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#1
Quote from: priceyreilly on October 01, 2019, 02:53:14 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 01, 2019, 01:49:03 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on October 01, 2019, 01:04:48 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 28, 2019, 12:04:49 AM
Yeah. So minor success has nothing to do with money, because Dubs never win minor.

But U20 is all about money, because Dubs are quite successful at that level. Except, when someone else wins it, it's nothing to do with money.

Maybe, it's just because we have the best players.
Maybe it's because Stephen Cluxton is the greatest keeper of all time.
Maybe it's because Stephen Cluxton is the hardest working goalkeeper of all time.
Maybe it's because Dean Rock is the best freetaker.
Maybe it's because Mannion and Con are just awesome

Kerry are going to knock us off our perch. But until then, either enjoy our brilliance , or suck it up

5 in a row. Never been done before. You have to hand it to the lads. Hard work.


This fella still spouting absolute sh1te. Dublin GAA have won about 110 Leinster, All Ireland and National league titles in women's football, men's football and hurling and men's underage football and hurling since 2001. They won 29 titles in the 18 years prior to this. This huge increase occured at the same time millions of euros was pumped into Dublin GAA. This is the reason for the increase. Don't believe the bullsh1t from fellas like this and others like the president of the GAA.

Pot, kettle, black. There have been many factors in dublin's improvement (including the points above) and success but unfortunately you refuse to acknowledge any of them and insist that funding for underage participation is the key to it all.

Are you not buzzin for the half dozen??

Damn straight I'm buzzin. The Dublin senior footballers are the key to bringing the house down. I've got some images for you to show why there is and always will be an asterisk beside all the tiles:








Sorry to be a stickler for detail but you left a whopping 67.5 million out of your Games Development Funding graph, as most of the funding is distributed via Provincial Councils to the counties. I think most people are aware of this but some people choose to ignore it for some reason.

#2
GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
August 13, 2019, 04:54:40 PM
That is a good balanced article, some good information. I'm sure McGonigle would also agree that the games development funding is also having a positive impact for other counties as well, seeing as Dublin receive approx 18% of the total GDF funds each year.

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McGONIGLE: To say the [games development] funding hasn't been a contributing factor would be wrong. But the population base is the big advantage. For every good GDO like a Paraic McDonald, you can have a bad GDO. For me, it's a numbers game. I remember once hearing that Russian boxing only needs one in 10,000 to become a world contender whereas Ireland needs one in every five. For a Derry or Monaghan to have a good county team, you need every club to produce a county player. In Dublin it only has to be one in every three clubs.

Maurs to me are more like a rural club. Yet they've brought through a Ciaran Reddin. If Conor Maguire was in Monaghan he'd be on their county panel. And now you have a Ciaran Archer.

My two years with Maurs, he was the first man there and last man to leave, all the time with a bag of footballs. The weekend Conor McManus kicked that wonder point up in Omagh out by the sideline, Ciaran kicked a better point for us against St Brigid's in a league match out in Rush. Our video analyst had it clipped and everything but we decided not to put it up on social media, that he didn't need to be put on a pedestal at that stage.

That score wasn't the product of a GDO or an AIG or any culture I created. He just has a work ethic, a willingness to learn and a love of the game.

And having good management teams at the top like Jim Gavin's or Pat Gilroy's helps. When you have success, everyone aspires. In the late '90s, early '00s, did everyone want to play for Dublin?

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McDONALD: The development squads would have started in '98. I remember sitting around the same table as Kevin Heffernan who was chairing the steering group to help get them up and running. At the time we would have been well behind the likes of Laois who would have had Sean Dempsey bringing through the Beano [McDonald] teams.

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McDONALD: A huge emphasis went on in Dublin into the club nurseries. In Kilmacud we could have 100 kids coming into the nursery every year. And we are lucky that it's very parent-led. It's not like a Castleblaney where you are relying on ex-players to come back down and take teams. In Kilmacud if we get 100 kids coming in, we get about 50 parents willing to help out.

And of those 50 parents, typically only 10 of them will have had previous GAA experience. If five of them have played hurling to any decent level, that would be doing well. The vast majority are coming from different sports or non-sporting backgrounds or different countries.

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McDONALD: There's a real coaching culture in Dublin now, similar to what Ulster had when I was coming through, playing football. It comes back down to the quality of people you have involved.

The Dublin development squads aren't better resourced than any other in the country but I know the people involved in their current U15 and U16 squads and the level of coaching those kids are getting exposed to is phenomenal. Just the level of attention to detail, the level of individual development they're getting.

Ger Lyons is overlooking them. Again, he's a volunteer, a teacher out in Lucan, but who has coached teams out in UCD with John Divilly and won Sigersons. I would have had him out in Crokes, taking a couple of the award level-one courses. It's the environment he creates, how he makes you feel.

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McELWEE: Everyone thinks 'Oh, they're only half an hour away from training.' It takes an hour to get across the M50!

25 September 2016; Dublin manager Gregory McGonigle during the Ladies Football All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Final match between Cork and Dublin at Croke Park in Dublin. Photo by Brendan Moran/Sportsfile
25 September 2016; Dublin manager Gregory McGonigle during the Ladies Football All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Final match between Cork and Dublin at Croke Park in Dublin. Photo by Brendan Moran/Sportsfile
When I finished my time with the Dublin U21s [the 2017 All-Ireland], we were still always begging for places to train, borrowing pitches off clubs. You could end up not training until nine o'clock, waiting for a club team to finish training, so you could borrow the use of their lights. So not everything was straightforward.

Should Dublin have a centre of excellence? Of course they should. Almost every other county in Ireland has. But at the same time that was part of building the grit. When you could be out in St Anne's in the snow and sleet on the side of a mountain because their club was kind enough to facilitate you. You mightn't get back home until 11.30 yet you'd see the boys out there and there wouldn't be a complaint.

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People don't like to admit it but other counties are being mismanaged. The financial mismanagement in Galway has been widely reported. Derry have appointed three treasurers in four years. Kerry ladies football has loads of good players but the structures aren't right at the top and there's a lot of internal fighting. Dublin are an example of good governance.
#3
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 18, 2019, 01:09:16 PM
Quote from: Tyrdub on July 18, 2019, 12:53:32 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 18, 2019, 10:51:46 AM
Quote from: Tyrdub on July 18, 2019, 10:05:54 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 18, 2019, 09:23:01 AM
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Quote from: J70 on July 17, 2019, 08:26:25 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 17, 2019, 07:42:51 AM
This game should be in Croke Park. That's the way the 'Super 8s' we're laid out. Cork this year, and Roscommon last year, would have had legitimate gripes about playing in Croke Park

Donegal played two away games last year, not Roscommon. Their game against Dublin in Croke Park was Dublin's home game. Their game against Tyrone was in Croke Park as a neutral venue.

Whereas Donegal's "neutral" game was against Dublin, in Croke Park, which is the same as us playing a neutral game in Ballybofey.
Where did you get this nonsense about "neutral games". There are no "neutral games" in the Super 8. Not a single one. There are home games, away games and Croke Park games.

From the moment the format was introduced, before the beginning of championship 2018, there has never been mention of a "neutral" round. There's a Croke Park round. It's disingenuous to pretend you thought it was a neutral round. It was clear in black and white from the day the vote was taken, that there was to be a home round, an away round and a Croke Park round. This ensured every quarter-finalist got a game in Croke Park. This is what the counties wanted and voted for.

From the beginning of the introduction of quarter-finals, the Leinster champions have always played their QF in Croker. Most of the time that's been Dublin and there's been no uproar. If there had been, then there may been some debate as to whether the round in Super 8s should be a neutral round rather than a Croke Park round, but there wasn't. It didn't come up. On the other hand, there has been uproar in the past when a provincial champion didn't get to play a game in Croke Park. Hence the Croke Park round was an automatic choice that everyone bought into at the time.

Should the semi finals and final be played at a neutral ground or in Croke Park?

Dublin moved the posts, they have now designated Croke Park as their home officially having played all NFL games there since 2011. The fairest and most natural thing is that all Dublin games in the Leinster and AI series bar the 2 finals should be played at a neutral venues same as every other team in Leinster and every team in the AI series. It's a mockery of the competition that 8 years later this hasn't been addressed.

no they didn't, I hate this sort of shit

Well how come they played their home game in Croke Park? Especially as you say they didn't.

No, I didn't say they never played their matches there, I meant they didn't nominate it, that decision was taken out of their hands.

Remember, at Congress last year there was a vote put to the floor. the counties, including yours, voted by a majority to keep Dublin's games in CP.

The decision wasn't taken out of their hands, they have to nominate a venue for the Super 8, Dublin officially nominated Croke Park. How stupid are Dublin supporters to consistently deny Croke Park as their home ground and that when they do they proclaim it makes no real difference contradicting numerous academic papers that constantly prove playing at home is an advantage.

It's not a fair competition simply when one team gets to play the vast majority their games at home. Imagine if Liverpool or Man City were told they could play 75% of their games at home, can imagine Pep or Klopp saying it's no real advantage, would they f**k!!!

Btw have Dublin ever looked to get the dimensions changed, have they ever even asked? I suspect Gavin has their training pitches marked out to the exact same dimensions as Croke Park.

The thing is the home teams who are the subjects of these academic studies would be benefiting from conditions that Dublin do not benefit from when playing in Croke Park:

1. The away team fans would have limited access to tickets, for example I think the prem league limits away fans to max 3000
2. They would be playing on a pitch that they can access and train on at any time they wish and that they can setup any way they like ( for example Klopp clearing the snow off one side of the pitch in Anfield this year)

Neither of these conditions are true for Dublin when they play at Croke Park so those studies are irrelevant. Yes they still benefit due to lack of travel and more familiarity with the pitch than their opponents due to playing league games there but not to the extent that teams playing true home games do.
#4
I definitely agree that Dublin should not be playing 2 Super 8 games in Croke Park as it is slightly beneficial to them, but it is an exaggeration to say that both these games in Croke Park are home fixtures. The game this weekend against Roscommon is not a home game. When Dublin played Tyrone away last year, Tyrone decided to alter the pitch dimensions in Healy Park to suit their playing style. Dublin don't have that option this weekend, they have no say in how the pitch is prepared or marked so it is not a home fixture. They also do not have open access to Croke Park for training whenever they want in the run up to this game as Roscommon and Tyrone do when preparing for their home fixtures in Hyde park and Healy park.
#5
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 01, 2019, 08:56:27 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 01, 2019, 08:07:07 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 01, 2019, 05:31:22 PM
Quote from: whitey on July 01, 2019, 04:54:09 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 01, 2019, 03:34:59 PM
Do Mayo fans seriously consider this boy to be a marquee forward? He's not in the same league as lads like Murphy or McManus. Would be a great shame to see him become all time top scorer on the back of hundreds of gimme frees.

I'd be interested to see how much he scored from play against Dublin versus the Goochs tally
Iwhy do people forget what Games are actually about that is the team that scores the most wins, And that's what cillian brings to mayo for years mayo had good team but no free taker and teams felt free to pull and drag them at no cost . Cillian is the the most effective forward in the country over the last 7 or 8 years and crucifies poor team whose  defenders 1st thought is to foul.

I agree with most of this except being the most effective forward in the country over the last 7/8 years. Surely rock has been more so?

Rock is actually two years older which I was amazed at, COC averages 7.1, Rock 5.2, Rock has played 10 games less (50 v 40) but is 150 points behind. I thought they would have been much more comparable because they are very similar

Anyone who questions COC just needs to look at this point and then f*k off and accept they know f**k all about f**k all when it comes to football

https://youtu.be/AHMVIKM7wCg

Thats 10 seconds away from the end of seven minutes of injury time and he kicks it from just inside the 45, for his 7th point in an all ireland final.

And if right was right he'd have been given the chance to kick his 8th when Small picked the ball clean off the ground

Sure that video you just linked to clearly shows Bastick got his foot under the ball when picking it up #deluded
#6
General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
May 12, 2019, 10:19:03 AM
Wasn't McGrath's call to keep the ball in play just before half time
#7
Here is the official response from MJ's estate:

https://mjjjusticeproject.wordpress....ing-neverland/

Watched the documentary last night, it is just the 2 lads telling their story, more of an interview than a documentary. Unless new evidence is found somewhere it is hard to see how they would ever win a case in court. You can see from the details in the estates response that the 2 lads credibility would be ripped to shreds quite easily.
#8
General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
March 07, 2019, 04:23:54 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 07, 2019, 10:20:01 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 07, 2019, 09:56:30 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 07, 2019, 09:53:09 AM
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Can't profess to love PSG too much, great win for United.

But to call that a penalty? In the last minute, of the biggest competition in the World?

Outrageous - Shambolic decision. PSG have been done here.....but will find sympathy in short supply one suspects.


Read the rules my friend. It was a cast iron definite penalty. Rules on handball were changed recently with introduction of VAR. If arms aren't by your side it's a penalty. Karma for Kimpembe after him somehow avoiding getting sent off in the first leg and then scoring to opener. You could see he knew it himself that it was a penalty.

Ah come on, the shot was going high and probably wide. There are rules, then there is common sense. You can't seriously say it was a penalty. Karma or not. I'd be very certain another ref does not give this. It'll be interesting to see the next UCL instance of this.

Here you go.

https://m.sport24.co.za/Soccer/International/ifab-redefine-handball-rule-among-other-law-changes-20190305

These rule changes don't come in until next season, quote from the article:

"The International Football Association Board (IFAB) has announced five major rule changes that will be implemented for the upcoming 2019/20 season"

Current rules still state that it must be a deliberate act and that the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence.

#9
GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
September 05, 2018, 04:47:41 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 04:30:10 PM

You do know conjecture is basing opinion around incomplete information.


Yes, what I am saying is that it is irrelevant which council the funding comes from. If you are currently saying Dublin are financially doped due to GD funding received you are doing so on incomplete information because you don't know how much any county receives in total GD funding.
#10
GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
September 05, 2018, 04:06:44 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 04, 2018, 05:08:10 PM
Because the Central Council funds show a massive proven disparity. You only have conjecture for Leinster Council, you are not very good at this debunking lark are you?

So ignoring the Provincial Council funding completely and forming conclusions based on a subset of GD funding distributed isn't conjecture? I think you will find it is.



#11
GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
September 05, 2018, 03:32:12 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 11:47:54 AM
Quote from: Falcao on September 05, 2018, 11:24:48 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 08:52:50 AM
Quote from: Falcao on September 04, 2018, 10:12:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 04, 2018, 05:08:10 PM

Debunk away so, enlighten us?

Counties receive dev funding from central and provincial councils. Ewans numbers only cover central council funding they ignore provincial council funding. 60% ( or approx 5m) of games dev funding is distributed via the provincial councils each year. Surely you cannot come to conclusions on funding based on only 40% of the data. If you apply for a mortgage you need to show the bank manager all of your accounts not just the one that makes your case look good.

Ewan uses this method as it suits his agenda because there is one key difference between Dublin and other counties. Dubs receive the bulk of their funding from central council, where as the opposite is true for the other counties, they all receive the majority of their funding from their provincial council. Therefore by just using central council funding the numbers are skewed misleadingly against Dublin.

The other thing he does to get his headline grabbing numbers is divide the total funding by no. of registered gaa players in the county. Which is also completely misleading as it is common knowledge that these funds are also used to coach non registered kids in schools.

Would you agree based on the above that his numbers are incorrect and have been debunked?

Show us the money, not anecdotal evidence. Show us the accounts and break it down you are are the one attempting a debunk, we have all seen the figures from Central Council so show us the Leinster Council Break down over the last 14 years. While you are at it, also show us where any county outside capital projects got direct governement funding for games development!

The figures from Leinster broken down by county are not available. As Ewan doesn't include these numbers, I don't need these numbers to debunk his. In his article he states that Dublin were given 16m in GD funding and Tyrone were given 560k. He doesn't state that this is Central council only or Provincial Council only, therefore he is saying these are the amounts of total GD funding received. I have already proved that this is incorrect so the numbers in his article have been proven to be false as it is a fact that all counties also receive GD funds from their provincial council.

How ridiculous is it to analyse one stream of the funding, come to final figures, not even disclose that these figures do not cover all funding distributed and state that this proves Dublin are financially doped.

I have seen figures from the Leinster Council for 2015 & 2016 where they have some details on games development funding. In these years they have 4.5m and 4.8m funding respectively. Both years have 240k assigned to Dublin Coaching Project, which is approx 5% of the total, leaving a whopping 8.8m that people seem to be presuming that the bulk of which, without any evidence whatsoever goes to Dublin.

You can't debunk something with conjecture, show us the Leinster Council figures, marry them to the Central Council figures which are available and show a clear ridiculous bias to Dublin.

Even take your 9.3 million from the Leinster Council, 480K of that was ring fenced for Dublin. So 5% already is unavailable to other counties, can you provide numerical evidence that none of that remaining 95% goes towards Dublin.

What we do know is that is over the last 14 years Dublin has received in excess including CC and LC funding of 1.5m a year. If you split for arguments sake 4.5m per year evenly between 11 counties at most each county gets 400K per year. So allowing for LC games development funding Dublin are still getting 4 times funding greater than any Leinster county all things being equal. And I doubt there was over 4m a year available to Leinster counties over the last 14 years.

Why is the bar set so high for me to prove Dublin have not been financially doped while you are willing to believe they are based on figures that have been shown to be incomplete and only cover a fraction of funding distributed? Did you ever ask Ewan MacKenna to include the provincial funding in his figures? Why not? Double Standards. No one has the Leinster Council figures broken down by county because they are not in the public domain. But there is 4 million plus funding there (maybe a bit less going back the 14 years) for the Leinster Council to distribute which would greatly change the funding per capita totals for each county.
#12
GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
September 05, 2018, 01:48:10 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 12:01:33 PM
Quote from: munchkin on September 05, 2018, 11:38:20 AM
so, Dublin have 2,060 club teams in total (adult+youth combined, from 2017 insurance report) and Longford have 211, but the argument is that both have 1 intercounty team so you ignore the amount of club work needed and just fund them equally ?

agh now seriously ! Even look at the amount of kids there are and the amount of coaching resources needed to cover them.

Maybe take the number of primary school kids as representative of the job of work that a county board has in training young players in schools. (Yes, some younger kids wont be trained, but as a comparison between a big county and a small county to work out ratios it is a reasonable start)
In Longford theres 5,365 kids in primary schools that the county board has to reach/ introduce the games to.
In Dublin theres 142,815 kids in primary schools that they are looking to expose to gaelic games.
That's 26 times more kids in Dublin than Longford, so to argue that both boards need equal (kids) development resources just because they have both 1 intercounty football team is a non argument.
Last year Dublin got €1.29million, Longford €120k in games development grants, 10 times more, yet they have 26 times more kids, so if you wanted to argue anything then Dublin could be said to be chronically underfunded per capita than the likes of Longford !

Compare it to Kildare instead (mentioned in the quoted article) where theres 29,748 school pupils, meaning Dublin has 4.8 times the amount of kids as Kildare. Kildare got €226k in central development grants last year, meaning that Dublin got 5.7 times the development grants that Kildare got - so in this case Dublin are over funded but not a 20 fold, 2000% difference like the article from Colm Keyes makes out.
(€40k extra for Kildare would leave them the same proportionate to the number of kids in their catchment )

CSO primary school stats : https://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire/SelectVarVal/Define.asp?maintable=EDA57&PLanguage=0

its interesting to see how you can use stats associated with the numbers of kids in each county, kids who are the actual target for all this development spending, and when you aren't a paid journalist being told to make a headline grabbing article against the Dubs (for a paper whose main sales are outside the capital), you can show that the funding for Dublin mightn't be as crazily imbalanced as some make out.

Dublin have 26times more kids than a small county like Longford, and that has to be factored in in some way or other when claiming they get too much.

The best argument yet I have seen to split Dublin into 4. They have the population of a province, the funding of a province yet still only have a pathway to 1 inter-county team.

Fingal GAA, Dun Laoghaire GAA, Dublin City GAA and South Dublin GAA need to become a reality.

But they don't have the playing population of a province or anywhere close
#13
GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
September 05, 2018, 01:42:44 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 05, 2018, 11:49:35 AM
QuoteCan you list the advantages that this Dublin team are getting from this unproven inequality to help them win the all-irelands? What have they got access to that their closest rivals - Kerry, Mayo and Tyrone don't have?

All players live in Dublin >> Not related to money

One to one access to nutritionists, dietitians, yoga(ians)(ists?) >> Not unique to Dublin

ditto physios and the like >> Not unique to Dublin

Meals delivered to their doors >> Not unique to Dublin: https://www.instagram.com/p/BYHGFZyAH9S/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=embed_loading_state_control

Cars >> Not unique to Dublin

The army

Access to early morning training sessions (again living in Dublin) >> Not related to Money or unique to Dublin

Full time life style coach >> Don't think they have anyone in this role full time at the moment, is it Bernard Dunne? He is the High Performance Director for Irish Boxing so couldn't be doing the life style coach role with Dublin full time

Access to sports science department in UCD >> Other top teams have access to excellent facilities as well

Close to sports injury clinic >> Not related to Money

No late night drives home after training sessions >> Not related to Money

All weather training facilities >> Not unique to Dublin

Unified training sessions, (the rest of us have to have a coach in Dublin training groups that can't afford to live / work at home) >> Not related to Money

Home games in the league are in Croker rather than Parnell park allowing Dublin free practice runs for the Championship >> Not related to Money

"Soft" jobs, in Dublin beside where they live. >> All Dublin players have full time jobs or study. Evidence is that players outside Dublin have soft jobs. Colm Cooper said himself he had it handy in the bank. Darren O'Sullivan and Karl Lacey both jacked in jobs in the past to concentrate more on their football

The Dubs are almost a full time professional team akin to an Aussie Rules outfit. >> No they work full time and train in their spare time, they are nothing like an Aussie Rules outfit, good that you included that one though as it shows that you are not interested in making a reasonable argument

Now, you list any advantages the other teams have over Dublin?
#14
GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
September 05, 2018, 11:25:31 AM
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An article from Colm Keyes in 2016 - he's probably just a bitter Meath man.

In 2015, the GAA, at central level, distributed €9.37m for games development. Strip out what they paid under this heading to the four provinces, Britain and overseas and Dublin's amount is 47pc of what's left for direct distribution among the 32 counties.


Why strip out what they paid to the four provinces?

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Coaches employed by Dublin are joint-funded - to the tune of half - by those clubs. For the rest of the country coaches are employed by the provinces.

Grants from Leinster Council, which received €1.7m from central funds to redistribute to its counties, are not factored into county distribution but under the heading 'Dublin coaching project' in the provincial body's most recent of accounts there's a further €241,050 set aside specifically for Dublin from a €4.5m coaching budget.

Cork, the next most populated county (519,000 compared to Dublin's 1.271m documented in the 2011 Census) received €74,000 for games development from central funds in 2015.

Even if their Munster Council coaching grants were greater than what Leinster provide for Dublin it couldn't come close to a what is a 20-fold central funding difference for a county with just two-and-a-half times the population. Kildare is one of the fastest areas of population growth (with Fingal and Meath) but for a 210,000 population they receive just €42,600 from central funds for games development. Again no relative shortfall, based on per capita figures, could be made up by provincial figures.

Basic maths will tell you that the shortfall, based on per capita, could easily be made up by the provincial figures. Dublins known total of 1.7m (1.46 plus the 240k) works out at 1.3 euro per capita (pop. 1.34m).
For Kildare to get 1.3 euro per capita (pop. 222k) they would need total funding of approx 290k. So they would need to be getting an additional 250k from the Leinster total of 4.5m. That is only about 6% of the Leinster total. I don't think it is a stretch to believe that they are getting at least 6% of that total if not more.

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When asked about Dublin's €1.46m compared to Leitrim's €39,000, GAA's director of finance Tom Ryan said provincial coaching grants created a "slight anomaly".
"An amount of the coaching revenue is diverted via the provinces so a specific amount that is going to Connacht, and is reported as Connacht in these numbers, is for the benefit of and spent in Leitrim as well directly so we're not quite comparing like with like."
Exactly, this is the point that people conveniently ignore.


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We have rehashed this over and over again, no amount of re-framing or fake news will change the the basic premise that Dublin GAA get the funding of a province while only fielding 1 inter-county football team and 2 inter-county hurling teams, not sure if Fingal are still playing. Approx 100 clubs in Dublin. Open to correction on clubs.

It's not rocket science, no matter what the metric, club members, registered player, per captia, number of clubs etc. Dublin are ridiculously over-funded.
Yes Dublin have been getting GD funding of a province because they have a population matching that of the other provinces. They have not been fielding multiple teams because they do not have the playing population matching that of a province. The main objective of the funding is to get more of the population in Dublin playing the game, if it has the desired effect and playing numbers grow down the line they will need to be split up and field 2 teams but the playing numbers in Dublin currently don't justify that.

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It's a blatant inequality that has at least an indirect, I believe a direct, influence on Dublin winning 6 of the last 8 Senior football All-Irelands and 4 of the last 8 u21 All-Irelands.
Can you list the advantages that this Dublin team are getting from this unproven inequality to help them win the all-irelands? What have they got access to that their closest rivals - Kerry, Mayo and Tyrone don't have?
#15
GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
September 05, 2018, 11:24:48 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 08:52:50 AM
Quote from: Falcao on September 04, 2018, 10:12:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 04, 2018, 05:08:10 PM

Debunk away so, enlighten us?

Counties receive dev funding from central and provincial councils. Ewans numbers only cover central council funding they ignore provincial council funding. 60% ( or approx 5m) of games dev funding is distributed via the provincial councils each year. Surely you cannot come to conclusions on funding based on only 40% of the data. If you apply for a mortgage you need to show the bank manager all of your accounts not just the one that makes your case look good.

Ewan uses this method as it suits his agenda because there is one key difference between Dublin and other counties. Dubs receive the bulk of their funding from central council, where as the opposite is true for the other counties, they all receive the majority of their funding from their provincial council. Therefore by just using central council funding the numbers are skewed misleadingly against Dublin.

The other thing he does to get his headline grabbing numbers is divide the total funding by no. of registered gaa players in the county. Which is also completely misleading as it is common knowledge that these funds are also used to coach non registered kids in schools.

Would you agree based on the above that his numbers are incorrect and have been debunked?

Show us the money, not anecdotal evidence. Show us the accounts and break it down you are are the one attempting a debunk, we have all seen the figures from Central Council so show us the Leinster Council Break down over the last 14 years. While you are at it, also show us where any county outside capital projects got direct governement funding for games development!

The figures from Leinster broken down by county are not available. As Ewan doesn't include these numbers, I don't need these numbers to debunk his. In his article he states that Dublin were given 16m in GD funding and Tyrone were given 560k. He doesn't state that this is Central council only or Provincial Council only, therefore he is saying these are the amounts of total GD funding received. I have already proved that this is incorrect so the numbers in his article have been proven to be false as it is a fact that all counties also receive GD funds from their provincial council.

How ridiculous is it to analyse one stream of the funding, come to final figures, not even disclose that these figures do not cover all funding distributed and state that this proves Dublin are financially doped.

I have seen figures from the Leinster Council for 2015 & 2016 where they have some details on games development funding. In these years they have 4.5m and 4.8m funding respectively. Both years have 240k assigned to Dublin Coaching Project, which is approx 5% of the total, leaving a whopping 8.8m that people seem to be presuming that the bulk of which, without any evidence whatsoever goes to Dublin.