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Title: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: bloody mary on December 16, 2018, 05:05:09 PM
It's getting interesting. Bellaghy qualified today to play St Eunan's in the semi-finals, while Crossmaglen will play Ballyholland in the other semi. Here's how Bellaghy won today against Inniskeen.. https://youtu.be/VdOWMQNgpG4 (https://youtu.be/VdOWMQNgpG4)
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Dougal Maguire on December 17, 2018, 10:06:05 PM
I can't understand how this meaningless excuse for a football tournament is still going on. Clubs have to pay to participate and are treated like crap. Games are played on a quagmire pitch in the depth of winter. There's no car parking and even less facilities. Was speaking to a lady from Inniskeen who was at the tournament. I warned her in advance what it was like but of course they delighted to have qualified. She's changed her tune now they've experienced it.
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: thewobbler on December 17, 2018, 10:30:30 PM
What really happened to you at the tournament dougal?
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Dougal Maguire on December 17, 2018, 10:56:50 PM
Jesus man I couldn't even start to tell you. In fact I can feel my old trouble coming on again even thinking about it again
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: restorepride on December 18, 2018, 12:28:48 AM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on December 17, 2018, 10:06:05 PM
I can't understand how this meaningless excuse for a football tournament is still going on. Clubs have to pay to participate and are treated like crap. Games are played on a quagmire pitch in the depth of winter. There's no car parking and even less facilities. Was speaking to a lady from Inniskeen who was at the tournament. I warned her in advance what it was like but of course they delighted to have qualified. She's changed her tune now they've experienced it.
Sounds like a very sore loser. 
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Dougal Maguire on December 18, 2018, 01:09:08 AM
Not at all. Fact is it's a meaningless competition which is really badly run at a venue and time which are both totally unsuitable. I remember when our team lost in the final they were put out of the dressing room and  made stand out in a sleet storm to watch the presentation. Some of the lads were just in their football socks. It was shocking. Obviously you guys are on a high cos you're still in it, and good luck to you. It's many years since we were there and I still remember it vividly so awful was it.
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Tyrdub on December 18, 2018, 11:05:37 AM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on December 18, 2018, 01:09:08 AM
Not at all. Fact is it's a meaningless competition which is really badly run at a venue and time which are both totally unsuitable. I remember when our team lost in the final they were put out of the dressing room and  made stand out in a sleet storm to watch the presentation. Some of the lads were just in their football socks. It was shocking. Obviously you guys are on a high cos you're still in it, and good luck to you. It's many years since we were there and I still remember it vividly so awful was it.

Better luck next year!
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Dougal Maguire on December 18, 2018, 12:33:37 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: thewobbler on December 18, 2018, 12:42:24 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on December 18, 2018, 01:09:08 AM
Not at all. Fact is it's a meaningless competition which is really badly run at a venue and time which are both totally unsuitable. I remember when our team lost in the final they were put out of the dressing room and  made stand out in a sleet storm to watch the presentation. Some of the lads were just in their football socks. It was shocking. Obviously you guys are on a high cos you're still in it, and good luck to you. It's many years since we were there and I still remember it vividly so awful was it.

The value/importance of a tournament is decided by the competitors and not the organisers.

From what I've seen this year, clubs will knock their pans in to win it.

You might need to redefine "meaningless".
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Dougal Maguire on December 18, 2018, 03:04:34 PM
No, I've no plans to do so. A meaningless tournament with no official standing. Akin to a friendly match. It's actually a danger to let children participate. When you compare it with the Feile you realise that there's no comparison.
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: AZOffaly on December 18, 2018, 03:12:48 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on December 18, 2018, 03:04:34 PM
No, I've no plans to do so. A meaningless tournament with no official standing. Akin to a friendly match. It's actually a danger to let children participate. When you compare it with the Feile you realise that there's no comparison.

We won this the year they made it an All Ireland competition to celebrate their Jubilee. Nemo Rangers and Dungiven were two of the other representatives. I disagree with your assessment :)
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on December 18, 2018, 03:21:35 PM
As regular participants in it I believe that it is an excellent competition and the teams involved in my experience have always had nothing but praise for the organisers. 
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: bloody mary on December 18, 2018, 05:14:28 PM
I think anyone who hasn't been up to St Paul's for a few years would be impressed by the improvement in facilities. There is a new terraced area for supporters which is really excellent, much better than before, no grassy banks any more, all concreted with shops, barriers, fencing, etc. There is also a new first-class all-weather warm-up area for teams, plus the pitch surface is vastly improved. The club will admit themselves that the pitch was a weak point in years gone by but they have worked very hard on it, plus several games have been played this year at Colaiste Feirste which is one of the best GAA facilities I have seen, both for spectators and players. In every interview, players and managers talk about the honour and excitement of playing in the Tournament, whether they are new to it, like Inniskeen last Sunday, or Bellaghy who are trying to emulate their previous generation who won it in the 1990s. It's quite incredible that the competition has been hosted every single year in all sorts of climate, both weather and political, since the early 1980s. The host club members have always stepped up to the plate, whether to clear snow or do umpires or whatever, year in year out, giving up their Boxing Day and New Year's Day. The tournament has also inspired an U-16 version in Dromore and an U-21 version in Creggan. But at the end of the day it's up to the players and clubs to take part or not, and every year they come from all parts of Ulster. In 2012, Kilcar left home at 6am to play and an unknown Paddy McBrearty banged in a great goal. 9 months later Paddy won the Sam Maguire. Not that it's all about winning. In fact, Kilcar lost that day. I do recall the Final where the presentation was made in awful conditions a few years ago, but that can happen and of course it is worse when you lose, but it is custom for losing teams to watch the presentation, no matter what the weather is. Half an hour later, everyone was sat down enjoying a 3-course meal in the clubhouse. By the way, it is an official competition, sanctioned by Ulster Council.
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: bloody mary on December 18, 2018, 05:18:24 PM
If you watch the first 10 seconds of this video from Sunday, I don't think you could call the pitch a quagmire..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBToTurjdKc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBToTurjdKc)
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: timmyot501 on December 18, 2018, 05:30:23 PM
That is some clip of Bellaghy breaking out of defence at speed (54 seconds in) and creating a goal chance.  Then a good save, a follow up block by Inniskeen No. 5 and finally recycled and popped over the bar.  (Of course under the new rules the shot at goal wouldn't happen as there was one hand pass too many)
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: bennydorano on December 18, 2018, 06:27:52 PM
Great tournament, been there numerous times, lucky enough to have watched us win one,  we've lost a couple of finals as well. I Thought it was powerful, but I wasn't involved in team prep and was likely well watered and fed in the clubhouse on each occasion.
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: OgraAnDun on December 18, 2018, 07:59:18 PM
Having played in it quite recently I think it's a great tournament. I think the Ulster council should take it over and run it off alongside the senior championship though. Having it at Christmas time is good for a spectator but it's a bit of a pain as a player!
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: thewobbler on December 18, 2018, 08:42:44 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 18, 2018, 07:59:18 PM
Having played in it quite recently I think it's a great tournament. I think the Ulster council should take it over and run it off alongside the senior championship though. Having it at Christmas time is good for a spectator but it's a bit of a pain as a player!

The tournament is run off in December to minimise conflict with MacRory Cup, Rannafast Cup and Ulster Club. It is the genuinely only sensible place for it in the calendar.
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Therealdonald on December 18, 2018, 09:29:49 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on December 18, 2018, 03:04:34 PM
No, I've no plans to do so. A meaningless tournament with no official standing. Akin to a friendly match. It's actually a danger to let children participate. When you compare it with the Feile you realise that there's no comparison.

Which Feile? The official 1 with loads of teams taking part? Or the unofficial 1 which is where the best teams play?
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: bennydorano on December 18, 2018, 09:40:35 PM
Who would be favourites now, any betting about? Derry hoors always hard beat.
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: restorepride on December 19, 2018, 06:31:32 PM
Quote from: bloody mary on December 18, 2018, 05:14:28 PM
I think anyone who hasn't been up to St Paul's for a few years would be impressed by the improvement in facilities. There is a new terraced area for supporters which is really excellent, much better than before, no grassy banks any more, all concreted with shops, barriers, fencing, etc. There is also a new first-class all-weather warm-up area for teams, plus the pitch surface is vastly improved. The club will admit themselves that the pitch was a weak point in years gone by but they have worked very hard on it, plus several games have been played this year at Colaiste Feirste which is one of the best GAA facilities I have seen, both for spectators and players. In every interview, players and managers talk about the honour and excitement of playing in the Tournament, whether they are new to it, like Inniskeen last Sunday, or Bellaghy who are trying to emulate their previous generation who won it in the 1990s. It's quite incredible that the competition has been hosted every single year in all sorts of climate, both weather and political, since the early 1980s. The host club members have always stepped up to the plate, whether to clear snow or do umpires or whatever, year in year out, giving up their Boxing Day and New Year's Day. The tournament has also inspired an U-16 version in Dromore and an U-21 version in Creggan. But at the end of the day it's up to the players and clubs to take part or not, and every year they come from all parts of Ulster. In 2012, Kilcar left home at 6am to play and an unknown Paddy McBrearty banged in a great goal. 9 months later Paddy won the Sam Maguire. Not that it's all about winning. In fact, Kilcar lost that day. I do recall the Final where the presentation was made in awful conditions a few years ago, but that can happen and of course it is worse when you lose, but it is custom for losing teams to watch the presentation, no matter what the weather is. Half an hour later, everyone was sat down enjoying a 3-course meal in the clubhouse. By the way, it is an official competition, sanctioned by Ulster Council.
A quare spake, Mary. Maith thú!
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: bloody mary on December 21, 2018, 07:35:08 AM
https://youtu.be/7Gd26I_Zr50 (https://youtu.be/7Gd26I_Zr50)
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Tyrdub on December 21, 2018, 09:41:12 AM
Quote from: restorepride on December 19, 2018, 06:31:32 PM
Quote from: bloody mary on December 18, 2018, 05:14:28 PM
I think anyone who hasn't been up to St Paul's for a few years would be impressed by the improvement in facilities. There is a new terraced area for supporters which is really excellent, much better than before, no grassy banks any more, all concreted with shops, barriers, fencing, etc. There is also a new first-class all-weather warm-up area for teams, plus the pitch surface is vastly improved. The club will admit themselves that the pitch was a weak point in years gone by but they have worked very hard on it, plus several games have been played this year at Colaiste Feirste which is one of the best GAA facilities I have seen, both for spectators and players. In every interview, players and managers talk about the honour and excitement of playing in the Tournament, whether they are new to it, like Inniskeen last Sunday, or Bellaghy who are trying to emulate their previous generation who won it in the 1990s. It's quite incredible that the competition has been hosted every single year in all sorts of climate, both weather and political, since the early 1980s. The host club members have always stepped up to the plate, whether to clear snow or do umpires or whatever, year in year out, giving up their Boxing Day and New Year's Day. The tournament has also inspired an U-16 version in Dromore and an U-21 version in Creggan. But at the end of the day it's up to the players and clubs to take part or not, and every year they come from all parts of Ulster. In 2012, Kilcar left home at 6am to play and an unknown Paddy McBrearty banged in a great goal. 9 months later Paddy won the Sam Maguire. Not that it's all about winning. In fact, Kilcar lost that day. I do recall the Final where the presentation was made in awful conditions a few years ago, but that can happen and of course it is worse when you lose, but it is custom for losing teams to watch the presentation, no matter what the weather is. Half an hour later, everyone was sat down enjoying a 3-course meal in the clubhouse. By the way, it is an official competition, sanctioned by Ulster Council.
A quare spake, Mary. Maith thú!

Here Here!!
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on December 23, 2018, 02:42:20 PM
Didn't make it but great to be back in the final here. It will be a tough ask to win it as the 2 other teams left are very ah day from what I believe but well done to our leads for even making it. 12 starters underage next year I believe so morning so bad!  Hard luck to Ballyholland
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: bloody mary on December 23, 2018, 04:00:36 PM
60 seconds of drama from today! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFhJhh-m9fo&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFhJhh-m9fo&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: imtommygunn on December 26, 2018, 02:46:39 PM
Really entertaining game today. Bellaghy 10-1 up at half time with st eunans lucky enough to even get a score then bellaghy end up winning by, i think, a point in the end and were lucky enough. A few mistakes at key times cost letterkenny. Not 100 % sure on final score but was something like 0-16 to 3-6.
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: bloody mary on December 26, 2018, 03:30:58 PM
St Eunan's were TEN points down, 0-11 to 0-1 & without a score from play, but they then hit these THREE goals in 10 minutes to lead Bellaghy but still lost their semi-final.. https://youtu.be/zq3ti57DL3s (https://youtu.be/zq3ti57DL3s)
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: bloody mary on December 30, 2018, 04:13:43 PM
Best Scores at St Paul's - See 11 terrific efforts, starting with Darragh Canavan but possibly ending with the winner in Peter McEniff from St Eunan's.. https://youtu.be/WTHtojnCzBM (https://youtu.be/WTHtojnCzBM)
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: imtommygunn on January 01, 2019, 01:58:40 PM
Bellaghy winning handy early in second half - 4-8 to 0-6.
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 01, 2019, 03:22:29 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 01, 2019, 01:58:40 PM
Bellaghy winning handy early in second half - 4-8 to 0-6.

That makes the Dunloy team look good!!
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: imtommygunn on January 01, 2019, 04:57:22 PM
I saw bellaghy in the semi though didn't go today. First half that day was as good as you would see from a minor team. I have went to quite a few games in that tournament over the years and never seen a team so well drilled. Minor teams are usually solid with a few good individuals without necessarily playing much in the way of systems but they have a system where everyone knows their part and their midfielder mcshane, ff cassidy and chf could do a lot of damage.
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 01, 2019, 05:53:46 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 01, 2019, 04:57:22 PM
I saw bellaghy in the semi though didn't go today. First half that day was as good as you would see from a minor team. I have went to quite a few games in that tournament over the years and never seen a team so well drilled. Minor teams are usually solid with a few good individuals without necessarily playing much in the way of systems but they have a system where everyone knows their part and their midfielder mcshane, ff cassidy and chf could do a lot of damage.

Bodes well for Bellaghy at senior then, the Glen team was an excellent outfit but so far it hasn't materialise into senior success but Bellaghy have Ulster tradition..
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: imtommygunn on January 01, 2019, 05:57:32 PM
I see some boy in the derry thread saying they are average and it is just an unofficial tournament  ;D

I would expect to see them maybe move the coach through with them to senior and bring the specific system etc they play through with them. I would be surprised if in the next few years they aren't pushing on a bit in senior.
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 01, 2019, 06:02:00 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 01, 2019, 05:57:32 PM
I see some boy in the derry thread saying they are average and it is just an unofficial tournament  ;D

I would expect to see them maybe move the coach through with them to senior and bring the specific system etc they play through with them. I would be surprised if in the next few years they aren't pushing on a bit in senior.

I thought Cassidy was the coach/manager
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: imtommygunn on January 01, 2019, 06:19:56 PM
Yeah. I could see him moving up to senior too. Not sure if he has managed their seniors before.
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 01, 2019, 06:51:48 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 01, 2019, 06:19:56 PM
Yeah. I could see him moving up to senior too. Not sure if he has managed their seniors before.

Be a few at Cargin hoping not!

He looks after a few teams, schools camogie minor and  senior!
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: imtommygunn on January 01, 2019, 06:57:45 PM
Oh yeah i forgot about cargin! I wonder is it his son at ff. He is some operator.
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: JoG2 on January 01, 2019, 06:59:08 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 01, 2019, 06:19:56 PM
Yeah. I could see him moving up to senior too. Not sure if he has managed their seniors before.

Is it not an unwritten rule to take money off your own club though? Cassidy has had a dozen or more years on the gravy train, can't see that changing for a while.
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: bloody mary on January 01, 2019, 09:02:16 PM
The Diamonds bridge the generation gap.. https://youtu.be/1E6EI94eODw (https://youtu.be/1E6EI94eODw)
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Hoof Hearted on January 02, 2019, 01:07:44 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 01, 2019, 06:57:45 PM
Oh yeah i forgot about cargin! I wonder is it his son at ff. He is some operator.

No it's his cousins son
Played at senior this year great potential
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: johnnycool on January 02, 2019, 11:55:02 AM
Quote from: bloody mary on January 01, 2019, 09:02:16 PM
The Diamonds bridge the generation gap.. https://youtu.be/1E6EI94eODw (https://youtu.be/1E6EI94eODw)

Are they twins?
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Hoof Hearted on January 02, 2019, 12:34:54 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 02, 2019, 11:55:02 AM
Quote from: bloody mary on January 01, 2019, 09:02:16 PM
The Diamonds bridge the generation gap.. https://youtu.be/1E6EI94eODw (https://youtu.be/1E6EI94eODw)

Are they twins?

No the cub on the left is only 15
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: screenexile on January 02, 2019, 03:03:13 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 01, 2019, 05:57:32 PM
I see some boy in the derry thread saying they are average and it is just an unofficial tournament  ;D

I would expect to see them maybe move the coach through with them to senior and bring the specific system etc they play through with them. I would be surprised if in the next few years they aren't pushing on a bit in senior.

Wind up merchants wouldn't put much stock in that . . . in fairness to Bellaghy it's a great achievement for them they would have been close to winning it last year as well only we managed to beat them in a very tight game!

I noted someone comparing it with Glen, Bellaghy's pedigree and the fact that there would be more focus and less distractions in the area may set them apart. Glen's biggest problem which Bellaghy will have as well is having to bring through so many young lads at one time. Slaughtneil were a great example while they had the nucleus of a good senior team they were able to bring through 2-3 lads from Minor teams that were competing with Glen at underage level which gave them a massive headstart.

Derry have a few good teams coming through the next few years hopefully we can get them to play for the county and get a bit of buzz around the county team again!
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: REDCOL on January 02, 2019, 05:38:24 PM
Who are the best prospects from this Bellaghy team. Reading reports Paul Cassidy and Conleth McShane seem like lads that can go on to play for county

Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 02, 2019, 10:15:57 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 02, 2019, 03:03:13 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 01, 2019, 05:57:32 PM
I see some boy in the derry thread saying they are average and it is just an unofficial tournament  ;D

I would expect to see them maybe move the coach through with them to senior and bring the specific system etc they play through with them. I would be surprised if in the next few years they aren't pushing on a bit in senior.

Wind up merchants wouldn't put much stock in that . . . in fairness to Bellaghy it's a great achievement for them they would have been close to winning it last year as well only we managed to beat them in a very tight game!

I noted someone comparing it with Glen, Bellaghy's pedigree and the fact that there would be more focus and less distractions in the area may set them apart. Glen's biggest problem which Bellaghy will have as well is having to bring through so many young lads at one time. Slaughtneil were a great example while they had the nucleus of a good senior team they were able to bring through 2-3 lads from Minor teams that were competing with Glen at underage level which gave them a massive headstart.

Derry have a few good teams coming through the next few years hopefully we can get them to play for the county and get a bit of buzz around the county team again!

The reason I mention Glen was their series of wins at this level NEVER materialised at senior as they don't have the pedigree like Bellaghy, bringing a squad of young lads straight on to senior won't help..

we won five in a row at minor and Under 21 but could only bring on bring on 2/3 per year although we could have brought more on based on their skill level but it worked for us. The problem was we lost a lot of good players who were very decent but we'd a winning formula with the squad we had..
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Newbridge Exile on January 04, 2019, 09:24:25 PM
Yep Emmet Bradley would probably be the oldest  and should be turning 26 this year
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: imtommygunn on January 04, 2019, 09:31:44 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 02, 2019, 10:15:57 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 02, 2019, 03:03:13 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 01, 2019, 05:57:32 PM
I see some boy in the derry thread saying they are average and it is just an unofficial tournament  ;D

I would expect to see them maybe move the coach through with them to senior and bring the specific system etc they play through with them. I would be surprised if in the next few years they aren't pushing on a bit in senior.

Wind up merchants wouldn't put much stock in that . . . in fairness to Bellaghy it's a great achievement for them they would have been close to winning it last year as well only we managed to beat them in a very tight game!

I noted someone comparing it with Glen, Bellaghy's pedigree and the fact that there would be more focus and less distractions in the area may set them apart. Glen's biggest problem which Bellaghy will have as well is having to bring through so many young lads at one time. Slaughtneil were a great example while they had the nucleus of a good senior team they were able to bring through 2-3 lads from Minor teams that were competing with Glen at underage level which gave them a massive headstart.

Derry have a few good teams coming through the next few years hopefully we can get them to play for the county and get a bit of buzz around the county team again!

The reason I mention Glen was their series of wins at this level NEVER materialised at senior as they don't have the pedigree like Bellaghy, bringing a squad of young lads straight on to senior won't help..

we won five in a row at minor and Under 21 but could only bring on bring on 2/3 per year although we could have brought more on based on their skill level but it worked for us. The problem was we lost a lot of good players who were very decent but we'd a winning formula with the squad we had..

St galls did reasonably big bang approach did they not? They had sean burns, mcrrory and kennedy in nets to name a few older ones but that first championship team had a load of young guys in it i thought? When i say a load i mean close to double figures? I would be interested to see the lineup but doubt I could find the program.
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2019, 10:11:04 PM
Simon Kennedy, Michael culbert, mccrorry, pat o'Connor big Darren sean burns Mc Shane Maguire Gerry mcclarnon  GAGa big Eunan


They would have been none of the youth players as such . Kel Kieran Chris McCann Brady would have been the older kids that day

They came quicker the following few years though
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: imtommygunn on January 04, 2019, 10:35:47 PM
Ah more than i remember. Didn't realise some of those boys you mentioned were on the 97(or 98 or whatever it was) team.
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2019, 11:07:17 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 04, 2019, 10:35:47 PM
Ah more than i remember. Didn't realise some of those boys you mentioned were on the 97(or 98 or whatever it was) team.

We'd a few Cracking players near their last last legs that held in there and they actually brought that team through as they'd won championships previously
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 05, 2019, 10:39:23 AM
Club pedigree definitely has a bearing on being able to bring through a significant group of players. We brought through 13 onto the senior panel over a period of 2 years who all won minor county over a 3 year period. 9 of that 13 regularly played in championship winning teams. That was the first group of us that came through but the consequence of that is that subsequently we were able to bring though 7-8 of any strong minor team after that and then 2-3 of the decent teams
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: bennydorano on September 21, 2021, 06:18:43 PM
Our boys did the business last night in the Armagh Minor Championship, wondering is there anybody in the know if St Paul"s plan to run their fantastic Ulster Minor Club tournament this year? (Assuming it would be U17)
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 21, 2021, 06:40:27 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on September 21, 2021, 06:18:43 PM
Our boys did the business last night in the Armagh Minor Championship, wondering is there anybody in the know if St Paul"s plan to run their fantastic Ulster Minor Club tournament this year? (Assuming it would be U17)

I would assume so and hopefully name it after one of its best players in Anto Finnegan
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: PMG1 on September 22, 2021, 12:34:01 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 21, 2021, 06:40:27 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on September 21, 2021, 06:18:43 PM
Our boys did the business last night in the Armagh Minor Championship, wondering is there anybody in the know if St Paul"s plan to run their fantastic Ulster Minor Club tournament this year? (Assuming it would be U17)

I would assume so and hopefully name it after one of its best players in Anto Finnegan
No Ulster underage tournaments this year as no room in the calendar as schools have priority over the winter
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 22, 2021, 11:16:56 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on September 21, 2021, 08:06:39 PM
As nice a sentiment as that would be, is it the done thing to remove someone's name from a cup?

Changing the name of the trophy from the Jimmy McConville cup would need to be something that that family would agree to of course, I probably jumped in with that thought too soon!
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: ONeill on December 27, 2022, 07:46:06 PM
Was down at Donaghmore v Four Masters.

Donaghmore seemed to be missing a couple of key men and were well beaten. Pulled it back to four at one stage in the second half but only seemed to have Noah Grimes as any threat up front.

Couple of big lads in that Four Masters side.
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Hoof Hearted on December 27, 2022, 07:59:35 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 27, 2022, 07:46:06 PM
Was down at Donaghmore v Four Masters.

Donaghmore seemed to be missing a couple of key men and were well beaten. Pulled it back to four at one stage in the second half but only seemed to have Noah Grimes as any threat up front.

Couple of big lads in that Four Masters side.

Masters haven't lost a game in championship football since u12 apparently
Big ask for Dungiven
But good luck to the magpies would seal a 3 in a row for derry counties
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Antrim Coaster on December 27, 2022, 10:10:07 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 27, 2022, 07:46:06 PM
Was down at Donaghmore v Four Masters.

Donaghmore seemed to be missing a couple of key men and were well beaten. Pulled it back to four at one stage in the second half but only seemed to have Noah Grimes as any threat up front.

Couple of big lads in that Four Masters side.

Minus the mullet
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Walter Cronc on December 28, 2022, 09:17:06 AM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on December 27, 2022, 07:59:35 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 27, 2022, 07:46:06 PM
Was down at Donaghmore v Four Masters.

Donaghmore seemed to be missing a couple of key men and were well beaten. Pulled it back to four at one stage in the second half but only seemed to have Noah Grimes as any threat up front.

Couple of big lads in that Four Masters side.

Masters haven't lost a game in championship football since u12 apparently
Big ask for Dungiven
But good luck to the magpies would seal a 3 in a row for derry counties

Fairly big Dungiven side too who won Derry fairly handy by all accounts. Good to see them back competitive. Derry football needs them!
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Silver hill on December 28, 2022, 10:39:53 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 02, 2019, 10:15:57 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 02, 2019, 03:03:13 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 01, 2019, 05:57:32 PM
I see some boy in the derry thread saying they are average and it is just an unofficial tournament  ;D

I would expect to see them maybe move the coach through with them to senior and bring the specific system etc they play through with them. I would be surprised if in the next few years they aren't pushing on a bit in senior.

Wind up merchants wouldn't put much stock in that . . . in fairness to Bellaghy it's a great achievement for them they would have been close to winning it last year as well only we managed to beat them in a very tight game!

I noted someone comparing it with Glen, Bellaghy's pedigree and the fact that there would be more focus and less distractions in the area may set them apart. Glen's biggest problem which Bellaghy will have as well is having to bring through so many young lads at one time. Slaughtneil were a great example while they had the nucleus of a good senior team they were able to bring through 2-3 lads from Minor teams that were competing with Glen at underage level which gave them a massive headstart.

Derry have a few good teams coming through the next few years hopefully we can get them to play for the county and get a bit of buzz around the county team again!

The reason I mention Glen was their series of wins at this level NEVER materialised at senior as they don't have the pedigree like Bellaghy, bringing a squad of young lads straight on to senior won't help..

we won five in a row at minor and Under 21 but could only bring on bring on 2/3 per year although we could have brought more on based on their skill level but it worked for us. The problem was we lost a lot of good players who were very decent but we'd a winning formula with the squad we had..

MR2, I was looking back on this thread and the NEVER about Glen caught my eye. We reached the club's first senior final in 19, only 5 years after our last victory in St Paul's. Slaughtneil beat us in the semi in 20 and we won the last 2 Derry championships. I agree it's more difficult for a club without history but it's not impossible, as we have proven. I haven't sat down and counted them but I'd guess 20+ of our current squad have winners medals from St. Paul's. Remember as well that the talisman was in Australia for 4 of the years as well. Him returning was a big jigsaw piece in our recent success.
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 28, 2022, 02:23:56 PM
That post was 2019, 3 years ago, the reason why I put it up was they were struggling to win at senior considering the success they had achieved at juvenile levels for so long, John Raffety was the catalyst for us and brought us to a level that we were able to believe..

That talent has now actually produced an Ulster title, maybe it was coming or maybe, like Kilcoo, needed Moran, Glen needed O'Rouke to be the manager to achieve this.. But not forgetting Glass also in that jigsaw.

But don't fall into the trap that we did in losing a sensational generational set of players without feeding in players but more importantly using the method that brought these players to where they are now so that you can continue to have future success.

Bellaghy, have that tradition as they have done it with different teams, Cross also with different teams, we done it in the 80's had some small success in Ulster in the 90's but got over the line in the noughties
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Silver hill on December 28, 2022, 02:47:11 PM
Agree that it needed a manager like o'Rourke (along with Ryan Porter) to push the first one over the line. And also agree that the time to redouble the effort is actually when you think you have reached the pinnacle. I've seen it happen before whereby people sit back once a big title or goal has been achieved.
Genetics and luck with the raw materials you have is also a big part!
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 28, 2022, 03:54:21 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on December 28, 2022, 02:47:11 PM
Agree that it needed a manager like o'Rourke (along with Ryan Porter) to push the first one over the line. And also agree that the time to redouble the effort is actually when you think you have reached the pinnacle. I've seen it happen before whereby people sit back once a big title or goal has been achieved.
Genetics and luck with the raw materials you have is also a big part!

Yes luck plays a part but as one famous sports person said " the harder i trained, the luckier I got" 

Put the effort in and you'll reap the rewards, the luck and breaks will follow.
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Hoof Hearted on January 01, 2023, 12:48:55 PM
https://fb.watch/hN9n60pKiE/
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: J70 on January 01, 2023, 01:33:58 PM
Thanks for the link!
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: J70 on January 01, 2023, 02:26:01 PM
Hard luck Four Masters.

That was a well worked goal at the end to win a tight match for Dungiven.
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Hoof Hearted on January 01, 2023, 02:31:50 PM
Nice way to start the year there, very enjoyable game
Well done to Dungiven, 3 in a row for derry, 18 in all I think
Four Masters first defeat in championship football at underage for those particular boys
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Gold on January 01, 2023, 02:35:11 PM
What was the score lads?
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on January 01, 2023, 02:37:20 PM
1 8 to 2 7
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 01, 2023, 03:33:50 PM
The defence for long periods in the second half for both teams were on top, very evenly matched

Well done to all the teams and of course St Paul's for running a great tournament
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Hoof Hearted on January 01, 2023, 04:52:33 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 01, 2023, 03:33:50 PM
The defence for long periods in the second half for both teams were on top, very evenly matched

Well done to all the teams and of course St Paul's for running a great tournament


Aye they run a good show
Some money spinner for them too
Tenner in I'd say, well it was 3 or 4 years ago anyway
Throw in the social club too - £££££
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Silver hill on January 01, 2023, 05:16:25 PM
Seven quid for the semis, not sure what it was today?
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Hoof Hearted on January 01, 2023, 05:19:16 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on January 01, 2023, 05:16:25 PM
Seven quid for the semis, not sure what it was today?

Probably 12 then, it was a fiver for the semi 4 years ago
Let's face it, if it was 20 quid in, nobody was going to turn and go home
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: LC on January 01, 2023, 05:27:35 PM
A great article in the Irish News yesterday by C O'K re the Dungiven minor team of 1990.  He mentioned Eunan O'Kane as the greatest player the world never saw, I heard about him years ago, apparently he was an unbelievable footballer.
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: tintin25 on January 01, 2023, 05:54:41 PM
Quote from: LC on January 01, 2023, 05:27:35 PM
A great article in the Irish News yesterday by C O'K re the Dungiven minor team of 1990.  He mentioned Eunan O'Kane as the greatest player the world never saw, I heard about him years ago, apparently he was an unbelievable footballer.

Sure every county probably has someone who could have been the worlds greatest
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Newbridge Exile on January 01, 2023, 06:13:04 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on January 01, 2023, 05:16:25 PM
Seven quid for the semis, not sure what it was today?
It was £10 today
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 01, 2023, 06:17:08 PM
If your club is playing in an Ulster final a tenner is cheap, ya bunch of cheapscates!!
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Hoof Hearted on January 01, 2023, 06:18:28 PM
Quote from: LC on January 01, 2023, 05:27:35 PM
A great article in the Irish News yesterday by C O'K re the Dungiven minor team of 1990.  He mentioned Eunan O'Kane as the greatest player the world never saw, I heard about him years ago, apparently he was an unbelievable footballer.

Wasn't great at his fact checking though
Had 4 clubs who won this tournament who haven't went on to win their senior county title afterwards

Kilrea
Saul
Rostrevor
Dungannon
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: imtommygunn on January 01, 2023, 07:07:20 PM
Quote from: LC on January 01, 2023, 05:27:35 PM
A great article in the Irish News yesterday by C O'K re the Dungiven minor team of 1990.  He mentioned Eunan O'Kane as the greatest player the world never saw, I heard about him years ago, apparently he was an unbelievable footballer.

Joyce and Donnelan were on the same schools team and apparently there was a boy on the team a good bit better than either of them. Never made it. A Rossa boy scored 7-1 in a minor county hurling final though admittedly did go to soccer. Quite a few of those kind of boys about.
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 01, 2023, 07:30:29 PM
O'Kane was the best fballer in Dungiven for a few years in a team with a no. Of county men at the time. Only lasted a few yrs, don't know if it was injury, too fond of drink or what hapoened him.
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Estimator on January 01, 2023, 07:32:32 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 01, 2023, 07:07:20 PM
Quote from: LC on January 01, 2023, 05:27:35 PM
A great article in the Irish News yesterday by C O'K re the Dungiven minor team of 1990.  He mentioned Eunan O'Kane as the greatest player the world never saw, I heard about him years ago, apparently he was an unbelievable footballer.

Joyce and Donnelan were on the same schools team and apparently there was a boy on the team a good bit better than either of them. Never made it. A Rossa boy scored 7-1 in a minor county hurling final though admittedly did go to soccer. Quite a few of those kind of boys about.
Sean Concannon. Had a superb game on Sean Marty Lockhart in the '94, Hogan final. Think he was in along with Joyce in the Galway management this year.
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Hoof Hearted on January 01, 2023, 07:34:59 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 01, 2023, 07:30:29 PM
O'Kane was the best fballer in Dungiven for a few years in a team with a no. Of county men at the time. Only lasted a few yrs, don't know if it was injury, too fond of drink or what hapoened him.

Ryan Murphy too at that time
Jerome kept calling the guy Murphy that all day, Oran i think he was
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Silver hill on January 01, 2023, 08:09:49 PM
Eunan was on a different planet as a footballer.
It came naturally to him and possibly a little too easy.
He was a free spirit and played the game with no inhibitions or worry about what people thought.
Came on as a sub in the 89 minor semi against Cavan with 12 mins to go and Derry 8 points down. Scored 2-2 and set up a goal to win it.
Think he won a senior championships with Dungiven in 91 but the comet began to fade shortly after that.
Not the best footballer I have ever seen but certainly the most talented. Anything was possible when he was on the ball.
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 01, 2023, 08:19:57 PM
Wasn't Sean, John. And yes he was the best fballer on that Galway minor team 94, think he was overage when Derry beat them the following year.
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: LeoMc on January 01, 2023, 08:44:28 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on January 01, 2023, 06:18:28 PM
Quote from: LC on January 01, 2023, 05:27:35 PM
A great article in the Irish News yesterday by C O'K re the Dungiven minor team of 1990.  He mentioned Eunan O'Kane as the greatest player the world never saw, I heard about him years ago, apparently he was an unbelievable footballer.

Wasn't great at his fact checking though
Had 4 clubs who won this tournament who haven't went on to win their senior county title afterwards

Kilrea
Saul
Rostrevor
Dungannon
Rostrevor won Senior in 98 and their Ulster minor 6 years later.
Dungannons Senior win was 31 years after their minor so I don't think there was much overlap.
Title: Re: 2018 Ulster Club Minor Tournament
Post by: bennydorano on January 03, 2023, 11:00:05 AM
We (Armagh Harps) won it in 2003, won our next SFC in 2017, a lot of the team were long gone but there were still a few knocking about. We got a trimming from Glen in 2011 final, backbone of our team in 2017.