I think the game is dying in front of us - Manus Boyle

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Rossfan

Well have no FOOTball till the fcuks throwball is abolished.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

lenny

Quote from: sid waddell on October 21, 2017, 11:51:46 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 21, 2017, 12:17:20 AM
There should be a restriction on amount of consecutive hand passes. They aren't going to abolish it obviously,  but cut it down.
Why bring in a rule that would favour massed defences?

And why make the referee's job even tougher than it already is?

A rule to restrict consecutive handpasses was brought in for the 1994/95 NFL. It was a disaster.

It would suit massed defences in terms of turning over the ball but it wouldn't suit them in terms of then taking the ball forward. Because all their players are close together massed defences work the ball out with short hand passing. A restriction on hand passes would force teams to keep players further up the pitch as an outlet for a kick pass.

sid waddell

Quote from: lenny on October 21, 2017, 12:19:26 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 21, 2017, 11:51:46 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 21, 2017, 12:17:20 AM
There should be a restriction on amount of consecutive hand passes. They aren't going to abolish it obviously,  but cut it down.
Why bring in a rule that would favour massed defences?

And why make the referee's job even tougher than it already is?

A rule to restrict consecutive handpasses was brought in for the 1994/95 NFL. It was a disaster.

It would suit massed defences in terms of turning over the ball but it wouldn't suit them in terms of then taking the ball forward. Because all their players are close together massed defences work the ball out with short hand passing. A restriction on hand passes would force teams to keep players further up the pitch as an outlet for a kick pass.
Here's a goal that was created with four straight handpasses. It was also a brilliantly creative move from one of the most brilliantly creative attacking teams ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCzJcfJ4h-4

Here's a goal that was created with six straight handpasses. It's generally thought of as one of the greatest goals in the history of the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEy9z1Ul_to

These goals, presumably, are the sort of things you and others who want to cut down on the handpass want to see outlawed.


lenny

Quote from: sid waddell on October 21, 2017, 12:48:12 PM
Quote from: lenny on October 21, 2017, 12:19:26 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 21, 2017, 11:51:46 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 21, 2017, 12:17:20 AM
There should be a restriction on amount of consecutive hand passes. They aren't going to abolish it obviously,  but cut it down.
Why bring in a rule that would favour massed defences?

And why make the referee's job even tougher than it already is?

A rule to restrict consecutive handpasses was brought in for the 1994/95 NFL. It was a disaster.

It would suit massed defences in terms of turning over the ball but it wouldn't suit them in terms of then taking the ball forward. Because all their players are close together massed defences work the ball out with short hand passing. A restriction on hand passes would force teams to keep players further up the pitch as an outlet for a kick pass.
Here's a goal that was created with four straight handpasses. It was also a brilliantly creative move from one of the most brilliantly creative attacking teams ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCzJcfJ4h-4

Here's a goal that was created with six straight handpasses. It's generally thought of as one of the greatest goals in the history of the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEy9z1Ul_to

These goals, presumably, are the sort of things you and others who want to cut down on the handpass want to see outlawed.

Just watched the first one. the james mccartan pass was a blatant throw and one of the other passes was questionable. Having said that I'd be doubtful whether restricting hand passes is workable in terms of referees or is even desirable in terms of the overall spectacle. Rule changes need to thought out carefully as there can be unintended consequences.

rodney trotter

Quote from: Rossfan on October 21, 2017, 12:04:05 PM
Well have no FOOTball till the fcuks throwball is abolished.

And how exactly would it be possible to play Gaelic without hand passing in some cases. It's not soccer where the ball is kept on the ground.

Fear ón Srath Bán

Quote from: Rossfan on October 21, 2017, 12:04:05 PM
Well have no FOOTball till the fcuks throwball is abolished.

Do you want to rename Rugby FOOTBALL too, even though moving the ball with the foot is the exception, rather than the rule?
Carlsberg don't do Gombeenocracies, but by jaysus if they did...

Rossfan

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 21, 2017, 01:15:40 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 21, 2017, 12:04:05 PM
Well have no FOOTball till the fcuks throwball is abolished.

Do you want to rename Rugby FOOTBALL too, even though moving the ball with the foot is the exception, rather than the rule?
I want to abolish fcukn Rubby!!!!!
Of course you can play Gaelic FOOTball  without handpassing.
Kick the bloody ball out if your bloody hands.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

manfromdelmonte

how do you encourage more kick passes?
open up the space
by limiting hand passes teams will just crowd the defensive half knowing teams have to kick the ball into it

blewuporstuffed

Quote from: Rossfan on October 21, 2017, 01:57:24 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 21, 2017, 01:15:40 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 21, 2017, 12:04:05 PM
Well have no FOOTball till the fcuks throwball is abolished.

Do you want to rename Rugby FOOTBALL too, even though moving the ball with the foot is the exception, rather than the rule?
I want to abolish fcukn Rubby!!!!!
Of course you can play Gaelic FOOTball  without handpassing.
Kick the bloody ball out if your bloody hands.
This is the most moronic argument for a rule change ever.
The game has always involved handpassing, removing it would fundamentally change the sport.
I can only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look good either

Syferus

Quote from: Rossfan on October 21, 2017, 01:57:24 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 21, 2017, 01:15:40 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 21, 2017, 12:04:05 PM
Well have no FOOTball till the fcuks throwball is abolished.

Do you want to rename Rugby FOOTBALL too, even though moving the ball with the foot is the exception, rather than the rule?
I want to abolish fcukn Rubby!!!!!
Of course you can play Gaelic FOOTball  without handpassing.
Kick the bloody ball out if your bloody hands.

Aimless kickpasses into men double marked is literally the most depressing aspect of the sport.

Fear ón Srath Bán

Quote from: Rossfan on October 21, 2017, 01:57:24 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 21, 2017, 01:15:40 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 21, 2017, 12:04:05 PM
Well have no FOOTball till the fcuks throwball is abolished.

Do you want to rename Rugby FOOTBALL too, even though moving the ball with the foot is the exception, rather than the rule?
I want to abolish fcukn Rubby!!!!!
Of course you can play Gaelic FOOTball  without handpassing.
Kick the bloody ball out if your bloody hands.

Possession is a key aspect of any ball sport, and to assume that compulsory kicking will solve anything is simply delusional.
Carlsberg don't do Gombeenocracies, but by jaysus if they did...

Rossfan

Ok let's make it official - ban kicking altogether sure it's only a nuisance getting  in the way of Ulster  throwball.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Rossfan

Quote from: Syferus on October 21, 2017, 03:15:55 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 21, 2017, 01:57:24 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 21, 2017, 01:15:40 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 21, 2017, 12:04:05 PM


Aimless kickpasses into men double marked is literally the most depressing aspect of the sport.
Why not kick it to the free man then? Or solo it till you draw a defender ( unless you're playing Ros who will let you continue your run till you score a goal).
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

BennyHarp

That was never a square ball!!

Syferus

#104
Because the free man is invariably sitting behind the ball carrier double covering the opposition's FF, Ross.