Whats the general opinion here, it'll be a nice game to watch with mayo having too much class, experience and cuteness for tipp and win while holding us at arms lenght. To be honest thats how i see it, i hope we give a good account of ourselves, a shock isnt beyond us but thats exactly what it will be, a massive shock
Mayo will be massive favourities for this.
Mayo will struggle with that.
Tipp remind me of Fermanagh in 04.
On a great run and just enjoy every minute of it.
Nothing to lose here at all and a great chance to make an all Ireland final.
We played Mayo in the semi final in 04 and got beat after a replay.
We should have won the first day.
Mayo though they were nailed on after beating Tyrone in a quarter final that day as well.
That's 12 years ago... Mayo are a different animal now. Yesterday proved that.
In 2004 Mayo beat the reigning All Ireland champions.
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on August 07, 2016, 11:01:35 AM
That's 12 years ago... Mayo are a different animal now. Yesterday proved that.
Mayo are the same Mayo they've always been.
It's a bit like an elegant garden dance between 2 virgins.
Quote from: rrhf on August 07, 2016, 11:17:02 AM
It's a bit like an elegant garden dance between 2 virgins.
Lets not forget that tipp have won more senior football all irelands than both tyrone and mayo ;)
In isolation I'd love to see Tipp win this match (and for all neutrals) but for a competitive AI final I think Mayo have a punchers chance against either Dublin or Kerry whereas I'd fear for Tipperary. Based on the form of 2012/13/14 & 15 Mayo still have a fighting chance of winning an AI as they came within a hare's breath each year of winning Sam, so I don't think there is any comparision with a Mayo team of 12 years ago. This is a much better side. Tipp will need there 2 inside men to strike form again and score at least 2 goals. It will be interesting to see will Mayo set up defensively again the next day. Tipp have nothing to lose and it will be interesting to see how Mayo handle the pressure that being strong favourites carries.
Quote from: rrhf on August 07, 2016, 11:17:02 AM
It's a bit like an elegant garden dance between 2 virgins.
That's a Brollyesque quote if ever I heard one ;D
Tipp beat Galway by 10 points or so. Galway beat Mayo by 3. Just saying like... Plus I think the mood in the county will be like previous to the Galway match. Anything can happen.
Quote from: tippabu on August 07, 2016, 10:48:50 AM
Whats the general opinion here, it'll be a nice game to watch with mayo having too much class, experience and cuteness for tipp and win while holding us at arms lenght. To be honest thats how i see it, i hope we give a good account of ourselves, a shock isnt beyond us but thats exactly what it will be, a massive shock
I remember saying much the same thing when Dublin met Donegal in the 1992 AIF.
Mayo have been working on their system for years. I can't see a repeat of the qf happening.
Quote from: Syferus on August 07, 2016, 11:13:08 AM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on August 07, 2016, 11:01:35 AM
That's 12 years ago... Mayo are a different animal now. Yesterday proved that.
Mayo are the same Mayo they've always been.
6 semi finals on the trot would give the lie to that sweeping statement.
Quote from: Chimley on August 07, 2016, 03:40:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 07, 2016, 11:13:08 AM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on August 07, 2016, 11:01:35 AM
That's 12 years ago... Mayo are a different animal now. Yesterday proved that.
Mayo are the same Mayo they've always been.
6 semi finals on the trot would give the lie to that sweeping statement.
0 AIs puts a full stop at the end of my statement.
Mayo have always been challenging since 1989 - eight AI finals well spread over that period, only a few less than Kerry have had, as it happens - but the lie we were told was Horan changed the Mayo psyche in a meaningful way, well, time and results have proven that incorrect.
Jsus you post awful rubbish ,Syf. Go take a long walk for yourself .
If I was a Mayo person then I would be confident that this could be the year for ye because Syferus doesn't think Mayo will win it, as we have seen pretty much every time in the past the opposite happens to what Syferus reckons.
Mayo will take Tipp fairly handily. They're at a level above that but unfortunately still a level below the moneybags, who will dispense of Kerry in the last 10.
Quote from: maigheo on August 07, 2016, 04:14:06 PM
Jsus you post awful rubbish ,Syf. Go take a long walk for yourself .
Stating actual facts is what passes as rubbish to you. Don't shoot the messenger because you don't like the message.
I'd be very surprised if Mayo don't win this.
I honestly think Galway made Tipp look a lot better than they actually are.
Quote from: galwayman on August 07, 2016, 04:39:12 PM
I'd be very surprised if Mayo don't win this.
I honestly think Galway made Tipp look a lot better than they actually are.
Galway not as good as Roscommon made them look in that replay and the Galway players probably lost the run of themselves before the Tipp game.
Mayo are going to be fully focussed for this game. Tipp won't get the same joy in midfield and their three key forwards against Galway will struggle for scores from play against the Mayo blanket.
Quote from: Syferus on August 07, 2016, 03:44:01 PM
Quote from: Chimley on August 07, 2016, 03:40:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 07, 2016, 11:13:08 AM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on August 07, 2016, 11:01:35 AM
That's 12 years ago... Mayo are a different animal now. Yesterday proved that.
Mayo are the same Mayo they've always been.
6 semi finals on the trot would give the lie to that sweeping statement.
0 AIs puts a full stop at the end of my statement.
Mayo have always been challenging since 1989 - eight AI finals well spread over that period, only a few less than Kerry have had, as it happens - but the lie we were told was Horan changed the Mayo psyche in a meaningful way, well, time and results have proven that incorrect.
Is All Irelands your barometer Syf?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 07, 2016, 03:06:21 PM
Tipp beat Galway by 10 points or so.
9 points not 10 thank you very much! :-[
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 07, 2016, 05:41:36 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 07, 2016, 03:44:01 PM
Quote from: Chimley on August 07, 2016, 03:40:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 07, 2016, 11:13:08 AM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on August 07, 2016, 11:01:35 AM
That's 12 years ago... Mayo are a different animal now. Yesterday proved that.
Mayo are the same Mayo they've always been.
6 semi finals on the trot would give the lie to that sweeping statement.
0 AIs puts a full stop at the end of my statement.
Mayo have always been challenging since 1989 - eight AI finals well spread over that period, only a few less than Kerry have had, as it happens - but the lie we were told was Horan changed the Mayo psyche in a meaningful way, well, time and results have proven that incorrect.
Is All Irelands your barometer Syf?
For a changed Mayo, yeah. Mayo made finals before the run that ended against Galway, they'll made them after it too. That's never been Mayo's real problem, has it?
The GAA neutral world will be hoping this Tipperary fairytale season continues with another win against the odds in this game. 2016 has been the year of team sport underdogs why not one more? Football GAA championship has been crying out for a underdog story like this for years.
Quote from: Syferus on August 07, 2016, 05:58:24 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 07, 2016, 05:41:36 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 07, 2016, 03:44:01 PM
Quote from: Chimley on August 07, 2016, 03:40:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 07, 2016, 11:13:08 AM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on August 07, 2016, 11:01:35 AM
That's 12 years ago... Mayo are a different animal now. Yesterday proved that.
Mayo are the same Mayo they've always been.
6 semi finals on the trot would give the lie to that sweeping statement.
0 AIs puts a full stop at the end of my statement.
Mayo have always been challenging since 1989 - eight AI finals well spread over that period, only a few less than Kerry have had, as it happens - but the lie we were told was Horan changed the Mayo psyche in a meaningful way, well, time and results have proven that incorrect.
Is All Irelands your barometer Syf?
For a changed Mayo, yeah. Mayo made finals before the run that ended against Galway, they'll made them after it too. That's never been Mayo's real problem, has it?
Different argument completely Syf. I know we have to win one to convince people like you that these boys are different but can you honestly say we lost the 2004/06 finals the same way we lost in 2012/13? Same end result yes but I have seen a massive change in psyche since Horan came in. The ultimate problem was lack of a player or two and poor game management on the sideline.
Youre as much of a shambles as your county and its football standing. Gomshite of a man. The absolute stupidity of this stance that winning the all ireland is all that matters to Mayo and if we are not going to win it we would be as well off as going out in early championship. Such a load of balls.
Quote from: Ballaghman on August 07, 2016, 06:35:25 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 07, 2016, 05:58:24 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 07, 2016, 05:41:36 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 07, 2016, 03:44:01 PM
Quote from: Chimley on August 07, 2016, 03:40:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 07, 2016, 11:13:08 AM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on August 07, 2016, 11:01:35 AM
That's 12 years ago... Mayo are a different animal now. Yesterday proved that.
Mayo are the same Mayo they've always been.
6 semi finals on the trot would give the lie to that sweeping statement.
0 AIs puts a full stop at the end of my statement.
Mayo have always been challenging since 1989 - eight AI finals well spread over that period, only a few less than Kerry have had, as it happens - but the lie we were told was Horan changed the Mayo psyche in a meaningful way, well, time and results have proven that incorrect.
Is All Irelands your barometer Syf?
For a changed Mayo, yeah. Mayo made finals before the run that ended against Galway, they'll made them after it too. That's never been Mayo's real problem, has it?
Different argument completely Syf. I know we have to win one to convince people like you that these boys are different but can you honestly say we lost the 2004/06 finals the same way we lost in 2012/13? Same end result yes but I have seen a massive change in psyche since Horan came in. The ultimate problem was lack of a player or two and poor game management on the sideline.
Mayo were plenty fearless in 04/06 too, 2013 was a failure of both Horan and a team freezing with the brass ring within reach. It wasn't as spectacular a freeze as the Kerry finals but Dublin where begging for Mayo to nail them that day and something still held them back. That was the moment you knew the old demons still lay within. 2012 would have been a game if Horan got his match-ups right. That is not to insult Mayo because we have plenty of our own and Waterford today showed how heavy the hand of history can weigh on a team's shoulders. But until Mayo win one these lads will sit very comfortably with the 89, 96-97 and 04-06 teams. That is just the honest reality of the situation.
Tipp supporters will be level headed, after all they are well used to big occasions in croke park. On the other hand Im sure the Mayo supporters as always will be playing the old tune 'this is our year! Perfect ingredients for an ambush.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 07, 2016, 06:14:27 PM
The GAA neutral world will be hoping this Tipperary fairytale season continues with another win against the odds in this game. 2016 has been the year of team sport underdogs why not one more? Football GAA championship has been crying out for a underdog story like this for years.
I don't buy into routing for the underdog. Mayo should have earned the respect of every GAA fan in the country by now with their relentless pursuit of Sam over the years and their determination to keep returning year after year putting in some immense performances along the way without the ultimate reward. They have shipped some heavy defeats in finals and lost some epic matches after replays which would have killed off most teams. Tipp have done well but i think Mayo are much more deserving of another crack at Sam and will most likely provide us with a more competitive final.
One thing's for sure, Tipp won't fear Mayo.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 07, 2016, 08:19:20 PM
One thing's for sure, Tipp won't fear Mayo.
They should be afraid, very afraid.
I must watch effing Eddie again.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 07, 2016, 08:03:09 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 07, 2016, 06:14:27 PM
The GAA neutral world will be hoping this Tipperary fairytale season continues with another win against the odds in this game. 2016 has been the year of team sport underdogs why not one more? Football GAA championship has been crying out for a underdog story like this for years.
I don't buy into routing for the underdog. Mayo should have earned the respect of every GAA fan in the country by now with their relentless pursuit of Sam over the years and their determination to keep returning year after year putting in some immense performances along the way without the ultimate reward. They have shipped some heavy defeats in finals and lost some epic matches after replays which would have killed off most teams. Tipp have done well but i think Mayo are much more deserving of another crack at Sam and will most likely provide us with a more competitive final.
I agree with most of that. I have huge respect for how Mayo keep coming back to the well. Of course I'd love to see Tipp qualify for an All Ireland, but you'd have to think Mayo would have a good chance in a final, whereas Tipp would be massive outsiders. This is all bonus territory for Tipp, and I expect them to play with a bit of freedom, but Mayo are battle hardened and experienced, and have their target as Sam, not a Final.
The bit I don't agree with is 'deserving'. You get what you deserve, and if Tipp make it there, with all the circumstances, they will deserve it too.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 07, 2016, 08:54:54 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 07, 2016, 08:03:09 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 07, 2016, 06:14:27 PM
The GAA neutral world will be hoping this Tipperary fairytale season continues with another win against the odds in this game. 2016 has been the year of team sport underdogs why not one more? Football GAA championship has been crying out for a underdog story like this for years.
I don't buy into routing for the underdog. Mayo should have earned the respect of every GAA fan in the country by now with their relentless pursuit of Sam over the years and their determination to keep returning year after year putting in some immense performances along the way without the ultimate reward. They have shipped some heavy defeats in finals and lost some epic matches after replays which would have killed off most teams. Tipp have done well but i think Mayo are much more deserving of another crack at Sam and will most likely provide us with a more competitive final.
I agree with most of that. I have huge respect for how Mayo keep coming back to the well. Of course I'd love to see Tipp qualify for an All Ireland, but you'd have to think Mayo would have a good chance in a final, whereas Tipp would be massive outsiders. This is all bonus territory for Tipp, and I expect them to play with a bit of freedom, but Mayo are battle hardened and experienced, and have their target as Sam, not a Final.
The bit I don't agree with is 'deserving'. You get what you deserve, and if Tipp make it there, with all the circumstances, they will deserve it too.
Aye, perhaps deserving wasn't the correct word as you normally get what you deserve in this game and if Tipp can pull off another victory, then of course they will deserve it. The point I was trying to make was that if ever a team has earned the respect of the neutral in their pursuit of Sam then it's Mayo!
Absolutely. They remind me of Munster and the Heineken Cup odyssey. I'd love to see them win it, but I'd prefer to see Tipp win it :)
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 07, 2016, 08:03:09 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 07, 2016, 06:14:27 PM
The GAA neutral world will be hoping this Tipperary fairytale season continues with another win against the odds in this game. 2016 has been the year of team sport underdogs why not one more? Football GAA championship has been crying out for a underdog story like this for years.
I don't buy into routing for the underdog. Mayo should have earned the respect of every GAA fan in the country by now with their relentless pursuit of Sam over the years and their determination to keep returning year after year putting in some immense performances along the way without the ultimate reward. They have shipped some heavy defeats in finals and lost some epic matches after replays which would have killed off most teams. Tipp have done well but i think Mayo are much more deserving of another crack at Sam and will most likely provide us with a more competitive final.
I wonder have they gained respect though. Pundits definitely don't. Mayo even on here were accused of 'choking' despite Tyrone kicking terrible wides at the end. And if Mayo do beat Tipp, the same clichés will ring out before the final and the same people in this forum will continue to have digs at the players if, God help them Dublin or Kerry win it. It sickens my hole. All this Sam or bust - is generally a media consensus that most Mayo people disagree with. I do agree with AZ though. Nothing is deservrd, the players know that as well I'm sure.
Great win, I thought Keegan, Harrison, Dillon, Moran, AOS, COC and Parsons were all very good. DOC didn't look fit at all. It wasn't looking good when Tyrone went 11-10 up, I thought we looked very tired and our goose was cooked. Fair play to the players for plugging away and getting the win. I'd say McGee and plenty of other journos had their pieces roasting the players about the heave all ready to send to print, hold on to them for another couple of weeks lads ;D
Tyrone badly need a free taker
Edit: wrong thread :o
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 07, 2016, 09:05:32 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 07, 2016, 08:03:09 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 07, 2016, 06:14:27 PM
The GAA neutral world will be hoping this Tipperary fairytale season continues with another win against the odds in this game. 2016 has been the year of team sport underdogs why not one more? Football GAA championship has been crying out for a underdog story like this for years.
I don't buy into routing for the underdog. Mayo should have earned the respect of every GAA fan in the country by now with their relentless pursuit of Sam over the years and their determination to keep returning year after year putting in some immense performances along the way without the ultimate reward. They have shipped some heavy defeats in finals and lost some epic matches after replays which would have killed off most teams. Tipp have done well but i think Mayo are much more deserving of another crack at Sam and will most likely provide us with a more competitive final.
I wonder have they gained respect though. Pundits definitely don't. Mayo even on here were accused of 'choking' despite Tyrone kicking terrible wides at the end. And if Mayo do beat Tipp, the same clichés will ring out before the final and the same people in this forum will continue to have digs at the players if, God help them Dublin or Kerry win it. It sickens my hole. All this Sam or bust - is generally a media consensus that most Mayo people disagree with. I do agree with AZ though. Nothing is deservrd, the players know that as well I'm sure.
The chokers thing is just a good jibe to chuck at Mayo for those wanting a dig, I've used it myself on occasion on here! But, If anything Tyrone choked yesterday when the game was there to be won. Every team has had their moments when a choking accusation could be thrown. A great Kerry team could be accused of choking every time they played Tyrone in a big game in the 00s. Mayo have been there at the business end of the championship for the best part of 12 years so their players have come under intense scrutiny in that time but have always found the resolve to keep coming back to the well and raise their game. More than once over the years, I've said.."well that'll be the end of that Mayo team for a few years" and every year they come back (including this year). Hence my opinion that they have earned respect and I would quite happily see them lift Sam.......then yez can happily fcuk off for a few years while Tyrone re-emerge! 😜
Tipp have he upper hand coming-in, 4 All-Ireland's vs 3.
Most pundits agree that 1900 team was a team for the mllenium.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 07, 2016, 08:03:09 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 07, 2016, 06:14:27 PM
The GAA neutral world will be hoping this Tipperary fairytale season continues with another win against the odds in this game. 2016 has been the year of team sport underdogs why not one more? Football GAA championship has been crying out for a underdog story like this for years.
I don't buy into routing for the underdog. Mayo should have earned the respect of every GAA fan in the country by now with their relentless pursuit of Sam over the years and their determination to keep returning year after year putting in some immense performances along the way without the ultimate reward. They have shipped some heavy defeats in finals and lost some epic matches after replays which would have killed off most teams. Tipp have done well but i think Mayo are much more deserving of another crack at Sam and will most likely provide us with a more competitive final.
Win or lose Mayo will be back at this stage probably again next year and they have got plenty of chances already to bring home the main prize. Who knows when Tipperary will be at this stage again it could be their one and only opportunity for many years to come? And with the new format on the way there is less chance of a underdog like them winning All Ireland.
As for the more competitive final again who knows. A repeat of the many Mayo performances from this year won't have them competitive in the final. Tipperary were very competitive in their two recent underage All Ireland finals.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 07, 2016, 08:19:20 PM
One thing's for sure, Tipp won't fear Mayo.
Well considering the trimming Tipp gave us in the 1918 semi final why should they!! We will be massive underdogs against the Premier Monster so I don't even know if we should bother turning up!!!
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 08, 2016, 12:32:17 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 07, 2016, 08:03:09 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 07, 2016, 06:14:27 PM
The GAA neutral world will be hoping this Tipperary fairytale season continues with another win against the odds in this game. 2016 has been the year of team sport underdogs why not one more? Football GAA championship has been crying out for a underdog story like this for years.
I don't buy into routing for the underdog. Mayo should have earned the respect of every GAA fan in the country by now with their relentless pursuit of Sam over the years and their determination to keep returning year after year putting in some immense performances along the way without the ultimate reward. They have shipped some heavy defeats in finals and lost some epic matches after replays which would have killed off most teams. Tipp have done well but i think Mayo are much more deserving of another crack at Sam and will most likely provide us with a more competitive final.
Win or lose Mayo will be back at this stage probably again next year and they have got plenty of chances already to bring home the main prize. Who knows when Tipperary will be at this stage again it could be their one and only opportunity for many years to come? And with the new format on the way there is less chance of a underdog like them winning All Ireland.
As for the more competitive final again who knows. A repeat of the many Mayo performances from this year won't have them competitive in the final. Tipperary were very competitive in their two recent underage All Ireland finals.
How did we get on in our recent underage Final?
Quote from: muppet on August 08, 2016, 02:31:15 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 08, 2016, 12:32:17 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 07, 2016, 08:03:09 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 07, 2016, 06:14:27 PM
The GAA neutral world will be hoping this Tipperary fairytale season continues with another win against the odds in this game. 2016 has been the year of team sport underdogs why not one more? Football GAA championship has been crying out for a underdog story like this for years.
I don't buy into routing for the underdog. Mayo should have earned the respect of every GAA fan in the country by now with their relentless pursuit of Sam over the years and their determination to keep returning year after year putting in some immense performances along the way without the ultimate reward. They have shipped some heavy defeats in finals and lost some epic matches after replays which would have killed off most teams. Tipp have done well but i think Mayo are much more deserving of another crack at Sam and will most likely provide us with a more competitive final.
Win or lose Mayo will be back at this stage probably again next year and they have got plenty of chances already to bring home the main prize. Who knows when Tipperary will be at this stage again it could be their one and only opportunity for many years to come? And with the new format on the way there is less chance of a underdog like them winning All Ireland.
As for the more competitive final again who knows. A repeat of the many Mayo performances from this year won't have them competitive in the final. Tipperary were very competitive in their two recent underage All Ireland finals.
How did we get on in our recent underage Final?
Very little to do with the point I was putting across. Mayo were competitive in their last two senior finals however their form this year suggests they may not be this year.
Tipperary won't be competitive because they are not rated by some. They were given no chance to win the minor final in 2011 and again last year in the U21 semi final against Dublin they were given no chance.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 07, 2016, 08:03:09 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 07, 2016, 06:14:27 PM
The GAA neutral world will be hoping this Tipperary fairytale season continues with another win against the odds in this game. 2016 has been the year of team sport underdogs why not one more? Football GAA championship has been crying out for a underdog story like this for years.
I don't buy into routing for the underdog. Mayo should have earned the respect of every GAA fan in the country by now with their relentless pursuit of Sam over the years and their determination to keep returning year after year putting in some immense performances along the way without the ultimate reward. They have shipped some heavy defeats in finals and lost some epic matches after replays which would have killed off most teams. Tipp have done well but i think Mayo are much more deserving of another crack at Sam and will most likely provide us with a more competitive final.
Yeah, I've never really understood why this particular Mayo team (the bunch of the last 5/6 years) seem to get so little credit from some. They seem to face constant criticism about their character and "bottle", but in truth they're one of the most unbelievably resilient teams in recent memory. They have been knocked back time and again and keep coming back for more. The hunger remains. Even if they never win an All-Ireland, I believe history will be kind to this team and many of the individuals that have operated in their ranks. They have been at the centre of some of the best championship matches of the last few years and the competition would really be quite dull without them. I hope they beat Tipp in the semi-final. To hell with the underdog fairytale. Mayo's story is as compelling as any GAA story out there and in truth they would be much better opposition to either against either Kerry or Dublin in a final. If they do finally win an All-Ireland, it will have been one of the most hard-earned, well-deserved All-Irelands in years.
Mayo's all Ireland to lose now, pretty much a bye into the final.
Delighted for the players and the management team. I think the raw emotion at the end was a release of the massive pressure the team have been under due to their actions in getting rid of last years management team. Whether people agree with what they did or not, it was a hugely brave move. The whole country is just waiting for them to fail, and if they had lost yesterday many would have been only too delighted to get the hobnails on, give them a good kicking and dance on their collective graves. Because losing yesterday would have meant they had gone backwards and would have even them probably questioning if they had done the right thing, and I think that, more so than anything else, the devastation of losing those other big games, the miles on the clock for some etc. would probably have killed them over the winter, led to even more doubt and probably finished some of them.
Winning yesterday means that, while it doesn't tell us if they are really any closer to the holy grail, the manner of the victory in relation to the brave positional changes and structure the management team put in place, means that they the players didn't make the wrong choice in doing what they did. Even if we are not to win it this year, the sideline showed that they have what it takes. We have enough good footballers coming in, and plenty that have been around for years that are still very young. Cillian O'Connor has been through it all but is still only 24, Diarmuid is 21, Brendan Harrison, Paddy Durcan etc. So yesterday seems to be a strong indication that we have a good management team, and even if its not won this year, they may just have what it takes over the next couple. Over the past 5 years, Mayo having good footballers have never been in doubt, we just didn't have it tactically. This management team would have stuck a midfielder on Kieran Donaghy when Fitzmaurice through his last dice in the 2014 semi final, and Mayo would have been in the final. For too long Mayo wanted to just trust the player in the position and "hope" it would work out. It didn't and it never would unfortunately.
I think until yesterday some of the senior players on this squad had doubts about the management team, I think yesterday dispelled those doubts. Its very hard to be successful if you don't trust the men making those decisions. I think Mayo players will now feel a little lighter and happier in themselves and I think that will see them taking it up another level again.
Tipp have to be respected, we should have been caught in 2004 in very similar circumstances, beat Tyrone in a battle, "only" Fermanagh in the semi, and they should have beaten us the first day. No question. Thankfully we still have two members of that squad Alan Dillon and Andy Moran still around to remind the lads of that. Tipp will ask different questions, and I would say for a while in that game we will probably look like we are on trouble. I expect Mayo to win but not by a huge margin. And anyone who thinks Tipp have nothing to lose is deluding themselves, do you think the Tipp players will not be burning to get into an AIF? Course they will, and that is very much something to lose. That will create its own pressure. Some Mayo fans will of course get carried away with themselves, but I don't believe the team or management will and will come up with another game plan to try and beat Tipp.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 08, 2016, 08:58:43 AM
Mayo's all Ireland to lose now, pretty much a bye into the final.
Time to put all the coulda shoulda woulda to bed and step 8nto samgri la . They only need to win 1 to change Mayo football for good.
Quote from: iorras on August 08, 2016, 09:32:40 AM
Delighted for the players and the management team. I think the raw emotion at the end was a release of the massive pressure the team have been under due to their actions in getting rid of last years management team. Whether people agree with what they did or not, it was a hugely brave move. The whole country is just waiting for them to fail, and if they had lost yesterday many would have been only too delighted to get the hobnails on, give them a good kicking and dance on their collective graves. Because losing yesterday would have meant they had gone backwards and would have even them probably questioning if they had done the right thing, and I think that, more so than anything else, the devastation of losing those other big games, the miles on the clock for some etc. would probably have killed them over the winter, led to even more doubt and probably finished some of them.
Winning yesterday means that, while it doesn't tell us if they are really any closer to the holy grail, the manner of the victory in relation to the brave positional changes and structure the management team put in place, means that they the players didn't make the wrong choice in doing what they did. Even if we are not to win it this year, the sideline showed that they have what it takes. We have enough good footballers coming in, and plenty that have been around for years that are still very young. Cillian O'Connor has been through it all but is still only 24, Diarmuid is 21, Brendan Harrison, Paddy Durcan etc. So yesterday seems to be a strong indication that we have a good management team, and even if its not won this year, they may just have what it takes over the next couple. Over the past 5 years, Mayo having good footballers have never been in doubt, we just didn't have it tactically. This management team would have stuck a midfielder on Kieran Donaghy when Fitzmaurice through his last dice in the 2014 semi final, and Mayo would have been in the final. For too long Mayo wanted to just trust the player in the position and "hope" it would work out. It didn't and it never would unfortunately.
I think until yesterday some of the senior players on this squad had doubts about the management team, I think yesterday dispelled those doubts. Its very hard to be successful if you don't trust the men making those decisions. I think Mayo players will now feel a little lighter and happier in themselves and I think that will see them taking it up another level again.
Tipp have to be respected, we should have been caught in 2004 in very similar circumstances, beat Tyrone in a battle, "only" Fermanagh in the semi, and they should have beaten us the first day. No question. Thankfully we still have two members of that squad Alan Dillon and Andy Moran still around to remind the lads of that. Tipp will ask different questions, and I would say for a while in that game we will probably look like we are on trouble. I expect Mayo to win but not by a huge margin. And anyone who thinks Tipp have nothing to lose is deluding themselves, do you think the Tipp players will not be burning to get into an AIF? Course they will, and that is very much something to lose. That will create its own pressure. Some Mayo fans will of course get carried away with themselves, but I don't believe the team or management will and will come up with another game plan to try and beat Tipp.
I'm not sure if it's accurate to portray this as some kind of tactical masterclass from Rochford & Co.
The game was there for Tyrone with 14 men and they blew it.
Not saying it was a tactical masterclass, but compared to the past, (with the exception of Dublin round 1 last year where Barry Moran played a sweeper role) when our tactics seemed to consist of "go out and play ball lads", it is. We've never done anything as radical before as drop our full back and put a 34 year old corner forward in instead to get him to act as another link man. I believe Dillon had the most possessions on the pitch in the first half and he used the ball intelligently. Having the cop on to know he only had a half in him playing like that was to be applauded also.
Rochford seems very capable of playing "horses for courses", and reacting to what's happening on the pitch. For example once Sean Cavanagh was gone, Lee Keegan was told to go and mind Mattie Donnelley, Donnelley was a lot less effective after that. My point is that's something which has been lacking from Mayo the past few years
The biggest lesson for Mayo at the weekend was what NOT to do when you are leading a tight game with a few minutes to go.
If they have learned from that, then it could be the difference between winning an All-Ireland this year and collapsing in a heap with the finishing line in sight.
Quote from: iorras on August 08, 2016, 02:32:22 PM
Not saying it was a tactical masterclass, but compared to the past, (with the exception of Dublin round 1 last year where Barry Moran played a sweeper role) when our tactics seemed to consist of "go out and play ball lads", it is. We've never done anything as radical before as drop our full back and put a 34 year old corner forward in instead to get him to act as another link man. I believe Dillon had the most possessions on the pitch in the first half and he used the ball intelligently. Having the cop on to know he only had a half in him playing like that was to be applauded also.
Rochford seems very capable of playing "horses for courses", and reacting to what's happening on the pitch. For example once Sean Cavanagh was gone, Lee Keegan was told to go and mind Mattie Donnelley, Donnelley was a lot less effective after that. My point is that's something which has been lacking from Mayo the past few years
Agree completely.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 08, 2016, 02:43:52 PM
Quote from: iorras on August 08, 2016, 02:32:22 PM
Not saying it was a tactical masterclass, but compared to the past, (with the exception of Dublin round 1 last year where Barry Moran played a sweeper role) when our tactics seemed to consist of "go out and play ball lads", it is. We've never done anything as radical before as drop our full back and put a 34 year old corner forward in instead to get him to act as another link man. I believe Dillon had the most possessions on the pitch in the first half and he used the ball intelligently. Having the cop on to know he only had a half in him playing like that was to be applauded also.
Rochford seems very capable of playing "horses for courses", and reacting to what's happening on the pitch. For example once Sean Cavanagh was gone, Lee Keegan was told to go and mind Mattie Donnelley, Donnelley was a lot less effective after that. My point is that's something which has been lacking from Mayo the past few years
Agree completely.
Good post.
Mayo's result in the championship this year.
London 0-9 Mayo 2-16
Mayo 0-12 Galway 1-12
Mayo 2-14 Fermanagh 1-12
Mayo 2-17 Kildare 0-14
Mayo 3-15 Westmeath 1-14
Mayo 0-13 Tyrone 0-12
In the league they lost to Cork, Dublin, Donegal and Kerry.
They beat Monaghan, Down and Roscommon.
Tyrone were very poor on Saturday - the fact that they had 32 shots and got 12 scores says a world.
Mayo need to remember that it's one thing to win a match when you beat a team playing well, a whole different kettle of fish when it's a team who turns in to a performance that was somewhere around the 3/4 out of 10. If I was Mayo manager what would concern me was that once again there was a pretty long list of daft things that Mayo did on the pitch - a large part of the reason they managed to win was because Tyrone did absolutely woefully in terms of taking advantage of most of them. It was yet another game where Mayo looked like world-beaters at certain stages but then had patches where they looked like a team of lads who had never met before throw-in. If this was a one-off you would excuse it but it's clearly not. A biq question mark it whether this game was a return to form by Cillian O'Connor or whether it was a one-off in what has been a very poor season by his (admittedly very high) standards.
I can see them getting by Tipp (in a game that I think could be tighter than a lot expect) but I really struggle to see how they are going to win an All-Ireland against most likely Dublin (I think they might actually have a slightly better chance if it is Dublin in the final as opposed to Kerry because if Kerry somehow manage to get a result over Dublin in the semi, I just can't see them not completing the job)
Quote from: Tubberman on August 08, 2016, 02:43:52 PM
Quote from: iorras on August 08, 2016, 02:32:22 PM
Not saying it was a tactical masterclass, but compared to the past, (with the exception of Dublin round 1 last year where Barry Moran played a sweeper role) when our tactics seemed to consist of "go out and play ball lads", it is. We've never done anything as radical before as drop our full back and put a 34 year old corner forward in instead to get him to act as another link man. I believe Dillon had the most possessions on the pitch in the first half and he used the ball intelligently. Having the cop on to know he only had a half in him playing like that was to be applauded also.
Rochford seems very capable of playing "horses for courses", and reacting to what's happening on the pitch. For example once Sean Cavanagh was gone, Lee Keegan was told to go and mind Mattie Donnelley, Donnelley was a lot less effective after that. My point is that's something which has been lacking from Mayo the past few years
Agree completely.
Another +1 to that. Like the look of Rochford and even though we were lucky in the end, Mayo are long overdue a lucky general!
Quote from: twohands!!! on August 08, 2016, 05:44:18 PM
Mayo's result in the championship this year.
London 0-9 Mayo 2-16
Mayo 0-12 Galway 1-12
Mayo 2-14 Fermanagh 1-12
Mayo 2-17 Kildare 0-14
Mayo 3-15 Westmeath 1-14
Mayo 0-13 Tyrone 0-12
In the league they lost to Cork, Dublin, Donegal and Kerry.
They beat Monaghan, Down and Roscommon.
Tyrone were very poor on Saturday - the fact that they had 32 shots and got 12 scores says a world.
Mayo need to remember that it's one thing to win a match when you beat a team playing well, a whole different kettle of fish when it's a team who turns in to a performance that was somewhere around the 3/4 out of 10. If I was Mayo manager what would concern me was that once again there was a pretty long list of daft things that Mayo did on the pitch - a large part of the reason they managed to win was because Tyrone did absolutely woefully in terms of taking advantage of most of them. It was yet another game where Mayo looked like world-beaters at certain stages but then had patches where they looked like a team of lads who had never met before throw-in. If this was a one-off you would excuse it but it's clearly not. A biq question mark it whether this game was a return to form by Cillian O'Connor or whether it was a one-off in what has been a very poor season by his (admittedly very high) standards.
I can see them getting by Tipp (in a game that I think could be tighter than a lot expect) but I really struggle to see how they are going to win an All-Ireland against most likely Dublin (I think they might actually have a slightly better chance if it is Dublin in the final as opposed to Kerry because if Kerry somehow manage to get a result over Dublin in the semi, I just can't see them not completing the job)
Firstly Mayos League record matters not a damn! we retained Division One status. No more than Tyrones league record mattered other than getting back to Division one.
Secondly, Do you think there was a reason Tyrone did not play well against Mayo? Did the hype get to the team? Did the Mayo starting team throw Mickey Hartes tactics? Did they met an experienced team that know at this stage how to win Quarter finals? Was the Division two title over rated? Was the Ulster Championship over rated? Was beating Donegal in injury time over rated? Is it to soon to be expecting under 21's to compete as Seniors? Did they met an experienced team that know at this stage how to win Quarter finals?
Tyrone have been shielded from the exposure to playing Dublin (and most Division One teams) for over a year now. Kerry their nearest rival have played them 3 times and humbled on all three occasions. Meeting Dublin can be a humbling experience and a huge reality check! Up to now Tyrone were in their Cocoon of Division Two and Ulster Football. Nice and Cozy. Biggest worry was Donegal! This Tyrone team could come good - there are no guarantees. They are going in the right direction for now.
The reason Tyrone lost is because they lack quality going forward, they have no free-taker, their system is too rigid, and they were physically out-muscled. The weekend showed how poor the decision making is from some of their forwards and how inflexible they are as a unit. I think they expected Mayo to play a free-flowing game where they could turn them over and then counter-attack quickly, but Mayo didn't do that and Tyrone didn't adapt. Mayo also had a physical edge all over the field. There were a few Tyrone players who were trying to square up to Mayo and trying some macho stuff, but those Mayo lads are some of the most imposing athletes in the game and it was very naive of Tyrone to think they could square up to them. At one point O'Shea shouldered Niall Sludden and it was like swatting a fly away. Tyrone weren't up to the physical challenge.
Mayo played this one well tactically. The lack of a traditional full-back called Tyrone's bluff on their lack of quality going forward and having Alan Dillon roaming on the 40 a sending ball in over the blanket defence was a very smart move. Sean Cavanagh, who I think Tyrone thought would be giving Kevin Keane the run around on the day, was absolutely roasted by Lee Keegan. Aidan O'Shea was visibly unsettling the Tyrone defence by rotating in and out of the full-forward line too.
Mayo played Tyrone at their own game a little bit. They invited Tyrone onto them in the last few minutes and possibly knew that Tyrone wouldn't have the bottle or the quality to go and finish it off, and they'd be right in thinking that. For once Mayo actually displayed a bit of cute hoorism and about time too.
Tipp are another proposition entirely. They don't have the same history with Mayo that Tyrone have. They will come into this with no fear and they'll drive at Mayo and play to win. They have big, mobile men up front who could potentially cause havoc. Mayo would need to keep their heads now. They looked incredibly relieved and delighted to get over Tyrone and perhaps this match was a turning point for them, but it's at this stage that they'd want to make sure they don't go into this with one eye on the final and get caught on the hop.
Quote from: iorras on August 08, 2016, 09:32:40 AM
Delighted for the players and the management team. I think the raw emotion at the end was a release of the massive pressure the team have been under due to their actions in getting rid of last years management team. Whether people agree with what they did or not, it was a hugely brave move. The whole country is just waiting for them to fail, and if they had lost yesterday many would have been only too delighted to get the hobnails on, give them a good kicking and dance on their collective graves. Because losing yesterday would have meant they had gone backwards and would have even them probably questioning if they had done the right thing, and I think that, more so than anything else, the devastation of losing those other big games, the miles on the clock for some etc. would probably have killed them over the winter, led to even more doubt and probably finished some of them.
Did the win Saturday confirm Mayo have not gone backwards? i'm not convinced and probably won't know for certain now until the final.
This group of Mayo players have beaten defending All Ireland champions sometimes won those games pulling up but i didn't see Mayo as "delighted" after a win as Saturday which i found strange to say the least. The last management was removed because the players didn't believe they would win All Ireland under them and unless the All Ireland is won this year it still won't be known if the right thing was done or if this new management can deliver Sam either.
Next up is Tipp in the most unlikely semi final for Mayo. Its one thing beating the two great underachievers of recent years in Galway,Cork in the championship but it another thing trying to beat a seasoned and experienced outfit like Mayo. Lack of a bench will likely hurt Tipp more in this game than others if only O Riordan,O Brien,Kennedy,Fahey etc were available for selection.
Regardless of the result in this game i hope its a semi final that is good viewing for all.
Quote from: ZeitChrist on August 08, 2016, 07:49:09 PM
Mayo played Tyrone at their own game a little bit. They invited Tyrone onto them in the last few minutes and possibly knew that Tyrone wouldn't have the bottle or the quality to go and finish it off, and they'd be right in thinking that. For once Mayo actually displayed a bit of cute hoorism and about time too.
Not sure I'd agree with that, we coughed up chances to Tyrone in the last few minutes that Dublin / Kerry / Tipp wouldpprobably punish us for.
5/2 Mayo to win the All-Ireland and for the first time in my lifetime I am tempted.
I think Saturday's win, again not playing particularly well, will bring them on immensely. The Tipp match will be close but the scoreboard at the end will say Mayo are in the final.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 08, 2016, 11:02:05 PM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on August 08, 2016, 07:49:09 PM
Mayo played Tyrone at their own game a little bit. They invited Tyrone onto them in the last few minutes and possibly knew that Tyrone wouldn't have the bottle or the quality to go and finish it off, and they'd be right in thinking that. For once Mayo actually displayed a bit of cute hoorism and about time too.
Not sure I'd agree with that, we coughed up chances to Tyrone in the last few minutes that Dublin / Kerry / Tipp wouldpprobably punish us for.
But they weren't playing Dublin/Kerry/Tipp, they were playing Tyrone, and Tyrone were completely unable to take their chances. Had Mayo gone long with the ball and contested it further up the field, there's just as much chance that they'd have been caught on the break and conceded a crucial score or two, especially since Tyrone seem more comfortable with a counter-attacking game, a game that Mayo completely stopped them from playing. It was risky either way. At the end of the day, if one team is holding the ball and the other team is unable to take the game to them, that's not the former's fault. I will agree that Mayo could have executed the thing a bit better, particularly O'Shea's kamikaze pass at the end that the goalkeeper did well to read and stage an intervention on and O'Shea should really leave the free-taking to Cillian O'Connor as that lad can keep his head, but the idea itself was the right thing to do in the circumstances since Tyrone werne't up to much going forward.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 08, 2016, 11:10:35 PM
5/2 Mayo to win the All-Ireland and for the first time in my lifetime I am tempted.
I think Saturday's win, again not playing particularly well, will bring them on immensely. The Tipp match will be close but the scoreboard at the end will say Mayo are in the final.
Probably worth a bet although I wouldn't be too confident. In other years they had played a lot of their best football by now. This year they are still improving with every game and have plenty of room for further improvement. I don't think the dubs are unbeatable. Mccaffrey and ocarroll are massive losses and could hurt them if they are under pressure. Tipp looked great in their last game but maybe that will be as good as it gets for them. They don't seem to have a strong bench. The winners of Dublin Kerry would still have to be strong favs.
Whats the story in Tipp with the county board and the West Clubs who have been thrown out of the football competition?
Not a distraction the players need but could help with a siege mentality when they might feel they need to be giving two fingers to their county board, "no-one likes us but we don't care" kinda thing in the hurling v football civil war?
I fully expect Mayo to win but not sure the odds are a fair reflection of where both teams are at.
Quote from: iorras on August 09, 2016, 10:55:03 AM
Whats the story in Tipp with the county board and the West Clubs who have been thrown out of the football competition?
Not a distraction the players need but could help with a siege mentality when they might feel they need to be giving two fingers to their county board, "no-one likes us but we don't care" kinda thing in the hurling v football civil war?
I think the footballers were in the wrong here in fairness. The West Clubs were actually thrown out of the hurling championship. Essentially a round of the divisional hurling championships were fixed for last weekend, and the footballers decided they did not want to play. Now the 13 day rule is normally enforced in Tipp (Senior Hurlers played for their clubs the weekend before last for example) but the footballers refused to play.
Therefore the clubs refused to play without the players, so the matches were forfeit. Not sure about the situation in the West, but in the North Newport got a walkover from Shannon Rovers (George Hannigan). In the South Moyle Rovers (Peter Acheson and Martin Dunne) gave Carrick Swans a walkover. As they were semi finals in the North, that's effectively Shannon Rovers out.
Now, the wrinkle here in Tipp is that these Divisional Championships are also used as a back door in the county Quarter Finals. If you fail to qualify from your County Group, but win your Division, you are back into the County Championship as well. A lot of these teams are still alive in the County Championship, so it's of little importance, other than the chance to lift a Divisional Title.
The suggestion is that Liam Kearns 'unofficially' asked behind the scenes that these matches not be fixed. The County Board invoked the 13 day rule (as they had done for the hurlers) and fixed the games. Then the players (as opposed to Kearns is the official line) banded together and refused to play.
I'm not sure this is a hurling v football thing, as much as a club v county thing. And the fact that the county in this case is the footballers probably would lead to less sympathetic hearing from some clubs. That said, Tipp Senior Hurlers were in action in places like Borrisoleigh, Ballina, Kilruane and others the weekend before last, and they had the same interval before the Galway hurling semi final, including Brendan Maher playing with a slightly dodgy shoulder.
I'm a big football man, and I feel the footballers were wrong here. I also feel that all those clubs who elected to concede walkovers, and who were already still alive in the county championship should have played, even to give their club men a game.
The clubs who are trying not to get relegated, or who are out of the running in the county, I understand their reluctance to play without their county footballers.
Is there many dual clubs in Tipp? Or have all the strong hurling clubs got football teams as well?
Will Tipp draw much of a crowd for this?
Its a lot to ask supporter to cough up for two semi finals with the hurlers out the week before. Perhaps for the novelty of it the footballers might draw a good few away from the hurlers who might not be able to afford both. €40 for each game.
Quote from: thejuice on August 09, 2016, 11:31:30 PM
Will Tipp draw much of a crowd for this?
Its a lot to ask supporter to cough up for two semi finals with the hurlers out the week before. Perhaps for the novelty of it the footballers might draw a good few away from the hurlers who might not be able to afford both. €40 for each game.
Gaa have a special on, 60 if you go to both. Still football will get very small support.....itll be 10 to 1 mayo at the id imagine
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 09, 2016, 10:44:30 PM
Is there many dual clubs in Tipp? Or have all the strong hurling clubs got football teams as well?
A lot of clubs in the Mid, West and South would be dual clubs. Some areas have a hurling club and a football club (Clonmel Commercials and Saint Mary's e.g.). Some places then have no football at all, or a token gesture. Much of the North falls into this category unfortunately, and it is absolutely the fault of the clubs, rather than the players not wanting it. The harsh truth is that hurling clubs are afraid of football being more popular with the kids, and treat it with disdain. This attitude filters up to Divisional Board level, and is reflected (at adult level) in how competitions are run. The Board will say the clubs are not interested, and the clubs will say the players are not interested, but yet I had over 60 under 14s attending football coaching sessions in the month of November, from every single club in the North.
Also Portroe are now playing football. Remember Portroe is Kevin O'Halloran's club. He played NO adult football with his club until this development. Stephen O'Brien's Ballina pays scant attention to football, which is probably a major reason he tried the hurling with Tipp. There were two lads from Portroe on the U14 development squad this year.
In general everyone in Tipp (outside the North) plays both, and even in the North, largely thanks to player agitation, there is at least a few more clubs playing Junior football.
And yet, if you look at the starting 15 from the Galway game, you have George Hannigan, Philip Austin and Kevin O'Halloran. 3/15 from the North division. And Stephen O'Brien would be undoubtedly 4/15 unless he took Georgie's place. So the North has footballers.
Hon Tipp da feck! ;) :D
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 11, 2016, 12:06:49 AM
Hon Tipp da feck! ;) :D
Jaysus Myles, did ye not stir up enough on the thread that got locked down!!
You started it ye know. Bomber didn't know when to let the bone go with the dog and our Larry took off the shirt!
I'm hoping for a more civil thread here - at least until after the game.
A little off topic, but just watched Mayo V Tyrone again.
Paul Earley is an hateful anti Mayo p***k.
His commentary in the first half was disgraceful has reinforced everything I thought of him over past few years. Pathetic .
Rochford reported a clean bill of health at presser in Breaffy House last night. Tipp have started same team for every championship game they have played this year.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 11, 2016, 08:32:30 AM
Rochford reported a clean bill of health at presser in Breaffy House last night. Tipp have started same team for every championship game they have played this year.
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Sure they only have the bare 15. The bus driver, and more worryingly, the lad who ferries around the food and such, is bringing his boots.
Quote from: joemamas on August 11, 2016, 03:26:50 AM
A little off topic, but just watched Mayo V Tyrone again.
Paul Earley is an hateful anti Mayo p***k.
His commentary in the first half was disgraceful has reinforced everything I thought of him over past few years. Pathetic .
Totally agree with you there. I try not to be blinkered and react to perceived slights, but I first cottoned on to him during the Kildare game. I actually thought I was watching a different match, he kept going on about how Kildare were winning the second half and how good they were, and how poor Mayo are. WHAT??? We were 7 points up with 10 minutes to go when he was blathering that. Mike Finnerty should give him a dig.
That's the end of him for this season anyway. Wont have to listen to him again.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 11, 2016, 09:25:52 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 11, 2016, 08:32:30 AM
Rochford reported a clean bill of health at presser in Breaffy House last night. Tipp have started same team for every championship game they have played this year.
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Sure they only have the bare 15. The bus driver, and more worryingly, the lad who ferries around the food and such, is bringing his boots.
They get free food served by a waiter?? Ffs, the Dubs of munster by the sounds of it
Absolutely. But in fairness, it's not Russian caviar.
Quote from: moysider on August 11, 2016, 01:00:19 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 11, 2016, 12:06:49 AM
Hon Tipp da feck! ;) :D
Jaysus Myles, did ye not stir up enough on the thread that got locked down!!
You started it ye know. Bomber didn't know when to let the bone go with the dog and our Larry took off the shirt!
I'm hoping for a more civil thread here - at least until after the game.
Lighten up Moy, sure 'tis only an oul bit of craic! ;)
Hon Tipp!
I fear for Tipp in this one. With a full deck to pick from they'd be on Mayo's coattails but without they are probably a lower half division 2 team and that gap will probably be shown up in Croke park. I hope it isn't but I think it will.
Quote from: Zulu on August 11, 2016, 11:44:53 AM
I fear for Tipp in this one. With a full deck to pick from they'd be on Mayo's coattails but without they are probably a lower half division 2 team and that gap will probably be shown up in Croke park. I hope it isn't but I think it will.
That'd be my fear as well, I'm really hopeful for next year, if those lads come back in there'll be some competition for places. However, for this year, I fear for the strength in depth, and I fear that if Mayo run at Tipp, they'll run through them. That said, I've had the same fears in every game this year, and 3/4 times I've been wrong.
If Mayo are not at full throttle, Tipp will worry them though. The Tipp inside line will be a handful, and their half backs love to attack. I think Tipp will score, but will concede too much to win.
Tipp undoubtedly have some genuinely top class players but you'd have to think Mayo will have Tipp on the back foot most of the time and will have the bench to push on in the second half. I think it could be quite a good high scoring game but I'd be surprised if Mayo don't win by 5 or more.
I tend to agree, but as I said, I've been thinking that for most of the year :)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 11, 2016, 09:59:12 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 11, 2016, 01:00:19 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 11, 2016, 12:06:49 AM
Hon Tipp da feck! ;) :D
Jaysus Myles, did ye not stir up enough on the thread that got locked down!!
You started it ye know. Bomber didn't know when to let the bone go with the dog and our Larry took off the shirt!
I'm hoping for a more civil thread here - at least until after the game.
Lighten up Moy, sure 'tis only an oul bit of craic! ;)
Hon Tipp!
Sure I was only havin the craic myself Myles ;)
Quote from: iorras on August 11, 2016, 09:26:30 AM
Quote from: joemamas on August 11, 2016, 03:26:50 AM
A little off topic, but just watched Mayo V Tyrone again.
Paul Earley is an hateful anti Mayo p***k.
His commentary in the first half was disgraceful has reinforced everything I thought of him over past few years. Pathetic .
Totally agree with you there. I try not to be blinkered and react to perceived slights, but I first cottoned on to him during the Kildare game. I actually thought I was watching a different match, he kept going on about how Kildare were winning the second half and how good they were, and how poor Mayo are. WHAT??? We were 7 points up with 10 minutes to go when he was blathering that. Mike Finnerty should give him a dig.
That's the end of him for this season anyway. Wont have to listen to him again.
Agree about Earley bias but I just pay no heed to him.
Overall sky presentation much better than RTE imo.
Quote from: moysider on August 11, 2016, 02:08:08 PM
Quote from: iorras on August 11, 2016, 09:26:30 AM
Quote from: joemamas on August 11, 2016, 03:26:50 AM
A little off topic, but just watched Mayo V Tyrone again.
Paul Earley is an hateful anti Mayo p***k.
His commentary in the first half was disgraceful has reinforced everything I thought of him over past few years. Pathetic .
Totally agree with you there. I try not to be blinkered and react to perceived slights, but I first cottoned on to him during the Kildare game. I actually thought I was watching a different match, he kept going on about how Kildare were winning the second half and how good they were, and how poor Mayo are. WHAT??? We were 7 points up with 10 minutes to go when he was blathering that. Mike Finnerty should give him a dig.
That's the end of him for this season anyway. Wont have to listen to him again.
Agree about Earley bias but I just pay no heed to him.
Overall sky presentation much better than RTE imo.
I see the irrational invented slights by the neighbours are hitting Mayo hard now. Bunker time, can't want for Mid-West to get everyone giddy at the prospect of an AI again.
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Quote from: moysider on August 11, 2016, 02:08:08 PM
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A little off topic, but just watched Mayo V Tyrone again.
Paul Earley is an hateful anti Mayo p***k.
His commentary in the first half was disgraceful has reinforced everything I thought of him over past few years. Pathetic .
Totally agree with you there. I try not to be blinkered and react to perceived slights, but I first cottoned on to him during the Kildare game. I actually thought I was watching a different match, he kept going on about how Kildare were winning the second half and how good they were, and how poor Mayo are. WHAT??? We were 7 points up with 10 minutes to go when he was blathering that. Mike Finnerty should give him a dig.
That's the end of him for this season anyway. Wont have to listen to him again.
Agree about Earley bias but I just pay no heed to him.
Overall sky presentation much better than RTE imo.
I see the irrational invented slights by the neighbours are hit Mayo hard now. Bunker time, can't want for Mid-West to get everyone giddy at the prospect of an AI again.
Come on now Syf. The Kildare game commentary was mad. You'd swear they had dominated everywhere. Hadn't heard him been anti-Mayo, but I was wondering if he was on the same planet as I was. Didn't really take much notice of him or Finnerty the last day as I was too into the game itself.
Anyway Syf, enjoy the eventual fall later this year. It's not as if you've had much else to enjoy this year.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 11, 2016, 02:52:15 PM
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Quote from: moysider on August 11, 2016, 02:08:08 PM
Quote from: iorras on August 11, 2016, 09:26:30 AM
Quote from: joemamas on August 11, 2016, 03:26:50 AM
A little off topic, but just watched Mayo V Tyrone again.
Paul Earley is an hateful anti Mayo p***k.
His commentary in the first half was disgraceful has reinforced everything I thought of him over past few years. Pathetic .
Totally agree with you there. I try not to be blinkered and react to perceived slights, but I first cottoned on to him during the Kildare game. I actually thought I was watching a different match, he kept going on about how Kildare were winning the second half and how good they were, and how poor Mayo are. WHAT??? We were 7 points up with 10 minutes to go when he was blathering that. Mike Finnerty should give him a dig.
That's the end of him for this season anyway. Wont have to listen to him again.
Agree about Earley bias but I just pay no heed to him.
Overall sky presentation much better than RTE imo.
I see the irrational invented slights by the neighbours are hit Mayo hard now. Bunker time, can't want for Mid-West to get everyone giddy at the prospect of an AI again.
Come on now Syf. The Kildare game commentary was mad. You'd swear they had dominated everywhere. Hadn't heard him been anti-Mayo, but I was wondering if he was on the same planet as I was. Didn't really take much notice of him or Finnerty the last day as I was too into the game itself.
Anyway Syf, enjoy the eventual fall later this year. It's not as if you've had much else to enjoy this year.
Syf,
Have you by chance watched the game again, I was at the game Sunday, but I decided to watch it again last night, could not believe what I was hearing, bothered me off big time. Mike Finnerty, probably does not want to get into a pissing contest with him, but Earley's pathetic biased commentary should not be allowed to go unnoticed.
Paul Earley to me sounds like a negative Mayo supporter on commentary than anti Mayo. The last 5 mins it sounded like he was pulling out his hair as Mayo played Russian roulette. Do you guys ever listen to Sean Rice on mid west radio? If one didn't know you would think he is anti Mayo also with his negative views during commentary.
Lads, I know this one is on RTE.
Is it also on Sky?
I am away and will get easier access if on Sky.
Yes, think semi finals and finals are on both.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 11, 2016, 04:52:26 PM
Lads, I know this one is on RTE.
Is it also on Sky?
I am away and will get easier access if on Sky.
Yea on Sky also. Minor semi final Donegal v Galway will be live on TG4 a game that should be well worth watching.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 11, 2016, 04:52:26 PM
Lads, I know this one is on RTE.
Is it also on Sky?
I am away and will get easier access if on Sky.
Match is on both RTE and sky sports.
Quote from: Zulu on August 11, 2016, 05:16:17 PM
Yes, think semi finals and finals are on both.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 11, 2016, 05:19:33 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 11, 2016, 04:52:26 PM
Lads, I know this one is on RTE.
Is it also on Sky?
I am away and will get easier access if on Sky.
Quote from: Mayo Club 51 on August 11, 2016, 06:46:08 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 11, 2016, 04:52:26 PM
Lads, I know this one is on RTE.
Is it also on Sky?
I am away and will get easier access if on Sky.
Match is on both RTE and sky sports.
Yea on Sky also. Minor semi final Donegal v Galway will be live on TG4 a game that should be well worth watching.
Can we get any more clarification on this?still not sure.
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If it was Tyrone Vs Tipp it would be up.to 20 pages by now. You free staters have no performance chips on your shoulders .
Up Tipp!
Quote from: moysider on August 11, 2016, 02:02:56 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 11, 2016, 09:59:12 AM
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 11, 2016, 12:06:49 AM
Hon Tipp da feck! ;) :D
Jaysus Myles, did ye not stir up enough on the thread that got locked down!!
You started it ye know. Bomber didn't know when to let the bone go with the dog and our Larry took off the shirt!
I'm hoping for a more civil thread here - at least until after the game.
Lighten up Moy, sure 'tis only an oul bit of craic! ;)
Hon Tipp!
Sure I was only havin the craic myself Myles ;)
Glad to hear it; was beginning to fear you were on an angst-ridden, self-flagellatory descent into an interminable cycle of self-recriminations that would put Matt Talbot himself to shame, no less! ;) :)
It's time for Mayo to write the songs and paint the sheep. Sam could well spend the winter in the West.
Quote from: mad tan on August 11, 2016, 08:55:09 PM
It's time for Mayo to write the songs and paint the sheep. Sam could well spend the winter in the West.
It's the likes of you who want us to fail.
Quote from: seafoid on August 11, 2016, 07:59:12 PM
If it was Tyrone Vs Tipp it would be up.to 20 pages by now. You free staters have no performance chips on your shoulders .
Wow, you still banging on about Tyrone?
It will be like a second pride festival on the hill. Wonderful colour party..
Quote from: mad tan on August 11, 2016, 08:55:09 PM
It's time for Mayo to write the songs and paint the sheep. Sam could well spend the winter in the West.
God help us but there will always be people that will write shite football songs and paint sheep, who have better things to be doing at this time of year.
Sam will not be in the West. That is a certainty really when you think about it. The winner is between Dublin and Kerry. Dublin probably - but if Kerry do Dublin they are hardly going to lose a final.
The semi between Tipp. and Mayo is just about who is going to be beaten in the final.
I notice there is a thread about the demise of Meath football. Not necessarily a bad thing, but since they went tits up playing they have flooded the game with referees! How ironic is that! Poachers turning gamekeepers. Mayo have already been screwed by Gough and O Reilly. David Coldrick is the best of them but he has dirtied his bib as well. A Mayo v Kerry final would be unwinnable with a probable Meath referee, no matter what we could do.
I've a bit of a soft spot for Mayo and as much as I would love to see them win an All-Ireland, I cant help but root for Tipp.
They beat us fair and square and they are the where they are on merit, but are still massive underdogs.
Its the stuff of dreams at the minute and wouldnt it be some story (would make a great movie) to see them in an AI final and exacting revenge on Kerry!
Am from Tyrone and would like both to win and go the distance; but I think Tipp may have had their glory this year. Always liked Mayo and it's people, I was at the game after Cormacs death and it was a touching occassion. I felt AOS coped admirably with totally unnecessary goading against us last day out, and hope the Tyrone boyos cut it out , as their discipline was one of their better traits this year. Mayo are motoring along nicely and Parsons will prove to be a big player for them. Get their heads right and they can beat the Dubs too ;)
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 12, 2016, 09:50:57 AM
I've a bit of a soft spot for Mayo and as much as I would love to see them win an All-Ireland, I cant help but root for Tipp.
They beat us fair and square and they are the where they are on merit, but are still massive underdogs.
Its the stuff of dreams at the minute and wouldnt it be some story (would make a great movie) to see them in an AI final and exacting revenge on Kerry!
it would also be the death of football in the county, as everyone would be drunk for about 6 months.
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 12, 2016, 09:50:57 AM
I've a bit of a soft spot for Mayo and as much as I would love to see them win an All-Ireland, I cant help but root for Tipp.
They beat us fair and square and they are the where they are on merit, but are still massive underdogs.
Its the stuff of dreams at the minute and wouldnt it be some story (would make a great movie) to see them in an AI final and exacting revenge on Kerry!
It would be stuff of fantasy and fairytales, whatever about the year of the underdog, they have a chance of beating mayo in the semi but they have absolutely zero chance of laying a glove on either Dublin or Kerry in the final.
And that's not necessarily that they are a bad team, an all Ireland final is a completely different kettle of fish and while I'd give them a chance if they were playing Kerry in the semi (but less of a chance than they have against Mayo), they'd have no chance against Dublin. Shocks of that magnitude in a final don't happen anymore in "GAA circumstances" (as Effin Eddie would say). Its too professional for that. But they can happen in a semi.
Tipp have a good chance, Mayo will be trying to do just enough I think and don't have as much work done on Tipp as they did on Tyrone. I think when they looked at the championship fixtures this year the management would have felt there was a strong chance of playing Tyrone in a semi and might have prepared for that. I also expect them to naturally drop their performance by a few percent from the Tyrone performance, no matter what anyone says.
I don't subscribe to this "theres no pressure on Tipp" nonsense either though. "They have nothing to lose", they have a lot to lose, theres a massive prize on offer, win, lose or draw it is still a phenomenal achievement for an inter county footballer to play in an all Ireland senior final. That creates pressure. As does expectation of course, and the expectation will be on Mayo to win it so both teams are under there own types of pressure. We'll see who handles it best on the day. Tipp don't need this distraction of club fixtures with the county board, but that will either distract them or drive them on "nobody likes us" etc. Can work both ways
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Quote from: tbrick18 on August 12, 2016, 09:50:57 AM
I've a bit of a soft spot for Mayo and as much as I would love to see them win an All-Ireland, I cant help but root for Tipp.
They beat us fair and square and they are the where they are on merit, but are still massive underdogs.
Its the stuff of dreams at the minute and wouldnt it be some story (would make a great movie) to see them in an AI final and exacting revenge on Kerry!
it would also be the death of football in the county, as everyone would be drunk for about 6 months.
True, I said before the 2013 final that we should withdraw from the 2014 championship whatever happens. Lose it and we might as well pack it in for a while and concentrate on hurling. Win and we'll all be on the beer for a year a la Donegal circa 1992. In fairness to the lads they are still there making a fist of it. I don't know how they do it. If they ever do manage to win it, it'd make some book/film/tshirt/play/documentary on One
8 pages, now we're motoring :)
Another Meath man appointed to referee this one, David Coldrick.🙄 No wonder Meath football is the way it is, all they're producing is referees!😜
Good stuff.
He'll make sure Tipp are allowed to play football anyway.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 12, 2016, 12:46:49 PM
Good stuff.
He'll make sure Tipp are allowed to play football anyway.
David Gough appointed to the Dublin-Kerry match, what'll he let them do?!?!
Hopefully stop girly tossball.
I'm shocked (almost) at the dire dearth of contributions from the vast majority of Mayo buachaillí on this thread, who would rather obsess themselves with endless mean spirited recriminations over a game THEY ACTUALLY WON in the (recent) past*, than this game in the near future, evidently, the winning of which would present the first opportunity for this management team to end the voodoo hoodoo. :-\
Hey, sorry you beat us, honestly! Sorry for having presented you with such an unbearably positive perspective on this year's SAM, and we'll try our damnedest to never let it happen again, so you can wallow with genuine indignity and fully merited negativity. :P
Hon Tipp! :)
* Not that we were wholly innocent, but we were the losers.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 12, 2016, 08:02:29 PM
I'm shocked (almost) at the dire dearth of contributions from the vast majority of Mayo buachaillí on this thread, who would rather obsess themselves with endless mean spirited recriminations over a game THEY ACTUALLY WON in the (recent) past*, than this game in the near future, evidently, the winning of which would present the first opportunity for this management team to end the voodoo hoodoo. :-\
Hey, sorry you beat us, honestly! Sorry for having presented you with such an unbearably positive perspective on this year's SAM, and we'll try our damnedest to never let it happen again, so you can wallow with genuine indignity and fully merited negativity. :P
Hon Tipp! :)
* Not that we were wholly innocent, but we were the losers.
Your talk is surely the handiwork of wisdom because not one word of it do I understand! ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 12, 2016, 08:02:29 PM
I'm shocked (almost) at the dire dearth of contributions from the vast majority of Mayo buachaillí on this thread, who would rather obsess themselves with endless mean spirited recriminations over a game THEY ACTUALLY WON in the (recent) past*, than this game in the near future, evidently, the winning of which would present the first opportunity for this management team to end the voodoo hoodoo. :-\
Hey, sorry you beat us, honestly! Sorry for having presented you with such an unbearably positive perspective on this year's SAM, and we'll try our damnedest to never let it happen again, so you can wallow with genuine indignity and fully merited negativity. :P
Hon Tipp! :)
* Not that we were wholly innocent, but we were the losers.
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Quote from: Crete Boom on August 12, 2016, 10:08:19 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 12, 2016, 08:02:29 PM
I'm shocked (almost) at the dire dearth of contributions from the vast majority of Mayo buachaillí on this thread, who would rather obsess themselves with endless mean spirited recriminations over a game THEY ACTUALLY WON in the (recent) past*, than this game in the near future, evidently, the winning of which would present the first opportunity for this management team to end the voodoo hoodoo. :-\
Hey, sorry you beat us, honestly! Sorry for having presented you with such an unbearably positive perspective on this year's SAM, and we'll try our damnedest to never let it happen again, so you can wallow with genuine indignity and fully merited negativity. :P
Hon Tipp! :)
* Not that we were wholly innocent, but we were the losers.
Your talk is surely the handiwork of wisdom because not one word of it do I understand! ;)
That's not unusual for Myles! Have you ever tried reading his masterpieces At Swim Two Birds or The Third Policeman?
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 12, 2016, 10:27:17 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 12, 2016, 08:02:29 PM
I'm shocked (almost) at the dire dearth of contributions from the vast majority of Mayo buachaillí on this thread, who would rather obsess themselves with endless mean spirited recriminations over a game THEY ACTUALLY WON in the (recent) past*, than this game in the near future, evidently, the winning of which would present the first opportunity for this management team to end the voodoo hoodoo. :-\
Hey, sorry you beat us, honestly! Sorry for having presented you with such an unbearably positive perspective on this year's SAM, and we'll try our damnedest to never let it happen again, so you can wallow with genuine indignity and fully merited negativity. :P
Hon Tipp! :)
* Not that we were wholly innocent, but we were the losers.
(http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Nothing+to+see+here+move+along+all+credit+goes+to_9e51e0_3743623.jpg)
Judging by the length of the neck and cut of the head on that I reckon he's a diplododickus.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 12, 2016, 08:02:29 PM
I'm shocked (almost) at the dire dearth of contributions from the vast majority of Mayo buachaillí on this thread, who would rather obsess themselves with endless mean spirited recriminations over a game THEY ACTUALLY WON in the (recent) past*, than this game in the near future, evidently, the winning of which would present the first opportunity for this management team to end the voodoo hoodoo. :-\
Hey, sorry you beat us, honestly! Sorry for having presented you with such an unbearably positive perspective on this year's SAM, and we'll try our damnedest to never let it happen again, so you can wallow with genuine indignity and fully merited negativity. :P
Hon Tipp! :)
* Not that we were wholly innocent, but we were the losers.
Hats off to you Fear. Even at my vintage best, I couldn't pack as much shite into such a short rant. ;D
:D ;)
It's cringy watching Tyrone supporters try to be WUMs when everyone knows how overly earnest they really are.
Probably similar to the feeling Tyrone supporters get when they see other counties attempt to practice the dark arts.
Throne and Ros must be responsible for half the football posts which means the run in to the final will be dull enough.
And the knights in shining armour career in valiantly to their great provincial adversaries' defence -- take a bow the (rather pathetic) pair of you :D
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 13, 2016, 08:52:11 PM
And the knights in shining armour career in valiantly to their great provincial adversaries' defence -- take a bow the (rather pathetic) pair of you :D
I'm beginning tpo get worried that you and Jinxy will establish squatters' rights and become permanent additions to the ever- increasing number of Mayophiles on the board.
With seafóid and Syferus already in situ and
spouting more shite adding to the sum total of human knowledge, we poor natives won't be able to get a word in edgeways before long.
Do Mayo have a plan for Dublin?
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 13, 2016, 08:52:11 PM
And the knights in shining armour career in valiantly to their great provincial adversaries' defence -- take a bow the (rather pathetic) pair of you :D
I'm beginning tpo get worried that you and Jinxy will establish squatters' rights and become permanent additions to the ever- increasing number of Mayophiles on the board.
With seafóid and Syferus already in situ and spouting more shite adding to the sum total of human knowledge, we poor natives won't be able to get a word in edgeways before long.
Feck it, I've been rumbled! ;)
Quote from: seafoid on August 14, 2016, 01:48:15 PM
Do Mayo have a plan for Dublin?
Most drive to get there, a few take the bus, the train and then there are the ones who live there!
Quote from: moysider on August 12, 2016, 02:17:33 AM
Sam will not be in the West. That is a certainty really when you think about it. The winner is between Dublin and Kerry. Dublin probably - but if Kerry do Dublin they are hardly going to lose a final.
The semi between Tipp. and Mayo is just about who is going to be beaten in the final.
:'(
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With only 6 days to go to the semi final, Mayo Mark did a little historical diging of previous meetings between Mayo and Tipp. Brilliant article here; http://mayoclub51.com/mayo-v-tipperary-history/
Only 6 more sleeps.......
Does anyone think Tipp have a chance or might win?
As Tipp bet the Connacht Champions should all Connacht people not be supporting them as our reps in the AI Championship? :D
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2016, 10:55:09 AM
Does anyone think Tipp have a chance or might win?
As Tipp bet the Connacht Champions should all Connacht people not be supporting them as our reps in the AI Championship? :D
I think they might. Looking back on the Tyrone game, if they had their shooting boots on it would be a whole different game.
And most Connacht people will cheer Tipp on.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 16, 2016, 11:12:13 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2016, 10:55:09 AM
Does anyone think Tipp have a chance or might win?
As Tipp bet the Connacht Champions should all Connacht people not be supporting them as our reps in the AI Championship? :D
I think they might. Looking back on the Tyrone game, if they had their shooting boots on it would be a whole different game.
And most Connacht people will cheer Tipp on.
Not all of them. Part of Roscommon, aka Ballagh, will be rooting for the green above the red and so will anyone else with a biteen of pride in their province. (Guess that rules out Rossfan.)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 16, 2016, 11:12:13 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2016, 10:55:09 AM
Does anyone think Tipp have a chance or might win?
As Tipp bet the Connacht Champions should all Connacht people not be supporting them as our reps in the AI Championship? :D
I think they might. Looking back on the Tyrone game, if they had their shooting boots on it would be a whole different game.
And most Connacht people will cheer Tipp on.
I am not sure. I think a lot of Galway people would like to see Mayo win the shaggin thing
Quote from: seafoid on August 16, 2016, 02:32:44 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 16, 2016, 11:12:13 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2016, 10:55:09 AM
Does anyone think Tipp have a chance or might win?
As Tipp bet the Connacht Champions should all Connacht people not be supporting them as our reps in the AI Championship? :D
I think they might. Looking back on the Tyrone game, if they had their shooting boots on it would be a whole different game.
And most Connacht people will cheer Tipp on.
I am not sure. I think a lot of Galway people would like to see Mayo win the shaggin thing
only because you think well go away then.
but every one know you need at least 2 in a row to be considered a great team . Preferably 3
I'd say if ye win 1 there won't be a ball kicked for a year after it :)
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Quote from: seafoid on August 16, 2016, 02:32:44 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 16, 2016, 11:12:13 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2016, 10:55:09 AM
Does anyone think Tipp have a chance or might win?
As Tipp bet the Connacht Champions should all Connacht people not be supporting them as our reps in the AI Championship? :D
I think they might. Looking back on the Tyrone game, if they had their shooting boots on it would be a whole different game.
And most Connacht people will cheer Tipp on.
I am not sure. I think a lot of Galway people would like to see Mayo win the shaggin thing
only because you think well go away then.
but every one know you need at least 2 in a row to be considered a great team . Preferably 3
A good team can win the All Ireland while a great team can win two in a row All Irelands.
To make the championship a bit more interesting for the neutral viewers I was hoping to see a shock or two in the semi finals however the punters,bookies and experts can't see past a Dublin V Mayo final and after that expected final we should know for sure if Mayo are a good team or Dublin a great team.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 16, 2016, 01:17:53 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 16, 2016, 11:12:13 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2016, 10:55:09 AM
Does anyone think Tipp have a chance or might win?
As Tipp bet the Connacht Champions should all Connacht people not be supporting them as our reps in the AI Championship? :D
I think they might. Looking back on the Tyrone game, if they had their shooting boots on it would be a whole different game.
And most Connacht people will cheer Tipp on.
Not all of them. Part of Roscommon, aka Ballagh, will be rooting for the green above the red and so will anyone else with a biteen of pride in their province. (Guess that rules out Rossfan.)
Not likely.
I was away for Tyrone match and watched it in an 'Irish' pub. There was a few Tyrones there but the most vociferous Tyrone supporter there was a woman from Ballaghadereen. She was more gutted when Mayo won than I would have been if Mayo lost!
Very bad year for her so far and many of them I suspect. I doubt we get much support at all in Connacht. Not that it matters a whit anyway.
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Quote from: rosnarun on August 16, 2016, 03:17:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 16, 2016, 02:32:44 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 16, 2016, 11:12:13 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2016, 10:55:09 AM
Does anyone think Tipp have a chance or might win?
As Tipp bet the Connacht Champions should all Connacht people not be supporting them as our reps in the AI Championship? :D
I think they might. Looking back on the Tyrone game, if they had their shooting boots on it would be a whole different game.
And most Connacht people will cheer Tipp on.
I am not sure. I think a lot of Galway people would like to see Mayo win the shaggin thing
only because you think well go away then.
but every one know you need at least 2 in a row to be considered a great team . Preferably 3
A good team can win the All Ireland while a great team can win two in a row All Irelands.
To make the championship a bit more interesting for the neutral viewers I was hoping to see a shock or two in the semi finals however the punters,bookies and experts can't see past a Dublin V Mayo final and after that expected final we should know for sure if Mayo are a good team or Dublin a great team.
It depends on the circumstances. Say Kerry win the AI this year how long would it take them to get back down to earth after it? Say Mayo won it how long would they take? How long since they won it or if they won it before would factor in back to backs. IF Mayo were to win it this year there is no way they'd do back to backs. They'd not be sober for months!
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 16, 2016, 06:05:54 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 16, 2016, 03:17:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 16, 2016, 02:32:44 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 16, 2016, 11:12:13 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2016, 10:55:09 AM
Does anyone think Tipp have a chance or might win?
As Tipp bet the Connacht Champions should all Connacht people not be supporting them as our reps in the AI Championship? :D
I think they might. Looking back on the Tyrone game, if they had their shooting boots on it would be a whole different game.
And most Connacht people will cheer Tipp on.
I am not sure. I think a lot of Galway people would like to see Mayo win the shaggin thing
only because you think well go away then.
but every one know you need at least 2 in a row to be considered a great team . Preferably 3
A good team can win the All Ireland while a great team can win two in a row All Irelands.
To make the championship a bit more interesting for the neutral viewers I was hoping to see a shock or two in the semi finals however the punters,bookies and experts can't see past a Dublin V Mayo final and after that expected final we should know for sure if Mayo are a good team or Dublin a great team.
are you bemoaning the Lack of a surprise 5 days before the 1st game is even played?
Only 10 pages in TEN DAYS!!!; :o :o
Jaysus Rhus ye must be awful nervous and uptight about this game.
I'd expect ye to win by 4.
I never doubted that Mayo would go a long way in this championship even after the Connacht defeat. Ignoring Ulster, the reality is that Dublin, Kerry and Mayo are miles ahead of the rest. Technically there's a small chance that Mayo could completely disregard Tipp and thus play in second gear like they did against Galway, but I think that's no more than a very very remote possibility.
This is a an All Ireland semi, Mayo will bring intensity. Probably the first game when both O'Connors will be fully fit and able for 70 minutes (although they may well even save that for September). Tipp have done fantastic to get here, but in my opinion, Mayo will win comfortably.
Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2016, 01:09:08 PM
I never doubted that Mayo would go a long way in this championship even after the Connacht defeat. Ignoring Ulster, the reality is that Dublin, Kerry and Mayo are miles ahead of the rest. Technically there's a small chance that Mayo could completely disregard Tipp and thus play in second gear like they did against Galway, but I think that's no more than a very very remote possibility.
This is a an All Ireland semi, Mayo will bring intensity. Probably the first game when both O'Connors will be fully fit and able for 70 minutes (although they may well even save that for September). Tipp have done fantastic to get here, but in my opinion, Mayo will win comfortably.
TBH the luck of the draw has greatly helped Mayo to recover and go far this summer.
Fermanagh,Kildare at home. Round 4 got Westmeath,avoided both Kerry and Dublin in the quarter final and now face Tipperary who they should beat comfortably.
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Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2016, 01:09:08 PM
I never doubted that Mayo would go a long way in this championship even after the Connacht defeat. Ignoring Ulster, the reality is that Dublin, Kerry and Mayo are miles ahead of the rest. Technically there's a small chance that Mayo could completely disregard Tipp and thus play in second gear like they did against Galway, but I think that's no more than a very very remote possibility.
This is a an All Ireland semi, Mayo will bring intensity. Probably the first game when both O'Connors will be fully fit and able for 70 minutes (although they may well even save that for September). Tipp have done fantastic to get here, but in my opinion, Mayo will win comfortably.
TBH the luck of the draw has greatly helped Mayo to recover and go far this summer.
Fermanagh,Kildare at home. Round 4 got Westmeath,avoided both Kerry and Dublin in the quarter final and now face Tipperary who they should beat comfortably.
And you'll be much bigger underdogs in the final than you would have been had you taken the straight route, even though neither Dubs nor Kerry have been on fire.
It's as good a chance as any to break the duck. Albeit yis will have to get the finger out and start playing better!
Being the first semi also reduces the chance of taking Tipp to lightly. If Dubs v Kerry was on first, it would be natural to start looking at that winner too early.
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Does anyone think Tipp have a chance or might win?
As Tipp bet the Connacht Champions should all Connacht people not be supporting them as our reps in the AI Championship? :D
I think they might. Looking back on the Tyrone game, if they had their shooting boots on it would be a whole different game.
And most Connacht people will cheer Tipp on.
Farr !!
You must be the most negative and despondent supporter of the Mayo team :( you always doubt their ability to progress to the next level!!
Is it a fear to nail your colours to the mast in case it puts a jinx on them?????
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Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2016, 01:09:08 PM
I never doubted that Mayo would go a long way in this championship even after the Connacht defeat. Ignoring Ulster, the reality is that Dublin, Kerry and Mayo are miles ahead of the rest. Technically there's a small chance that Mayo could completely disregard Tipp and thus play in second gear like they did against Galway, but I think that's no more than a very very remote possibility.
This is a an All Ireland semi, Mayo will bring intensity. Probably the first game when both O'Connors will be fully fit and able for 70 minutes (although they may well even save that for September). Tipp have done fantastic to get here, but in my opinion, Mayo will win comfortably.
TBH the luck of the draw has greatly helped Mayo to recover and go far this summer.
Fermanagh,Kildare at home. Round 4 got Westmeath,avoided both Kerry and Dublin in the quarter final and now face Tipperary who they should beat comfortably.
Wouldn't agree they got the luck of the draw. They'd have beaten pretty much anyone they could have net in most rounds but I'd say Fermanagh would have been the toughest draw they could have got in that round, Kildare one of the tougher ones and Tyrone were being talked about as Dublin's only real challengers. All told not a handy run to be fair.
The only two teams that could have beat Mayo were Kerry or Dublin but if they had met them already they could have won as well.
Farrandeelin mentions Mayo's missed opportunities against Tyrone and to me that is their only real weakness. They've missed scorable chances all year (more than is acceptable) and that is their biggest weakness. If they met Dublin in the final I feel they'll need a goal or two but if it's Kerry then they could win by just taking the scores they should take.
Great for Tipp to make the semi but they won't beat Mayo.
The structure favours the top teams even if Mayo had a shock in June. They should have too much for Tipp who deserve 2 all stars .
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 17, 2016, 03:17:19 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2016, 01:09:08 PM
I never doubted that Mayo would go a long way in this championship even after the Connacht defeat. Ignoring Ulster, the reality is that Dublin, Kerry and Mayo are miles ahead of the rest. Technically there's a small chance that Mayo could completely disregard Tipp and thus play in second gear like they did against Galway, but I think that's no more than a very very remote possibility.
This is a an All Ireland semi, Mayo will bring intensity. Probably the first game when both O'Connors will be fully fit and able for 70 minutes (although they may well even save that for September). Tipp have done fantastic to get here, but in my opinion, Mayo will win comfortably.
TBH the luck of the draw has greatly helped Mayo to recover and go far this summer.
Fermanagh,Kildare at home. Round 4 got Westmeath,avoided both Kerry and Dublin in the quarter final and now face Tipperary who they should beat comfortably.
Wouldn't agree they got the luck of the draw. They'd have beaten pretty much anyone they could have net in most rounds but I'd say Fermanagh would have been the toughest draw they could have got in that round, Kildare one of the tougher ones and Tyrone were being talked about as Dublin's only real challengers. All told not a handy run to be fair.
The only two teams that could have beat Mayo were Kerry or Dublin but if they had met them already they could have won as well.
Farrandeelin mentions Mayo's missed opportunities against Tyrone and to me that is their only real weakness. They've missed scorable chances all year (more than is acceptable) and that is their biggest weakness. If they met Dublin in the final I feel they'll need a goal or two but if it's Kerry then they could win by just taking the scores they should take.
Great for Tipp to make the semi but they won't beat Mayo.
You are entitled to your opinion but it's one I can't agree with. Mayo were their for the taking in round 2,3 of the qualifers and a tricky away draw would have meant a early championship exit.
Round 4 Mayo could have drew Donegal instead of Westmeath and Mayo were far from impressive against Westmeath which would suggest Donegal would have beaten Mayo also. Avoiding Kerry,Dublin until the AI final is without question luck of the draw.
As for missed chances against Tyrone, to be far Tyrone were more guilty of that than Mayo.
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The only two teams that could have beat Mayo were Kerry or Dublin but if they had met them already they could have won as well.
The Mayo performances this summer against Galway,Fermanagh,Kildare,Westmeath wouldn't have got them even close to Kerry,Dublin. Has been plenty of talk about the Mayo quarter final performance and while it was their best display this year that performance wouldn't have been good enough to beat Dublin or Kerry either as both would not be as wasteful as Tyrone were.
Basically Mayo are expected to reach the All Ireland final but to win it they will have to suddenly find their 2012 to 2014 form on the day.
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The only two teams that could have beat Mayo were Kerry or Dublin but if they had met them already they could have won as well.
The Mayo performances this summer against Galway,Fermanagh,Kildare,Westmeath wouldn't have got them even close to Kerry,Dublin. Has been plenty of talk about the Mayo quarter final performance and while it was their best display this year that performance wouldn't have been good enough to beat Dublin or Kerry either as both would not be as wasteful as Tyrone were.
Basically Mayo are expected to reach the All Ireland final but to win it they will have to suddenly find their 2012 to 2014 form on the day.
If that form wasn't good enough then it would hardly be
good enough now. Mayo would need to be beating Tipp by at least 12 to 15 points to demonstrate that they would be in with a chance to win this year's final.
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The only two teams that could have beat Mayo were Kerry or Dublin but if they had met them already they could have won as well.
The Mayo performances this summer against Galway,Fermanagh,Kildare,Westmeath wouldn't have got them even close to Kerry,Dublin. Has been plenty of talk about the Mayo quarter final performance and while it was their best display this year that performance wouldn't have been good enough to beat Dublin or Kerry either as both would not be as wasteful as Tyrone were.
Basically Mayo are expected to reach the All Ireland final but to win it they will have to suddenly find their 2012 to 2014 form on the day.
If that form wasn't good enough then it would hardly be good enough now. Mayo would need to be beating Tipp by at least 12 to 15 points to demonstrate that they would be in with a chance to win this year's final.
This conversation is getting ridiculous. Mayo only need to beat Tipp by a point to reach the final. The score-line in the semi will have no bearing on a final. This is a team with a singular ambition who have shown all summer that they have the resilience to do what it takes to grind out wins even when not playing well. Given a game against either Kerry or Dublin I would expect to see a supreme effort. What goes before has no relevance except to harden determination. If I had a penny for each time someone said " If they dont win this year they are finished" I'd be a wealthy man. Yet they keep coming. Despite a dodgy ticker I'd settle for two more one point wins in this year's championship and then years of debate as to how lucky and undeserving Mayo were of an All Ireland win
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 17, 2016, 03:17:19 PM
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I never doubted that Mayo would go a long way in this championship even after the Connacht defeat. Ignoring Ulster, the reality is that Dublin, Kerry and Mayo are miles ahead of the rest. Technically there's a small chance that Mayo could completely disregard Tipp and thus play in second gear like they did against Galway, but I think that's no more than a very very remote possibility.
This is a an All Ireland semi, Mayo will bring intensity. Probably the first game when both O'Connors will be fully fit and able for 70 minutes (although they may well even save that for September). Tipp have done fantastic to get here, but in my opinion, Mayo will win comfortably.
TBH the luck of the draw has greatly helped Mayo to recover and go far this summer.
Fermanagh,Kildare at home. Round 4 got Westmeath,avoided both Kerry and Dublin in the quarter final and now face Tipperary who they should beat comfortably.
Wouldn't agree they got the luck of the draw. They'd have beaten pretty much anyone they could have net in most rounds but I'd say Fermanagh would have been the toughest draw they could have got in that round, Kildare one of the tougher ones and Tyrone were being talked about as Dublin's only real challengers. All told not a handy run to be fair.
The only two teams that could have beat Mayo were Kerry or Dublin but if they had met them already they could have won as well.
Farrandeelin mentions Mayo's missed opportunities against Tyrone and to me that is their only real weakness. They've missed scorable chances all year (more than is acceptable) and that is their biggest weakness. If they met Dublin in the final I feel they'll need a goal or two but if it's Kerry then they could win by just taking the scores they should take.
Great for Tipp to make the semi but they won't beat Mayo.
You are entitled to your opinion but it's one I can't agree with. Mayo were their for the taking in round 2,3 of the qualifers and a tricky away draw would have meant a early championship exit.
Round 4 Mayo could have drew Donegal instead of Westmeath and Mayo were far from impressive against Westmeath which would suggest Donegal would have beaten Mayo also. Avoiding Kerry,Dublin until the AI final is without question luck of the draw.
As for missed chances against Tyrone, to be far Tyrone were more guilty of that than Mayo.
Well it's all a matter of opinion of course but I certainly don't agree they've had it easy (compared to lots of other permutations). Westmeath weren't the toughest draw but Donegal's round 4 performance wasn't up to much either (or their QF one) so I'd be fairly certain Mayo would have accounted for them comfortably.
Mayo are like Kerry or Dublin now IMO, they'll do enough to get over the middle ranking teams but can up it for the real threats. We'll never know but bar meeting Dublin and possibly Kerry Mayo would have negotiated their way to this stage whoever they met.
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Does anyone think Tipp have a chance or might win?
As Tipp bet the Connacht Champions should all Connacht people not be supporting them as our reps in the AI Championship? :D
I think they might. Looking back on the Tyrone game, if they had their shooting boots on it would be a whole different game.
And most Connacht people will cheer Tipp on.
Farr !!
You must be the most negative and despondent supporter of the Mayo team :( you always doubt their ability to progress to the next level!!
Is it a fear to nail your colours to the mast in case it puts a jinx on them?????
Not at all! Farr is our bellwether. The rest of the Mayo fans just wait and hope that he'll predict doom, disaster and eternal damnation for Mayo and all who follow the flag. When he does, we know we are on a winner.
The gloomier the forecast, the greater the chance we have of winning.
Going by his latest prophecy, I'd say we'll bate 'em by at least ten points! :D
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I never doubted that Mayo would go a long way in this championship even after the Connacht defeat. Ignoring Ulster, the reality is that Dublin, Kerry and Mayo are miles ahead of the rest. Technically there's a small chance that Mayo could completely disregard Tipp and thus play in second gear like they did against Galway, but I think that's no more than a very very remote possibility.
This is a an All Ireland semi, Mayo will bring intensity. Probably the first game when both O'Connors will be fully fit and able for 70 minutes (although they may well even save that for September). Tipp have done fantastic to get here, but in my opinion, Mayo will win comfortably.
TBH the luck of the draw has greatly helped Mayo to recover and go far this summer.
Fermanagh,Kildare at home. Round 4 got Westmeath,avoided both Kerry and Dublin in the quarter final and now face Tipperary who they should beat comfortably.
Wouldn't agree they got the luck of the draw. They'd have beaten pretty much anyone they could have net in most rounds but I'd say Fermanagh would have been the toughest draw they could have got in that round, Kildare one of the tougher ones and Tyrone were being talked about as Dublin's only real challengers. All told not a handy run to be fair.
The only two teams that could have beat Mayo were Kerry or Dublin but if they had met them already they could have won as well.
Farrandeelin mentions Mayo's missed opportunities against Tyrone and to me that is their only real weakness. They've missed scorable chances all year (more than is acceptable) and that is their biggest weakness. If they met Dublin in the final I feel they'll need a goal or two but if it's Kerry then they could win by just taking the scores they should take.
Great for Tipp to make the semi but they won't beat Mayo.
You are entitled to your opinion but it's one I can't agree with. Mayo were their for the taking in round 2,3 of the qualifers and a tricky away draw would have meant a early championship exit.
Round 4 Mayo could have drew Donegal instead of Westmeath and Mayo were far from impressive against Westmeath which would suggest Donegal would have beaten Mayo also. Avoiding Kerry,Dublin until the AI final is without question luck of the draw.
As for missed chances against Tyrone, to be far Tyrone were more guilty of that than Mayo.
Well it's all a matter of opinion of course but I certainly don't agree they've had it easy (compared to lots of other permutations). Westmeath weren't the toughest draw but Donegal's round 4 performance wasn't up to much either (or their QF one) so I'd be fairly certain Mayo would have accounted for them comfortably.
Mayo are like Kerry or Dublin now IMO, they'll do enough to get over the middle ranking teams but can up it for the real threats. We'll never know but bar meeting Dublin and possibly Kerry Mayo would have negotiated their way to this stage whoever they met.
The mighty Dubs didn't even beat Donegal comfortably this summer and Mayo weren't comfortable against a similar team in Tyrone so I don't see how you can draw that conclusion. Cork is another team Mayo avoided, for example could have drew them away instead of drawing Kildare at home in round 3. If Donegal didn't beat Cork in round 4 then Mayo would played Dublin instead of Tyrone in the quarter final.
Dublin and Kerry can raise their games for the bigger occasions mainly because of having that AI winning experience. Mayos form has been patchy all year where they could well have been caught cold by as you call them mid ranked teams however IMO the luck of the draw which includes Tipp in semi final has greatly helped Mayo rise above that form and still probably reach AI final.
Dublin were incredibly comfortable against Donegal, bar a wayward kick by O'Sullivan they would have underlined their superiority on the scoreboard.
They didn't get the hardest draw in every round but that's not the same as having the luck of the draw. To get Fermanagh away, Cork away, Donegal and Dublin would have been to get the very worst draw possible each round. That's a good deal different from getting lucky draws.
As you said, it's all opinions but Mayo are right up there with Kerry for definite and not too far off Dublin IMO.
I don t think Mayo have to make any big statement in this one - just win it.
I hope anybody that is expecting a free-flowing, high-scoring game is going to be disappointed. Taking on Tipp. in a shoot-out is a no-no afaic.
I doubt that will happen though and expect Mayo to set up similar to qf and bring at least the same level of intensity. This time if we get periods when we are on top I'd hope we put some daylight between us and Tipp. on scoreboard. That is something we couldn t do when we were in the ascendency v Tyrone. Our biggest flaw in that game imo. We have to twist the knife more.
Quote from: Zulu on August 17, 2016, 11:32:57 PM]Dublin were incredibly comfortable against Donegal
Stop the exaggeration. Dublin only led by one score as the game entered injury time. Dublin were rattled and completely lost their discipline against what was a weary Donegal side after a tough Ulster campaign and comeback win v Cork.
Not an exaggeration. Donegal never looked like winning that game. Dublin won last years final by one or two points yet it was a comfortable win too.
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Not an exaggeration. Donegal never looked like winning that game. Dublin won last years final by one or two points yet it was a comfortable win too.
Regardless if Donegal looked like winning it or not to say Dublin were incredibly comfortable was an exaggeration. Kerry missed a glorious goal chance late on in last years All Ireland final that could have grabbed them underserved win maybe Jim Gavin would say afterwards that Dublin lost because they were too comfortable?
I think most would agree It's not comfortable unless you have the game won by before the final quarter and then clear your bench just to give lads a run out.
There was a window of opportunity for Donegal when Dublin went down to 14. Dublin though are set up so well defensively now that losing a man does not upset them that much if they are defending a lead. They are still going to be as difficult to break down for scores anyway. It might be a different story if they had to chase a game with 14. I also thought they were comfortable in the end game v Donegal. Donegal had to rattle them just after the sending off but Dublin thread water very well at that stage and took any sting Donegal had out of them before putting them away.
Over 50,000 expected now on Sunday for the semi final
Quote from: Mayo Club 51 on August 18, 2016, 08:30:24 PM
Over 50,000 expected now on Sunday for the semi final
Id be shocked....tipp galway hurling managed 55,000, if theres 10,000 from tipp that would be absolutely massive
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Over 50,000 expected now on Sunday for the semi final
Id be shocked....tipp galway hurling managed 55,000, if theres 10,000 from tipp that would be absolutely massive
I think I saw that reported today somewhere too. Seems a lot of "double header" tickets for the hurling and football sold in Tipperary.
Football is more popular than the other stuff ;)
Any word on team news??
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Any word on team news??
Mayo will be picked tomorrow night. Probably be a few changes and switches on the day too.
I want to see if this breakthrough forces the hurling heads to respect football in Tipp more. If the hurling underage teams stop their nonsense of trying to lock hurlers out of football, basic things that no county that wants to be successful can tolerate. Obviously the lads who fûcked off to the States will be back with their tails between their legs next year if they have any sense.
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Any word on team news??
Tipp will be the same.....no surpises there
My Mayo mate reckons the only change from the team that started the last day will be Keane in for Dillon
I would have thought Parsons would come in, but he reckons Vaughan has done well enough to retain his place
Quote from: Hound on August 19, 2016, 07:14:20 AM
My Mayo mate reckons the only change from the team that started the last day will be Keane in for Dillon
I would have thought Parsons would come in, but he reckons Vaughan has done well enough to retain his place
I'd say Seamus O'Se might be looking over his shoulder as he's not hit top form all summer.
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My Mayo mate reckons the only change from the team that started the last day will be Keane in for Dillon
I would have thought Parsons would come in, but he reckons Vaughan has done well enough to retain his place
I'd say Seamus O'Se might be looking over his shoulder as he's not hit top form all summer.
The brother is hardly going to give him the chop.
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My Mayo mate reckons the only change from the team that started the last day will be Keane in for Dillon
I would have thought Parsons would come in, but he reckons Vaughan has done well enough to retain his place
I'd say Seamus O'Se might be looking over his shoulder as he's not hit top form all summer.
Thought he was back in form against Tyrone. Very little talk about the match, but a big crowd going up in expectation...
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My Mayo mate reckons the only change from the team that started the last day will be Keane in for Dillon
I would have thought Parsons would come in, but he reckons Vaughan has done well enough to retain his place
I'd say Seamus O'Se might be looking over his shoulder as he's not hit top form all summer.
The brother is hardly going to give him the chop.
Hardly, but the management might.
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My Mayo mate reckons the only change from the team that started the last day will be Keane in for Dillon
I would have thought Parsons would come in, but he reckons Vaughan has done well enough to retain his place
I'd say Seamus O'Se might be looking over his shoulder as he's not hit top form all summer.
The brother is hardly going to give him the chop.
Hardly, but the management might.
Good one Farr
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My Mayo mate reckons the only change from the team that started the last day will be Keane in for Dillon
I would have thought Parsons would come in, but he reckons Vaughan has done well enough to retain his place
I'd say Seamus O'Se might be looking over his shoulder as he's not hit top form all summer.
Thought he was back in form against Tyrone. Very little talk about the match, but a big crowd going up in expectation...
agreed, was solid against Tyrone and lead well
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My Mayo mate reckons the only change from the team that started the last day will be Keane in for Dillon
I would have thought Parsons would come in, but he reckons Vaughan has done well enough to retain his place
I'd say Seamus O'Se might be looking over his shoulder as he's not hit top form all summer.
The brother is hardly going to give him the chop.
:D
This fixture reminds me a bit of the Tyrone v Wexford semi final in 2008. Wexford beat Ulster champions Armagh 1.14 to 0.12 in the quarterfinal to then lose to Tyrone in the semi 1.14 to 0.23.
Wexford played well and scored a good goal but you could see Tyrone knew how to win games like that in Croke Park and had the experience to close the game out. I think Mayo will do the same against Tipperary as they will be a lot more defensive that Galway were. After a great start Tipp struggled against a Kerry defensive blanket and I think Mayo showed the last day out they can play that type of game if necessary.
Of course they have nothing to lose and will probably play without fear again but I think they will be surprised at the step up in class and how physical Mayo will be.
Was Wexford the last surprise package team to make it to the semifinals? Who else over the years made it to a semi that was unexpected? Leitrim 1994? Donegal 2011 perhaps?
Did Fermanagh make a semi back in 04 or thereabouts? I think they played Mayo as well.
It went to a replay too.
Mayo team named - Keane in for Dillon the only change.
The only change from team named to play Tyrone is Doherty in for Regan.
One of you is lying.
They're not. One is the only change from the team that started v Tyrone, the other is the only change from the team *announced* to start v Tyrone.
Maybe there will be changes before throw-in.
Naming Doherty to start shows a conservative approach imo. Andy and Cillian will play inside with Doherty playing a deep water carrying role. Realistically they can only start 2 from Regan, Andy and Cillian at this stage.
Mayo 2-15 v Tipp 1-10
Quote from: moysider on August 19, 2016, 03:34:52 PM
Maybe there will be changes before throw-in.
Naming Doherty to start shows a conservative approach imo. Andy and Cillian will play inside with Doherty playing a deep water carrying role. Realistically they can only start 2 from Regan, Andy and Cillian at this stage.
And, at the moment, those two should and will be Andy and Cillian.
Think if Mayo are to win the final they need to be winning this by 5+ points. They will get no credit for inching past Tipperary, a decent victory should fill their sails with enough wind to seriously attack the final. So Mayo by 6 for me.
Quote from: moysider on August 19, 2016, 03:34:52 PM
Maybe there will be changes before throw-in.
Naming Doherty to start shows a conservative approach imo. Andy and Cillian will play inside with Doherty playing a deep water carrying role. Realistically they can only start 2 from Regan, Andy and Cillian at this stage.
That's how I see it. Aido will move into full forward at times to give us 3 men in there. Doherty and DO'C will be the wing forwards.
I'd be shocked if Parsons doesn't come in before throw in. Vaughan will either drop out or move to defense in place of somebody else.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on August 19, 2016, 05:30:40 PM
Think if Mayo are to win the final they need to be winning this by 5+ points. They will get no credit for inching past Tipperary, a decent victory should fill their sails with enough wind to seriously attack the final. So Mayo by 6 for me.
This thing about teams needing to beat another team by X to win the following game perplexes me entirely. A team like Mayo needs to win this game period. If sport teaches us anything teams need to show form and/or potential. Margins of victory are down the list a bit.
So, Mayo to win by 5.
Mayo in the form of 2013 or 2014 would beat Tipperary by 8 to 10 points however Mayo are not in that type of form this year so a 3 to 5 point Mayo margin of victory is more likely.
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Quote from: moysider on August 19, 2016, 03:34:52 PM
Maybe there will be changes before throw-in.
Naming Doherty to start shows a conservative approach imo. Andy and Cillian will play inside with Doherty playing a deep water carrying role. Realistically they can only start 2 from Regan, Andy and Cillian at this stage.
And, at the moment, those two should and will be Andy and Cillian.
I think so too.
Lads I have four tickets for Sunday's game lower cusack section 309, unfortunately I can't go due to work. If anyone is interested in them they are face value.
Are Mayo likely to continue the double sweeper and policy of not kicking the ball or was that a bespoke approach for Tyrone?
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Are Mayo likely to continue the double sweeper and policy of not kicking the ball or was that a bespoke approach for Tyrone?
No
Quote from: DuffleKing on August 19, 2016, 11:57:07 PM
Are Mayo likely to continue the double sweeper and policy of not kicking the ball or was that a bespoke approach for Tyrone?
I would hope we would play a similar shape as Tyrone game but not sure it could be described as double sweeper. Maybe a bit cuter than what people are used to from Mayo but it is more about getting bodies back urgently when the opposition have the ball and having at least one covering player back at all times. The urgent thing is crucial because there wasn't enough urgency there before Tyrone. Against Galway we were pedestrian everywhere but chasing back did not happen at all. Fermanagh, Kildare and Westmeath our energy levels left a bit to be desired as well especially as regards getting back behind the ball.
We kicked a lot of good ball v Tyrone. Kick-outs will go short if Tipp don t press up. If they do we can go long and could do alright. After what happened Galway I cant see Mayo play anything but a tight defensive game with huge intensity and try and not give Tipp any foothold in the game. That's what I'm hoping will happen.
Quote from: DuffleKing on August 19, 2016, 11:57:07 PM
Are Mayo likely to continue the double sweeper and policy of not kicking the ball or was that a bespoke approach for Tyrone?
Was it really a double sweeper? For a lot of the game, Tyrone only left 1 forward up so Mayo just held 2 defenders in their position instead of tracking the marker outfield. Tyrone live off turnovers and counter attacking at speed so being patient on the ball and not leaving the defense exposed was understandable.
Tipperary are a completely different side however so I suspect Mayo will set up differently.
Fcuk me can't believe we aren't there. Tyrone should have beat Mayo. Tip will.
Quote from: rrhf on August 20, 2016, 02:23:14 AM
Fcuk me can't believe we aren't there. Tyrone should have beat Mayo. Tip will.
Nah. Mayo should have beat Tyrone with a bit to spare. Tyrone got the most out of themselves this year.
Mayo should have put some daylight in when we were on top.
No doubt Tipp can win this. If they do, then you can console yourself that Tyrone were not there. Unless you are deluded that Tyrone would do better against Tipp than a team that had already beaten Tyrone.
I see a similar scoreline to when Tyrone beat Wexford in 2008 semi: 0-23 to 1-14 for Mayo.
Quote from: rrhf on August 20, 2016, 02:23:14 AM
Fcuk me can't believe we aren't there. Tyrone should have beat Mayo. Tip will.
That reminds me, I'm due a night out on the beers ;D
Quietest build up to a semi ever I'd say.
Hope Rochford starts Conor O'Shea, it's a game that could suit him. He has the look of a man ready to do damage.
I presume Diarmuid won't start?
I'd imagine Donie will man mark quinlivan and Higgins will look after fox.
Fully expect Mayo to win this easy enough! Hard to get excited about this particular match up though!
The Tipperary Senior Football team to play Mayo in the All Ireland Semi-Final Sunday is
1 Evan Comerford (Kilsheelan Kilcash)
2 Colm O Shaughnessy (Ardfinnan)
3 Alan Campbell (Moyle Rovers)
4 Ciaran McDonald (Aherlow)
5 Bill Maher (Kilsheelan Kilcash)
6 Robbie Kiely (Carbery Rangers)
7 Jimmy Feehan (Killenaule)
8 Peter Acheson Capt (Moyle Rovers)
9 George Hannigan (Shannon Rovers)
10 Josh Keane (Golden Kilfeacle)
11 Michael Quinlivan (Clonmel Commercials)
12 Brian Fox (Eire Og Annacarthy)
13 Kevin O Halloran (Portroe)
14 Conor Sweeney (Ballyporeen)
15 Philip Austin (Borrisokane)
Not worth risking, carrying injuries, needs a rest.
Quote from: highorlow on August 20, 2016, 03:51:52 PM
Not worth risking, carrying injuries, needs a rest.
He'll definitely start. His injury was some kind of knock so 2 weeks rest should be plenty.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on August 19, 2016, 05:30:40 PM
Think if Mayo are to win the final they need to be winning this by 5+ points. They will get no credit for inching past Tipperary, a decent victory should fill their sails with enough wind to seriously attack the final. So Mayo by 6 for me.
The margin by which a team wins a semifinal has no bearing on whether or not they win the final. If Mayo hammer Tipp it'll be said that Tipp were never any good to begin with, Mayo haven't been tested enough before the final, etc., if they win by a point, it'll be said that they made too much hard work of it, how will they beat an even better team in the final etc. All Mayo need to do is win the game, by whatever margin. The only way they have no chance of winning the final is if they're not in it. It doesn't matter how they get there.
For what it's worth, I think Mayo will win, but only by a couple of points or so. I think Tipp will throw the kitchen sink at them and are probably a bit better than people are giving them credit for. However, Mayo's experience, bench and physicality should see them through.
Up Tipp ( representing Connacht) but Rhus to win by 5.
Any word on ticket sales so far? All the talk on the radio is 50k which i really cant see myself.
On the subject of the margin of victory I think Tipperary will be more than happy with a one point win.
Quote from: tippabu on August 20, 2016, 05:42:56 PM
Any word on ticket sales so far? All the talk on the radio is 50k which i really cant see myself.
50,000 tickets sold was said earlier in the week, Croke PArk expecting 55,000 plus.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 20, 2016, 05:24:50 PM
Up Tipp ( representing Connacht) but Rhus to win by 5.
'Rhus'..... yawn. 'Mayowestros'.......yawn. As long as that attitude exists, you'll forever be in our shadow
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on August 19, 2016, 05:30:40 PM
Think if Mayo are to win the final they need to be winning this by 5+ points. They will get no credit for inching past Tipperary, a decent victory should fill their sails with enough wind to seriously attack the final. So Mayo by 6 for me.
Such nonsense. What did we beat you lot by? Was it impressive? Did we 'up it' for the next game? Every Mayo supporter will take a one point win tomorrow. hope we're not put through the ringer like that but we're all around long enough to know that this could get hairy tomorrow for a while. However we win, I'll take it.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 20, 2016, 05:24:50 PM
Up Tipp ( representing Connacht) but Rhus to win by 5.
How are Tipp 'representing Connacht'?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 20, 2016, 08:41:05 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 20, 2016, 05:24:50 PM
Up Tipp ( representing Connacht) but Rhus to win by 5.
How are Tipp 'representing Connacht'?
I assume because they beat the Connacht champions???
Tipperary bet Galway to take Connacht's semi final place.
Nice to discuss things with a MAYO man Farr - not one if those Rossies who won't support their own County ;)
Can't see anything but an easy win. I think Mayo will dominate midfield, wrap up most of Tipp's forwards and expose the Tipp defenders, none of whom would be elite though their half backs are brilliant on the front foot. Hope I'm wrong and they put in a great performance but this is a top level division 1 team against a top level division 3/low level division 2 team.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 20, 2016, 09:07:17 PM
Tipperary bet Galway to take Connacht's semi final place.
Nice to discuss things with a MAYO man Farr - not one if those Rossies who won't support their own County ;)
Jesus Ross you have an unusual reason for 'supporting' Tipp. :) Hope Zulu is right, but I expect a couple of hairy moments if Mayo do pull through. I guess we'll know this time tomorrow one way or another.
What odds for a draw and a replay 3 years in a row for semifinal stage for Mayo I wonder?
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 20, 2016, 09:05:31 PM
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Up Tipp ( representing Connacht) but Rhus to win by 5.
How are Tipp 'representing Connacht'?
I assume because they beat the Connacht champions???
Yep......mayo are representing ulster!!
Quote from: tippabu on August 20, 2016, 09:34:59 PM
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 20, 2016, 08:41:05 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 20, 2016, 05:24:50 PM
Up Tipp ( representing Connacht) but Rhus to win by 5.
How are Tipp 'representing Connacht'?
I assume because they beat the Connacht champions???
Yep......mayo are representing ulster!!
Cmon Tipp, bate them Nordies hoors :D
Quote from: tippabu on August 20, 2016, 09:34:59 PM
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 20, 2016, 08:41:05 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 20, 2016, 05:24:50 PM
Up Tipp ( representing Connacht) but Rhus to win by 5.
How are Tipp 'representing Connacht'?
I assume because they beat the Connacht champions???
Yep......mayo are representing ulster!!
At least we'll represent the majority on here so!
Quote from: tippabu on August 20, 2016, 09:34:59 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 20, 2016, 09:05:31 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 20, 2016, 08:41:05 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 20, 2016, 05:24:50 PM
Up Tipp ( representing Connacht) but Rhus to win by 5.
How are Tipp 'representing Connacht'?
I assume because they beat the Connacht champions???
Yep......mayo are representing ulster!!
Great to know that Tyrone and all of Ulster will be right behind us.
Quote from: moysider on August 20, 2016, 11:27:55 PM
Quote from: tippabu on August 20, 2016, 09:34:59 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 20, 2016, 09:05:31 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 20, 2016, 08:41:05 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 20, 2016, 05:24:50 PM
Up Tipp ( representing Connacht) but Rhus to win by 5.
How are Tipp 'representing Connacht'?
I assume because they beat the Connacht champions???
Yep......mayo are representing ulster!!
Great to know that Tyrone and all of Ulster will be right behind us.
That's what worries me. I'd prefer to have the whole feckin' lot of them out before me where I could see 'em.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 20, 2016, 09:07:17 PM
Tipperary bet Galway to take Connacht's semi final place.
Nice to discuss things with a MAYO man Farr - not one if those Rossies who won't support their own County ;)
Good article by Moran. The last paragraph really hits the right notes!
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-hoping-to-get-further-by-taking-a-different-route-1.2761959
think mayo will resort to the mayo that was struggling before the tyrone game and will just get over the line against tipp.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 20, 2016, 11:39:45 PM
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 20, 2016, 08:41:05 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 20, 2016, 05:24:50 PM
Up Tipp ( representing Connacht) but Rhus to win by 5.
How are Tipp 'representing Connacht'?
I assume because they beat the Connacht champions???
Yep......mayo are representing ulster!!
Great to know that Tyrone and all of Ulster will be right behind us.
That's what worries me. I'd prefer to have the whole feckin' lot of them out before me where I could see 'em.
Time we did another proper cattle raid up in Ulster.
If I were neutral I would be roaring for Tipp today and I intend to do that if they get to the final.
But I am hoping that the normal order of all things football is restored in this match and then overturned in the next one. :D
C'mon Mayo!
Ah no. The neutrals are back on our side again this year.
Tipp won't know what will have hit them today in the 1st twenty mins. We will do it by 10-15 points.
Mayo to win, then lose. As God intended.
Quote from: Ballaghman on August 20, 2016, 08:17:36 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on August 19, 2016, 05:30:40 PM
Think if Mayo are to win the final they need to be winning this by 5+ points. They will get no credit for inching past Tipperary, a decent victory should fill their sails with enough wind to seriously attack the final. So Mayo by 6 for me.
Such nonsense. What did we beat you lot by? Was it impressive? Did we 'up it' for the next game? Every Mayo supporter will take a one point win tomorrow. hope we're not put through the ringer like that but we're all around long enough to know that this could get hairy tomorrow for a while. However we win, I'll take it.
'Fraid I can't agree with you there.
Supposing it was Dublin or Kerry that were facing Tipp today, do you think the team or the supporters would be happy with a one point shitty win?
Especially after a string of most unpressive narrow wins over DIV 2 or lower teams.
You could put Tyrone or Monaghan or Cork there instead; any side with serious aspirations and name me one team that would wouldn't want to pysch up for the final.
I think Mayo have two big plusses going for them this year and if only the team could keep their minds on the task in front of them for the whole match instead of going off the boil at times, this could easily be the year we win the Sam Maguire.
DIarmuid is turning into the best forward I have seen in a Mayo jersey and Regan, Harrison and Durcan are shaping up very well into. The likes of Loftus and the baby bear are hanging about also so competition for places will be very sharp indeed.
But apart from the overall strengthening of the squad, Rochford/McEntee showed a sense of tactical awareness the last day that I never sawe in any Mayo manager before.
For all of this to mean anything on the third Sunday in September, Mayo will need to win in style today. The actual margin won't be as important as the manner in which Mayo go about achieving it.
I fear for Tipp here today.
Expect an eight point win for Mayo
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 21, 2016, 02:24:53 PM
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Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on August 19, 2016, 05:30:40 PM
Think if Mayo are to win the final they need to be winning this by 5+ points. They will get no credit for inching past Tipperary, a decent victory should fill their sails with enough wind to seriously attack the final. So Mayo by 6 for me.
Such nonsense. What did we beat you lot by? Was it impressive? Did we 'up it' for the next game? Every Mayo supporter will take a one point win tomorrow. hope we're not put through the ringer like that but we're all around long enough to know that this could get hairy tomorrow for a while. However we win, I'll take it.
'Fraid I can't agree with you there.
Supposing it was Dublin or Kerry that were facing Tipp today, do you think the team or the supporters would be happy with a one point shitty win?
Especially after a string of most unpressive narrow wins over DIV 2 or lower teams.
You could put Tyrone or Monaghan or Cork there instead; any side with serious aspirations and name me one team that would wouldn't want to pysch up for the final.
I think Mayo have two big plusses going for them this year and if only the team could keep their minds on the task in front of them for the whole match instead of going off the boil at times, this could easily be the year we win the Sam Maguire.
DIarmuid is turning into the best forward I have seen in a Mayo jersey and Regan, Harrison and Durcan are shaping up very well into. The likes of Loftus and the baby bear are hanging about also so competition for places will be very sharp indeed.
But apart from the overall strengthening of the squad, Rochford/McEntee showed a sense of tactical awareness the last day that I never sawe in any Mayo manager before.
For all of this to mean anything on the third Sunday in September, Mayo will need to win in style today. The actual margin won't be as important as the manner in which Mayo go about achieving it.
Regan can't beat Andy for a start and he should be at the prime of his career now - that says it all for me. While Diarmuid has risen as a footballer Cillian has regressed. Half a dozen of one and six of the other is the reality of it all Lar.
Really looking forward to this. Whoever wins this, I'd love to see them go on and win Sam.
Three Tipp wides in just 5 minutes. They may regret those yet.
Very good start by Tipp.
Ref has bought the Mayo appeals
Massive blow to Tipp that black a harsh call.
The sooner the black card is gone the better.
Great stuff Tipp
O'Connors got that black card by talking to the ref
A Meath man atoning for the '96 Mayo guilt to the severe disadvantage of their opposition once again. Black card my arse. :(
An O'Connor buys another free
Tommy Tom Tom is so biased it is beyond embarrassing
Referee isn't covering himself in glory.
Mayo have been woeful so far. They are managing the not inconsiderable feat of having lots of bodies back doing nothing while leaving Andy Moran be their only forward. Daft to say the least.
Harrison not exactly having a stormer, Lar..
Tipperary giving a good account of themselves so far. Great to see I hope they can keep it going.
Dire stuff from Mayo.
Tipp point #2 for the ref cheap frees
Mayos kicking is horrible. Thet look very very nervous.
That goal should settle Mayo.
A Mayo goal totally against the run of play could be a turning point of this game.
Ok Tipp, time to see what you're made of now.
Very harsh that half time score on Tipperary.
Mayo then up it a gear and the game is practically put to bed in that 10 minute period before the half.
Nothing against Tipp, but am so sick of those two clowns on the tv and their biased commentary that I really hope mayo win by 15pts
Quote from: joemamas on August 21, 2016, 04:11:14 PM
Nothing against Tipp, but am so sick of those two clowns on the tv and their biased commentary that I really hope mayo win by 15pts
+1
It was a black card.
Mayo hit a new gear after the goal and it's a cut above Tipp.
Mayo realised they weren't playing Dublin so went from tactics designed to keep them in touch with division 3 Tipp to seeing if they could beat them by, you know, playing football with a few lads in the forwards. I hope Tipp don't get hammered but it's hard to see that not happening from here.
By the way all is forgiven Tommy Carr, Christ Paul Earley talks like a child reading a difficult book to a big crowd. He is totally incapable of saying something short and incisive and instead rambles on incoherently. Driving me nuts!!
Moran showing All Star form there he's having a stormer!!
Quote from: Zulu on August 21, 2016, 04:16:13 PM
Mayo realised they weren't playing Dublin so went from tactics designed to keep them in touch with division 3 Tipp to seeing if they could beat them by, you know, playing football with a few lads in the forwards. I hope Tipp don't get hammered but it's hard to see that not happening from here.
By the way all is forgiven Tommy Carr, Christ Paul Earley talks like a child reading a difficult book to a big crowd. He is totally incapable of saying something short and incisive and instead rambles on incoherently. Driving me nuts!!
Count yourself lucky you are not watching rte commentary
Quote from: screenexile on August 21, 2016, 04:16:40 PM
Moran showing All Star form there he's having a stormer!!
He's been brilliant for Mayo this year. Class act.
Andy Moran in his 30s now is still the best forward from play for Mayo. For the balance of play in the first half Tipp should be leading at the break but Mayo turnovers has killed Tipp and they have exploited the weakness in their defence. Hard to see past a comfortable Mayo win now.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 21, 2016, 04:22:26 PM
Andy Moran in his 30s now is still the best forward from play for Mayo. For the balance of play in the first half Tipp should be leading at the break but Mayo turnovers has killed Tipp and they have exploited the weakness in their defence. Hard to see past a comfortable Mayo win now.
Best forward they have is a Roscommon man
Tom Carr is nauseating to listen to, I hope Mayo hammer them here. Mayo have just taken the foot off the gas in the second half here. I expect them to refocus though.
How does Keegan get away with it
Quote from: cicfada on August 21, 2016, 04:34:01 PM
Tom Carr is nauseating to listen to, I hope Mayo hammer them here. Mayo have just taken the foot off the gas in the second half here. I expect them to refocus though.
Awful to see hatred for Tipp.
Tommy Carr would you just f**k off, you know the rules the same as anybody else, stop trying to make them up as you go along
Tommy Carr is an asshole
Tipp have got their dander up.
Tipp point#3 for the ref
Fair play to Tipperary keeping at it have been the better side in this game but unfortunately find themselves behind.
Tipp playing well, Mayo pretty poor, they would need a full back, if Mayo had the 2 tipp forwards they win an -ireland
I feared for Tipp at half time but they are playing well, still in with a shout here.
Love they way marty and Tom are medical experts.
Jammy old goal. Mis hit shot falls perfectly for Conor O'Shea.
Two miss hit shots for a second Mayo goal. Maybe this is their lucky year?
Mayo always had the extra gear. Another AI final appearance.
Syferus must be delighted with that, another all ireland appearance for his favourite county and his hero Andy will start the final, did you know he went to the same school as him as well!?
Ref handing out cards to Tipp lads now
Dublin have such an easy route to win back-to-back AIs. Mayo will not trouble them.
That, was a dive
That was a disgraceful sending off of the Tipp number 5
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 21, 2016, 04:57:48 PM
Mayo always had the extra gear. Another AI final appearance.
According to someone on rte (Marty or Tommy), it's to do with the Afterburner.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 21, 2016, 05:02:43 PM
That was a disgraceful sending off of the Tipp number 5
Poor refereeing is a bigger crisis in our games rather than championship structures
Just seen the replay now, first time i ever saw a man sent of for a push / shoulder on a mayo man, thats shocking stuff!!
Quinlivan has barely been on the ball in this game
Mayo just done enough, there was always a sense of inevitability about the result.
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 21, 2016, 05:04:30 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 21, 2016, 05:02:43 PM
That was a disgraceful sending off of the Tipp number 5
Poor refereeing is a bigger crisis in our games rather than championship structures
Not a bigger crisis but one that needs addressing all the same. It's far to easy to get a card in football and this 'striking action' excuse is a load of nonsense. Getting these reds overturned is not much use to players or teams during the game.
Well done Mayo, the good news is we won't have to listen to Tom Carr in the final.......the bad news is, we might have to listen to Martin Carney now . Go on and win the bloody thing now .
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 21, 2016, 04:57:48 PM
Mayo always had the extra gear. Another AI final appearance.
Mayo looked very very leggy today . Are they in decline or trying to peak late in the year.
Without a massive improvement in the final, Mayo will be mincemeat, once again.
Hard luck to Tipperary a great effort today and championship season for them. Today they were beaten by two goals one against the run of play the other a fluke.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 21, 2016, 05:12:19 PM
Without a massive improvement in the final, Mayo will be mincemeat, once again.
Yes .
Overall Mayo were poor I thought and you just couldn't have any confidence in them winning an All Ireland with their forwards. Some of the misses today were totally unacceptable and is a trend with Mayo. You can't leave handy points behind against Dublin and expect to win.
Quote from: Zulu on August 21, 2016, 05:11:13 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 21, 2016, 05:04:30 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 21, 2016, 05:02:43 PM
That was a disgraceful sending off of the Tipp number 5
Poor refereeing is a bigger crisis in our games rather than championship structures
Not a bigger crisis but one that needs addressing all the same. It's far to easy to get a card in football and this 'striking action' excuse is a load of nonsense. Getting these reds overturned is not much use to players or teams during the game.
We've had a summer of reds being overturned and referees making wrong calls. Watching the olympics even small sports use video evidence. The GAA is a sport with millions in revenue.
As expected. I would expect Rochford to have them ready for the final.
They're ready every year, it's the quality of their forwards that's the issue.
Quote from: Zulu on August 21, 2016, 05:13:50 PM
Overall Mayo were poor I thought and you just couldn't have any confidence in them winning an All Ireland with their forwards. Some of the misses today were totally unacceptable and is a trend with Mayo. You can't leave handy points behind against Dublin and expect to win.
Unfortunately I have to agree with you
Quote from: Zulu on August 21, 2016, 05:13:50 PM
Overall Mayo were poor I thought and you just couldn't have any confidence in them winning an All Ireland with their forwards. Some of the misses today were totally unacceptable and is a trend with Mayo. You can't leave handy points behind against Dublin and expect to win.
Dublin are in the final? Since when?
Quote from: ashman on August 21, 2016, 05:11:27 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 21, 2016, 04:57:48 PM
Mayo always had the extra gear. Another AI final appearance.
Mayo looked very very leggy today . Are they in decline or trying to peak late in the year.
From the league right up today Mayo have looked leggy all year. As I said before this game the luck of draw has got Mayo into the All Ireland final more than anything else but lookit they are their and maybe they will find their past form in the final.
Mayo seem to be playing to this pattern
1st quarter hestitant
2nd quarter go for the throat
3rd quarter switch off
4th quarter cagey but defensively focused
Need to do some thing about that 3rd quarter if that want to win the final.
One decent display this year and we're in the final. That display should keep expectations in check.
Thought Brolly's eyes to heaven when the rest of the panel was talking about Mayo's chances for the all Ireland was incredibly disrespectful to a bunch of very dedicated footballers
Quote from: FL/MAYO on August 21, 2016, 05:23:37 PM
One decent display this year and we're in the final. That display should keep expectations in check.
If you're coming home for it, we must meet up ?? Maybe a certain Donegal man could take a trip south as well??
Expectation from Mayo will be low from Mayo going into the final. However they have an extra week to prepare and size up their opponents which is an advantage. Nobody is any the wiser as to what level Mayo are at but they will have to improve if they are to have any chance of winning Sam. Is the last survivor from 51 still alive?
Quote from: cicfada on August 21, 2016, 05:40:04 PM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on August 21, 2016, 05:23:37 PM
One decent display this year and we're in the final. That display should keep expectations in check.
If you're coming home for it, we must meet up ?? Maybe a certain Donegal man could take a trip south as well??
I wont be home Cic, just back after a month in Ireland. School has already started here so not like the old days before kids when I could head home anytime. Hope that you're all well in Cork, say hello to your speedster wife ;)
Disappointed that their journey is over, but I think they showed enough there to give optimism for going forward. I've said all year that the lads missing would have given that extra quality, so the real positive for Tipp is that, assuming they get at least 5 or 6 of the absentees back, there will be serious competition for places next year. They have to bank this, move on and concentrate on getting promotion.
For me, I thought Tipp did very well at times, but at other times Mayo's physicality in the tackle was a real difference. The kickouts were generally good, but when Mayo cranked up the pressure before half time, Comerford couldn't find a guaranteed target, and that ratcheted up the pressure even more. That said, I thought they regrouped well at half time, and they hung around until the second goal which obviously killed the game. The first goal, which kick started the Mayo spurt before half time was as a result of a silly error, but it was an error which had been planted by the way Mayo put the body in on those tackles. They are very strong, division 1 strong, in the tackle, and I got the sense that that is the one thing that Tipperary were not able to handle. It forced Tipp to be very lateral and uncomfortable on the ball at times, when they have shown admirable composure all year up until then.
For me, the black card was a vital moment, because of the depth issue, and it was silly by Robbie, and a definite black.
The red, too, looked harsh initially, but RTE showed a different angle, and I think Bill may have punched McLoughlin in the stomach, so that was probably a red too.
All told, from a Tipperary perspective, this was a great run but will only be great in the long term if they build on it. They have the ammunition to do so, and the work is still being done, so I'm optimistic and more than that, I am confident.
As for Mayo, I really, really hope they go on and do it. Andy Moran is class when his legs are going. Diarmuid O'Connor is still not himself, and Cillian O'Connor, in my opinion, is still a level below the really top forwards in the game. Aidan O'Shea is a beast of a man, but I think they need to give him a role, probably out around the middle, and let him settle into the game there. This lark of moving him around seems to be on a pre-planned basis, and with a player like that I think they should be a bit more willing to let him dominate games in a given position, and only go in as the target man if he needs a rest or something.
We were showed up today for what we really are.
Quote from: highorlow on August 21, 2016, 06:52:50 PM
We were showed up today for what we really are.
Who is that?
Me
Quote from: Rossfan on August 20, 2016, 05:24:50 PM
Rhus to win by 5.
Ahem ;)
Tommy Tom appalling again -"Black cards shouldn't be given after 8 minutes" FFS!!!
Rhubarbs will be happy to be in AI Final and written off after a few months of stuttering performances.
http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/footballer-of-the-year-jack-mccaffrey-leads-the-criticism-of-rte-commentator-tommy-carr/92266
hence my rant about Tommy Carr earlier!!
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2016, 05:01:41 PM
Dublin have such an easy route to win back-to-back AIs. Mayo will not trouble them.
I would be very worried now if I was a dub because as everyone knows Sufferus doesn't know his arse from his elbow when it comes to gaa or anything else for that matter.
Not alone will it be the greatest embarrassment of all time it will be one on the modern shocks if Dublin don't do the 2 in a row.
Good luck to them. I'm dreding the final. Our only hope is that Kerry do some serious injuries to ye.
The main talking point from that semi final was the performance of Tommy Tom Carr on co commentary. A bluffer of the highest degree.
Peter Acheson played through todays game with a broken hand. A tough cookie.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 21, 2016, 06:59:48 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 20, 2016, 05:24:50 PM
Rhus to win by 5.
Ahem ;)
Tommy Tom appalling again -"Black cards shouldn't be given after 8 minutes" FFS!!!
Rhubarbs will be happy to be in AI Final and written off after a few months of stuttering performances.
Would agree with that, a black card is a black card at any stage of a game. Mayo played mighty football for 10 mins and buried Tipp. Tipp can be very proud of their effort, played with no fear and had a real cut, none of this defensive sh-te. I respect that good luck to them.
Rochford in an interview after the match said that the Mayo players would be going back to their clubs this week for club championship games next weekend. Thought it very strange that the Mayo co board would schedule club matches prior to an AI final.
Is there one massive performance in this Mayo team?
There would want to be.
Strange game today.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 21, 2016, 08:45:44 PM
Rochford in an interview after the match said that the Mayo players would be going back to their clubs this week for club championship games next weekend. Thought it very strange that the Mayo co board would schedule club matches prior to an AI final.
There's one round in the groups left. Thought they might be left till after the final after the result today however.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 21, 2016, 06:59:48 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 20, 2016, 05:24:50 PM
Rhus to win by 5.
Ahem ;)
Tommy Tom appalling again -"Black cards shouldn't be given after 8 minutes" FFS!!!
Rhubarbs will be happy to be in AI Final and written off after a few months of stuttering performances.
And also he said a Tipp player shouldn't be getting one so early as this was their 1st semi in 80 odd years! What difference does that make? Clown
Quote from: Jinxy on August 21, 2016, 08:56:35 PM
Is there one massive performance in this Mayo team?
There would want to be.
Strange game today.
There is a feeling of not showing hand. It's like they don't want to be seen in a positive light. Either that or they are just Sh1te!
All part of a cunning Rhubarb master stroke of a plan ;)
Not the first time that Geebag Coldrick done Tipp . Seems to have a grudge against the Premier County ! He shouldn`t be let near a Tipperary game again ! ! !
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/tipperary-football-boss-peter-creedon-called-to-explain-comments-on-referee-david-coldrick-312971.html
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 21, 2016, 09:21:26 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 21, 2016, 08:56:35 PM
Is there one massive performance in this Mayo team?
There would want to be.
Strange game today.
There is a feeling of not showing hand. It's like they don't want to be seen in a positive light. Either that or they are just Sh1te!
Part of me thinks it is the perfect way to be heading into a final.
Mis-firing, under the radar, lowered expectations etc.
That's contingent on the players & management getting their act together over the next few weeks.
I think the players struggled to play with real intensity today because they have no history with Tipp.
Compare Keegan's attitude when he's marking Cavanagh or Connolly to his attitude today.
It was all very flat and to be honest, it was a game that was there to be won and nothing else, like most semi-finals.
I would be worried that you are still so reliant on Andy Moran and I think the management need to come up with a strategy that allows him to use his football brain to good effect but prevents him being exposed as a weakness due to lack of pace/stamina.
If you're looking for a silver lining to the cloud, Mayo's opponents in the final won't really know what the Mayo game-plan is.
I just hope Mayo know what the Mayo game-plan is by then.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 21, 2016, 09:36:46 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 21, 2016, 09:21:26 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 21, 2016, 08:56:35 PM
Is there one massive performance in this Mayo team?
There would want to be.
Strange game today.
There is a feeling of not showing hand. It's like they don't want to be seen in a positive light. Either that or they are just Sh1te!
Part of me thinks it is the perfect way to be heading into a final.
Mis-firing, under the radar, lowered expectations etc.
That's contingent on the players & management getting their act together over the next few weeks.
I think the players struggled to play with real intensity today because they have no history with Tipp.
Compare Keegan's attitude when he's marking Cavanagh or Connolly to his attitude today.
It was all very flat and to be honest, it was a game that was there to be won and nothing else, like most semi-finals.
I would be worried that you are still so reliant on Andy Moran and I think the management need to come up with a strategy that allows him to use his football brain to good effect but prevents him being exposed as a weakness due to lack of pace/stamina.
If you're looking for a silver lining to the cloud, Mayo's opponents in the final won't really know what the Mayo game-plan is.
I just hope Mayo know what the Mayo game-plan is by then.
Didn't he outscore his marker from play again today?
I dunno. Strange game, strange feeling leaving the ground. Playing in fits and starts all year long and if they're to win the final, they better have a few more tricks up their sleeve.
Quote from: highorlow on August 21, 2016, 07:53:56 PM
Not alone will it be the greatest embarrassment of all time it will be one on the modern shocks if Dublin don't do the 2 in a row.
Good luck to them. I'm dreding the final. Our only hope is that Kerry do some serious injuries to ye.
+1, sadly.
I thought mayo tactics with keegan were poor. End of first half he was pushing forward too much for quinlivan. Obvious answer was to push quinlivan into ff line and they did where keegan followed. This completely curbed keegan for quite a while . I think he may have eventually moved out but he's borderline mayo's biggest attacking threat so should be nowhere near the fb line.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 21, 2016, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 21, 2016, 07:53:56 PM
Not alone will it be the greatest embarrassment of all time it will be one on the modern shocks if Dublin don't do the 2 in a row.
Good luck to them. I'm dreding the final. Our only hope is that Kerry do some serious injuries to ye.
+1, sadly.
It won't stop ye getting a sugar rush the next three or four weeks. Mid West, the Western and the News with massive souvenir supplements, interviews with ex-players assuring the masses there's no curse and that these lads are from different stock, touring the schools in the county with the local players visiting, Irish TV will probably have a live show from Mitchels clubhouse.
Full turkey time.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 21, 2016, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 21, 2016, 07:53:56 PM
Not alone will it be the greatest embarrassment of all time it will be one on the modern shocks if Dublin don't do the 2 in a row.
Good luck to them. I'm dreding the final. Our only hope is that Kerry do some serious injuries to ye.
+1, sadly.
Ye're not alone. I just can't see us winning, and it's not 'put on' pessimism either. Even if Kerry come through.
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2016, 09:52:34 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 21, 2016, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 21, 2016, 07:53:56 PM
Not alone will it be the greatest embarrassment of all time it will be one on the modern shocks if Dublin don't do the 2 in a row.
Good luck to them. I'm dreding the final. Our only hope is that Kerry do some serious injuries to ye.
+1, sadly.
It won't stop ye getting a sugar rush the next three or four weeks. Mid West, the Western and the News with massive souvenir supplements, interviews with ex-players assuring the masses there's no curse and that these lads are from different stock, touring the schools in the county with the local players visiting, Irish TV will probably have a live show from Mitchels clubhouse.
Full turkey time.
How do roscommon usually deal with all-Ireland finals? ::)
As predicted. Plenty of hairy moments, spells where we blitzed them followed by longer spells where fell asleep. We won, we learn, we move on as massive underdogs. It appears as a result of this performance to be Dublin's or Kerry's to lose. Happy enough with that TBH.
Hard to believe Andy didn't get motm
Who did? Higgins?
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 21, 2016, 10:42:48 PM
Who did? Higgins?
Yea. Thought Andy would have myself.
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2016, 09:52:34 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 21, 2016, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 21, 2016, 07:53:56 PM
Not alone will it be the greatest embarrassment of all time it will be one on the modern shocks if Dublin don't do the 2 in a row.
Good luck to them. I'm dreding the final. Our only hope is that Kerry do some serious injuries to ye.
+1, sadly.
It won't stop ye getting a sugar rush the next three or four weeks. Mid West, the Western and the News with massive souvenir supplements, interviews with ex-players assuring the masses there's no curse and that these lads are from different stock, touring the schools in the county with the local players visiting, Irish TV will probably have a live show from Mitchels clubhouse.
Full turkey time.
You left out up for the match where Gráinne Seoige will be displaying her lucky Mayo nickers for ratings.
As poor a performance as any this year. The team is regressing and seem to be mentally and physically fatigued. The four weeks until the final will need to turn up some magic tricks or masterful tactics that will compensate.
Quote from: Chimley on August 21, 2016, 11:11:26 PM
As poor a performance as any this year. The team is regressing and seem to be mentally and physically fatigued. The four weeks until the final will need to turn up some magic tricks or masterful tactics that will compensate.
That would seem to be the case alright.
Definitely looked fitter, stronger and more focused last year.
Remind me again why they got rid of Holmes & Connelly?
Doesn't really matter how they get there, Mayo just need to turn it on once now.
Big worrying sign though is Diarmuid O'Connor, seems to be struggling for form whether it's injury related. He looks like a guy who is heavily fatigued.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 21, 2016, 11:20:49 PM
Quote from: Chimley on August 21, 2016, 11:11:26 PM
As poor a performance as any this year. The team is regressing and seem to be mentally and physically fatigued. The four weeks until the final will need to turn up some magic tricks or masterful tactics that will compensate.
That would seem to be the case alright.
Definitely looked fitter, stronger and more focused last year.
Remind me again why they got rid of Holmes & Connelly?
because apparently their were inept when it came to tactics.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 21, 2016, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 21, 2016, 07:53:56 PM
Not alone will it be the greatest embarrassment of all time it will be one on the modern shocks if Dublin don't do the 2 in a row.
Good luck to them. I'm dreding the final. Our only hope is that Kerry do some serious injuries to ye.
+1, sadly.
Just watched game again, aside from given a good piece of my mind to those two idiots (being kind) tommy tom tom and Marty ,
the most damming stat from the game in my mind is that Mayo forwards only scored one point from play in the last 38 mins of the second half including time added on. DOC scored one in 37th minute that was it. Lack of scoring forwards on the bench is very telling.
Andy Moran had a excellent first half, but could have been subbed well before the 60th minute. Tom Parsons did very well when he came on in the 50th minute, a bit late in my mind.
We kicked six bad wides up until the 26th minute.
Backs were very very loose in first half, some of them were also beaten one on one a concern.
I hope I am wrong, but that second half was brutal and I can not see us winning with a repeat.
Hard luck Tipp, well done Mayo.
Semi final form will be irrelevant when it comes to the final.
Mayo lads, if you were told you were definitely going to win the final, who would you prefer to do it against, Dublin or Kerry?
Quote from: Jinxy on August 21, 2016, 11:20:49 PM
Quote from: Chimley on August 21, 2016, 11:11:26 PM
As poor a performance as any this year. The team is regressing and seem to be mentally and physically fatigued. The four weeks until the final will need to turn up some magic tricks or masterful tactics that will compensate.
That would seem to be the case alright.
Definitely looked fitter, stronger and more focused last year.
Remind me again why they got rid of Holmes & Connelly?
Nope,won't remind you of actual reasons,two lads great servants to Mayo. Embarrassing stuff to be honest.
Eamon O Hara was hilarious on radio 1 after the match. The mans disdain for Mayo hold no bounds..
Job done. Didn't expect anything less from Tipp.
Mayo really needed to lay down a marker yesterday, you know for the journalists to have something to write about for the next few weeks. Even they must be getting more writing the same stuff at this stage.
Quote from: Hound on August 22, 2016, 07:17:25 AM
Hard luck Tipp, well done Mayo.
Semi final form will be irrelevant when it comes to the final.
Mayo lads, if you were told you were definitely going to win the final, who would you prefer to do it against, Dublin or Kerry?
Roscommon
Mayo couldn't have scripted a better way to the AIF.
Having said that, they are where they fully expected to be at the start of the year.
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2016, 09:52:34 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 21, 2016, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 21, 2016, 07:53:56 PM
Not alone will it be the greatest embarrassment of all time it will be one on the modern shocks if Dublin don't do the 2 in a row.
Good luck to them. I'm dreding the final. Our only hope is that Kerry do some serious injuries to ye.
+1, sadly.
It won't stop ye getting a sugar rush the next three or four weeks. Mid West, the Western and the News with massive souvenir supplements, interviews with ex-players assuring the masses there's no curse and that these lads are from different stock, touring the schools in the county with the local players visiting, Irish TV will probably have a live show from Mitchels clubhouse.
Full turkey time.
but wouldn't ye love to have that problem??
What do you expect from O Hara? Well within his right to dislike mayo tbf.
I think Mayo were unimpressive yesterday, Tipp with a bit more ruthlesslyness could have had 2/3 goals, mayo never kicked on even with 6 pts up, the lack of depth with tipp was key, mayo were always going to finish strong as they emptied the bench on tired tipp legs, tipp overplayed coming out of defence and once mayo slowed them down they turned them over, also mayo smothered midfield before half time were key turning points, look a lot of praise for andy moran for me is unfounded, he got good ball in loads of space with no marking and kicked them over, it wasn't hard imo, he wont get a that space the next day and when he has to fight for his ball he wont score, imo tipp were too loose yday at times,
Mayo may have 1 huge performance in them but in All Ireland Finals they usually go the other way and do they believe they beat Dublin or Kerry (I doubt it), mayo have had a lucky draw so far (look getting tipp a div3 in a AI semi is the stuff dreams are made of), and yesterday they got the breaks, the sending off and fluke goal all favoured them at vital stage, in other years refs have shafted them in semis and those decisions went the other way so they were due a break, they can only hope they get coldrick in the final,
Fair play to tipp, they showed great courage and no matter the blows the came back for more, at times the moved the ball brilliantly, I seen them against Sligo in the last rd of the league 0-18 to 3-9, we were far the better team, they were poor, only that draw suited both I feel we would of won easily and they showed massive improvement on that performance, it just shows the league to championship difference.
Quote from: iorras on August 22, 2016, 09:35:47 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2016, 09:52:34 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 21, 2016, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 21, 2016, 07:53:56 PM
Not alone will it be the greatest embarrassment of all time it will be one on the modern shocks if Dublin don't do the 2 in a row.
Good luck to them. I'm dreding the final. Our only hope is that Kerry do some serious injuries to ye.
+1, sadly.
It won't stop ye getting a sugar rush the next three or four weeks. Mid West, the Western and the News with massive souvenir supplements, interviews with ex-players assuring the masses there's no curse and that these lads are from different stock, touring the schools in the county with the local players visiting, Irish TV will probably have a live show from Mitchels clubhouse.
Full turkey time.
but wouldn't ye love to have that problem??
Damn right we would.
This new model of losing the match at the beginning of the season rather than the end may be genius from Mayo
Quote from: ballinaman on August 22, 2016, 07:52:50 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 21, 2016, 11:20:49 PM
Quote from: Chimley on August 21, 2016, 11:11:26 PM
As poor a performance as any this year. The team is regressing and seem to be mentally and physically fatigued. The four weeks until the final will need to turn up some magic tricks or masterful tactics that will compensate.
That would seem to be the case alright.
Definitely looked fitter, stronger and more focused last year.
Remind me again why they got rid of Holmes & Connelly?
Nope,won't remind you of actual reasons,two lads great servants to Mayo. Embarrassing stuff to be honest.
Eamon O Hara was hilarious on radio 1 after the match. The mans disdain for Mayo hold no bounds..
Job done. Didn't expect anything less from Tipp.
Mayo really needed to lay down a marker yesterday, you know for the journalists to have something to write about for the next few weeks. Even they must be getting more writing the same stuff at this stage.
I'm genuinely not trying to stir up a hornet's nest here, it just seems to me that the 2015 Mayo team would make bits of the 2016 Mayo team.
If Holmes & Connelly were dumped because of so-called 'tactical' failings, well I'm sorry but I've seen nothing from Rochford thus far to suggest he's an improvement in that regard.
Jinxy, I think the positioning of Barry Moran as a sweeper was not something Mayo would have traditionally done. It cost them big time against Kieran Donaghy a couple of times. I still felt Quinlivan and Sweeney won nearly every ball played into them, but his presence in there negated the high delivery, and also caused the ball in to be slower. That's a win for Rochford.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 22, 2016, 10:49:53 AM
I'm genuinely not trying to stir up a hornet's nest here, it just seems to me that the 2015 Mayo team would make bits of the 2016 Mayo team.
If Holmes & Connelly were dumped because of so-called 'tactical' failings, well I'm sorry but I've seen nothing from Rochford thus far to suggest he's an improvement in that regard.
Rochford's use of Barry Moran yesterday was a copy of a Holmes & Connelly strategy, which I thought interesting! But nothing wrong with that, if its the right strategy for a particular game.
He seems a "horses for courses" type, and changes tactics (although nothing drastic) from game to game.
It will be interesting to see what he comes up with for the final, and whether poor Keane gets handed the 3 jersey again only to sit on the bench!
Quote from: Hound on August 22, 2016, 11:03:57 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 22, 2016, 10:49:53 AM
I'm genuinely not trying to stir up a hornet's nest here, it just seems to me that the 2015 Mayo team would make bits of the 2016 Mayo team.
If Holmes & Connelly were dumped because of so-called 'tactical' failings, well I'm sorry but I've seen nothing from Rochford thus far to suggest he's an improvement in that regard.
Rochford's use of Barry Moran yesterday was a copy of a Holmes & Connelly strategy, which I thought interesting! But nothing wrong with that, if its the right strategy for a particular game.
He seems a "horses for courses" type, and changes tactics (although nothing drastic) from game to game.
It will be interesting to see what he comes up with for the final, and whether poor Keane gets handed the 3 jersey again only to sit on the bench!
Good point. I forgot about that. It was effective yesterday to a point.
I also haven't seen Aidan O'Shea on the edge of the square waving at balls flying over his head, so maybe that's another improvement.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 22, 2016, 10:59:57 AM
Jinxy, I think the positioning of Barry Moran as a sweeper was not something Mayo would have traditionally done. It cost them big time against Kieran Donaghy a couple of times. I still felt Quinlivan and Sweeney won nearly every ball played into them, but his presence in there negated the high delivery, and also caused the ball in to be slower. That's a win for Rochford.
Maybe, but to my mind, if you are going to use Moran as a sweeper, you have to start Parsons at midfield.
More fundamentally though, part of me thinks if you are re-jigging your defence to deal specifically with the attacking threat a division 3 team poses, you're in trouble.
Having served my time as a full-back, I firmly believe it is the one line of the field which you tamper with at your peril.
Mayo have one specialist full-back available and that is Kevin Keane.
Starting Barry Moran back there is basically a vote of no-confidence in him.
What do you do for the final, particularly if it's Dublin?
Moran isn't mobile enough to do a proper sweeping job against them but the Dublin FF line are well capable of winning one-on-one high balls.
Start with Keane and revert to a more mobile option for sweeper?
If that's the way Rochford goes, I can see Dublin raining ball in for the first 10-15 minutes.
If Keane is low on confidence and the Dubs smell blood in the water, that could be that.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 22, 2016, 11:05:28 AM
Quote from: Hound on August 22, 2016, 11:03:57 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 22, 2016, 10:49:53 AM
I'm genuinely not trying to stir up a hornet's nest here, it just seems to me that the 2015 Mayo team would make bits of the 2016 Mayo team.
If Holmes & Connelly were dumped because of so-called 'tactical' failings, well I'm sorry but I've seen nothing from Rochford thus far to suggest he's an improvement in that regard.
Rochford's use of Barry Moran yesterday was a copy of a Holmes & Connelly strategy, which I thought interesting! But nothing wrong with that, if its the right strategy for a particular game.
He seems a "horses for courses" type, and changes tactics (although nothing drastic) from game to game.
It will be interesting to see what he comes up with for the final, and whether poor Keane gets handed the 3 jersey again only to sit on the bench!
Good point. I forgot about that. It was effective yesterday to a point.
I also haven't seen Aidan O'Shea on the edge of the square waving at balls flying over his head, so maybe that's another improvement.
Aidan far less greedy than previous years too. He's looking to lay off first, whereas in previous years it was always head down and charge first.
Horses for courses. Part of a good tactician is to be able to react to things he sees, either in an attempt to exploit a weakness in the opposition, or to shore up a flaw in your own set up if the opponent does something unexpected.
So I'd expect him to set up with the most appropriate personnel and formation to cater for what he expects the opposition to do. And if it pans out that way, well and good. If they do something unexpected, then you have to switch it up.
The preparation for this is of course vital, you can't be making it up on the fly, but I'm sure they'll work on several different variations of their defensive scheme. A scheme which they have been working on for the entire year already.
It also helps to have versatile players, and Barry Moran, Aidan O'Shea, Lee Keegan, Kevin McLoughlin and Keith Higgins have proved they are serviceable in a variety of roles, even if their favourite and more effective one is not suitable for specific game/circumstances.
I'd give him the benefit of the doubt so far, but if he plays Barry Moran at full back/sweeper, and Kerry or Dublin are destroying them with low balls and fast movement, I'd expect him to react and change that up.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 22, 2016, 11:11:25 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 22, 2016, 10:59:57 AM
Jinxy, I think the positioning of Barry Moran as a sweeper was not something Mayo would have traditionally done. It cost them big time against Kieran Donaghy a couple of times. I still felt Quinlivan and Sweeney won nearly every ball played into them, but his presence in there negated the high delivery, and also caused the ball in to be slower. That's a win for Rochford.
Maybe, but to my mind, if you are going to use Moran as a sweeper, you have to start Parsons at midfield.
More fundamentally though, part of me thinks if you are re-jigging your defence to deal specifically with the attacking threat a division 3 team poses, you're in trouble.
Having served my time as a full-back, I firmly believe it is the one line of the field which you tamper with at your peril.
Mayo have one specialist full-back available and that is Kevin Keane.
Starting Barry Moran back there is basically a vote of no-confidence in him.
What do you do for the final, particularly if it's Dublin?
Moran isn't mobile enough to do a proper sweeping job against them but the Dublin FF line are well capable of winning one-on-one high balls.
Start with Keane and revert to a more mobile option for sweeper?
If that's the way Rochford goes, I can see Dublin raining ball in for the first 10-15 minutes.
If Keane is low on confidence and the Dubs smell blood in the water, that could be that.
Keane is strong and a very good fielder of the ball but he lacks pace and unless he has enough cover in front of him, it would be an area that the Dubs (especially) or Kerry would target for sure. Its a position that will take up a lot of Rochfords thoughts for the next few weeks for sure.
Quote from: Hound on August 22, 2016, 11:12:47 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 22, 2016, 11:05:28 AM
Quote from: Hound on August 22, 2016, 11:03:57 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 22, 2016, 10:49:53 AM
I'm genuinely not trying to stir up a hornet's nest here, it just seems to me that the 2015 Mayo team would make bits of the 2016 Mayo team.
If Holmes & Connelly were dumped because of so-called 'tactical' failings, well I'm sorry but I've seen nothing from Rochford thus far to suggest he's an improvement in that regard.
Rochford's use of Barry Moran yesterday was a copy of a Holmes & Connelly strategy, which I thought interesting! But nothing wrong with that, if its the right strategy for a particular game.
He seems a "horses for courses" type, and changes tactics (although nothing drastic) from game to game.
It will be interesting to see what he comes up with for the final, and whether poor Keane gets handed the 3 jersey again only to sit on the bench!
Good point. I forgot about that. It was effective yesterday to a point.
I also haven't seen Aidan O'Shea on the edge of the square waving at balls flying over his head, so maybe that's another improvement.
Aidan far less greedy than previous years too. He's looking to lay off first, whereas in previous years it was always head down and charge first.
He still does way too much of that for my money.
In the first half yesterday he had a man clean through inside him coming towards the 21 but he couldn't resist the urge to barrel into the defender straight ahead of him.
He needs to understand that if he gives it BEFORE he comes into contact with a defender he can keep going and contribute further as the play progresses.
Too often he takes contact, gets stood up, goes backwards/sideways and then lays it off.
Now people would argue that he's sucking in 2/3 defenders while this is going on, but the momentum of the attack is lost.
Dublin/Kerry will expect him to take defenders on and he won't have the same physical dominance over them that he has with the lesser lights.
I have been thinking about the way Mayo looked very flat yesterday and didn't hear the pundits mention the tough run of fixtures that Mayo have been involved in recently. Mayo have played a game in Croke park for three out of the past four weekends and that has to take a toll. It has been a very hard few weeks and now they can prepare with a bit of breathing space for the final.
Mayo have kinda stuttered their way into the final this year. Playing in fits and starts. I know a lot of people say it's a great way to reach a final as you dampen down hype and expectation but anyone who thinks that obviously has never been to Mayo in the build up to an All-Ireland final. I've seen some people suggest they are somehow hiding their light under a bushel but probably more likely is that this is the team they are now. Still capable of serious bursts of power but unable to sustain it. For the final it depends if you feel they have one big performance in them this year as nothing they've produced this Summer so far would be nearly good enough IMO. I'd be a bit worried that a 33 year old Andy Moran is currently their best forward. As good as he's been in the last couple games is he going to produce that against Kerry or especially Dublin? I'd have my doubts to be honest. That said they are in the final so that always gives you a chance in a two horse race.
Will it be the softest All Ireland Mayo ever lost?
Quote from: Chimley on August 22, 2016, 12:30:14 PM
I have been thinking about the way Mayo looked very flat yesterday and didn't hear the pundits mention the tough run of fixtures that Mayo have been involved in recently. Mayo have played a game in Croke park for three out of the past four weekends and that has to take a toll. It has been a very hard few weeks and now they can prepare with a bit of breathing space for the final.
had to have a laugh at this,these lads and other county teams preparing from before xmas!!!! games bring a team on and am sure they would rather be playing games than training with 2-3 week breaks as per norm in county gaa,talk of playing 3 games in 4 weeks taking its toll is far fetched as all county men nearly semi pro!!!
A lot of credit goes to Mayo for managing to reach an AI final without showing any sign of real form. This bunch have real character to keep coming back year after year and the experience they've accumulated along the way has probably got them this far.
Mayo managed to score 1-7 in 10 minute period yesterday which won them the game yesterday but the reality is its highly unlikely they'll have a spell like that again Dublin/Kerry as there's no way they'll loose so many of their own kickouts in a spell like that.
Their a long way of the 2013/14 team but really hope I'm wrong.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 22, 2016, 07:48:11 PM
Mayo managed to score 1-7 in 10 minute period yesterday which won them the game yesterday but the reality is its highly unlikely they'll have a spell like that again Dublin/Kerry as there's no way they'll loose so many of their own kickouts in a spell like that.
Quoting from http://www.the42.ie/mayo-tipperary-2-2941856-Aug2016/ about Tipperarys first half kickouts before and after the goal ...... "they went 7/9 pre goal and 5/8 until half time. It's less but hardly dramatically so"
The only real motivation Mayo had yesterday was fear of losing - same as Dublin in most games this year ... and neither team have set the world on fire.
And from a Mayo point of view, that is fine. A team can only go to the well so often in its life-cycle and so what would be the point in completely giving every fibre of your being in a game where, despite Tipps impressive 2nd half, there was never a real fear or doubt that Mayo would do enough imo.
I remember Niall Quinn saying that from his experience the difference between top level soccer and championship in GAA was that in soccer the vast majority only ever gave 90% because giving 100% week in week out would be impossible..... GAA championship on the other hand being 100%.
For Mayos its been all but week in week out ... 5 championship games in 7 weeks .... impossible to give 100% in all those .... and not the right thing to do if you want to be able ti give 'every fibre of your being' in September.
So, job done, rest up, get the bodies and tactics right and prepare to really and truly empty the tank on the 18th. The pity of course is that there is club championship in Mayo this weekend.
On Moran's performance yesterday I thought the Tipp defender marking him had a terrible performance in the first half - they stood way too far off him and gave him far too much space - Moran took advantage of it as a good intercounty forward should but there's no way any Dublin or Kerry back will be as poor and give him as much time and space. Once Tipp switched markers in the 2nd half of the game Moran went almost totally out of the game.
Quote from: blast05 on August 22, 2016, 09:10:05 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 22, 2016, 07:48:11 PM
Mayo managed to score 1-7 in 10 minute period yesterday which won them the game yesterday but the reality is its highly unlikely they'll have a spell like that again Dublin/Kerry as there's no way they'll loose so many of their own kickouts in a spell like that.
Quoting from http://www.the42.ie/mayo-tipperary-2-2941856-Aug2016/ about Tipperarys first half kickouts before and after the goal ...... "they went 7/9 pre goal and 5/8 until half time. It's less but hardly dramatically so"
The only real motivation Mayo had yesterday was fear of losing - same as Dublin in most games this year ... and neither team have set the world on fire.
And from a Mayo point of view, that is fine. A team can only go to the well so often in its life-cycle and so what would be the point in completely giving every fibre of your being in a game where, despite Tipps impressive 2nd half, there was never a real fear or doubt that Mayo would do enough imo.
I remember Niall Quinn saying that from his experience the difference between top level soccer and championship in GAA was that in soccer the vast majority only ever gave 90% because giving 100% week in week out would be impossible..... GAA championship on the other hand being 100%.
For Mayos its been all but week in week out ... 5 championship games in 7 weeks .... impossible to give 100% in all those .... and not the right thing to do if you want to be able ti give 'every fibre of your being' in September.
So, job done, rest up, get the bodies and tactics right and prepare to really and truly empty the tank on the 18th. The pity of course is that there is club championship in Mayo this weekend.
David Brady called the decision to play club championship matches at the weekend 'Kamikaze'.
With the winners of next week having to go through a war to win it will take them a week to recover was his point. It gives Mayo a two week advantage in prep. for final. If it wasn t for these club games.
What about the 95% of club players who probably haven't kicked a ball in anger since late June?
Quote from: Rossfan on August 22, 2016, 10:06:29 PM
What about the 95% of club players who probably haven't kicked a ball in anger since late June?
There have been league games. Would you want the same to happen in Roscommon?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2016, 10:49:06 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 22, 2016, 10:06:29 PM
What about the 95% of club players who probably haven't kicked a ball in anger since late June?
There have been league games. Would you want the same to happen in Roscommon?
K-Mac's new format for the senior championships runs throughout the summer in most long breaks in the IC championship calendar. So it already happens here. Been pretty successful at creating a competitive club championship at senior, something we haven't really had in a decade or more.
D Brady is like Cake's more earnest little brother.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2016, 10:49:06 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 22, 2016, 10:06:29 PM
What about the 95% of club players who probably haven't kicked a ball in anger since late June?
There have been league games. Would you want the same to happen in Roscommon?
Yes.
But sadly the situation may never arise :'(
Quote from: Rossfan on August 22, 2016, 10:06:29 PM
What about the 95% of club players who probably haven't kicked a ball in anger since late June?
There's the usual hand-wringing about the club players.
A friend of mine is training one of the clubs involved next weekend. 4 players will be missing because they are going to a concert. This is a senior club.
I remember from my own experiences fellas telling ye that they wouldn t be about for a club championship match because they were going away for a stag weekend. You just had to suck it up. Other crazy stuff happens too.
I'd take the club bleating with a pinch of salt.
Postpone these matches. Give the county team the best advantage they can get. I realise we will probably lose no matter how well we prepare for the final but that is neither here nor there. We are in an AI final and we need to throw the kitchen sink at it and see what happens. God knows when we will get back there again.
Ballintubber play Aughamore in a must win game for 'tubber. A lot of potential grief in that fixture alone.
Quote from: moysider on August 22, 2016, 11:22:47 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 22, 2016, 10:06:29 PM
What about the 95% of club players who probably haven't kicked a ball in anger since late June?
There's the usual hand-wringing about the club players.
A friend of mine is training one of the clubs involved next weekend. 4 players will be missing because they are going to a concert. This is a senior club.
I remember from my own experiences fellas telling ye that they wouldn t be about for a club championship match because they were going away for a stag weekend. You just had to suck it up. Other crazy stuff happens too.
I'd take the club bleating with a pinch of salt.
Postpone these matches. Give the county team the best advantage they can get. I realise we will probably lose no matter how well we prepare for the final but that is neither here nor there. We are in an AI final and we need to throw the kitchen sink at it and see what happens. God knows when we will get back there again.
Ballintubber play Aughamore in a must win game for 'tubber. A lot of potential grief in that fixture alone.
Wouldn't be tolerated at the club I played for and lord knows we were no world beaters.
As I was saying, a black card my arse -- referee Coldrick badly needs a refresher, as if he didn't wreak enough havoc in the Ulster Final :P ;)
"For me, the black card call was totally wrong. I felt he had his hand on Jason Doherty's back, an awkward tackle, at worst a pull on his jersey – which isn't a black card offence. As he fell, he and Doherty got tangled up – again, not a black card offence. I didn't see a deliberate drag down and I didn't see a deliberate trip. It was never a black card.
The black card, if you back to its origins, was brought in to prevent a player wrapping his arms around an opponent and dragging him to the ground. You know a cynical foul when you see it. A cynical foul is not a player having his hand on another fella's back as he's falling.
Jim Mc Guinness in today's IT (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/jim-mcguinness-muddling-through-won-t-do-for-mayo-in-the-final-1.2765063)
I think that was a black card. He dragged him (deliberately) back when he was running through, and he brought him to the ground. If the ref thought it was deliberate, then it's a clear black card.
The only mitigant would be if he thought it was accidental, and that is subject to the refs discretion.
It annoys me reading people saying Lee Keegan should have had a black card. For what? He didn't , that I could see, commit a black card offence. People say he deserved one for 'constant fouling' of Quinlivan, or for pulling his jersey. I despair.
100% a black card for Kiely.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 23, 2016, 09:29:30 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 22, 2016, 11:22:47 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 22, 2016, 10:06:29 PM
What about the 95% of club players who probably haven't kicked a ball in anger since late June?
There's the usual hand-wringing about the club players.
A friend of mine is training one of the clubs involved next weekend. 4 players will be missing because they are going to a concert. This is a senior club.
I remember from my own experiences fellas telling ye that they wouldn t be about for a club championship match because they were going away for a stag weekend. You just had to suck it up. Other crazy stuff happens too.
I'd take the club bleating with a pinch of salt.
Postpone these matches. Give the county team the best advantage they can get. I realise we will probably lose no matter how well we prepare for the final but that is neither here nor there. We are in an AI final and we need to throw the kitchen sink at it and see what happens. God knows when we will get back there again.
Ballintubber play Aughamore in a must win game for 'tubber. A lot of potential grief in that fixture alone.
Wouldn't be tolerated at the club I played for and lord knows we were no world beaters.
What would have been done?
Told not to go? Throw them off the panel when they went anyway?
To be honest, they wouldn't have done it in the first place moreso out of the fear of having to face their teammates.
In a proper club, discipline isn't maintained by the management, it's maintained by the senior players.
They set the tone and enforce the standard that is expected of everyone.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 23, 2016, 10:22:05 AM
I think that was a black card. He dragged him (deliberately) back when he was running through, and he brought him to the ground. If the ref thought it was deliberate, then it's a clear black card.
The only mitigant would be if he thought it was accidental, and that is subject to the refs discretion.
It annoys me reading people saying Lee Keegan should have had a black card. For what? He didn't , that I could see, commit a black card offence. People say he deserved one for 'constant fouling' of Quinlivan, or for pulling his jersey. I despair.
I agree, there seems to be this running narrative of people who don't know what they are talking about wanting lee Keegan to get sanctioned or sent off. that's what annoyed me most about the Sean Cavanagh/Mickey Harte pity party after the quarter final re the targeting bullshit, they some of it would stick. And they knew that so I don't understand why they would do it. Something in the locker for down the road maybe but at that stage, and even still, it could only have an advantage for Kerry or Dublin. So why do it?
When you listen to ex IC players talk about him, they are full of admiration for what he does. I'm sure hes a complete dose to be marked by, he does pull and drag off the ball at times, and sure maybe God help us, he might even trash talk, but there is zero evidence he has done anything bar be a damn good defender, and is not too bad going forward.
This year he has played 6 games, his man has scored 1 point from play. He has scored 6 himself!
Against Sean Cavanagh he had 33 possessions, Cavanagh had 9 before he was sent off with 10 minutes to go.
I really don't understand where the negativity is coming from, so far albeit with one game to go, it has to be one of the best defensive displays from a player in modern times. Look what he did to Diarmuid Connolly over two games last year. I don't get it.
I would, as I said before, but an asterix beside Keegan holding Quinlivan scoreless from play. I thought Quinlivan and Sweeney won most ball that came into them, and it was more that the Mayo defensive setup took away a lot of the direct ball Tipp like to play. Whenever a pass went in I thought the two lads were out in front and won a lot of ball. Keegan himself must have given away 2 or 3 frees that were pointed, so I'm not sure I would rate the scoreless from play stat that highly.
I used live with a lad in college who played corner back. Every Sunday he'd come back and say 'I kept my man scoreless from play again', and ever Sunday another lad from the same town would answer, 'Yeah, but he scored X frees, and you gave away 4 of them!'.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 23, 2016, 12:43:37 PM
To be honest, they wouldn't have done it in the first place moreso out of the fear of having to face their teammates.
In a proper club, discipline isn't maintained by the management, it's maintained by the senior players.
They set the tone and enforce the standard that is expected of everyone.
Have to agree with Jinxy. At a club with genuine ambition the players wouldn't even dream of missing championship for a concert or stag. Management wouldn't need to ask them not to go.
Quote from: blast05 on August 22, 2016, 09:10:05 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 22, 2016, 07:48:11 PM
Mayo managed to score 1-7 in 10 minute period yesterday which won them the game yesterday but the reality is its highly unlikely they'll have a spell like that again Dublin/Kerry as there's no way they'll loose so many of their own kickouts in a spell like that.
Quoting from http://www.the42.ie/mayo-tipperary-2-2941856-Aug2016/ about Tipperarys first half kickouts before and after the goal ...... "they went 7/9 pre goal and 5/8 until half time. It's less but hardly dramatically so"
The only real motivation Mayo had yesterday was fear of losing - same as Dublin in most games this year ... and neither team have set the world on fire.
And from a Mayo point of view, that is fine. A team can only go to the well so often in its life-cycle and so what would be the point in completely giving every fibre of your being in a game where, despite Tipps impressive 2nd half, there was never a real fear or doubt that Mayo would do enough imo.
I remember Niall Quinn saying that from his experience the difference between top level soccer and championship in GAA was that in soccer the vast majority only ever gave 90% because giving 100% week in week out would be impossible..... GAA championship on the other hand being 100%.
For Mayos its been all but week in week out ... 5 championship games in 7 weeks .... impossible to give 100% in all those .... and not the right thing to do if you want to be able ti give 'every fibre of your being' in September.
So, job done, rest up, get the bodies and tactics right and prepare to really and truly empty the tank on the 18th. The pity of course is that there is club championship in Mayo this weekend.
Thats fair enough with the kickouts, I was at the game and it just appeared Tipp really struggled during that period to win a kickout. I certainly recall then having much possession in the Mayo during that time, I just couldn't see Mayo having a period of domination like that against Kerry or Dublin. If Tipp had scored a goal during 10-15 minutes to go then you'd never know how Mayo would have reacted as they certainly struggled to react against Galway. Thankfully that didn't happen and without the goal Tipp were never going to win.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 23, 2016, 01:25:06 PM
I would, as I said before, but an asterix beside Keegan holding Quinlivan scoreless from play. I thought Quinlivan and Sweeney won most ball that came into them, and it was more that the Mayo defensive setup took away a lot of the direct ball Tipp like to play. Whenever a pass went in I thought the two lads were out in front and won a lot of ball. Keegan himself must have given away 2 or 3 frees that were pointed, so I'm not sure I would rate the scoreless from play stat that highly.
I used live with a lad in college who played corner back. Every Sunday he'd come back and say 'I kept my man scoreless from play again', and ever Sunday another lad from the same town would answer, 'Yeah, but he scored X frees, and you gave away 4 of them!'.
Quinlivan definitely outplayed Keegan in the first half. I thought Keegan got the upper hand in the second.
Wouldn't be so sure of Tipp being certain to get an All Star in the forwards. Especially if this Sunday is a shoot-out. Albeit if its wet and relatively low scoring like last year's AI final, then that would help their cause.
Some Mayo lads put a lot of emphasis on Keegan keeping Connolly quiet when they play the Dubs. But that's pretty much all Keegan does in those games, because its no easy job of course. Likewise Connolly does little bar keep Keegan occupied. Wouldnt be so sure that Mayo are getting the best of that bargain
In the first half of the first half I would say. keegan started attacking during mayo's dominant period and was a big factor.
Don't Foul has the Mayo v Tipperary match stats post published now.
https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/2016/08/23/mayo-v-tipperary-2016-ai-semi-final/
Anyone listen to Liam Kearins on off the ball last night? Thought he sounded a bit immature for an experienced manager and didn't have much praise for us at the weekend. I suppose that's the way they are down in Tralee.
Quote from: highorlow on August 24, 2016, 10:22:30 AM
Anyone listen to Liam Kearins on off the ball last night? Thought he sounded a bit immature for an experienced manager and didn't have much praise for us at the weekend. I suppose that's the way they are down in Tralee.
It came up on my podcast feed but I didn't bother listening to it as I reckoned it would only be annoying, and it sounds like I was right. The narrative of Tipp lost it and aren't they great lads, is starting to get abit annoying now, as is the "we were robbed by the ref" craic. When Tipp win a Munster championship they can perhaps be called great lads but it wouldn't surprise me for this Tipp team to do nothing after similar to Wexford in 2008 and Fermanagh in 2004. They'll take the odd scalp along the way but Liameen wouldn't want to be getting too carried away with himself.
Anyways, back to looking for tickets to the final....
In other news, Wolly's podcast is quiet good surprisingly. I say surprisingly because on Off The Ball he came across to me like he was just trying to be controversial all the time. Hes much more measured on this and makes a lot of sense. in fairness to him he must have some respect from the players as he manages to get them all on there, Aidan O'Shea, Michael Murphy, Andy Moran and Eamonn MCgee over recent weeks. Asks them uncomfortable questions as well without being a complete p***k about it.
His sidekick Conal something or other who I think joe.ie have foisted upon him can be a bit annoying but he doesn't say a massive amount. Speaking of lads who don't say a massive amount Paul Galvin has been on their a couple of times, in this weeks one he says the Gooch is going to make a massive impact on Sunday. Get yer money on him now for top Kerry scorer or something like that
I heard they're putting the Gooch in goals.
Revolutionary new tactic? Playing 2 keepers :o or is it 3 with the regular no1 and Sheehan plus Cooper?
If it works we'll have every Junior B crowd at it next year.
Quote from: iorras on August 24, 2016, 10:52:24 AM
Quote from: highorlow on August 24, 2016, 10:22:30 AM
Anyone listen to Liam Kearins on off the ball last night? Thought he sounded a bit immature for an experienced manager and didn't have much praise for us at the weekend. I suppose that's the way they are down in Tralee.
It came up on my podcast feed but I didn't bother listening to it as I reckoned it would only be annoying, and it sounds like I was right. The narrative of Tipp lost it and aren't they great lads, is starting to get abit annoying now, as is the "we were robbed by the ref" craic. When Tipp win a Munster championship they can perhaps be called great lads but it wouldn't surprise me for this Tipp team to do nothing after similar to Wexford in 2008 and Fermanagh in 2004. They'll take the odd scalp along the way but Liameen wouldn't want to be getting too carried away with himself.
Anyways, back to looking for tickets to the final....
In other news, Wolly's podcast is quiet good surprisingly. I say surprisingly because on Off The Ball he came across to me like he was just trying to be controversial all the time. Hes much more measured on this and makes a lot of sense. in fairness to him he must have some respect from the players as he manages to get them all on there, Aidan O'Shea, Michael Murphy, Andy Moran and Eamonn MCgee over recent weeks. Asks them uncomfortable questions as well without being a complete p***k about it.
His sidekick Conal something or other who I think joe.ie have foisted upon him can be a bit annoying but he doesn't say a massive amount. Speaking of lads who don't say a massive amount Paul Galvin has been on their a couple of times, in this weeks one he says the Gooch is going to make a massive impact on Sunday. Get yer money on him now for top Kerry scorer or something like that
Sickening arrogance.
Ah no, seriously, Liam Kearns does say stuff that you'd rather he didn't, but he has gotten a lot out of this group of players. As to whether Tipp kick on or not, we'll see. Where they are probably in a better place than the teams you mention is a) They have lads who were unavailable this year coming back in, which will add to the competition, and b) They have young lads coming through which will hopefully continue.
But it's no good to Tipp unless they kick on, and I think everybody involved in football in Tipp understands that, and is excited by the challenge.
Thought Keans was fine on OTB last night. Didn't disrespect anyone and simply came across as disappointed. People hearing what they want to hear I think.
Quote from: StephenC on August 24, 2016, 12:36:38 PM
Thought Keans was fine on OTB last night. Didn't disrespect anyone and simply came across as disappointed. People hearing what they want to hear I think.
I agree, I'm not sure what the 2 Mayo lads are complaining about. He gave Mayo a bit of praise and said they were a top team, not sure what else they want. It was hardly an outstanding performance from Mayo that would warrant too much praise.
I see Acheson has said he won't play next year for Tipp, is he planning on going travelling as he's too young to retire?
He's been planning to go to Dubai with his girlfriend for the past two years, and kept putting it off. He decided to stay this year because Kearns made him captain. I'd say he feels if he doesn't go, he'll never go, and his girlfriend really wants to go. You have to live your life too.
Ok maybe I was miss reading Kearins.
You have to take into account that he watched a full re-run of the match the day before and must have been influenced by Tom Tom Carr's commentary. He was more or less saying that common sense should prevail when issuing black cards so early on in a match, the Mitchells lads would tend to agree with that one!
So when does "common sense" say we should start implementing the rules in a game? ::)
I hate this phrase/idea that the ref should have applied common sense because it was early in the game!
The ref is not there is apply common sense, he's there to apply the rules!
If a black/yellow/red card offense takes place in the first minute or the last minute the ref is supposed to apply the rules. He is not supposed to say it's too early in the game to send someone off so I'll ignore that offence!
Now, admittedly the black card for the tipp guy was probably harsh, but to be fair to the ref, he has to make a call on it! If he thinks it's a black card offence then he has to issue the card, regardless of the fact that it was very early in the game.
Especially when the definition of common sense appears to be 'don't apply the rules where they negatively impact my team unless the game is won'
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 26, 2016, 10:12:25 AM
Especially when the definition of common sense appears to be 'don't apply the rules where they negatively impact my team unless the game is won'
;D ;D ;D
Very True!
Quote from: westbound on August 26, 2016, 10:13:47 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 26, 2016, 10:12:25 AM
Especially when the definition of common sense appears to be 'don't apply the rules where they negatively impact my team unless the game is won'
;D ;D ;D
Very True!
Spot on AZ ;D
Was abroad so had to watch this one on the Telly. RTE was what was available at the Pub that was showing the game (which I only had to travel 18 miles to find). Tommy Carr surpassed his usual incompetent self. How RTE continue to put co-commentator with a natural bias toward one of the counties involved beggars belief. They do the same thing countless times with Martin Carney (Mayo/Donegal). Anyway any decision by the referee against Tipp was questioned by Tipp Tom. Marty rowed in now and again, but after a while realised he had to hold his station. Naturally any neutral would want Tipp to win ( I would if they were playing anybody else). But you have to have balance when commentating on a game, especially when you are getting paid for it and it's not on a local radio station. Despite this, I was glad to get to see it as I thought I might be relying on score updates from the net.
This was always going to be a potential banana skin for Mayo. Win by a lot - and sure it's only a Third division side. Win by a little - and get less credit. Lose - and you need not think of coming home. Semi finals are all about winning. And Mayo did that. We were great for the last 15 minutes of the first half, really we won the game here. The second quarter of every game seems to be this teams time. Rest of the game we were either average or completely useless. But, we won the game pulling up thanks mainly to a lucky goal. Despite our mediocrity we are still closing games out comfortably. Unlike Kerry and Dublin, this group have had a lot of games this summer and in quick succession. Just doing enough, seems to be the order of the day. Winning by more, while picking up suspensions or injuries is not what we want.
So here we are 70 minutes away from heaven or another hell. Hype is non existent. If we had beaten Tyrone in the semi final there would have been the crest of wave feel. But that Quarter final win has been forgotten and suddenly Tyrone who were called a Division One team before we played them have down graded by the media to a Promoted team from division two. After Sundays El Classico, there will be little or no talk of Mayo. Just about Kerry or Dublin definitely winning another title. Any sort of mad formation can start the final for Mayo. Have we ever went into an AI final better?
To answer your question, we probably haven't come in better nick from an expectation point and the weird way that is considered an advantage only in GAA but not in any other sport :)
But, theres always the possibility that some of the weaknesses we've seen this year, such as:
1. Fading badly in games for long periods, for whatever reason
2. acceding the space between midfield and up to around our 21 to allow teams to run at us
will come back to haunt us badly in the final
I hate to bring it up but I have distinct not very pleasant memories of staring at the concrete in the Cusack after 20 minutes in the 2004 and 2006 finals watching the flaws that we had seen previously in those few seasons which we had taken a "sure it'll be all right" on the day attitude to prior to those games, being ruthlessly exposed by Kerry on both occasions.
I know this team is different and all that, but it does worry me some.
Quote from: iorras on August 26, 2016, 12:02:52 PM
To answer your question, we probably haven't come in better nick from an expectation point and the weird way that is considered an advantage only in GAA but not in any other sport :)
But, theres always the possibility that some of the weaknesses we've seen this year, such as:
1. Fading badly in games for long periods, for whatever reason
2. acceding the space between midfield and up to around our 21 to allow teams to run at us
will come back to haunt us badly in the final
I hate to bring it up but I have distinct not very pleasant memories of staring at the concrete in the Cusack after 20 minutes in the 2004 and 2006 finals watching the flaws that we had seen previously in those few seasons which we had taken a "sure it'll be all right" on the day attitude to prior to those games, being ruthlessly exposed by Kerry on both occasions.
I know this team is different and all that, but it does worry me some.
Yeah, the gun-ho attitude we went into games has been lost this year. We are more conservative. Not saying we won't get a hiding! Who is to know? Rochford looks to be very influenced with our goal concession. This is his priority.
I have to say I seen (we all seen) the hiding in the 2006 final!
The last days win over Tipp reminded me of 1997 when we beat Offaly after a workman like performance, this came after the high of beating Galway. We ended up very flat in that final.