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No doubt. Its early yet.

Gay Byrne was good but plenty of big mistakes

Better tonight.

Paddy starting to settle in

Just an ominous stat for either Pomeroy or Coalisland.

Any team that has beaten us in recent years in the championship has been promoted. So by that logic Moy are goin up one way of the other.

Point of order though.

Costa del Moortown is further east than Ardboe.

Fair play was goin to make the same point. Sure they'd run into the battery if they thought it would guarantee them a win.

Moy by 4
Errigal trillick draw

[right minded unionist]

Would a right minded unionist not wonder about a nation on its doorstep building a sovereign wealth fund whilst their particular political representatives are telling them we better off with those lads across the qater that keep stabbing us in the back and all we have to do is go back to London and tell them you just need to keep handing us more charity money and it will be OK.

An oxymoron if ever there was one

Moron is well deserved here. I should have said protestant - moderate unionist?

Just a prod will do, by definition of Unionist, and if he's labels him/herself as a unionist then they'll take some changing to buy into an united Ireland

Fair point. Anyway surely a united Ireland vote be won by any right minded person.

Just need shib to hit a dollar .... then I'll have $4m

[right minded unionist]

Would a right minded unionist not wonder about a nation on its doorstep building a sovereign wealth fund whilst their particular political representatives are telling them we better off with those lads across the qater that keep stabbing us in the back and all we have to do is go back to London and tell them you just need to keep handing us more charity money and it will be OK.

An oxymoron if ever there was one

Moron is well deserved here. I should have said protestant - moderate unionist?

What happens if its a draw after normal time.  If you predict draw and then Errigal by 3 say would a draw and then a Trillick win still earn points? If you picked a draw and then a Trillick win by 3 if Trillick win by 3 in normal time does it pay out?

According to rules only results in normal time are considered so if u pick a draw and it comes up I guess its 22 points.

Open to thoughts on this

Would a right minded unionist not wonder about a nation on its doorstep building a sovereign wealth fund whilst their particular political representatives are telling them we better off with those lads across the qater that keep stabbing us in the back and all we have to do is go back to London and tell them you just need to keep handing us more charity money and it will be OK.

I totally agree with C4 that there's not enough evidence to decide either way. (Unlike you, who made up your mind immediately with no evidence and ignore all the evidence on one side and jump on the evidence on the other side).

What's the difference? You made up your mind based on one Israeli press conference.

Do you agree with Channel 4 that the version of events/evidence presented by Israel during that press conference looks likely to have been misleading and potentially falsified/fabricated? Do you still believe that they were being "open and transparent" about the attack in the press conference, which is what you immediately claimed after you watched it?

So, Hound? Given that Channel 4 have referenced expert opinion which suggests that the evidence relayed by the Israelis in their press conference about the hospital attack was misleading and potentially falsified/fabricated, do you stand by your belief that they were being "open and transparent" in said press conference?

Christ almighty, talk about getting hung up on one point.
As I said before, at that press conference the IDF were doing their best to be seen as open and transparent - they were providing information that could be rebutted or not, they took questions from both, what they would see as, friendly and unfriendly journalists. This was different than previous press conferences when they would only take questions (probably pre-approved) from select journalists.

Is it just the recordings that two 'independent Arab experts' have questioned that you are saying was fabricated, or is there more?  Those recordings always were very flimsy in terms of so called 'evidence' and hold no water either way. The site itself is key. From what I have seen, C4 have not said the evidence points to Israel doing it, they said they have not reached a conclusion. But if there is new stuff please share.

Here is the CNN analysis. Very thorough and still not completely conclusive. Lots of independent experts and not all yanks. I think if Israel did it, Hamas would have been able to produce evidence from the site, but still can't point either way for sure.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/21/middleeast/cnn-investigates-forensic-analysis-gaza-hospital-blast/index.html

I see the UK (who had been silent on it so far) have now said the evidence they have looked at points to the weapon that hit the hospital coming from Gaza and not from Israel. Wording used is 'likely' so still not absolute.

CNN took the Israeli line . So did Biden

The Israeli ambassador tried to convince Krishnan Guru Murthy that Israel didn't bomb the hospital.She justified her position citing Biden.

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1715052724952179075

I totally agree with C4 that there's not enough evidence to decide either way. (Unlike you, who made up your mind immediately with no evidence and ignore all the evidence on one side and jump on the evidence on the other side).

What's the difference? You made up your mind based on one Israeli press conference.

Do you agree with Channel 4 that the version of events/evidence presented by Israel during that press conference looks likely to have been misleading and potentially falsified/fabricated? Do you still believe that they were being "open and transparent" about the attack in the press conference, which is what you immediately claimed after you watched it?

So, Hound? Given that Channel 4 have referenced expert opinion which suggests that the evidence relayed by the Israelis in their press conference about the hospital attack was misleading and potentially falsified/fabricated, do you stand by your belief that they were being "open and transparent" in said press conference?

Christ almighty, talk about getting hung up on one point.
As I said before, at that press conference the IDF were doing their best to be seen as open and transparent - they were providing information that could be rebutted or not, they took questions from both, what they would see as, friendly and unfriendly journalists. This was different than previous press conferences when they would only take questions (probably pre-approved) from select journalists.

Is it just the recordings that two 'independent Arab experts' have questioned that you are saying was fabricated, or is there more?  Those recordings always were very flimsy in terms of so called 'evidence' and hold no water either way. The site itself is key. From what I have seen, C4 have not said the evidence points to Israel doing it, they said they have not reached a conclusion. But if there is new stuff please share.

Here is the CNN analysis. Very thorough and still not completely conclusive. Lots of independent experts and not all yanks. I think if Israel did it, Hamas would have been able to produce evidence from the site, but still can't point either way for sure.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/21/middleeast/cnn-investigates-forensic-analysis-gaza-hospital-blast/index.html

I see the UK (who had been silent on it so far) have now said the evidence they have looked at points to the weapon that hit the hospital coming from Gaza and not from Israel. Wording used is 'likely' so still not absolute.

CNN took the Israeli line . So did Biden

The Israeli ambassador tried to convince Krishnan Guru Murthy that Israel didn't bomb the hospital.She justified her position citing Biden.

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1715052724952179075

She argues about hamas killing their own. There is strong evidence to suggest that Israel killed a significant number of their own eople in the 7th Oct attacks. A tactic they have employed before.

They decided to shell buildings in kibbutzs where hamas where hiding out knowing they would kill plenty of their own citizens.

Terrible altogether.

Have deleted everything BBC I can at this stage.

Roy Keane

Lot of wind up going on. Although there does seem to be a great deal of excitement about Errigal's potential for breaking new ground in the all ireland club. The stuff about 4 clubs and Glencull / Ballygawley split are old hat and need to be left alone. Ill go on one thing.  They made a bag of mistakes against Glen last year and could have won the game.  They have a forward line and midfield that can trouble anyone.  They have ex county player Aidan Mc Crory in the full back along with Cormac Quinn current county player. They have the raw material.  I think they can stand up to Glen but might struggle against the likes of Kilcoo, games like that can often depend on the ref..

And sure can't Kilcoo pick the ref.

TBF winning back to back Tyrones is a massive achievement so if they do it they deserve great credit!

Trillick are loving this sort of chat

Errigal could end up a bit like Clonoe and have a load of All Ireland winners T-shirts 2024 that they can't shift.

Could sell them with the Cookstown Ones

Actually enjoyed the show last night first time i tuned in in a while

The IDF dude wouldn't give you any sympathy for the Israelis

Wee jamie repeating we didnt have stop watch out was weird as was his constant smirking

Suzanne Breen facial expressions about Jamie stole the show