over the years and both have had periods in their careers where you think "at last he's proving he's up to it" followed by poor form, injury etc. They're still better than Lindelof to be honest so United could do with an upgrade to play with Bailly. I'm open to suggestions but I'm not seeing any obvious candidate. As you've mentioned (or maybe it was someone else) conceding goals from set pieces doesn't need new players to limit. It's coaching and hard work on the training ground. And attitude. And frankly the attitude of this group looks poor.

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« Reply #43660 on: April 16, 2018, 12:49:17 PM »
As you say, playing style makes it hard to compare some lads, but I suspect Salah, Firmino, Mané, Robertson, Van Dijk and maybe TAA would be knocking around the Man United Team.

For Liverpool I'd love Rashford. Imagine him on a Klopp team!? Matic would be nice too.


They'd be strangled. Firmino wouldn't start because he's not a huge target man. The others would get half a game here and there like Rashford. Those FB's and Van Dijk might fit Jose's plans alright on recent form though I doubt they'd recover from poor games as well under Jose. Especially the young lads.

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« Reply #43661 on: April 16, 2018, 12:50:46 PM »
And I forgot to add - there's a real risk of losing DeGea as well as Martial and Rashford this summer. Each would be a catastrophe but DeGea would mean you're 10-15 points down on a good replacement keeper.

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« Reply #43662 on: April 16, 2018, 12:53:04 PM »
As you say, playing style makes it hard to compare some lads, but I suspect Salah, Firmino, Mané, Robertson, Van Dijk and maybe TAA would be knocking around the Man United Team.

For Liverpool I'd love Rashford. Imagine him on a Klopp team!? Matic would be nice too.


They'd be strangled. Firmino wouldn't start because he's not a huge target man. The others would get half a game here and there like Rashford. Those FB's and Van Dijk might fit Jose's plans alright on recent form though I doubt they'd recover from poor games as well under Jose. Especially the young lads.

Is there any kind of good reason to Rashford not playing?

He was exceptional against Liverpool, but when I've checked United teamsheets in recent weeks he seems to be almost always on the bench.
Does he have a lazy streak where he won't put the work in?

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« Reply #43663 on: April 16, 2018, 12:58:20 PM »
As you say, playing style makes it hard to compare some lads, but I suspect Salah, Firmino, Mané, Robertson, Van Dijk and maybe TAA would be knocking around the Man United Team.

For Liverpool I'd love Rashford. Imagine him on a Klopp team!? Matic would be nice too.


They'd be strangled. Firmino wouldn't start because he's not a huge target man. The others would get half a game here and there like Rashford. Those FB's and Van Dijk might fit Jose's plans alright on recent form though I doubt they'd recover from poor games as well under Jose. Especially the young lads.

Is there any kind of good reason to Rashford not playing?

He was exceptional against Liverpool, but when I've checked United teamsheets in recent weeks he seems to be almost always on the bench.
Does he have a lazy streak where he won't put the work in?


Nope. Works his tail off. The reason he's not playing is the manager is a twat. And it's no surprise. This was all predicted prior to him arriving by me and others.

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« Reply #43664 on: April 16, 2018, 01:28:23 PM »
Last week Manchester United beat the best team in the league away and today getting beaten at home by the worst team in the league. That lack of consistency must be very frustrating for any Manchester United supporter.


Last week they were abject until forced to attack by being 0-2 down.

The problem is obvious and I've been saying it since before the appointment. Mourinho is a dinosaur. Clearly the players don't buy into or can't buy into his prehistoric tactics. City might have a marginally better squad (or might not) but Liverpool don't and they're likely to make the CL final and are 1 point behind United in the table. After all the money United have spent???

I'm sick of it.

As a Liverpool supporter there are very few Man u players i'd want in the Liverpool first team. De Gea, that's about it.

You can have him. But take that Smalling clown too