The Many Faces of US Politics...

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sid waddell

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 30, 2020, 05:36:14 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 30, 2020, 02:30:41 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 30, 2020, 10:39:16 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 30, 2020, 07:39:53 AM
Quote from: Gmac on June 30, 2020, 02:07:55 AM
Any connection between protests and covid rise ? would that be off limits to criticize in current climate

No.  No connection.

Protests did not lead to spike in COVID-19 cases, study finds

COVID-19 has not surged in cities with big protests, but it has in states that reopened early. Here are some possible reasons.

Black Lives Matter Demonstrations Are Not A Big Factor In Oregon's COVID-19 Spike

Parties — Not Protests — Are Causing Spikes In Coronavirus
Amazingly enough those who care most about justice also tend to care most about behaving in a responsible manner while protesting.

The two sort of go together.

From the 1000's of videos of protests and subsequent riots (in some instances) it is pretty clear that 'protesting in a responsible manner' was not high up on the agenda of some

"Some" meaning the cops, no doubt.
If the cops stopped murdering, intimidating and rioting, maybe protestors wouldn't protest.

Eamonnca1

#17146
This heartbreaking story just gets worse. Not content with murdering the gentlest soul you could ever meet, they have the gall to gloat about it. How is this any different from the Gestapo?

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Colorado Police Officers Under Investigation For Photos At Elijah McClain Memorial
June 30, 202012:09 PM ET

The police department in Aurora, Colo., is investigating several officers who posed for photographs near the site where Elijah McClain was forcibly arrested as he walked home from a convenience store last summer. The site became a memorial to the 23-year-old who died in police custody. He was not suspected of committing any crime.

Interim Chief of Police Vanessa Wilson announced the investigation late Monday night, saying that when she learned about the photos on Thursday, she "immediately ordered Internal Affairs to make this investigation their top priority."

The photos came to light after an Aurora police officer reported them to the department's internal affairs unit. Summarizing that initial report, Wilson said that "multiple Aurora Police officers were depicted in photographs near the site where Elijah McClain died."

Wilson did not provide further details about the officers or the photographs. Reporter Brian Maass of local TV station CBS 4 described the images as showing officers reenacting the carotid restraint hold that was used on McClain.


The police chief released her statement confirming the internal investigation about an hour after Maass tweeted about the photos.

McClain was confronted by police on Aug. 24, after a man who was driving down the same street called 911 and reported a man who looked "sketchy."

At the time, "McClain was walking home from a local convenience store carrying a bottle of iced tea," as NPR's Vanessa Romo has reported. "He was wearing a ski mask and listening to music on the kind of headphones that fit snugly inside the ear."

McClain's family has said he sometimes wore a face mask because he felt cold due to anemia. Police body-cam footage from the encounter shows McClain pleading with the officers, "I was just going home. I don't have a gun. I don't do that stuff. I don't even kill flies. I don't even eat meat."

He is pinned down for several minutes in a carotid hold.

A medic with the Aurora Fire Rescue later injected McClain with ketamine to calm him. McClain was put into an ambulance and suffered cardiac arrest en route to the hospital. He was taken off life support on Aug. 30.

Last week, Colorado Gov. Jared Polis took the rare step of ordering a new investigation into McClain's death, telling Attorney General Phil Weiser to prosecute the case if the facts warrant criminal charges.

The governor acted after millions of people signed a petition calling for an independent look into McClain's death.

"They murdered him. They are bullies with badges," McClain's mother, Sheneen McClain, said of the Aurora police in an interview with CBS News.

In February, the Aurora Police Department cleared the three officers involved in the fatal encounter — Nathan Woodyard, Jason Rosenblatt and Randy Roedema.

Adams County District Attorney Dave Young also declined to file criminal charges, saying that while he might agree with those who say McClain's death was avoidable, he did not believe the evidence and circumstances would support a criminal case.

McClain's death has come under renewed scrutiny in recent weeks, as mass protests have focused public outrage over police killings of Blacks and other minorities.

Chief Wilson said that when the internal investigation into the photos began, the officers involved were switched into "non-enforcement capacities." They are currently on administrative leave with pay.

The internal affairs unit finished its investigation Monday night, Wilson said. She pledged that her department would release all materials related to the inquiry.

"This will include reports, photographic evidence obtained, officer's names, and my final determination which can rise to the level of termination," Wilson said.

The pattern is so predictable it's not even funny.


  • A black man acts slightly different from the norm.

  • A white person gets freaked out and calls the cops.

  • Cops show up and get rough with their victim, who has not done anything illegal, and who has underlying medical conditions.

  • The victim dies.

  • Police investigate themselves and clear their buddies of any wrongdoing.

  • Prosecutors, who have a cozy relationship with police, decline to prosecute despite  glaring evidence that would have seen a private citizen locked up without bail if they had done the same thing.


In cases like George Floyd, conservatives dig into the victim's past to find wrongdoing, implying that the extra-judicial killing was justified. How can they do this in the case of Elijah McClain? He was on the autistic spectrum. He wore a mask to stay warm because of his anemia. He was listening to music and dancing as he walked, which, the last time I checked, was not illegal.

He was not a thug. He was not a criminal. He was an innocent. He would go to the local animal shelter and play the violin to sooth lonely homeless kittens.

His last words were:



Let's see your ifs, buts, "there must be more to the story" claims, and justification for this, evil Nazis.


Eamonnca1

Show us your evidence, Gmac. The National Enquirer and Fox News don't count.

Gmac

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 30, 2020, 11:42:40 PM
Show us your evidence, Gmac. The National Enquirer and Fox News don't count.
hundreds of thousands of people protesting and it doesn't cause a spike ?, Austin , Los Angeles spikes started around June 15th, the media are all in on Biden the blm movement and anything anti trump so I really don't believe what they say but you can look it up yourself .

Eamonnca1

Quote from: Gmac on July 01, 2020, 01:06:06 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 30, 2020, 11:42:40 PM
Show us your evidence, Gmac. The National Enquirer and Fox News don't count.
hundreds of thousands of people protesting and it doesn't cause a spike ?, Austin , Los Angeles spikes started around June 15th, the media are all in on Biden the blm movement and anything anti trump so I really don't believe what they say but you can look it up yourself .

Show us your evidence, Gmac. The National Enquirer and Fox News don't count.

Eamonnca1


Gmac

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on July 01, 2020, 02:00:28 AM

states there eamon not cities , Austin a liberal utopia has the highest positivity rate in country Los Angeles running out of icu beds , hog beds of protests

Oraisteach

Eamonn, I see that the graph is from Johns Hopkins, but where did you find it in the first place? All the best from Florida, realm of DeInsanity, he who is slow to close and quick to open, like a willing date with syphilis.

Gmac

Quote from: Oraisteach on July 01, 2020, 04:09:25 AM
Eamonn, I see that the graph is from Johns Hopkins, but where did you find it in the first place? All the best from Florida, realm of DeInsanity, he who is slow to close and quick to open, like a willing date with syphilis.
3500 deaths with a huge elderly population you are safer there than alot of other places, you got any pet  name for cuomo ? Granny killer ?

Oraisteach

Wasn't expecting you to jump in, Gmac.  All I have is DeSantis's smug boast: "Part of the reason is that because you got a lot of people in your profession who waxed poetically for weeks and weeks about how Florida was going to be just like New York, wait two weeks and Florida's going to be next just like Italy, wait two weeks. Well hell, we're eight weeks away from that and it hasn't happened,"
Well, it has happened. Just about 10,000 new cases a day, and soaring. My son lives in New York, and I'm glad he does because the "granny killer" has managed to bend the curve sharply downward. I, an over 65 yr old with a serious chronic progressive disease, do not feel at all comforted by the inept mismanagement of the Trump-puppet we have as governor.

J70

Quote from: Gmac on July 01, 2020, 01:06:06 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 30, 2020, 11:42:40 PM
Show us your evidence, Gmac. The National Enquirer and Fox News don't count.
hundreds of thousands of people protesting and it doesn't cause a spike ?, Austin , Los Angeles spikes started around June 15th, the media are all in on Biden the blm movement and anything anti trump so I really don't believe what they say but you can look it up yourself .

We should be seeing these spikes already or soon then in most cities and states where protests took place then, no?

J70

Quote from: whitey on June 29, 2020, 03:37:20 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 29, 2020, 03:09:02 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 29, 2020, 03:04:51 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 29, 2020, 03:01:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 29, 2020, 02:42:48 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 29, 2020, 02:34:28 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 29, 2020, 01:04:16 PM
So Trump may win because of Chicago and an isolated spike in violence in parts of NYC?

Are you not confirming Main Street's point whitey?

Also are the Democrats not the party of gun control? Surely it's the President/Republican Party's fault that these guns are still out there killing people?

ILLEGAL guns are killing people

Gun control is off the docket for the 2020 election thanks to the Democrats

The GOP are bought and paid for by the NRA, gun control has been off the table for years, but its all the Dems fault, as usual with you! ;D

Letting mobs run unchecked through middle class neighborhoods is not a winning strategy IMHO

Private individuals having to use legally held firearms to protect themselves and their properties from mobs of looters and hooligans and crickets from the Democrats

Is this another Boston-area single event anecdote?

Believe what you want

What did you think of the mob pelting the NYPD with bottles over the weekend when they were responding to a shooting?

Its not a matter of believing what I want.

You're the one, as usual, making the bold claims and then complaining when questioned on it.

As for the Harlem incident, I think it was disturbing. I would imagine most people find it disturbing, whether they're reactionary right wingers demanding absolute respect for all police, no matter what, or black residents fed up with the conduct, tactics and strategies of the police in their neighbourhoods.

J70


whitey

Quote from: J70 on July 01, 2020, 11:22:02 AM
Quote from: whitey on June 29, 2020, 03:37:20 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 29, 2020, 03:09:02 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 29, 2020, 03:04:51 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 29, 2020, 03:01:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 29, 2020, 02:42:48 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 29, 2020, 02:34:28 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 29, 2020, 01:04:16 PM
So Trump may win because of Chicago and an isolated spike in violence in parts of NYC?

Are you not confirming Main Street's point whitey?

Also are the Democrats not the party of gun control? Surely it's the President/Republican Party's fault that these guns are still out there killing people?

ILLEGAL guns are killing people

Gun control is off the docket for the 2020 election thanks to the Democrats

The GOP are bought and paid for by the NRA, gun control has been off the table for years, but its all the Dems fault, as usual with you! ;D

Letting mobs run unchecked through middle class neighborhoods is not a winning strategy IMHO

Private individuals having to use legally held firearms to protect themselves and their properties from mobs of looters and hooligans and crickets from the Democrats

Is this another Boston-area single event anecdote?

Believe what you want

What did you think of the mob pelting the NYPD with bottles over the weekend when they were responding to a shooting?

Its not a matter of believing what I want.

You're the one, as usual, making the bold claims and then complaining when questioned on it.

As for the Harlem incident, I think it was disturbing. I would imagine most people find it disturbing, whether they're reactionary right wingers demanding absolute respect for all police, no matter what, or black residents fed up with the conduct, tactics and strategies of the police in their neighbourhoods.

A serious breakdown in law and order is developing

A felon with a gun in Boston-cops surrounded by a mob while trying to arrest him

Shooting in NYC-cops pelted with bottles while trying to respond

And now this one from Connecticut-

https://www.fox61.com/mobile/article/news/local/wethersfield-police-release-video-details-to-put-social-media-of-arrest-in-context/520-16aaa331-0556-4c9d-a54f-ea116c092b38?fbclid=IwAR2M6KKUhN95VrlEt7srBBaXj7gZKtFaKYepmFNs1irdaRtC59fUj653698