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Ulster final has become more important now after today's group stage draw. Winner could reach the All Ireland semi final while it will be a real struggle for the loser to reach All Ireland quarter final.

Yeah said it before the draw, this final is the biggest game we've had in years. Will define this team and the McGeeney era. Win and we've finally beat a good team in a big game and won something and have a path to a semi final and beyond. Lose and we've bottled (as much as I hate using that word) another chance at silverware lost what I'd imagine will be another tight game and left ourselves a tough task at getting to a quarter final.

There is unfortunately a big lout element that follows Armagh, Lurgan is the biggest town in the county so proportionally has more louts. It is also geographically further for fans to travel to any other county ground in Ireland so the buckfast brigade get at least an extra half hour drinking time on the bus than anyone else. Thats not to say there are louts from every corner of the county, I've seen my fair share of hallions make fools of themselves and they're weren't Lurgan people.

Plenty of them from every county. I've seen loads of Donegal lads pished in Clones an hour before a game was due to start, and I'm sure people could tell stories about Donegal wans who were headwrecks to be beside. I've been at loads of games with Armagh people - never had a single bit of bother. On the contrary they were always a bit of craic and everyone wished each other the best afterwards no matter what the result.

Time to start turning a few of them away at the turnstiles.

Ah look I can say the same about people from any county- plenty of arseholes who (drunk or sober) will do nothing but shout abuse at players/officials and usually know as much about football as I do about brain surgery. Been at games with ones from other counties- yes even Tyrone who I've had the craic with and wished well for the next round.

Is there an argument to say the loser of Mayo/Galway would be at an advantage in the group stages?

Well they're most likely going to be in a prelim if they're in Dublins group. Armagh/Donegal and Derry are a fair bit stronger than Rossies and Cavan and Westmeath no pushovers.

Was in the O'Duffy Terrace with the family for the Ulster Final last year. Couldn't believe the amount of alcohol an Armagh fan in front of us managed to get into the ground. He'd a cool bag full of cans. Not that he needed any more ale.. he soaked everyone in his vicinity when Armagh equalised, shaking cans and spraying them everywhere.

Obviously no checking of the bags on the way in and stewards clearly didn't want to deal with it in any way.

Fair play to him for getting the drink in, garda were checking bags on the way up to the stadium last year and even though i wasnt drinking was made up the coat etc but maybe I'm just a dodgy looking fella!

The North Armagh ones can't drink for shite Not helped by that awful awful yappy accent that gets more and more annoying with the drink.

Having said that, I've not issue with ones taking drink before a match to an extent where they can enjoy themselves and cause no hassle, but theres always idiots taking it too far. Clowns fighting etc and taking away from other peoples enjoyment.

It's a whole load of games to whittle the number of teams down from 16 to 12. And when the draw is made you will be able to predict the 4 teams who will be eliminated with a fair degree of certainty. The main interest will centre around which teams top their groups. 

If the last 16 went to straight knock out or even a back door system where you can lose 1 game it'd be far better. Could end up with a group of Dublin, Donegal/Armagh, Derry and Cork which would be very strong. Obviously everyone will want to avoid the Connacht and Ulster runners up.

The state of Clones, the traffic/parking would probably put plenty off going. The football (in our game) was brutal but at least it was close, Tyrone and Donegal was decent.

Armagh and Donegal have played 140+ minutes of football this season with a single point separating them.

Yes, it's clear that it's Donegal's to lose.

Donegal maybe ever so slight favourites given the 2 championship games both have played. Both league games I don't think either team went all out and we've obviously gained Rian back who will be a massive help.

Is a draw at full time or after extra time? It'd be worth a bet I think!

After 70 minutes.

7/1 is some value. As long as theres no fecking penalties, although we have an actual goalkeeper this year so we've half a chance!

Apologies if it was mentioned earlier in thread but any update on Barry O'Hagan Down men? I know he is only back from bad injuries, hope he is alright

Well done Dublin. Gutsy underdog through to another final!

Odds

Paddy Power

Donegal 8/13
Armagh 6/5

Boyle Sports

Donegal 4/5
Armagh 11/8

Draw is 7/1

Odds

Paddy Power

Donegal 8/13
Armagh 6/5

Boyle Sports

Donegal 4/5
Armagh 11/8

Draw is 7/1

Is a draw at full time or after extra time? It'd be worth a bet I think!

Similar result and performance to the 2022 qualifier game would do

We need to improve big time from yesterday, it's definitely a 50/50 tight game. Hopefully we don't get too shite of a game and we play to our strengths rather than to suit the opposition like we normally do.

We were pathetic. Play like that against Donegal and it be 10 point hammering. I'd say Duffy will be in from the start the next day. Murnin, Soupy Turbo and others anonymous.

Cant agree with this. When the game came into the melting pot it was Murnin who made himself available to get out in front to win the ball to set up the winning score. Best player in armagh squad to do that. Never stops working. Just because he's not flashy doesn't mean he was anonymous. Armagh can take a lot away from yesterday. No need for panic

Didn't see enough of him. 0-0 from play from 6 starting forwards says it all tbh.

On a positive note a tight game sets us up better than another walkover and great to win one of those games for once. Rian is getting back to himself, great to see the subs make an impact.

The changes have definitely pushed this towards Tyrone.