At the end of the league, the rankings are divided into two Groups, based on the final league standings after the 4 league finals. The Top 16 will play in the Sam Maguire competition and the Bottom 16 will play in the Tailteann Cup competition, unless a Bottom 16 team reaches its Provincial Final. Were that to occur, lowest team listed in the Top 16 will be dropped to the Bottom 16 and play in the Tailteann Cup.
With the Provincial draws for 2024, one side of the Munster Championship has all Bottom 16 teams (Clare, Tipperary and Waterford), so the lowest rank of the Top 16 teams (Down) is dropped to Tailteann Cup status, since all Provincial finalists are guaranteed to be in the Top 16 for All-Ireland Group stages seeding. Any team dropped from the Top 16 to the Bottom 16 can regain Top 16 status by reaching their respective Provincial final. As Tailteann Cup holders, Meath cannot be relegated from the Top 16.
Here is the ranking of Top 16 at the start of the Provincial championships.
Derry
Dublin
Kerry
Mayo
Tyrone
Galway
Donegal
Armagh
Roscommon
Monaghan
Cavan
Cork
Meath
Louth
Westmeath
Clare/Tipperary/Waterford – whichever gets to the Munster Final
The Bottom 16 are:
Down
Fermanagh
Kildare
Clare/Tipperary/Waterford – whichever 2 do not get to the Munster final.
Sligo
Antrim
Offaly
Laois
Leitrim
Wicklow
Limerick
Wexford
Longford
Carlow
London
New York
At the end of the Provincial championships, the Group stages of the championships begin.
The 4 Groups for Sam Maguire will have the 4 provincial champions as the number 1 seeds, the 4 provincial runners-up as the two seeds, the next four from the above rankings as the 3 seeds, and the next 4 as the 4 seeds.
The Tailteann Cup will have seedings based on the league positions of the teams participating. New York will not play in the Tailteann Cup Group stage, but will enter the competition at the Preliminary-Quarter-Final stage.
After Week 1 of Provincial games (on 6/7 April), the following Bottom 16 teams were eliminated from their Provincial Championship and will be in the Tailteann Cup in 2024:
London
Leitrim
Longford
Carlow
Tipperary
Limerick
New York - but not in the Group stage as noted in previous post.
Good work Mod.
Westmeath hoping Louth make the Leinster Final.
13/14 April
4 Leinster Quarter-finals:
13-Apr Offaly 2-13 Laois 1-8
14-Apr Dublin 3-19 Meath 0-12
14-Apr Kildare 0-16 Wicklow 1-12
14-Apr Louth 4-10 Wexford 0-15
2 Ulster Quarter-finals:
13-Apr Down 0-13 Antrim 0-9
14-Apr Fermanagh 0-9 Armagh 3-11
After Week 2 of the Provincial Championships, the following 5 counties are playing in the 2024 Tailteann Cup:
Laois
Wicklow
Wexford
Antrim
Fermanagh
6 of the Bottom 16 counties that still have a chance to play in the Sam Maguire are:
Down - must beat Armagh in Ulster semi-final on 27 April, otherwise stay in Tailteann Cup
Kildare - must beat Louth in Leinster semi-final on 28 April, otherwise stay in Tailteann Cup
Sligo - must beat Galway in Connacht semi-final on 20 April, otherwise stay in Tailteann Cup
Offaly - must beat Dublin in Leinster semi-final on 28 April, otherwise stay in Tailteann Cup
Clare/Waterford – play each other in Munster semi-final on 20 April, loser stays in Tailteann Cup, winner goes to Sam Maguire.
After 2 weeks the following 12 counties are confirmed to play in the Tailteann Cup 2024.
Clare or Waterford – whichever does not get to the Munster final.
Fermanagh
Antrim
Laois
Leitrim
Wicklow
Limerick
Wexford
Longford
Carlow
London
Tipperary
New York
Results from this weekend (20/21 April):
Connacht Senior Football Championship
Semi-finals
20-Apr Galway 1-13 Sligo 0-14...Sligo will play in Tailteann Cup, Galway will be a 1 or 2 seed in Sam Maguire
21-Apr Mayo 1-15 Roscommon 0-13...Mayo will be a 1 or 2 seed in Sam Maguire
Munster Senior Football Championship
Semi-finals
20-Apr Clare 2-20 Waterford 1-9...Waterford will play in Tailteann Cup, Clare will be a 1 or 2 seed in Sam Maguire
20-Apr Kerry 0-18 Cork 1-12...Kerry will be a 1 or 2 seed in Sam Maguire
Ulster Senior Football Championship
Quarter-finals
20-Apr Donegal 4-11 Derry 0-17...Derry will be a 3 seed in Sam Maguire
21-Apr Tyrone 1-23 Cavan 3-16
We are left with 3 of the Bottom 16 counties that still have a chance to play in the Sam Maguire after 21 April games:
Down - must beat Armagh in Ulster semi-final on 27 April, otherwise stay in Tailteann Cup
Kildare - must beat Louth in Leinster semi-final on 28 April, otherwise stay in Tailteann Cup
Offaly - must beat Dublin in Leinster semi-final on 28 April, otherwise stay in Tailteann Cup
If one of the above three (Down, Kildare or Offaly) win their semi-final, Westmeath will drop to the Tailteann Cup.
If Kildare and one other win, Westmeath and Louth will drop to the Tailteann Cup.
If Down and Offaly win, but Kildare lose, Westmeath and Cork will drop to the Tailteann Cup.
If Down, Kildare and Offaly win, Westmeath, Louth and Cork will drop to the Tailteann Cup.
After 21 April, the following 14 counties are confirmed to play in the Tailteann Cup 2024.
Fermanagh
Sligo
Antrim
Laois
Leitrim
Wicklow
Limerick
Wexford
Longford
Carlow
London
Tipperary
Waterford
New York
Edit: Down, Kildare and Offaly all lost their respective semi-final games, meaning all 3 will play in the Tailteann Cup in 2024. The teams under threat - Westmeath, Louth and Cork - will all play in the Sam Maguire competition. See following posts for seeding plans for both competitions.
https://www.gaa.ie/article/sam-maguire-and-tailteann-cup-seedings
The Group Stage Draws for the Sam Maguire and Tailteann Cups will take place at 3pm on Tuesday 30 April.
Sam Maguire Cup
Seed 1: the 4 Provincial Champions (winners of Galway/Mayo, Clare/Kerry, Dublin/Louth and Armagh/Donegal)
Seed 2: the 4 Provincial Runnersup: (losers of Galway/Mayo, Clare/Kerry, Dublin/Louth and Armagh/Donegal)
Seed 3: the next 4 teams in finishing order of the National League...Derry, Tyrone, Roscommon, Monaghan
Seed 4: the next 4 teams in finishing order of the National League...Cavan, Cork, Meath, Westmeath
Teams who are due to meet in a Provincial Final (Seeds 1 and 2) cannot be in the same group. However, teams who have already played each other earlier in this year's championships can be drawn to the same groups.
Tailteann Cup
Seed 1: Down, Fermanagh, Kildare, Sligo
Seed 2: Antrim, Offaly, Laois, Leitrim
Seed 3: Wicklow, Limerick, Wexford, Longford
Seed 4: Carlow, Tipperary, London, Waterford
New York will enter the Tailteann Cup at the Preliminary Quarter-Final stage, taking the place of the lowest third place finisher after the Group Stage is complete.
Dates for the group stages of the Sam Maguire Cup will be:
Round 1 Seeds 1 & 2 will have home venue
18/19 May:
Seed 1 (Munster/Connacht Champions) v Seed 3
Seed 2 (Munster/Connacht Runners Up) v Seed 4
25/26 May:
Seed 1 (Leinster/Ulster Champions) v Seed 3
Seed 2 (Leinster/Ulster Runners Up) v Seed 4
Round 2 Seeds 3 & 4 will have home venue
1/2 June:
Seed 3 v Seed 2
Seed 4 v Seed 1
Round 3 Neutral venues
15/16 June
Seed 1 v Seed 2
Seed 3 v Seed 4
Tailteann Cup
Round 1 Seeds 1 & 2 will have home venue
11/12 May:
Seed 1 v Seed 3
Seed 2 v Seed 4
Round 2 Seeds 3 & 4 will have home venue
18/19 May:
Seed 3 v Seed 2
Seed 4 v Seed1
Round 3 Neutral venues
1/2 June:
Seed 1 v Seed 2
Seed 3 v Seed 4
with the draw being made before provincial finals how will that affect the potential groups? Can donegal be with Derry for example?
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 29, 2024, 07:07:42 AMwith the draw being made before provincial finals how will that affect the potential groups? Can donegal be with Derry for example?
Not sure why I bother...go up 2 posts tonto
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on April 29, 2024, 07:29:09 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 29, 2024, 07:07:42 AMwith the draw being made before provincial finals how will that affect the potential groups? Can donegal be with Derry for example?
Not sure why I bother...go up 2 posts tonto
hah. Apologies. I did read through that. Will blame monday morning. Much appreciated
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on April 29, 2024, 07:29:09 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 29, 2024, 07:07:42 AMwith the draw being made before provincial finals how will that affect the potential groups? Can donegal be with Derry for example?
Not sure why I bother...go up 2 posts tonto
;D ;D
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on April 28, 2024, 07:32:27 PMDates for the group stages of the Sam Maguire Cup will be:
Round 1 Seeds 1 & 2 will have home venue
18/19 May:
Seed 1 (Munster/Connacht Champions) v Seed 3
Seed 2 (Munster/Connacht Runners Up) v Seed 4
25/26 May:
Seed 1 (Leinster/Ulster Champions) v Seed 3
Seed 2 (Leinster/Ulster Runners Up) v Seed 4
Round 2 Seeds 3 & 4 will have home venue
1/2 June:
Seed 3 v Seed 2
Seed 4 v Seed 1
Round 3 Neutral venues
15/16 June
Seed 1 v Seed 2
Seed 3 v Seed 4
Tailteann Cup
Round 1 Seeds 1 & 2 will have home venue
11/12 May:
Seed 1 v Seed 3
Seed 2 v Seed 4
Round 2 Seeds 3 & 4 will have home venue
18/19 May:
Seed 3 v Seed 2
Seed 4 v Seed1
Round 3 Neutral venues
1/2 June:
Seed 1 v Seed 2
Seed 3 v Seed 4
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on April 28, 2024, 07:32:27 PMDates for the group stages of the Sam Maguire Cup will be:
Round 1 Seeds 1 & 2 will have home venue
18/19 May:
Seed 1 (Munster/Connacht Champions) v Seed 3
Seed 2 (Munster/Connacht Runners Up) v Seed 4
25/26 May:
Seed 1 (Leinster/Ulster Champions) v Seed 3
Seed 2 (Leinster/Ulster Runners Up) v Seed 4
Round 2 Seeds 3 & 4 will have home venue
1/2 June:
Seed 3 v Seed 2
Seed 4 v Seed 1
Round 3 Neutral venues
15/16 June
Seed 1 v Seed 2
Seed 3 v Seed 4
Tailteann Cup
Round 1 Seeds 1 & 2 will have home venue
11/12 May:
Seed 1 v Seed 3
Seed 2 v Seed 4
Round 2 Seeds 3 & 4 will have home venue
18/19 May:
Seed 3 v Seed 2
Seed 4 v Seed1
Round 3 Neutral venues
1/2 June:
Seed 1 v Seed 2
Seed 3 v Seed 4
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on April 28, 2024, 07:32:27 PMDates for the group stages of the Sam Maguire Cup will be:
Round 1 Seeds 1 & 2 will have home venue
18/19 May:
Seed 1 (Munster/Connacht Champions) v Seed 3
Seed 2 (Munster/Connacht Runners Up) v Seed 4
25/26 May:
Seed 1 (Leinster/Ulster Champions) v Seed 3
Seed 2 (Leinster/Ulster Runners Up) v Seed 4
Round 2 Seeds 3 & 4 will have home venue
1/2 June:
Seed 3 v Seed 2
Seed 4 v Seed 1
Round 3 Neutral venues
15/16 June
Seed 1 v Seed 2
Seed 3 v Seed 4
Tailteann Cup
Round 1 Seeds 1 & 2 will have home venue
11/12 May:
Seed 1 v Seed 3
Seed 2 v Seed 4
Round 2 Seeds 3 & 4 will have home venue
18/19 May:
Seed 3 v Seed 2
Seed 4 v Seed1
Round 3 Neutral venues
1/2 June:
Seed 1 v Seed 2
Seed 3 v Seed 4
It is all very seedy
Here's the problem, Everybody worried who they get, Dublin don't give a damn who they get, as their attitude is, we beat everybody out there.
It's a whole load of games to whittle the number of teams down from 16 to 12. And when the draw is made you will be able to predict the 4 teams who will be eliminated with a fair degree of certainty. The main interest will centre around which teams top their groups.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 29, 2024, 03:57:08 PMIt's a whole load of games to whittle the number of teams down from 16 to 12. And when the draw is made you will be able to predict the 4 teams who will be eliminated with a fair degree of certainty. The main interest will centre around which teams top their groups.
If the last 16 went to straight knock out or even a back door system where you can lose 1 game it'd be far better. Could end up with a group of Dublin, Donegal/Armagh, Derry and Cork which would be very strong. Obviously everyone will want to avoid the Connacht and Ulster runners up.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 29, 2024, 02:48:33 PMHere's the problem, Everybody worried who they get, Dublin don't give a dawn who they get, as their attitude is, we beat everybody out there.
After 12 seasons of mainly beating everyone out there.....
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 29, 2024, 04:42:24 PMQuote from: yellowcard on April 29, 2024, 03:57:08 PMIt's a whole load of games to whittle the number of teams down from 16 to 12. And when the draw is made you will be able to predict the 4 teams who will be eliminated with a fair degree of certainty. The main interest will centre around which teams top their groups.
If the last 16 went to straight knock out or even a back door system where you can lose 1 game it'd be far better. Could end up with a group of Dublin, Donegal/Armagh, Derry and Cork which would be very strong. Obviously everyone will want to avoid the Connacht and Ulster runners up.
Were this to happen, Dublin would have Derry in Croke Park, Armagh would be away to Derry :'( but would get Dublin in a neutral venue. We might have a chance against Cork at home.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 29, 2024, 03:57:08 PMIt's a whole load of games to whittle the number of teams down from 16 to 12. And when the draw is made you will be able to predict the 4 teams who will be eliminated with a fair degree of certainty. The main interest will centre around which teams top their groups.
That's true, because after last year, we all now realise what an advantage finishing top appears to be.
I said last year, if additional jeopardy is needed, we could have the four group winners and the best 2nd place team all progress directly to the quarters. The third place team with the worst record would be eliminated - that should mean little or no dead rubbers.
I'd also tweak it by giving the provincial winners and the 4 top league places (who weren't provincial winners) two home games and get rid of the neutral ground game - this would provide better incentives for provincial winners and league placings. It would also boost attendances as the neutral games last year were very poorly attended iirc.
Quote from: onefineday on April 30, 2024, 12:22:28 AMQuote from: yellowcard on April 29, 2024, 03:57:08 PMIt's a whole load of games to whittle the number of teams down from 16 to 12. And when the draw is made you will be able to predict the 4 teams who will be eliminated with a fair degree of certainty. The main interest will centre around which teams top their groups.
That's true, because after last year, we all now realise what an advantage finishing top appears to be.
I said last year, if additional jeopardy is needed, we could have the four group winners and the best 2nd place team all progress directly to the quarters. The third place team with the worst record would be eliminated - that should mean little or no dead rubbers.
I'd also tweak it by giving the provincial winners and the 4 top league places (who weren't provincial winners) two home games and get rid of the neutral ground game - this would provide better incentives for provincial winners and league placings. It would also boost attendances as the neutral games last year were very poorly attended iirc.
But this scheme basically advantages Dublin and Kerry, if they didn't have enough advantages.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 30, 2024, 12:31:04 AMQuote from: onefineday on April 30, 2024, 12:22:28 AMQuote from: yellowcard on April 29, 2024, 03:57:08 PMIt's a whole load of games to whittle the number of teams down from 16 to 12. And when the draw is made you will be able to predict the 4 teams who will be eliminated with a fair degree of certainty. The main interest will centre around which teams top their groups.
That's true, because after last year, we all now realise what an advantage finishing top appears to be.
I said last year, if additional jeopardy is needed, we could have the four group winners and the best 2nd place team all progress directly to the quarters. The third place team with the worst record would be eliminated - that should mean little or no dead rubbers.
I'd also tweak it by giving the provincial winners and the 4 top league places (who weren't provincial winners) two home games and get rid of the neutral ground game - this would provide better incentives for provincial winners and league placings. It would also boost attendances as the neutral games last year were very poorly attended iirc.
But this scheme basically advantages Dublin and Kerry, if they didn't have enough advantages.
Everything the GAA do has Dublin and Kerry in its thinking. They wouldn't do it if it didn't give either an advantage.
Is the draw solely broadcast on GAA GO or is it on radio anwyay as well?
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on April 30, 2024, 12:04:27 PMIs the draw solely broadcast on GAA GO or is it on radio anwyay as well?
Gaa.ie too
The provincial input into the RR makes Dublin-kerry finals more likely.
Tailteann cup draw
Group 1 Kildare Leitrim Longford Waterford
Group 2 Sligo Antrim Wexford Tipperary
Group 3 Fermanagh Laois Wicklow Carlow
Group 4 Down Offaly Limerick London
FFS ;D
Derry or Tyrone again!
Big added incentive for Donegal and Armagh to win the Ulster final now!
Tyrone be happy with that draw, short drive to ulster winner and should have more than enough for clare and Cork. Draw from hell for Derry.
Group 1 Galway/Mayo,Armagh/Donegal,Derry Westmeath
Group 2 Dublin/Louth Galway/Mayo Roscommon Cavan
Group 3 Donegal/Armagh Kerry/Clare,Tyrone Cork
Group 4 Kerry/Clare Dublin/Louth Monaghan Meath
Handy draws for Dublin & Kerry...... shocker :-X
Would be happy enough with that draw from a Monaghan perspective, though Meath and Louth probably thinking the same thing.
Quote from: 5times5times on April 30, 2024, 03:23:27 PMHandy draws for Dublin & Kerry...... shocker :-X
Isn't it.
.......
Is there an argument to say the loser of Mayo/Galway would be at an advantage in the group stages?
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 30, 2024, 03:20:24 PMGroup 1 Galway/Mayo,Armagh/Donegal,Derry Westmeath
Group 2 Dublin/Louth Galway/Mayo Roscommon Cavan
Group 3 Donegal/Armagh Kerry/Clare,Tyrone Cork
Group 4 Kerry/Cork Dublin/Louth Monaghan Meath
Little bit more editing to do there.
Change Cork to Clare in group 4
Seems daft having a draw before the provincial championships are even played. The only teams that serves is the teams that are beaten already.
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 30, 2024, 03:33:39 PMIs there an argument to say the loser of Mayo/Galway would be at an advantage in the group stages?
Rossies and Cavan are no gimmes.
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 30, 2024, 03:33:39 PMIs there an argument to say the loser of Mayo/Galway would be at an advantage in the group stages?
Well they're most likely going to be in a prelim if they're in Dublins group. Armagh/Donegal and Derry are a fair bit stronger than Rossies and Cavan and Westmeath no pushovers.
Will the Dubs get two home matches?
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 30, 2024, 03:34:49 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 30, 2024, 03:20:24 PMGroup 1 Galway/Mayo,Armagh/Donegal,Derry Westmeath
Group 2 Dublin/Louth Galway/Mayo Roscommon Cavan
Group 3 Donegal/Armagh Kerry/Clare,Tyrone Cork
Group 4 Kerry/Cork Dublin/Louth Monaghan Meath
Little bit more editing to do there.
Change Cork to Clare in group 4
We all know who is going to be in group 4 and it isn't Clare.
Quote from: J70 on April 30, 2024, 03:40:33 PMWill the Dubs get two home matches?
One home, one away, one neutral venue
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So Dublin v Mayo/Galway losers will NOT be in Croke Park?
Gaelic Grounds?
Clones?
Quote from: J70 on April 30, 2024, 04:00:54 PMSo Dublin v Mayo/Galway losers will NOT be in Croke Park?
Gaelic Grounds?
Clones?
It definitely won't be in Parnell Park, so maybe a neutral venue like Croke Park.
Quote from: p3427977 on April 30, 2024, 04:02:35 PMQuote from: J70 on April 30, 2024, 04:00:54 PMSo Dublin v Mayo/Galway losers will NOT be in Croke Park?
Gaelic Grounds?
Clones?
It definitely won't be in Parnell Park, so maybe a neutral venue like Croke Park.
You may joke, but they've used that logic before!
So Donegal are guaranteed to play a team they've already beaten!!!
Why do they do the draw for this before the provincial finals?
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 30, 2024, 03:33:39 PMIs there an argument to say the loser of Mayo/Galway would be at an advantage in the group stages?
Only 1 team per group goes out. It's all about injuries and momentum then.
The surest way to success is to top the group and avoid the pre qf match.
Quote from: J70 on April 30, 2024, 04:00:54 PMSo Dublin v Mayo/Galway losers will NOT be in Croke Park?
Gaelic Grounds?
Clones?
Thurles or Limerick if Galway or Cavan if Mayo?
Quote from: screenexile on April 30, 2024, 04:36:06 PMSo Donegal are guaranteed to play a team they've already beaten!!!
Happened us last year
Quote from: p3427977 on April 30, 2024, 04:02:35 PMQuote from: J70 on April 30, 2024, 04:00:54 PMSo Dublin v Mayo/Galway losers will NOT be in Croke Park?
Gaelic Grounds?
Clones?
It definitely won't be in Parnell Park, so maybe a neutral venue like Croke Park.
It hasn't happened in the new format so far, why would it happen this year?
Quote from: J70 on April 30, 2024, 03:40:33 PMWill the Dubs get two home matches?
Likely to be Dublin and Galway. Should be played in Tullamore.
The draw suits me. At the start of the year I posted that I wanted Derry to give Armagh another sickener in an Ulster final. I didn't get that but they can always sicken them in Celtic park.
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on April 30, 2024, 05:34:04 PMThe draw suits me. At the start of the year I posted that I wanted Derry to give Armagh another sickener in an Ulster final. I didn't get that but they can always sicken them in Celtic park.
Any visit to Derry is always puke inducing, but perhaps we'll beat Donegal who can then go to Derry and give you another lesson.
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on April 30, 2024, 05:34:04 PMThe draw suits me. At the start of the year I posted that I wanted Derry to give Armagh another sickener in an Ulster final. I didn't get that but they can always sicken them in Celtic park.
Nail on the head there Norm ;D
Am happy enough with Derrys draw, we likely got the weakest 1st seed, though both are strong at home, could got a easier 2nd seed, but I think we stronger than any team in our group. Harte has a long lead in time for abit of planning.
Good to see the Penalty Kick Champs are mentally recovering from their embarrassing home defeat to plucky Division 2 Champs Donegal. Certs for the AI.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 30, 2024, 05:47:10 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on April 30, 2024, 05:34:04 PMThe draw suits me. At the start of the year I posted that I wanted Derry to give Armagh another sickener in an Ulster final. I didn't get that but they can always sicken them in Celtic park.
Any visit to Derry is always puke inducing, but perhaps we'll beat Donegal who can then go to Derry and give you another lesson.
Ouch!
Quote from: bennydorano on April 30, 2024, 06:29:37 PMGood to see the Penalty Kick Champs are mentally recovering from their embarrassing home defeat to plucky Division 2 Champs Donegal. Certs for the AI.
Better than being serial losers 8)
Is there a shield for the 4 bottom teams :-[ ?
Away to feckin Dublin again, 7 days later Mayowestros (unbeaten since 2001 in the Hyde) or Galway ( 1991) will leave us in bad shape for Cavan. :-\
Quote from: maldini on April 30, 2024, 04:40:14 PMWhy do they do the draw for this before the provincial finals?
It's a good question. Some teams might now be thinking a loss wouldn't be the end of the world, so it takes the edge off things.
Quote from: Sportacus on April 30, 2024, 06:53:17 PMQuote from: maldini on April 30, 2024, 04:40:14 PMWhy do they do the draw for this before the provincial finals?
It's a good question. Some teams might now be thinking a loss wouldn't be the end of the world, so it takes the edge off things.
I'm pretty sure both Donegal and Armagh will want to avoid the group with the winners of Mayo/Galway and Derry!
Mayo and Galway are certainly in a tough position. The loser will get Dublin, Ros and Cavan; the winner the aforementioned group with Derry, Donegal/Armagh and Westmeath.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 30, 2024, 03:20:24 PMGroup 1 Galway/Mayo,Armagh/Donegal,Derry Westmeath
Group 2 Dublin/Louth Galway/Mayo Roscommon Cavan
Group 3 Donegal/Armagh Kerry/Clare,Tyrone Cork
Group 4 Kerry/Cork Dublin/Louth Monaghan Meath
Very disappointed...
Quote from: J70 on April 30, 2024, 07:05:19 PMQuote from: Sportacus on April 30, 2024, 06:53:17 PMQuote from: maldini on April 30, 2024, 04:40:14 PMWhy do they do the draw for this before the provincial finals?
It's a good question. Some teams might now be thinking a loss wouldn't be the end of the world, so it takes the edge off things.
I'm pretty sure both Donegal and Armagh will want to avoid the group with the winners of Mayo/Galway and Derry!
Mayo and Galway are certainly in a tough position. The loser will get Dublin, Ros and Cavan; the winner the aforementioned group with Derry, Donegal/Armagh and Westmeath.
Armagh beat Galway and Westmeath last year and drew with Derry. That would do again.
In any case, teams can reach the preliminary QFs by kicking the weakest team and then you see who you get there, although the sequence of games can banjax you with injuries etc.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 30, 2024, 07:13:31 PMQuote from: J70 on April 30, 2024, 07:05:19 PMQuote from: Sportacus on April 30, 2024, 06:53:17 PMQuote from: maldini on April 30, 2024, 04:40:14 PMWhy do they do the draw for this before the provincial finals?
It's a good question. Some teams might now be thinking a loss wouldn't be the end of the world, so it takes the edge off things.
I'm pretty sure both Donegal and Armagh will want to avoid the group with the winners of Mayo/Galway and Derry!
Mayo and Galway are certainly in a tough position. The loser will get Dublin, Ros and Cavan; the winner the aforementioned group with Derry, Donegal/Armagh and Westmeath.
Armagh beat Galway and Westmeath last year and drew with Derry. That would do again.
In any case, teams can reach the preliminary QFs by kicking the weakest team and then you see who you get there, although the sequence of games can banjax you with injuries etc.
Beating Monaghan last year did us zero favours as by finishing second, we ended up getting a hammering from a third place qualifier Tyrone!
Whereas Monaghan ended up with much easier game against Kildare and made the AI semi after the shoot out against yourselves.
Quote from: maldini on April 30, 2024, 04:40:14 PMWhy do they do the draw for this before the provincial finals?
HQ wants cuts ties with the provincial championship and the All Ireland series, haven't got their way yet so in the meantime have decided to degrade provincial finals.
Expected group winners after that draw will be Derry,Dublin,Kerry,Donegal and might be the four to the reach the All Ireland semi finals also.
Quote from: Schkite on April 30, 2024, 03:24:46 PMWould be happy enough with that draw from a Monaghan perspective, though Meath and Louth probably thinking the same thing.
. We would be if we had a different manager. Unfortunately under Latin boy I fear we have no chance. Next year under the u20 manager we will take a giant step forward but this year is a write off for our senior team I'm afraid. Would love to be proved wrong.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 30, 2024, 03:11:02 PMTailteann cup draw
Group 1 Kildare Leitrim Longford Waterford
Group 2 Sligo Antrim Wexford Tipperary
Group 3 Fermanagh Laois Wicklow Carlow
Group 4 Down Offaly Limerick London
10 All Irelands in Group 4!!
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 30, 2024, 03:20:08 PMTyrone be happy with that draw, short drive to ulster winner and should have more than enough for clare and Cork. Draw from hell for Derry.
Definitely a tough draw for us but the only advantage to be had is from winning the group, so from that perspective avoiding Dublin and Kerry is most welcome.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 30, 2024, 08:06:01 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 30, 2024, 03:11:02 PMTailteann cup draw
Group 1 Kildare Leitrim Longford Waterford
Group 2 Sligo Antrim Wexford Tipperary
Group 3 Fermanagh Laois Wicklow Carlow
Group 4 Down Offaly Limerick London
10 All Irelands in Group 4!!
9 all Irelands in group 2!!
Quote from: armaghniac on April 30, 2024, 12:31:04 AMQuote from: onefineday on April 30, 2024, 12:22:28 AMQuote from: yellowcard on April 29, 2024, 03:57:08 PMIt's a whole load of games to whittle the number of teams down from 16 to 12. And when the draw is made you will be able to predict the 4 teams who will be eliminated with a fair degree of certainty. The main interest will centre around which teams top their groups.
That's true, because after last year, we all now realise what an advantage finishing top appears to be.
I said last year, if additional jeopardy is needed, we could have the four group winners and the best 2nd place team all progress directly to the quarters. The third place team with the worst record would be eliminated - that should mean little or no dead rubbers.
I'd also tweak it by giving the provincial winners and the 4 top league places (who weren't provincial winners) two home games and get rid of the neutral ground game - this would provide better incentives for provincial winners and league placings. It would also boost attendances as the neutral games last year were very poorly attended iirc.
But this scheme basically advantages Dublin and Kerry, if they didn't have enough advantages.
It did cross my mind, maybe we could just give 2 home games to the highest league finishers?
Still, I like the idea of only 3 third place teams progressing, it happens in the tailteann to facilitate New York, but equally would work by just putting 5 straight into the qualifiers.
Quote from: Sportacus on April 30, 2024, 06:53:17 PMQuote from: maldini on April 30, 2024, 04:40:14 PMWhy do they do the draw for this before the provincial finals?
It's a good question. Some teams might now be thinking a loss wouldn't be the end of the world, so it takes the edge off things.
I'd imagine the draw is made in advance for logistical reasons, it allows teams to prepare by knowing when they are first out etc, couldn't leave it until the provincials are over as some teams will be out 6 days later.
Quote from: OakLeaf on April 30, 2024, 09:05:53 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on April 30, 2024, 03:20:08 PMTyrone be happy with that draw, short drive to ulster winner and should have more than enough for clare and Cork. Draw from hell for Derry.
Definitely a tough draw for us but the only advantage to be had is from winning the group, so from that perspective avoiding Dublin and Kerry is most welcome.
It's hardly a draw from hell. If we can't beat Westmeath we don't deserve to be in last 12. In terms of topping the group, I'd prefer the Connacht winners to any other province. Ulster runner up will be a tough one but we should have plenty of motivation to play either of those teams.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 30, 2024, 07:13:31 PMQuote from: J70 on April 30, 2024, 07:05:19 PMQuote from: Sportacus on April 30, 2024, 06:53:17 PMQuote from: maldini on April 30, 2024, 04:40:14 PMWhy do they do the draw for this before the provincial finals?
It's a good question. Some teams might now be thinking a loss wouldn't be the end of the world, so it takes the edge off things.
I'm pretty sure both Donegal and Armagh will want to avoid the group with the winners of Mayo/Galway and Derry!
Mayo and Galway are certainly in a tough position. The loser will get Dublin, Ros and Cavan; the winner the aforementioned group with Derry, Donegal/Armagh and Westmeath.
Armagh beat Galway and Westmeath last year and drew with Derry. That would do again.
In any case, teams can reach the preliminary QFs by kicking the weakest team and then you see who you get there, although the sequence of games can banjax you with injuries etc.
Unless you waltz through your province and have the biggest panel
The last rr - pre qf- qf
is the killer
I wonder how many first seeds will win their qf . Will it be 3/4 like last year ?
Quote from: seafoid on May 01, 2024, 11:25:58 AMThe last rr - pre qf- qf
is the killer
I wonder how many first seeds will win their qf . Will it be 3/4 like last year ?
You would have to assume 4/4 would be the standard every year for the group winners making it the the semis.
This would have been the case last year only for Monaghan's penalty win over Armagh.
I wouldn't be surprised if 3/4 would be the usual most years for the first seeds in as regards making the semis. I think most years you've a very decent chance of one of the Ulster teams turning over one of the other provincial winners.
As you said the the preliminary quarter-finals route with 3 games in 3 weekends looks like an absolute death-trap of a route towards Sam. It's very hard to see a team winning Sam through that route.
Quote from: Mario on May 01, 2024, 08:24:46 AMQuote from: OakLeaf on April 30, 2024, 09:05:53 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on April 30, 2024, 03:20:08 PMTyrone be happy with that draw, short drive to ulster winner and should have more than enough for clare and Cork. Draw from hell for Derry.
Definitely a tough draw for us but the only advantage to be had is from winning the group, so from that perspective avoiding Dublin and Kerry is most welcome.
It's hardly a draw from hell. If we can't beat Westmeath we don't deserve to be in last 12. In terms of topping the group, I'd prefer the Connacht winners to any other province. Ulster runner up will be a tough one but we should have plenty of motivation to play either of those teams.
Some people esp the media just love cliches particularly "the group of death".
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 01, 2024, 11:52:19 AMQuote from: seafoid on May 01, 2024, 11:25:58 AMThe last rr - pre qf- qf
is the killer
I wonder how many first seeds will win their qf . Will it be 3/4 like last year ?
You would have to assume 4/4 would be the standard every year for the group winners making it the the semis.
This would have been the case last year only for Monaghan's penalty win over Armagh.
I wouldn't be surprised if 3/4 would be the usual most years for the first seeds in as regards making the semis. I think most years you've a very decent chance of one of the Ulster teams turning over one of the other provincial winners.
As you said the the preliminary quarter-finals route with 3 games in 3 weekends looks like an absolute death-trap of a route towards Sam. It's very hard to see a team winning Sam through that route.
Yes would expect that to be the case until such time that all Quarter finalists are given at least two weeks prep time. If we get another 3 Quarter final mis-matches this year as we did last year then HQ need to tweak it.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 01, 2024, 02:26:14 PMQuote from: twohands!!! on May 01, 2024, 11:52:19 AMQuote from: seafoid on May 01, 2024, 11:25:58 AMThe last rr - pre qf- qf
is the killer
I wonder how many first seeds will win their qf . Will it be 3/4 like last year ?
You would have to assume 4/4 would be the standard every year for the group winners making it the the semis.
This would have been the case last year only for Monaghan's penalty win over Armagh.
I wouldn't be surprised if 3/4 would be the usual most years for the first seeds in as regards making the semis. I think most years you've a very decent chance of one of the Ulster teams turning over one of the other provincial winners.
As you said the the preliminary quarter-finals route with 3 games in 3 weekends looks like an absolute death-trap of a route towards Sam. It's very hard to see a team winning Sam through that route.
Yes would expect that to be the case until such time that all Quarter finalists are given at least two weeks prep time. If we get another 3 Quarter final mis-matches this year as we did last year then HQ need to tweak it.
Yeah that extra week break is massive for teams. (Not that you'd have known with how shite we were vs Monaghan.)
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 01, 2024, 02:26:14 PMQuote from: twohands!!! on May 01, 2024, 11:52:19 AMQuote from: seafoid on May 01, 2024, 11:25:58 AMThe last rr - pre qf- qf
is the killer
I wonder how many first seeds will win their qf . Will it be 3/4 like last year ?
You would have to assume 4/4 would be the standard every year for the group winners making it the the semis.
This would have been the case last year only for Monaghan's penalty win over Armagh.
I wouldn't be surprised if 3/4 would be the usual most years for the first seeds in as regards making the semis. I think most years you've a very decent chance of one of the Ulster teams turning over one of the other provincial winners.
As you said the the preliminary quarter-finals route with 3 games in 3 weekends looks like an absolute death-trap of a route towards Sam. It's very hard to see a team winning Sam through that route.
Yes would expect that to be the case until such time that all Quarter finalists are given at least two weeks prep time. If we get another 3 Quarter final mis-matches this year as we did last year then HQ need to tweak it.
I don't think there is any chance that all the quarter-finalists are going to be given two weeks prep time for a fair while yet (think 10 years or so).
If you give the four preliminary quarter-finalists two weeks, you would need to give the group winners three weeks (assuming you did't stagger the groups) which would tilt the advantage of winning the group a fair bit away from the group winners. I don't think the powers that be want to reduce the benefit of winning the group/increase the odds for the teams coming 2nd and 3rd in the group.
Even if you were to play around with the timing and stagger the group stages to give all four quarter-finalist two weeks, it would lead to a situation whereby you gave some sides three weeks and some two at a later stage which I think the powers-that be would consider a worse option.
Long story short I think the GAA is going to keep the status quo in place for a good few years yet and that winning your group is going to be key if you want to win Sam.
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 01, 2024, 03:20:41 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 01, 2024, 02:26:14 PMQuote from: twohands!!! on May 01, 2024, 11:52:19 AMQuote from: seafoid on May 01, 2024, 11:25:58 AMThe last rr - pre qf- qf
is the killer
I wonder how many first seeds will win their qf . Will it be 3/4 like last year ?
You would have to assume 4/4 would be the standard every year for the group winners making it the the semis.
This would have been the case last year only for Monaghan's penalty win over Armagh.
I wouldn't be surprised if 3/4 would be the usual most years for the first seeds in as regards making the semis. I think most years you've a very decent chance of one of the Ulster teams turning over one of the other provincial winners.
As you said the the preliminary quarter-finals route with 3 games in 3 weekends looks like an absolute death-trap of a route towards Sam. It's very hard to see a team winning Sam through that route.
Yes would expect that to be the case until such time that all Quarter finalists are given at least two weeks prep time. If we get another 3 Quarter final mis-matches this year as we did last year then HQ need to tweak it.
I don't think there is any chance that all the quarter-finalists are going to be given two weeks prep time for a fair while yet (think 10 years or so).
If you give the four preliminary quarter-finalists two weeks, you would need to give the group winners three weeks (assuming you did't stagger the groups) which would tilt the advantage of winning the group a fair bit away from the group winners. I don't think the powers that be want to reduce the benefit of winning the group/increase the odds for the teams coming 2nd and 3rd in the group.
Even if you were to play around with the timing and stagger the group stages to give all four quarter-finalist two weeks, it would lead to a situation whereby you gave some sides three weeks and some two at a later stage which I think the powers-that be would consider a worse option.
Long story short I think the GAA is going to keep the status quo in place for a good few years yet and that winning your group is going to be key if you want to win Sam.
The powers to be will surely want all of their All Ireland Quarters to be as competitive as they can possibly be? In year one of this new format we got highly competitive Prem Quarter finals decided on fine margins and only one of the All Ireland Quarter finals going that way. If that is repeated this year it will have to be looked at sooner than later.
Topping your group avoiding play off game and not playing any of the group winners in the last 8 is enough of advantage IMO.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 01, 2024, 03:31:42 PMQuote from: twohands!!! on May 01, 2024, 03:20:41 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 01, 2024, 02:26:14 PMQuote from: twohands!!! on May 01, 2024, 11:52:19 AMQuote from: seafoid on May 01, 2024, 11:25:58 AMThe last rr - pre qf- qf
is the killer
I wonder how many first seeds will win their qf . Will it be 3/4 like last year ?
You would have to assume 4/4 would be the standard every year for the group winners making it the the semis.
This would have been the case last year only for Monaghan's penalty win over Armagh.
I wouldn't be surprised if 3/4 would be the usual most years for the first seeds in as regards making the semis. I think most years you've a very decent chance of one of the Ulster teams turning over one of the other provincial winners.
As you said the the preliminary quarter-finals route with 3 games in 3 weekends looks like an absolute death-trap of a route towards Sam. It's very hard to see a team winning Sam through that route.
Yes would expect that to be the case until such time that all Quarter finalists are given at least two weeks prep time. If we get another 3 Quarter final mis-matches this year as we did last year then HQ need to tweak it.
I don't think there is any chance that all the quarter-finalists are going to be given two weeks prep time for a fair while yet (think 10 years or so).
If you give the four preliminary quarter-finalists two weeks, you would need to give the group winners three weeks (assuming you did't stagger the groups) which would tilt the advantage of winning the group a fair bit away from the group winners. I don't think the powers that be want to reduce the benefit of winning the group/increase the odds for the teams coming 2nd and 3rd in the group.
Even if you were to play around with the timing and stagger the group stages to give all four quarter-finalist two weeks, it would lead to a situation whereby you gave some sides three weeks and some two at a later stage which I think the powers-that be would consider a worse option.
Long story short I think the GAA is going to keep the status quo in place for a good few years yet and that winning your group is going to be key if you want to win Sam.
The powers to be will surely want all of their All Ireland Quarters to be as competitive as they can possibly be? In year one of this new format we got highly competitive Prem Quarter finals decided on fine margins and only one of the All Ireland Quarter finals going that way. If that is repeated this year it will have to be looked at sooner than later.
Topping your group avoiding play off game and not playing any of the group winners in the last 8 is enough of advantage IMO.
HQ in congress were asked about making that tweak to the schedule and the answer was to wait for another year or two to see if it remains an issue.
I'm not sure this extra week is that big of a deal at all. Professional soccer players are capable of playing 90 minute matches every 3/4 days in peak season and I've seen people claim that GAA players at the top level are just as fit. So these players are well capable of fully recovering physically in the space of 7 days.
What about the advantage of getting into a rhythm of playing top level games week on week. I certainly don't think its anywhere near as big of a deal as many people make out.
Well Tyrone looked like a team that were out on there feet against Donegal at the finish, and that was just after their second consecutive game. Why oh why are you comparing amateur players who go to work on a Monday to a professional.
Quote from: shawshank on May 01, 2024, 04:05:44 PMWell Tyrone looked like a team that were out on there feet against Donegal at the finish, and that was just after their second consecutive game. Why oh why are you comparing amateur players who go to work on a Monday to a professional.
Firstly Tyrone played 2 periods of extra time in both games so that was going to be a factor for anybody who played the full 100 minutes in both matches. The last match of the round robin can't go to extra time so you wouldn't have those circumstances for a preliminary quarter final.
I've heard it said before that GAA athletes are just as fit as some professional sportsmen and I do believe this to be the case in plenty of instances. The biggest difference will be in recovery time so I accept that. However if you trawl through a lot of the top county squads you will find plenty of lads that aren't going to work on Monday morning especially after a big intercounty fixture.
Wouldn't be comparing it professional sports. The proof will be in the pudding for the All Ireland Quarter finals this summer. I believe Mayo and Tyrone would have given a better account of themselves last year with more time to prepare for their Quarter final and it's worth taking into account Tyrone and Mayo would be among the best when it come to fitness and conditioning of their players.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 01, 2024, 04:23:36 PMWouldn't be comparing it professional sports. The proof will be in the pudding for the All Ireland Quarter finals this summer. I believe Mayo and Tyrone would have given a better account of themselves last year with more time to prepare for their Quarter final and it's worth taking into account Tyrone and Mayo would be among the best when it come to fitness and conditioning of their players.
No point in pulling out hypothetical situations to fit your narrative. Both Kerry and Dublin would widely be seen as better sides with bigger squads than either Tyrone or Mayo. I could equally point to how a rested Armagh were knocked out by Monaghan (after extra time) despite them playing 3 weeks in a row and who were seen as underdogs prior to that match. There are a whole range of factors that could affect a result including momentum, injuries, suspensions, illness, match fitness, confidence, freshness etc.
It might well be an advantage depending on the circumstances but I just don't think its as cut and dried as some people try to make out. There will be players who would much prefer to be playing every week because if they aren't they are invariably spending a full day in a training camp on the weekend before the next match anyway.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 01, 2024, 04:41:12 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 01, 2024, 04:23:36 PMWouldn't be comparing it professional sports. The proof will be in the pudding for the All Ireland Quarter finals this summer. I believe Mayo and Tyrone would have given a better account of themselves last year with more time to prepare for their Quarter final and it's worth taking into account Tyrone and Mayo would be among the best when it come to fitness and conditioning of their players.
No point in pulling out hypothetical situations to fit your narrative. Both Kerry and Dublin would widely be seen as better sides with bigger squads than either Tyrone or Mayo. I could equally point to how a rested Armagh were knocked out by Monaghan (after extra time) despite them playing 3 weeks in a row and who were seen as underdogs prior to that match. There are a whole range of factors that could affect a result including momentum, injuries, suspensions, illness, match fitness, confidence, freshness etc.
It might well be an advantage depending on the circumstances but I just don't think its as cut and dried as some people try to make out. There will be players who would much prefer to be playing every week because if they aren't they are invariably spending a full day in a training camp on the weekend before the next match anyway.
Because we shite the bed lol.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 01, 2024, 05:01:30 PMQuote from: yellowcard on May 01, 2024, 04:41:12 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 01, 2024, 04:23:36 PMWouldn't be comparing it professional sports. The proof will be in the pudding for the All Ireland Quarter finals this summer. I believe Mayo and Tyrone would have given a better account of themselves last year with more time to prepare for their Quarter final and it's worth taking into account Tyrone and Mayo would be among the best when it come to fitness and conditioning of their players.
No point in pulling out hypothetical situations to fit your narrative. Both Kerry and Dublin would widely be seen as better sides with bigger squads than either Tyrone or Mayo. I could equally point to how a rested Armagh were knocked out by Monaghan (after extra time) despite them playing 3 weeks in a row and who were seen as underdogs prior to that match. There are a whole range of factors that could affect a result including momentum, injuries, suspensions, illness, match fitness, confidence, freshness etc.
It might well be an advantage depending on the circumstances but I just don't think its as cut and dried as some people try to make out. There will be players who would much prefer to be playing every week because if they aren't they are invariably spending a full day in a training camp on the weekend before the next match anyway.
Because we shite the bed lol.
I definitely think that we are one of those teams that benefit from playing week on week. Too much time for analysis when we have a longer lead in period with long training weekends that can be mentally draining. Maybe its not the same for every county but we are much better when we don't focus too much on the opposition and concentrate on our own strengths.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 01, 2024, 04:41:12 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 01, 2024, 04:23:36 PMWouldn't be comparing it professional sports. The proof will be in the pudding for the All Ireland Quarter finals this summer. I believe Mayo and Tyrone would have given a better account of themselves last year with more time to prepare for their Quarter final and it's worth taking into account Tyrone and Mayo would be among the best when it come to fitness and conditioning of their players.
No point in pulling out hypothetical situations to fit your narrative. Both Kerry and Dublin would widely be seen as better sides with bigger squads than either Tyrone or Mayo. I could equally point to how a rested Armagh were knocked out by Monaghan (after extra time) despite them playing 3 weeks in a row and who were seen as underdogs prior to that match. There are a whole range of factors that could affect a result including momentum, injuries, suspensions, illness, match fitness, confidence, freshness etc.
It might well be an advantage depending on the circumstances but I just don't think its as cut and dried as some people try to make out. There will be players who would much prefer to be playing every week because if they aren't they are invariably spending a full day in a training camp on the weekend before the next match anyway.
Granted Dublin and Kerry are better but 12 points the better team I think not. No amount of training replicates a high intensity championship knock out tie and coming through that and going up against a rested Kerry,Dublin the following weekend most certainly doesn't help in making an All Ireland quarter a competitive watch.
Not a brutal draw from Cavan's perspective - absolutely delighted there's no other Ulster team in there, but perhaps it's all moot anyway with the news that Paddy Lynch is gone for the season after doing the cruciate.
You'd imagine Galway or Mayo will be good enough for second place behind the Dubs and Cavan and Roscommon will renew their modern day B-lister rivalry for the third spot. Roscommon wouldn't be overly fearful in that one either.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on May 01, 2024, 06:12:41 PMNot a brutal draw from Cavan's perspective - absolutely delighted there's no other Ulster team in there, but perhaps it's all moot anyway with the news that Paddy Lynch is gone for the season after doing the cruciate.
You'd imagine Galway or Mayo will be good enough for second place behind the Dubs and Cavan and Roscommon will renew their modern day B-lister rivalry for the third spot. Roscommon wouldn't be overly fearful in that one either.
If Cavan bring the intensity they brought in the 2 Ulster games at times they'll give any of the Connacht teams a good rattle. Lynch is some loss though, was sorry to hear that.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on May 01, 2024, 06:12:41 PMNot a brutal draw from Cavan's perspective - absolutely delighted there's no other Ulster team in there, but perhaps it's all moot anyway with the news that Paddy Lynch is gone for the season after doing the cruciate.
You'd imagine Galway or Mayo will be good enough for second place behind the Dubs and Cavan and Roscommon will renew their modern day B-lister rivalry for the third spot. Roscommon wouldn't be overly fearful in that one either.
Has Gearoid McKernan retired?
Quote from: Schkite on April 30, 2024, 03:24:46 PMWould be happy enough with that draw from a Monaghan perspective, though Meath and Louth probably thinking the same thing.
We could write off the first game v (probably) Kerry in Killarney, but good to have home ground v (hopefully) Louth and neutral v Meath. There's hope.
Whoever loses the Ulster final will probably wonder why they bothered trying to get there.
Quote from: Main Street on May 01, 2024, 09:13:00 PMQuote from: Schkite on April 30, 2024, 03:24:46 PMWould be happy enough with that draw from a Monaghan perspective, though Meath and Louth probably thinking the same thing.
We could write off the first game v (probably) Kerry in Killarney, but good to have home ground v (hopefully) Louth and neutral v Meath. There's hope.
Whoever loses the Ulster final will probably wonder why they bothered trying to get there.
To win it. Fairly unlikely that an Ulster team wins Sam.
Quote from: Gael85 on May 01, 2024, 08:55:26 PMHas Gearoid McKernan retired?
Not part of the panel this year. Either wasn't asked or decided not to. His last few seasons his form had dropped off significantly, to be fair, but he had big mileage clocked up.
If Cavan bring the intensity they brought in the 2 Ulster games at times they'll give any of the Connacht teams a good rattle. Lynch is some loss though, was sorry to hear that.
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Years of ingrained tactical baggage seem to still inhibit this team, until a game is slipping away. Then, when there is literally no reason left standing not to throw caution to the wind and just have a right cut off it, instinct and skills are given their head and apparently we can give a game to a good many teams. It's maddening stuff at times and we keep repeating the dose.
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 01, 2024, 11:52:19 AMQuote from: seafoid on May 01, 2024, 11:25:58 AMThe last rr - pre qf- qf
is the killer
I wonder how many first seeds will win their qf . Will it be 3/4 like last year ?
You would have to assume 4/4 would be the standard every year for the group winners making it the the semis.
This would have been the case last year only for Monaghan's penalty win over Armagh.
I wouldn't be surprised if 3/4 would be the usual most years for the first seeds in as regards making the semis. I think most years you've a very decent chance of one of the Ulster teams turning over one of the other provincial winners.
As you said the the preliminary quarter-finals route with 3 games in 3 weekends looks like an absolute death-trap of a route towards Sam. It's very hard to see a team winning Sam through that route.
the top 4 don't necessary have to be the provincial champions.
I love Gaelic football - I have since I can remember.
I'm in my forties now and this is the first year ever that I just can't get excited about the championship whatsoever.
The format has completely fucked it up. I honestly believe the only way forward is to get rid of the provincial championships. It won't happen because the Ulster championship is so strong & competitive. The elephant in the room is that the other three are a complete and utter pile of horse shit.
When a team would be better off losing a provincial semi final (if they were to go on and lose the final) so that they could potentially get a pot two opponent of Louth, Clare or Sligo it says it all.
Dublin & Kerry can sleepwalk into a top seed spot in a group.
It's a completely uneven playing field.
It has to change so that teams of a similar standard are playing against each other and teams such as Dublin & Kerry can't just proceed through to the business end in first gear every year.
I get that they are quality teams and would do well anyway but there's no real peril for them at the moment unlike any of the Ulster teams for example.
Even ourselves last year - once we beat Roscommon we had a handy game against Sligo to get into pot one.
A lot of the games now don't mean a huge pile.
It's killing the football championship
Quote from: galwayman on May 04, 2024, 09:49:10 PMI love Gaelic football - I have since I can remember.
I'm in my forties now and this is the first year ever that I just can't get excited about the championship whatsoever.
The format has completely fucked it up. I honestly believe the only way forward is to get rid of the provincial championships. It won't happen because the Ulster championship is so strong & competitive. The elephant in the room is that the other three are a complete and utter pile of horse shit.
When a team would be better off losing a provincial semi final (if they were to go on and lose the final) so that they could potentially get a pot two opponent of Louth, Clare or Sligo it says it all.
Dublin & Kerry can sleepwalk into a top seed spot in a group.
It's a completely uneven playing field.
It has to change so that teams of a similar standard are playing against each other and teams such as Dublin & Kerry can't just proceed through to the business end in first gear every year.
I get that they are quality teams and would do well anyway but there's no real peril for them at the moment unlike any of the Ulster teams for example.
Even ourselves last year - once we beat Roscommon we had a handy game against Sligo to get into pot one.
A lot of the games now don't mean a huge pile.
It's killing the football championship
Agree with what you've said ... Championship only kicks in when there is real jeopardy, what we're seeing so far is only shadow boxing. However, really looking forward to next weekend's Ulster Final and what it would mean to win it from an Armagh perspective. I think the provincials need to be played first in the season, then into the league and straight into the All Ireland Championship. Would the Ulster mean any less if detached from the All Ireland, with the correct marketing and stage management, probably not, but the earlier time of year with say an Ulster Final in March doesn't exactly sound glamorous. However, agreed, change is needed, the current structures don't work ... in Jarlath we trust.
Kildare v Longford in Tailteann Cup next Sat at 6pm is on GAAGO.
Fill yer boots!
Still think kerry are a fair bit off Dublin. Without O'Shea or the Cliffords, they have very little.
Derry Away to Galway, would preferred Mayo to be honest, for no other fact than we normally play well against them,and crap against Galway. Mayo to suffer further at the hands of the Dubs. Is that Mayos home game?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 05, 2024, 06:06:41 PMDerry Away to Galway, would preferred Mayo to be honest, for no other fact than we normally play well against them,and crap against Galway. Mayo to suffer further at the hands of the Dubs. Is that Mayos home game?
Would have preferred Mayo too, parking handier and shorter drive ;D
It only gets going with the 3rd set of games in the round Robin.
Any idea when we'll start to see confirmed fixtures for weekend of 18th/19th may?
Where will the dub v mayo game be held , any ideas whats available that weekend , limerick ?
Quote from: larryin89 on May 06, 2024, 08:05:25 PMWhere will the dub v mayo game be held , any ideas whats available that weekend , limerick ?
Crokers neutral sure ;)
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 06, 2024, 08:20:01 PMQuote from: larryin89 on May 06, 2024, 08:05:25 PMWhere will the dub v mayo game be held , any ideas whats available that weekend , limerick ?
Crokers neutral sure ;)
I dont think they will use croke park for this one , that seems to be the feeling anyway
Doesn't make any sense for the provincial winners to have to play away against provincial losing finalists in a group.
Quote from: larryin89 on May 06, 2024, 08:05:25 PMWhere will the dub v mayo game be held , any ideas whats available that weekend , limerick ?
Páirc De hÍde 23k capacity more than enough for a Group game.
Plus ye get the benefits of 3 or 4 hours of breathing fresh Roscommon air.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on May 06, 2024, 11:06:22 PMDoesn't make any sense for the provincial winners to have to play away against provincial losing finalists in a group.
Does that include your own Kerry
Eire og or Kerry for Sams or whatever 10 aliases you are now using
You idiot.
When does the leaving cert begin
When will the fixture details be released for games w/c 18th May?
https://www.gaa.ie/article/fixture-details-for-opening-games-of-all-ireland-sfc-group-phase
Quote from: statto on May 07, 2024, 12:42:00 PMWhen will the fixture details be released for games w/c 18th May?
I'm guessing not until this time next week, but hopefully earlier.
Quote from: OakLeaf on May 07, 2024, 02:54:00 PMQuote from: statto on May 07, 2024, 12:42:00 PMWhen will the fixture details be released for games w/c 18th May?
I'm guessing not until this time next week, but hopefully earlier.
Actually they are in that link I sent earlier. I just didnt scroll down far enough. :)
Quote from: OakLeaf on May 07, 2024, 02:56:25 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on May 07, 2024, 02:54:00 PMQuote from: statto on May 07, 2024, 12:42:00 PMWhen will the fixture details be released for games w/c 18th May?
I'm guessing not until this time next week, but hopefully earlier.
Actually they are in that link I sent earlier. I just didnt scroll down far enough. :)
Great job thanks, couple decent games on gaago the saturday you would hope.
Derry away to Galway at 5:30 on a Saturday, taking the piss, that's some spin to come up the road again on the same nite.
Saturday 18th
All-Ireland SFC round 1
Galway v Derry, Pearse Stadium, 5.30pm - GAAGO
Mayo v Cavan, MacHale Park, 5pm
Clare v Cork, Cusack Park, 6pm
Kerry v Monaghan, Killarney, 3pm - GAAGO
Tailteann Cup round 2
Waterford v Kildare, Dungarvan, 5pm
Wexford v Antrim, Wexford Park, 4pm
Tipperary v Sligo, Semple Stadium, 2pm
Limerick v Offaly, Rathkeale, 3pm
London v Down, Ruislip, 6pm
Carlow v Fermanagh, Dr Cullen Park, 3pm
Sunday 19 May
Tailteann Cup round 2
Longford v Leitrim, Pearse Park, 2.30pm
Wicklow v Laois, Aughrim, 3pm - GAAGO
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 07, 2024, 04:12:39 PMDerry away to Galway at 5:30 on a Saturday, taking the piss, that's some spin to come up the road again on the same nite.
It could be worse. One problem now is that accommodation is expensive and hard to get. The Ulster winners are away to Cork on the June bank holiday weekend when there isn't an hotel room left in the place. It a fair oul drive from Armagh and a serious one from Donegal. The Ulster runners up get to go to Derry which might be a hard game but is less travel time for fans from DOnegal or Armagh.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 07, 2024, 08:32:25 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 07, 2024, 04:12:39 PMDerry away to Galway at 5:30 on a Saturday, taking the piss, that's some spin to come up the road again on the same nite.
It could be worse. One problem now is that accommodation is expensive and hard to get. The Ulster winners are away to Cork on the June bank holiday weekend when there isn't an hotel room left in the place. It a fair oul drive from Armagh and a serious one from Donegal. The Ulster runners up get to go to Derry which might be a hard game but is less travel time for fans from DOnegal or Armagh.
That Cork game is badly planned. Think someone was saying theres a few different events etc on in Cork that weekend so everywhere is booked out or extortionate.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2024, 09:19:20 PMQuote from: armaghniac on May 07, 2024, 08:32:25 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 07, 2024, 04:12:39 PMDerry away to Galway at 5:30 on a Saturday, taking the piss, that's some spin to come up the road again on the same nite.
It could be worse. One problem now is that accommodation is expensive and hard to get. The Ulster winners are away to Cork on the June bank holiday weekend when there isn't an hotel room left in the place. It a fair oul drive from Armagh and a serious one from Donegal. The Ulster runners up get to go to Derry which might be a hard game but is less travel time for fans from DOnegal or Armagh.
That Cork game is badly planned. Think someone was saying theres a few different events etc on in Cork that weekend so everywhere is booked out or extortionate.
Thee wasn't even a whole lot of accommodation in Cork at the league game in March, which was the weekend between Paddy's day and Easter and probably not the peak of the year.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 07, 2024, 09:27:36 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2024, 09:19:20 PMQuote from: armaghniac on May 07, 2024, 08:32:25 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 07, 2024, 04:12:39 PMDerry away to Galway at 5:30 on a Saturday, taking the piss, that's some spin to come up the road again on the same nite.
It could be worse. One problem now is that accommodation is expensive and hard to get. The Ulster winners are away to Cork on the June bank holiday weekend when there isn't an hotel room left in the place. It a fair oul drive from Armagh and a serious one from Donegal. The Ulster runners up get to go to Derry which might be a hard game but is less travel time for fans from DOnegal or Armagh.
That Cork game is badly planned. Think someone was saying theres a few different events etc on in Cork that weekend so everywhere is booked out or extortionate.
Thee wasn't even a whole lot of accommodation in Cork at the league game in March, which was the weekend between Paddy's day and Easter and probably not the peak of the year.
Awful spin to be doing in the one day
Would took 3:30pm on a Sunday instead a late Saturday time. A pair of them games should be put on a Sunday.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 07, 2024, 09:50:18 PMWould took 3:30pm on a Sunday instead a late Saturday time. A pair of them games should be put on a Sunday.
Hoping to have the Cork problem but sure we'll see on Sunday!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 07, 2024, 04:12:39 PMDerry away to Galway at 5:30 on a Saturday, taking the piss, that's some spin to come up the road again on the same nite.
What would be taking you up the road again?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 07, 2024, 09:50:18 PMWould took 3:30pm on a Sunday instead a late Saturday time. A pair of them games should be put on a Sunday.
Connacht are playing their final home game against Stormers in Galway on Saturday evening.. Kick-off: 5.05pm.
Traffic will be mental and there will be few places to stay!
Cause there a carload of us going, not related.And no intention of us staying over.
I see the GAA have launched series tickets today ... 50 euro for 3 games, but strangely, only Dublin have the option of juvenile tickets at 15 euro for 3 games ... I assume they will correct this and make juvenile tickets available to all counties.
Quote from: balladmaker on May 08, 2024, 11:40:18 AMI see the GAA have launched series tickets today ... 50 euro for 3 games, but strangely, only Dublin have the option of juvenile tickets at 15 euro for 3 games ... I assume they will correct this and make juvenile tickets available to all counties.
It was 25 euro per game last year with no package option at least they have used a bit of common sense this year.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 08, 2024, 03:52:56 PMQuote from: balladmaker on May 08, 2024, 11:40:18 AMI see the GAA have launched series tickets today ... 50 euro for 3 games, but strangely, only Dublin have the option of juvenile tickets at 15 euro for 3 games ... I assume they will correct this and make juvenile tickets available to all counties.
It was 25 euro per game last year with no package option at least they have used a bit of common sense this year.
I had the option of a juvenile ticket for the Derry games
Decent value
Quote from: JoG2 on May 08, 2024, 05:08:17 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 08, 2024, 03:52:56 PMQuote from: balladmaker on May 08, 2024, 11:40:18 AMI see the GAA have launched series tickets today ... 50 euro for 3 games, but strangely, only Dublin have the option of juvenile tickets at 15 euro for 3 games ... I assume they will correct this and make juvenile tickets available to all counties.
It was 25 euro per game last year with no package option at least they have used a bit of common sense this year.
I had the option of a juvenile ticket for the Derry games
Decent value
Yes, they've corrected it this afternoon, yes good value indeed.
Package Released today, why not when the tickets went on sale the other day. I got my ticket and another already.Useless disorganised bollacks as always.
From GAA.ie a blow for Derry.
QuoteDerry defender, Padraig McGrogan, has admitted he'll miss the rest of the season after rupturing a cruciate ligament in his right knee.
The Newbridge clubman sustained the injury in training on the Thursday after Derry's Ulster SFC quarter-final defeat to Donegal and hopes to undergo surgery next month.
A hugely consistent performer, his absence is a big blow to Derry's All-Ireland ambitions.
"There's no hiding it now, it was done a couple of weeks ago and it just is what it is," said McGrogan today.
"It was the ACL so I won't be taking part in much more now for this season.
"I just went to turn inside, and I just knew right away that I'd done something. It was just a freak accident. It can happen so easily. You never fear it, I felt 100pc the whole way through training and it just happened suddenly, it was just a freak thing.
"I knew right away it was fairly serious. There was a bit of a crunch, and the pain let me know there was something not right anyway."
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 07, 2024, 10:20:04 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 07, 2024, 04:12:39 PMDerry away to Galway at 5:30 on a Saturday, taking the piss, that's some spin to come up the road again on the same nite.
What would be taking you up the road again?
Derry people don't like spending money.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 09, 2024, 07:47:34 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on May 07, 2024, 10:20:04 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 07, 2024, 04:12:39 PMDerry away to Galway at 5:30 on a Saturday, taking the piss, that's some spin to come up the road again on the same nite.
What would be taking you up the road again?
Derry people don't like spending money.
Don't mind spending money, but I do mind being ripped off. Accommodation around Galway, especially if taking a family, is extortionate.
I'll pay my Gaago price before lining the pockets of some hotel or b&b who are sticking the arm in.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 10, 2024, 10:51:02 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on May 09, 2024, 07:47:34 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on May 07, 2024, 10:20:04 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 07, 2024, 04:12:39 PMDerry away to Galway at 5:30 on a Saturday, taking the piss, that's some spin to come up the road again on the same nite.
What would be taking you up the road again?
Derry people don't like spending money.
Don't mind spending money, but I do mind being ripped off. Accommodation around Galway, especially if taking a family, is extortionate.
I'll pay my Gaago price before lining the pockets of some hotel or b&b who are sticking the arm in.
They're hardly sticking the arm in because of some fans travelling from Derry that'll number in the low thousands.
You're looking at last minute hotels in the most popular getaway city in the country just when tourist and wedding (stags, hens) season is kicking into gear. If you booked in advance you'd have a chance of getting something reasonable. At a weeks notice? No chance
Government aren't helping matters by filling every hotel bed they can get their hands on with refugees
Quote from: Manning18 on May 11, 2024, 10:12:25 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on May 10, 2024, 10:51:02 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on May 09, 2024, 07:47:34 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on May 07, 2024, 10:20:04 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 07, 2024, 04:12:39 PMDerry away to Galway at 5:30 on a Saturday, taking the piss, that's some spin to come up the road again on the same nite.
What would be taking you up the road again?
Derry people don't like spending money.
Don't mind spending money, but I do mind being ripped off. Accommodation around Galway, especially if taking a family, is extortionate.
I'll pay my Gaago price before lining the pockets of some hotel or b&b who are sticking the arm in.
They're hardly sticking the arm in because of some fans travelling from Derry that'll number in the low thousands.
You're looking at last minute hotels in the most popular getaway city in the country just when tourist and wedding (stags, hens) season is kicking into gear. If you booked in advance you'd have a chance of getting something reasonable. At a weeks notice? No chance
Government aren't helping matters by filling every hotel bed they can get their hands on with refugees
Quote from: Manning18 on May 11, 2024, 10:12:25 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on May 10, 2024, 10:51:02 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on May 09, 2024, 07:47:34 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on May 07, 2024, 10:20:04 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 07, 2024, 04:12:39 PMDerry away to Galway at 5:30 on a Saturday, taking the piss, that's some spin to come up the road again on the same nite.
What would be taking you up the road again?
Derry people don't like spending money.
Don't mind spending money, but I do mind being ripped off. Accommodation around Galway, especially if taking a family, is extortionate.
I'll pay my Gaago price before lining the pockets of some hotel or b&b who are sticking the arm in.
They're hardly sticking the arm in because of some fans travelling from Derry that'll number in the low thousands.
You're looking at last minute hotels in the most popular getaway city in the country just when tourist and wedding (stags, hens) season is kicking into gear. If you booked in advance you'd have a chance of getting something reasonable. At a weeks notice? No chance
Government aren't helping matters by filling every hotel bed they can get their hands on with refugees
It is extortionate though and people are being ripped off the length and breadth of the country.
Looked at Hotel first time weekend was announced, Galway expensive at most times, and what's left mid may is too much. Driver going bck up the Road anyway.
A campervan would be some investment by the sounds of it
That's the makeup of the Groups decided
Galway, Armagh, Derry, Westmeath.
Dublin, Mayowestros, Rest of Ros, Cavan.
Donegal, Clare, Tyrone, Cork.
Kerry, Louth, Monaghan, Meath