Apologies for starting the most boring thread imaginable. The only things of interest here is when the various teams who are not Dublin go into the qualifiers and how much Dublin can hammer their opponents. Dwindling attendances are expected to be another feature.
It starts this weekend anyway:
Leinster G.A.A. S.F.C. 2016
1. Laois v Wicklow O'Moore Park, Portlaoise 14.5.2016 (Sat) 7.00pm
2. Louth v Carlow O'Moore Park, Portlaoise 14.5.2016 (Sat) 5.00pm
3. Longford v Offaly O'Connor Park, Tullamore 15.5.2016 3.30pm
QUARTER FINALS:
4. Laois/Wicklow v Dublin Nowlan Park 4.6.2016 (Sat) 7.00pm (TV)
5. Louth/Carlow v Meath Parnell Park/Pairc Tailteann 12.6.2016
6 Longford/Offaly v Westmeath TEG Cusack Park, Mullingar 12.6.2016
7 Wexford v Kildare Croke Park 21.5.2016 (Sat) 5.15
SEMI FINALS:
8. Winner 4 v Winner 5 Croke Park 26.6.2016
9. Winner 6 v Winner 7 Croke Park 26.6.2016
FINAL: Winner 8 v Winner 9 Croke Park 17.7.2016
Laois and Wicklow you'd imagine would be straightforward for Laois but last year Wickow sacrificed the league to be fit for the championship where they gave Meath a big scare and are capable of a scalp. Both teams would be happy enough to go into the qualifiers without taking a Dublin hammering too.
Carlow and Louth could be close too, Louth have gone back a long way while Carlow showed some promise in the League. Still Louth should have enough.
Longford and Offaly go at it again. Offaly are going in the right direction and should do it.
The Larries/Biffos/Landgrabbers v Wexford/Kildare half of the draw will be even enough and any if them could win through to the Execution.
Other side should see Meath getting hammered by Dublin in the semi.
Will the 7 games not involving Dublin manage to attract 50,000?
Quote from: Rossfan on May 09, 2016, 11:26:26 PM
Will the 7 games not involving Dublin manage to attract 50,000?
Unlikely, Meath and Louth might have a bit of a turnout if it happens. Kildare and Wexford would have gotten a respectable crowd if played in Carlow but the Dublin Hurlng fans will bring it above 20000 in Croke Park so it probably balances out.
15 weeks to play 4 rounds of football. Could easily be condensed into 10 weeks to leave latitude for replays. 15 weeks of a slow death march...
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 10, 2016, 09:22:17 AM
15 weeks to play 4 rounds of football. Could easily be condensed into 10 weeks to leave latitude for replays. 15 weeks of a slow death march...
It's only 9, we'll make it six for ye 8)
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 10, 2016, 09:28:33 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 10, 2016, 09:22:17 AM
15 weeks to play 4 rounds of football. Could easily be condensed into 10 weeks to leave latitude for replays. 15 weeks of a slow death march...
It's only 9, we'll make it six for ye 8)
Happily take that. A possible semi-final no team wants to win, could be a nil all draw...
And Id happily take a Leinster Final with no expectations. How many have Kildare been in recently? One final appearance in last 12 I think. We're certainly not too big for our boots that we would shun a day out against the best team in the sport.
Quote from: LilySavage on May 10, 2016, 12:13:27 PM
And Id happily take a Leinster Final with no expectations. How many have Kildare been in recently? One final appearance in last 12 I think. We're certainly not too big for our boots that we would shun a day out against the best team in the sport.
Mayo don't play in Leinster
Quote from: LilySavage on May 10, 2016, 12:13:27 PM
And Id happily take a Leinster Final with no expectations. How many have Kildare been in recently? One final appearance in last 12 I think. We're certainly not too big for our boots that we would shun a day out against the best team in the sport.
Then we lose badly and the whinging starts and it will start especially in this knee jerk instant reaction society we currently live in - bad defeats can stunt a team's development especially a young side like ours. Would much prefer a nice run in the qualifiers and an All-Ireland quarter-final and a performance.
I've a great feeling about this year.
Surely the situation has to end some time. Has a formerly competitive provincial championship ever been so one sided ?
Tension beginning to build
I hope they never do away with the Leinster Championship. It's great preparation for the O'Byrne Cup.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on May 09, 2016, 09:31:09 PM
Carlow and Louth could be close too, Louth have gone back a long way while Carlow showed some promise in the League. Still Louth should have enough.
No idea where you are getting this from. Louth won Div 4 along the way beating Carlow in Carlow by 13 points! I seriously doubt it will be close, anything less than a 10 point defeat would be a sort of success for us sadly.
I'm not missing out like I did by not putting any money on Leicester City.
€50 on Longford it is.
Lowest ever attendance at a Leinster final ???
Quote from: stevecw on May 10, 2016, 05:35:12 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on May 09, 2016, 09:31:09 PM
Carlow and Louth could be close too, Louth have gone back a long way while Carlow showed some promise in the League. Still Louth should have enough.
No idea where you are getting this from. Louth won Div 4 along the way beating Carlow in Carlow by 13 points! I seriously doubt it will be close, anything less than a 10 point defeat would be a sort of success for us sadly.
I still expect Louth to win but Carlow have had a good league by their low standards and Louth are nowhere near as good as they were 3 or 4 years ago. I just would not be surprised if Carlow ran them close.
Granted I haven't seen either team play recently with the last time I seen Louth in person was Kildare annihilating them in Croke Park 2 years ago in one of the most pathetic displays I can remember.
Quote from: ashman on May 10, 2016, 07:26:51 PM
Lowest ever attendance at a Leinster final ???
We'll bring a good crowd.
Quote from: laoislad on May 10, 2016, 05:52:15 PM
I'm not missing out like I did by not putting any money on Leicester City.
€50 on Longford it is.
It would be great if the dubs did a Chelsea or Man U this year
3-16 to 18pts win for Laois here in Portlaoise.
Marvellous attacking football on show in both games.
Yet more evidence that Leinster remains the most entertaining of all the provincial championships.
Hats off to the four teams in action tonight.
Eagerly anticipating the midlands showdown between the Biffos and Larries in Tullamore tomorrow.
Saw highlights on Rory's Stories, looked good.
Offaly 1-12 Longford 1-6
Superb scoring in 35 minutes of football. The Leinster Championship just keeps on giving.
No Sunday Game Live today? Are they afraid that the lazy free-state bastards won't get off their fat euro-a-block builders arses to go to the game if it's shown on tv??
Quote from: StGallsGAA on May 15, 2016, 04:23:56 PM
No Sunday Game Live today? Are they afraid that the lazy free-state b**tards won't get off their fat euro-a-block builders arses to go to the game if it's shown on tv??
Says the buck wondering about TV coverage when his own county is playing..
QuoteQuote from: StGallsGAA on Today at 04:23:56 PM
No Sunday Game Live today? Are they afraid that the lazy free-state b**tards won't get off their fat euro-a-block builders arses to go to the game if it's shown on tv??
Says the buck wondering about TV coverage when his own county is playing..
My county play next week. Tickets in hand😉
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 14, 2016, 08:49:01 PM
Marvellous attacking football on show in both games.
Yet more evidence that Leinster remains the most entertaining of all the provincial championships.
Hats off to the four teams in action tonight.
Eagerly anticipating the midlands showdown between the Biffos and Larries in Tullamore tomorrow.
Or the province where the teams have the least idea how to defend as a team ;)
Jonny Magee's comments about the fact that Wicklow were able to score 18 points against Laois not boding well for Laois's chances against Dublin sound fairly ominous to me.
The upping in standard when the Antrim Fermanagh game came on was very noticeable compared to the Leinster matches, some hilarious scores in the games in Leinster. They seem to be playing some sort of hybrid tag defending, space everywhere, inside forwards winning balls about four feet in front of their markers, handy scores being clipped over by unmarked men.
In the Ulster game you had some great scores being kicked in the face of tigerish marked and confined spaces. Wee Pete has done a terrific job there and in terms of attitude and approach to the game they are an example to any other county. No fear, no respect, they go out and play the game the way they feel suits them best and they're getting good rewards in doing so.
Antrim were a bit disappointing, thought they would have given Fermanagh a better game of it with the players they have back this year and the decent league showing they had.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on May 15, 2016, 11:24:00 PM
The upping in standard when the Antrim Fermanagh game came on was very noticeable compared to the Leinster matches, some hilarious scores in the games in Leinster. They seem to be playing some sort of hybrid tag defending, space everywhere, inside forwards winning balls about four feet in front of their markers, handy scores being clipped over by unmarked men.
In the Ulster game you had some great scores being kicked in the face of tigerish marked and confined spaces. Wee Pete has done a terrific job there and in terms of attitude and approach to the game they are an example to any other county. No fear, no respect, they go out and play the game the way they feel suits them best and they're getting good rewards in doing so.
Antrim were a bit disappointing, thought they would have given Fermanagh a better game of it with the players they have back this year and the decent league showing they had.
Philistine.
If gaelic football was art, the Leinster championship would be a painting by Salvador Dali.
The Ulster championship would be a CAD drawing.
CAD drawing :) Brilliant
Quote from: Jinxy on May 16, 2016, 09:04:36 AM
If gaelic football was art, the Leinster championship would be a painting by Salvador Dali.
The Ulster championship would be a CAD drawing.
The Leinster Championship would be a crayon colouring book with Dublin being an adult and everyone else being a child.
We could also have Kildare and Meath as mid teens in remedial class.
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The Connacht championship.
Leinster football championship
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Wexford at 9/2 are a ridiculously big price to beat Kildare next Saturday, Kildare are missing arguably our 2 best players in Niall Kelly and Daniel Flynn, still can't defend and are in a bad way panel wise. Wexford and some Dublin hurling supporters will outnumber Kildare fans in Croke Park by at least 10 to 1 and although Wexford failed to get promoted from division 4 they will have no fear of Kildare. They should know by now if they keeping running at Kildare they should get 7 or 8 goal chances in the game.
Rory Hickey refs, which is not a bad thing from a Kildare point of view as he allows tackling but there still remains serious issues in that defence.
It's a big game for David Power as well. His first foray into senior inter county hasn't gone as he would have hoped. I know he has designs on the Tipp job eventually, but he's going to have to do more than fail to get promotion out of Division 4, and have early championship exits. A win over a Cian O'Neill led Kildare would be a huge boost for him and his profile.
Niall Kelly, Dan Flynn and Eoin Doyle out? We could be facing a major malfunction.
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Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on May 17, 2016, 07:56:39 PM
Wexford at 9/2 are a ridiculously big price to beat Kildare next Saturday, Kildare are missing arguably our 2 best players in Niall Kelly and Daniel Flynn, still can't defend and are in a bad way panel wise. Wexford and some Dublin hurling supporters will outnumber Kildare fans in Croke Park by at least 10 to 1 and although Wexford failed to get promoted from division 4 they will have no fear of Kildare. They should know by now if they keeping running at Kildare they should get 7 or 8 goal chances in the game.
Rory Hickey refs, which is not a bad thing from a Kildare point of view as he allows tackling but there still remains serious issues in that defence.
Sad to see the Kildare support being at a low ebb. Hopefully ye won't be in the doldrums for long.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 17, 2016, 08:57:30 PM
Niall Kelly, Dan Flynn and Eoin Doyle out? We could be facing a major malfunction.
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Eoin Doyle was never really expected to be back considering he has been out all year pretty much, when he does get fit again I'd like to see him tried at corner back. Although a different sport I thought he acquitted himself very well there in the International rules game. Although he gives everything I never thought he was the answer at 6 either.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on May 17, 2016, 09:17:46 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 17, 2016, 08:57:30 PM
Niall Kelly, Dan Flynn and Eoin Doyle out? We could be facing a major malfunction.
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Eoin Doyle was never really expected to be back considering he has been out all year pretty much, when he does get fit again I'd like to see him tried at corner back. Although a different sport I thought he acquitted himself very well there in the International rules game. Although he gives everything I never thought he was the answer at 6 either.
Yeah he was never likely to feature but he'd be handy to have around with the other two out. He dragged Kildare over the line against Offaly in Tullamore last year.
Kelly missing is a savage blow. He's irreplaceable. His form was one of the bright spots of the league along with Flynn's return and now both of them are gone.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 17, 2016, 09:07:21 PM
Sad to see the Kildare support being at a low ebb. Hopefully ye won't be in the doldrums for long.
Although I still believe that Cian O'Neill is the best man available for the Kildare job there is a huge air of negativity around the county as League performances were poor, no progress has been made on improving tackling which is our biggest weakness, the squad is arguably weaker than last year with accusations of pro Moorefield bias having some merit unfortunately.
There is a talented bunch of under 21 players there this year but the majority of those asked turned down the opportunity while one who did make it messed up by going to the races instead of training.
The level of support attendance wise has been on a downward trajectory for a while now but has collapsed completely post McGeeney, even just 4 years ago Kildare packed out Breffni Park.
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€25 for the match Saturday evening won't help either.
They're not charging €25 for a Prelim Round game?! :o
Curtain raiser for Dublin hurlers which to be fair shouldn't be a bad game. It would have made a lot more sense to have Kildare and Wexford played in Carlow with the hurling in Parnell Park or Wexford but Leinster GAA don't give a shit about non Dublin football fans.
Presumably a "Dublin/Corporate Event" to make up for moving Dublin footballers to Nowlan Pk? >:(
Only thing that is making me think Wexford have a chance is that they took out Down in the qualifiers last year IIRC. The fact they didn't push hard for promotion won't help them but they are capable of putting one big performance together. Kildare, even missing the buckos, should have more than enough to win by 5.
Kildare to win this pulling up.
Wexford didn't get promoted but they did score 10-104 which was the highest total of all side in the league (sounds great but it was against Division 4 defences and batterings of Wicklow and London at home accounted for a serious chunk of this with scores of 4-23 and 4-20)
The win against Down last year was at home in Wexford Park. The Kildare lads would have more experience with Croke Park than the Wexford boys. The one thing I would be wary about for Kildare was how disorganised their defence looked in the league final - they conceded 2-17 to Clare and the defence just looked in disarray I thought [they looked like a team who would give up a lot of goal chances] - you can't just snap your fingers and get a defence sorted out. If Wexford could get an early goal I could see it being tighter than expected and not at all comfortable for Kildare but Kildare would have to have a very off day for Wexford to get the win.
Are they opening the hill for this?
Great win for Longford juniors over Cavan last night in the Leinster junior championship.
Longford were 10 points down at one stage. Final score was Longford 3-15 Cavan 2-15
By all accounts it was a cracker.
Need big performances from Flats, Neil Flynn and Cribbin to compensate for the loss of Kelly. Get that and we will probably get through a high-scoring game.
Should Wexford not have home advantage with it being a quarter final?
Quote from: Esmarelda on May 19, 2016, 01:20:49 PM
Should Wexford not have home advantage with it being a quarter final?
Only Dublin get home games in Leinster beyond the preliminary round. Kildare have huge experience in Croke Park in recent years, unfortunately it is mostly experience of defeats and humiliation. They have lost 12 of their last 15 games played there with an awful lot of hammerings thrown in the mix.
Kildare will win this by 5
I see the Nolan Park fiasco is going ahead....Only in the GAA ...A farce!!!
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on May 19, 2016, 08:59:33 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on May 19, 2016, 01:20:49 PM
Should Wexford not have home advantage with it being a quarter final?
Only Dublin get home games in Leinster beyond the preliminary round. Kildare have huge experience in Croke Park in recent years, unfortunately it is mostly experience of defeats and humiliation. They have lost 12 of their last 15 games played there with an awful lot of hammerings thrown in the mix.
Is that a genuine policy?
Kildare don't do the whole 'home and away' thing in the Leinster football championship.
Quote from: Esmarelda on May 19, 2016, 01:20:49 PM
Should Wexford not have home advantage with it being a quarter final?
Quote from: Plain of the Herbs on May 20, 2016, 04:23:25 PM
Kildare don't do the whole 'home and away' thing in the Leinster football championship.
Quote from: Esmarelda on May 19, 2016, 01:20:49 PM
Should Wexford not have home advantage with it being a quarter final?
21 years since Kildare last had a home Leinster Championship match.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 20, 2016, 04:34:49 PM
Quote from: Plain of the Herbs on May 20, 2016, 04:23:25 PM
Kildare don't do the whole 'home and away' thing in the Leinster football championship.
Quote from: Esmarelda on May 19, 2016, 01:20:49 PM
Should Wexford not have home advantage with it being a quarter final?
21 years since Kildare last had a home Leinster Championship match.
That's mental.
Utterly utterly mental.
Sure Kildare's ground can hardly hold league games it's that bad...Poor location pity for such a county that prides itself in such a big football following!...Portlaoise has nearly been their home for a few years now!
Quote from: Unlaoised on May 20, 2016, 05:04:11 PM
Sure Kildare's ground can hardly hold league games it's that bad...Poor location pity for such a county that prides itself in such a big football following!...Portlaoise has nearly been their home for a few years now!
Yeah I know the ground is poor, just didn't think it was that long since they had a home game.
Quote from: Unlaoised on May 20, 2016, 05:04:11 PM
Sure Kildare's ground can hardly hold league games it's that bad...Poor location pity for such a county that prides itself in such a big football following!...Portlaoise has nearly been their home for a few years now!
Someone has to bring a crowd there.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 20, 2016, 04:34:49 PM
Quote from: Plain of the Herbs on May 20, 2016, 04:23:25 PM
Kildare don't do the whole 'home and away' thing in the Leinster football championship.
Quote from: Esmarelda on May 19, 2016, 01:20:49 PM
Should Wexford not have home advantage with it being a quarter final?
21 years since Kildare last had a home Leinster Championship match.
Newbridge was a kip in 2006 when they planned to revamp it and then the economy went tits up 2 years later
Pairc Tailteann is the spiritual home of Leinster football.
We'd be happy to let the flourbags use it every other weekend if they throw us a few bob.
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Expect the smallest Kildare in living memory in CP today thanks in no small part to Corporate GAA. 5 15pm throw in, with the two biggest sporting occasions of the day the Guineas and the Irish Open both on in Kildare. Throw in the apathy that still exists after a purposeful but not particularly dynamic league campaign, no promotion/hype and TWENTY FIVE quid a ticket and minors playing at home today as well. I remember Kildare/Meath playing a Sat evening game in front of close to 30k if there is 15k for this double header I would be surprised.
Also not fair to any of the teams involved today that these games were brought forward a week because of a concert.
As for the game, it will be open and high scoring the perfect antidote to the drudgery of Ulster football. Kildare by 5.
Location is perfect..middle of the town. Ground not great but a good atmosphere always. Will be f**k all this evening in Croker. Poor decision to play in Croker. Carlow, Portlaoise, Wexfor Park, Nowlan Park would have been preferable to both. Also if they were gonna have it Croker, why not have it on tmoro rather than a Saturday.
If a concert takes precedence over games then Carlow or Kilkenny was the ideal venue for these 2 games.
Presumably the first priority was to have a Dublin Corporate event to make up for moving their footballers for the first time in 10 years.
It was a great occasion the last time we played Wexford in 2009 on a Saturday evening down in Carlow. Crazy decision to bring this up to Croke Park.
Nearly a goal from the throw-in for Wexford but they have to settle for a point after 15-20 seconds.
Slippy pitch.
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Wide for Kildare going for a point
2nd wide for Kildare.
Very small crowd.
Another attempt by Kildare going wide but kept in by Masterson in the Wexford goal.
Scrappy enough sounding stuff from both sides so far.
Free from distance from Wexford hits the post but Kildare win the ball and clear it.
Fair few frees early on - one to Kildare now and N Flynn converts to level it one a piece after 7 minute.
Flynn from play after a good ball from Feeley.
Kildare 0-2 Wexford 0-1 8 minutes.
Alan Smith with his 2nd wide/Kildare's 3rd.
Kildare creating more chances so far.
Yellow for Kevin Feeley. Sounded like a very poor foul.
Wexford wide from play.
Morgan O'Flaherty point from play to make it Kildare 0-3 Wexford 0-1.
Ciaran Lyng with another wide for Wexford from a tight angle.
Ben Brosnan with a wide for Wexford.
Ollie Lyons from play to make it Kildare 0-4 Wexford 0-1 16 minutes.
Wexford would want to start getting a score or two or they could find a serious gap beginning to open.
Sounds like Eoin Doyle is injured again.
Cribbin hits a wide from a long way out.
Wexford setting up with 8 backs.
Cheap foul to give a difficult free to Wexford which they convert.
Kildare 0-4 Wexford 0-2 21 minutes.
Alan Smith from play to make it Kildare 0-5 Wexford 0-2
Another wide from Wexford.
Has to be morale sapping
N. Flynn makes it Kildare 0-6 Wexford 0-2
Kildare 0-6 Wexford 0-2 28 minutes.
Another wide for Wexford - rain falling and wind blowing.
Flash of lighning.
Wexford point
Kildare 0-6 Wexford 0-3
Wide from Eoin Doyle.
E Bolton with a shot that goes to Hawkeye but ends up a wide.
Kildare have won 100% of their kickouts (8) but all of them are short kickouts.
Kildare 0-6 Wexford 0-3
Commentator saying the crowd is less than 10k.
Alan Smith with the best score of the evening to make it Kildare 0-7 Wexford 0-3 just before the HT whistle.
Fair play to Wexford division four side currently level with Kildare.
Kildare 0.09 Wexford 0.08 6 min to go
Kildare 0.09 Wexford 0.08 71 st min. Lyng misses an easy free for Wexford
FT Kildare 0.09 Wexford 0.08.
Surely the worst Kildare win I can ever recall, at least the defence has improved. The winners of Westmeath and Offaly will fancy themselves big time next time out. Hopefully a few injuries can clear up before then.
My eyes my eyes
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 14, 2016, 08:49:01 PM
Marvellous attacking football on show in both games.
Yet more evidence that Leinster remains the most entertaining of all the provincial championships.
Not much marvelous attacking football on show today from Wexford and Kildare? Maybe you were entertained with the closeness of the contest.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 21, 2016, 08:42:27 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 14, 2016, 08:49:01 PM
Marvellous attacking football on show in both games.
Yet more evidence that Leinster remains the most entertaining of all the provincial championships.
Not much marvelous attacking football on show today from Wexford and Kildare? Maybe you were entertained with the closeness of the contest.
An té a dtéann teist na mochóirí amach air ní cás dó codladh go headra.
13k in.Croke Park this evening. Wake the f**k up Leinster Council/Corporate GAA.
Why on earth was this on in Croke Park? Utter madness !
But the players want to play there...
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 21, 2016, 11:57:52 PM
13k in.Croke Park this evening. Wake the f**k up Leinster Council/Corporate GAA.
What about all the Dublin fans? Can't believe their hurlers don't bring some more.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 22, 2016, 08:35:56 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 21, 2016, 11:57:52 PM
13k in.Croke Park this evening. Wake the f**k up Leinster Council/Corporate GAA.
What about all the Dublin fans? Can't believe their hurlers don't bring some more.
Let's be frank the Dublin hurlers are a manufactured team, it demonstrates exactly what financial investment can do. Dublin hurling is an alien concept to the vast majority of Dublin supporters. They have a hard core dedicated bunch of supporters who are entitled to enjoy these good times as they were there in the bad times however I was in Tullamore last year for their game against Galway and they had less support than Kildare in CP yesterday. It will take more than money to change the culture of hurling and support in Dublin.
Plenty to say about Dublin hurling Dinny. Where were the Kildare fans?
Quote from: Canalman on May 22, 2016, 10:29:49 AM
Plenty to say about Dublin hurling Dinny. Where were the Kildare fans?
Pissing the last of everyone else's money up against the wall
Quote from: Canalman on May 22, 2016, 10:29:49 AM
Where were the Kildare fans?
Kildare support has fallen off for a number of reasons. Primarily the team itself has gone into sharp decline in the last 5 years which has eroded much of the bandwagon. The fallout from the Johnston saga, McGeeney's removal, various county board c**k ups have also helped create a pronounced club v county divide. Lots of good club men have little interest in the county scene anymore.
Yesterday's poor turnout is no surprise. That match should have been in Carlow for a start. €25 into Croke Park when you could have got into Portlaoise last Saturday for a tenner proves yet again the sheer stupidity of the Leinster Council fixtures committee. The Kildare minors were out at 12:30 in Newbridge yesterday (surely could have been played before the senior match?). Talking to a few lads at that match and they said they wouldn't bother heading up to watch the seniors citing lack of expectation/hope for Leinster, cost, lack of atmosphere etc. Scheduling the game for this weekend (thanks Mr Sprinsteen) clashing with the Irish Open in Straffan and Guineas weekend at the Curragh also didn't help.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 22, 2016, 11:46:33 AM
Quote from: Canalman on May 22, 2016, 10:29:49 AM
Where were the Kildare fans?
Kildare support has fallen off for a number of reasons. Primarily the team itself has gone into sharp decline in the last 5 years which has eroded much of the bandwagon. The fallout from the Johnston saga, McGeeney's removal, various county board c**k ups have also helped create a pronounced club v county divide. Lots of good club men have little interest in the county scene anymore.
Yesterday's poor turnout is no surprise. That match should have been in Carlow for a start. €25 into Croke Park when you could have got into Portlaoise last Saturday for a tenner proves yet again the sheer stupidity of the Leinster Council fixtures committee. The Kildare minors were out at 12:30 in Newbridge yesterday (surely could have been played before the senior match?). Talking to a few lads at that match and they said they wouldn't bother heading up to watch the seniors citing lack of expectation/hope for Leinster, cost, lack of atmosphere etc. Scheduling the game for this weekend (thanks Mr Sprinsteen) clashing with the Irish Open in Straffan and Guineas weekend at the Curragh also didn't help.
This was all flagged beforehand and shows how disconnected the Leinster Council are. The Leinster championship has eaten itself.
Compare and contrast the energy around the minor and u21 championships compared to the seniors, that can't be right.
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Quote from: Beffs on May 22, 2016, 12:05:01 AM
Why on earth was this on in Croke Park? Utter madness !
Corporatism
Quote from: heffo on May 22, 2016, 11:34:38 AM
Quote from: Canalman on May 22, 2016, 10:29:49 AM
Plenty to say about Dublin hurling Dinny. Where were the Kildare fans?
Pissing the last of everyone else's money up against the wall
What money? Sure the Dubs are getting all the money to pay all their GDAs.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 22, 2016, 09:53:54 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 22, 2016, 08:35:56 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 21, 2016, 11:57:52 PM
13k in.Croke Park this evening. Wake the f**k up Leinster Council/Corporate GAA.
What about all the Dublin fans? Can't believe their hurlers don't bring some more.
Let's be frank the Dublin hurlers are a manufactured team, it demonstrates exactly what financial investment can do. Dublin hurling is an alien concept to the vast majority of Dublin supporters. They have a hard core dedicated bunch of supporters who are entitled to enjoy these good times as they were there in the bad times however I was in Tullamore last year for their game against Galway and they had less support than Kildare in CP yesterday. It will take more than money to change the culture of hurling and support in Dublin.
A load of b0llix from you as usual. You know fook all about dublin hurling.
We might know little about Dublin hurling, but 0.4% of the population attended the first home championship game, so they haven't exactly caught the public eye.
Exactly 10 years ago yesterday Dublin hurlers were losing to Westmeath, then the money came and now they have an outside chance of winning an AI.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on May 22, 2016, 08:24:04 PM
Exactly 10 years ago yesterday Dublin hurlers were losing to Westmeath, then the money came and now they have an outside chance of winning an AI.
Coincidence surely. Anthony Daly and now Ger Cunningham do it all for their love of Dublin hurling.. No mercenary labels there.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on May 22, 2016, 08:24:04 PM
Exactly 10 years ago yesterday Dublin hurlers were losing to Westmeath, then the money came and now they have an outside chance of winning an AI.
You know what they say about Kildare hurling don't you?
A waste of good ash.
Don't use attendance figures on a horrible lashing wet day which you wouldn't bring kids out in to cover up the utter rancid nature of that hologram of a team you have masquerading as a football team.
0-9 in the best of yesterdays weather against a Div 4 team is pathetic. An absolute embarrasement. I'd fancy Carlow to score more then 0-9 against wexford if they played them
St Vincent's beat the full Wexford team in a challenge game this year by about 15 points .
If I were you i'd worry less about our hurling support and more where Gaelic Football is going in your county with all the money you wasted in the last 20 years
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 22, 2016, 11:46:33 AM
That match should have been in Carlow for a start. €25 into Croke Park when you could have got into Portlaoise last Saturday for a tenner proves yet again the sheer stupidity of the Leinster Council fixtures committee.
Did you not read all the complaints, they charged €25 into Portlaoise.
Quote from: Bud Wiser on May 22, 2016, 08:40:49 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 22, 2016, 11:46:33 AM
That match should have been in Carlow for a start. €25 into Croke Park when you could have got into Portlaoise last Saturday for a tenner proves yet again the sheer stupidity of the Leinster Council fixtures committee.
Did you not read all the complaints, they charged €25 into Portlaoise.
Tenner onto the terrace I think.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2016, 08:35:28 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on May 22, 2016, 08:24:04 PM
Exactly 10 years ago yesterday Dublin hurlers were losing to Westmeath, then the money came and now they have an outside chance of winning an AI.
You know what they say about Kildare hurling don't you?
A waste of good ash.
Don't use attendance figures on a horrible lashing wet day which you wouldn't bring kids out in to cover up the utter rancid nature of that hologram of a team you have masquerading as a football team.
0-9 in the best of yesterdays weather against a Div 4 team is pathetic. An absolute embarrasement. I'd fancy Carlow to score more then 0-9 against wexford if they played them
St Vincent's beat the full Wexford team in a challenge game this year by about 15 points .
If I were you i'd worry less about our hurling support and more where Gaelic Football is going in your county with all the money you wasted in the last 20 years
Ha! The best grunt yet. Stick to the dogma, farcical from Dublin posters as usual. Maybe someone up in the Ivory Tower will acknowledge the financial advantage and home advantages and actually admit "you know what it is unfair". There is nothing you can do about population and Dublin in football have a fantastic culture and history, advantages no one can quibble about. This is a Leinster mess and Dublin are as complicit as every other single county and are only too happy to benefit from Corporate GAA and the idiocy that allowed this happen.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 22, 2016, 08:53:55 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 22, 2016, 08:35:28 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on May 22, 2016, 08:24:04 PM
Exactly 10 years ago yesterday Dublin hurlers were losing to Westmeath, then the money came and now they have an outside chance of winning an AI.
You know what they say about Kildare hurling don't you?
A waste of good ash.
Don't use attendance figures on a horrible lashing wet day which you wouldn't bring kids out in to cover up the utter rancid nature of that hologram of a team you have masquerading as a football team.
0-9 in the best of yesterdays weather against a Div 4 team is pathetic. An absolute embarrasement. I'd fancy Carlow to score more then 0-9 against wexford if they played them
St Vincent's beat the full Wexford team in a challenge game this year by about 15 points .
If I were you i'd worry less about our hurling support and more where Gaelic Football is going in your county with all the money you wasted in the last 20 years
Ha! The best grunt yet. Stick to the dogma, farcical from Dublin posters as usual. Maybe someone up in the Ivory Tower will acknowledge the financial advantage and home advantages and actually admit "you know what it is unfair". There is nothing you can do about population and Dublin in football have a fantastic culture and history, advantages no one can quibble about. This is a Leinster mess and Dublin are as complicit as every other single county and are only too happy to benefit from Corporate GAA and the idiocy that allowed this happen.
None of which has anything to do with a county with the third highest population base in Ireland scoring 0-9 over 70 minutes against a Division 4 team. Don't use extraneous arguments to divert from what was an absolute shambles by the Kildare footballers yesterday.
Must rank as one of your worst ever displays. You'd have been better off asking some of the Dublin hurling fans to tog out for you yesterday. they could only have improved things
Kildare have the 7th largest population - 210,312. Wexford are 15th - 145,320.
The great thing about Dublin is not only the superb football they play but their fans' legendary humour and good grace in victory.
Game of games tonight....
Leinster JFC - semi final.
Wexford v Longford
Throw in at 7.30 in Innovate Wexford Park.
C'mon The Larries
they should just call it the Dublin procession
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 02, 2016, 10:32:16 AM
Game of games tonight....
Leinster JFC - semi final.
Wexford v Longford
Throw in at 7.30 in Innovate Wexford Park.
C'mon The Larries
When I see the junior it reminds me of a story about a junior game from my uncle (70+) who was at a junior game recently between two neighbouring parishes - there was a goalmouth scramble and a defender from one team made a save, caught the ball and ended up on the ground. Anyway there was contact from one of the opposing forwards of the nippy corner-forward variety on a delicate part of the anatomy of the lad on the ground. Back starts yelling out in pain/cursing and the forward takes to his heels off up the side of a hill behind the goal - the rest of the players hadn't a clue what happened until the back cleared things up (with some choice language) stating the player in question had deliberately trod on his private area - by this stage the nippy corner forward was gone a good distance up the hill, and he wouldn't come down for fear of retaliation, so the ref had to give him a red half-way up the hill. The player who was sent off saw the red and kept going for home (around 8 miles it was estimated) in full-kit and boots.
Will it still end up being a little short of a sell out in Kilkenny. Regardless we are possibly looking at one of the worst years for attendances in the Leinster championship for a couple of decades. I know plenty of Kildare fans who have said like me that if we manage to scrape by Westmeath/Offaly that they wouldn't bother going to watch the Leinster final as nobody has any interest in watching humiliating hammerings.
The more I think of it the less crazy my idea of a Leinster B championship seems. This proposal would see Dublin get a bye to the AI quarter final while the other 10 teams would forfeit their entries to the AI championship (none of us have a chance of competing in it anyway for the forseeable future). Instead these teams would compete for up to 7 consecutive weeks in the middle of the summer in a competitive championship.
2 seeded groups of 5, 4 games, 2 home, 2 away each weekend in June.
Top teams in each group progress to semi finals with a 1 week break and home advantage.
2nd in group A plays third in group B with home advantage and vice versa.
The extra few games would help with the revenue lost from the dwindling Dublin bandwagon who are too bored to watch Dublin hammer minnows. If they want competitive football they could play in Ulster in a similar manner to Galway hurlers.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 03, 2016, 08:18:49 PM
Will it still end up being a little short of a sell out in Kilkenny. Regardless we are possibly looking at one of the worst years for attendances in the Leinster championship for a couple of decades. I know plenty of Kildare fans who have said like me that if we manage to scrape by Westmeath/Offaly that they wouldn't bother going to watch the Leinster final as nobody has any interest in watching humiliating hammerings.
The more I think of it the less crazy my idea of a Leinster B championship seems. This proposal would see Dublin get a bye to the AI quarter final while the other 10 teams would forfeit their entries to the AI championship (none of us have a chance of competing in it anyway for the forseeable future). Instead these teams would compete for up to 7 consecutive weeks in the middle of the summer in a competitive championship.
2 seeded groups of 5, 4 games, 2 home, 2 away each weekend in June.
Top teams in each group progress to semi finals with a 1 week break and home advantage.
2nd in group A plays third in group B with home advantage and vice versa.
The extra few games would help with the revenue lost from the dwindling Dublin bandwagon who are too bored to watch Dublin hammer minnows. If they want competitive football they could play in Ulster in a similar manner to Galway hurlers.
This kind of thinking is becoming more and more common. As a Derry mand I knew going into our game v tyrone we had no chance and were going to get stuffed. At this moment we are not good enough to compete with the top 8 or 9 teams in the country. I've said it before on here that the county scene would be much more appealing from my point of view if there was a senior, intermediate and junior just like at club level. Derry playing at intermediate level would give us a chance and we would not be going into games knowing a stuffing was the only likely outcome. Teams like Derry, Meath, Kildare, laois, Armagh and Galway would make for a fairly even and competitive inter.mediate championship. Teams like Cork, Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone, Donegal, Mayo would make for a competitive senior championship without too many mismatches. Teams who win an intermediate championship or junior could move up to the level above for the next year. Teams could play in a round roblin league section first guaranteeing 3 or 4 games which would allow for development and also make club fixtures easier to orgainise.
The big problem with the Senior, Intermediate and Junior at intercounty level is that the gap will widen and end up with a situation like the Christy Ring, Rackard cups etc. where the weaker championships are ignored completely in the media and by fans. Club championships are different as the community are part of things and there are local rivalries that mean things.
In the league for example this year I think the attendance at Carlow and Antrim was 101 people, if they were playing in a Junior AI QF I can't imagine the crowd would be much bigger.
Turkey shoot for Dublin this evening.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 04, 2016, 07:10:06 PM
Turkey shoot for Dublin this evening.
Gonna be a long evening for lapis.
Dublin 2-7 Laois 0-04.
Laois would be winning if this was in O'Moore Park.
It is irritating for people who have number of goals bets on, in this second half they will probably be through on goal 10 times and fist it over the bar which would drive you insane.
Quote from: trentoneill15 on June 04, 2016, 07:44:35 PM
It is irritating for people who have number of goals bets on, in this second half they will probably be through on goal 10 times and fist it over the bar which would drive you insane.
I highly doubt inter county footballers will give a hoot about mugs giving their money to the millionaire bookie
Quote from: JoG2 on June 04, 2016, 07:57:29 PM
Quote from: trentoneill15 on June 04, 2016, 07:44:35 PM
It is irritating for people who have number of goals bets on, in this second half they will probably be through on goal 10 times and fist it over the bar which would drive you insane.
I highly doubt inter county footballers will give a hoot about mugs giving their money to the millionaire bookie
Game on
Quote from: trentoneill15 on June 04, 2016, 07:44:35 PM
It is irritating for people who have number of goals bets on, in this second half they will probably be through on goal 10 times and fist it over the bar which would drive you insane.
Yes they should ban points completely. Have they no consideration for the goal betting punter?
Quote from: lenny on June 04, 2016, 08:11:39 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 04, 2016, 07:57:29 PM
Quote from: trentoneill15 on June 04, 2016, 07:44:35 PM
It is irritating for people who have number of goals bets on, in this second half they will probably be through on goal 10 times and fist it over the bar which would drive you insane.
I highly doubt inter county footballers will give a hoot about mugs giving their money to the millionaire bookie
Game on
Meant to type game over
Sounds a monumental bore .
Quote from: JoG2 on June 04, 2016, 07:57:29 PM
Quote from: trentoneill15 on June 04, 2016, 07:44:35 PM
It is irritating for people who have number of goals bets on, in this second half they will probably be through on goal 10 times and fist it over the bar which would drive you insane.
I highly doubt inter county footballers will give a hoot about mugs giving their money to the millionaire bookie
You've probably just classified half of inter county footballers as mugs.
Can we play Meath in Navan now please?
Quote from: heffo on June 05, 2016, 02:00:45 PM
Can we play Meath in Navan now please?
It'll probably be Thurles.
Assuming Meath beat Louth, if Louth do win the Leinster council will lose another few thousand in the attendances for the year.
Newbridge for Leinster final
Quote from: heffo on June 05, 2016, 02:00:45 PM
Can we play Meath in Navan now please?
We'd make bits of you in Navan.
Brogan continues his scoring drought away from home in the Championship! :P
The Dubs struggle to breathe fresh air.
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/cotoole/choosing-nowlan-park-host-laois-dublin-simply-token-gesture/ (http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/cotoole/choosing-nowlan-park-host-laois-dublin-simply-token-gesture/)
I don't travel to watch the Dublin hurlers, so that was my first visit to Nowlan Park. Lovely ground, nice location.
I've said this before, but the best way to make Leinster competitive would be to rotate Dublin, as capital, between each of the 4 provinces.
Separately, London and New York should be rotated between every county, so that every county would travel to one of them every 16 years
Just saw the Sunday Game coverage of the Dubs and Laois last night. Did Dean Rock foul the ball - it looked like he changed the ball from hand to hand?
Quote from: Hound on June 06, 2016, 08:12:55 AM
I don't travel to watch the Dublin hurlers, so that was my first visit to Nowlan Park. Lovely ground, nice location.
I've said this before, but the best way to make Leinster competitive would be to rotate Dublin, as capital, between each of the 4 provinces.
Separately, London and New York should be rotated between every county, so that every county would travel to one of them every 16 years
Hound surely if you realise Dublin's dominance is a serious retarding factor for Leinster teams you'd also know rotating them would just spread the pain wider? I don't think anyone besides Dublin would enjoy the sight of the juggernaut ambling in to beat the shite into them every four years.
The solution is much more structural than the simplistic solution you've offered.
Quote from: Catch and Kick on June 06, 2016, 08:15:27 AM
Just saw the Sunday Game coverage of the Dubs and Laois last night. Did Dean Rock foul the ball - it looked like he changed the ball from hand to hand?
Didn't see what you are talking about, so might not have picked you up right, but it is not a foul when you change the ball from one hand to the other, as long as both hands are touching the ball when it leaves one hand to go to the other.
This is legal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Sp30TBN0tQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Sp30TBN0tQ)
As is this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3G1bwD0ao0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3G1bwD0ao0)
Quote from: Hound on June 06, 2016, 08:12:55 AM
I don't travel to watch the Dublin hurlers, so that was my first visit to Nowlan Park. Lovely ground, nice location.
I've said this before, but the best way to make Leinster competitive would be to rotate Dublin, as capital, between each of the 4 provinces.
Separately, London and New York should be rotated between every county, so that every county would travel to one of them every 16 years
not a bad idea.
It would be good for local trade as well
All games would still have to played at the neutral Croke Park.
Quote from: Hound on June 06, 2016, 08:12:55 AM
I've said this before, but the best way to make Leinster competitive would be to rotate Dublin, as capital, between each of the 4 provinces.
And sure to make the All-Ireland itself more competitive why don't we send Dublin to play overseas for 3 years out of every 4! ;)
Seriously, this is skirting around the Leinster 'competitivity' deficit, not actually addressing it, which would be to raise the standard of the rest of the counties (easier said than done, granted).
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 06, 2016, 01:43:24 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 06, 2016, 08:12:55 AM
I've said this before, but the best way to make Leinster competitive would be to rotate Dublin, as capital, between each of the 4 provinces.
And sure to make the All-Ireland itself more competitive why don't we send Dublin to play overseas for 3 years out of every 4! ;)
Seriously, this is skirting around the Leinster 'competitivity' deficit, not actually addressing it, which would be to raise the standard of the rest of the counties (easier said than done, granted).
Is Ulster much more competitive? Connacht probably isn't and Munster isn't either. I know I'm a broken record on this but put Dublin in with their division 1 rivals and they may still win the All Ireland but at least the journey would be interesting with plenty of cracking sub plots. As it is, they'll play, at most, 3 competitive games from QF onwards. Kerry/Cork, Mayo/Roscommon might get one more, Tyrone/Donegal/Monaghan potentially 5 competitive games.
Why do we not want a sensible, structured competition where teams of similar ability play each other? Mickey Harte said a team outside of division 1 couldn't win the All Ireland, well it's probably just as true of a provincial title if there is even one division 1 team in it.
No argument there Zulu, and if we're going to 'break' the Provincial system we might as well do a proper job of it and initiate properly competitive structures for the Championship, with each team playing a similar number of games to reach any given stage.
The GPA proposal while imperfect would improve the situation massively by simply having more games. More games will still include hammerings but at least there would be a chance of having an odd competitive game to show on television before August. It would be easier for teams to build some momentum too.
The GPA proposal had built in hammeringins in it.
The logical change would be to mirror the club situation of Senior/Inter/Junior all Ireland Championships.
Won't happen in my lifetime though.
But then the small counties would be put in the same situation as the Lory Meagher cup teams where no one will even notice they exist or care. It would kill football even more brutally in the weaker counties.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 06, 2016, 04:23:25 PM
But then the small counties would be put in the same situation as the Lory Meagher cup teams where no one will even notice they exist or care. It would kill football even more brutally in the weaker counties.
Do people notice Carlow footballers, say? The likes of Armagh and Down have bad days, but people still talk about them.
They would if they had a home game against the likes of Kerry/Mayo in the championship as would happen in the GPA's proposal. Granted they'd more than likely take a hammering but at least there would be an occasion in the town. If they managed to beat a division 3 team in the group stages they would be guaranteed 4 championship games which hasn't happened too often in their history.
Carlow as a county is underachieving and have the potential to be stronger, it is not that long since they were beating Louth and drawing with Meath in the championship.
Who would be in the top tier? Down were division 1 weren't they? Roscommon comfortably stayed up. I think people who agitate for a tiered championship really just want a timewarp into the All Ireland quarter finals. Maybe semis.
The harsh fact is if you are going to structure it based on close games you would have 4 or 5 teams in A and would probably need 6 different levels. But then again I get the impression that people wouldn't give a shite what those outside the top 4 or 5 do. Look at how the hurling is treated.
That's nonsense in fairness AZ, what are you basing that on? What do Offaly footballers get out of the current system? They have two competitions, the Leinster championship, which they've no chance of winning and the All Ireland, which they've less chance of winning.
Link the league to the championship so you give everyone games against their peers but also give everyone a pathway to Sam which addresses Kuwabatake Sanjuro concerns. Get rid of the pointless provincials which hinder getting a proper solution to the championship. I wouldn't be in favour of splitting the counties into different competitions but now that teams prepare properly and analyse their opponents the day of the major upset will be even rarer than it was in the past.
OK, link the league to the Championship. Down are division 1. They were hockeyed by Monaghan. What would Dublin do to them? Then what happens? Reduce it to 6? 4?
And as for Offaly, cheap shot, but Offaly have no interest in playing in some side water, nobody gives a shite, competition. Offaly can aim to improve in Leinster, by beating Longford, now Westmeath and maybe Kildare. Or what should they do? Know their place, and don't inconvenience the mighty Dublin by daring to play with them? f**k that.
Its only 7/8 years since kerry hammered dublin, meath hammered kerry in an all ireland semi a while back. Down were missing up to 12/13 players for one reason or another, we had 7 championship debutants, i wouldnt base a new championship structure on one freak result.
Zulu, I may have overreacted to your post. As long as everyone is in the All Ireland, and you come up with some way of seeding it to have more even matches, then I'm happy with that. I think we more or less said the same thing every year for about 5 years now.
The real issue I have is this constant bleating for tiered championships, which seems to be led by Newstalk and Ger f**king Gilroy, and Des Cahill, aka the Sunday Game highlights show. I know in my heart and soul that all they want is Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone, Monaghan, Donegal and Mayo playing each other so they can talk about that ad nauseum, rather than putting up with the inconvenience of all the other counties taking part and having to be televised. My reaction to that sort of agenda is *f**k Off*. The counties and players have repeatedly said they are not interested in some competition that RTE would drop quicker than a hot snot, and if they were lucky they'd get the 30 seconds 'reporting is John Kenny' treatment, with a condescending pat on the head for the final maybe, a lá the Hurling Tiers.
I reject the notion that a tiered championship has to be set up to give us competitive fixtures so that the TV companies, and the armchair fans, are happy to have something to watch in June. Those games come around in July, August and September anyway.
I would be very afraid that we would solve the wrong problem. i.e. Instead of wondering how we can narrow the gap between the chasing pack and the top 4 or 5, we consciously cull the bottom 26 or 27 so the poor TV analysts, and Joe.bollox.ie don't have to talk about them.
I know that wasn't your point really, but I'm getting very tetchy about all this, as someone who is dealing with young lads and sees their ambitions, and their ambitions are *not* the football equivalent of the Rackard Cup.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 06, 2016, 07:16:40 PM
And as for Offaly, cheap shot, but Offaly have no interest in playing in some side water, nobody gives a shite, competition. Offaly can aim to improve in Leinster, by beating Longford, now Westmeath and maybe Kildare. Or what should they do? Know their place, and don't inconvenience the mighty Dublin by daring to play with them? f**k that.
Leave us out of your hissy fit please
No offence intended to ye :) Pat Flanagan said if he had his way he'd play Dublin every day.
Rotating Dublin around the Provinces. Having a 'B' Championship. And all the other Malarkey sprouted here. I for one cannot imagine a Connacht Championship without Galway, Ros, Sligo, Leitrim and even NY and London. This is what championship is all about. The back door opens up to playing outside this.
A provincial title is the first Silverware of the Summer. Football is not Hurling! Lets not create an Elite 7 or 8 like Hurling! Where Provinces like Connacht and Ulster are completely ignored and shoved into second, third and fourth grade Competitions played in front of a couple of hundred people.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 06, 2016, 08:42:36 PM
Rotating Dublin around the Provinces. Having a 'B' Championship. And all the other Malarkey sprouted here. I for one cannot imagine a Connacht Championship without Galway, Ros, Sligo, Leitrim and even NY and London. This is what championship is all about. The back door opens up to playing outside this.
A provincial title is the first Silverware of the Summer. Football is not Hurling! Lets not create an Elite 7 or 8 like Hurling! Where Provinces like Connacht and Ulster are completely ignored and shoved into second, third and fourth grade Competitions played in front of a couple of hundred people.
the back-door only serves the strong now. 5 years ago it was fine
The hurling elite 8 or 10 wasn't "created".
It occurred naturally.
Football's elite since 2011 has had only 4 teams in it. :-\
How many of the teams entering Round 1 of the Qualifiers have any interest other than fulfilling a fixture?
Quote from: INDIANA on June 06, 2016, 08:51:51 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 06, 2016, 08:42:36 PM
Rotating Dublin around the Provinces. Having a 'B' Championship. And all the other Malarkey sprouted here. I for one cannot imagine a Connacht Championship without Galway, Ros, Sligo, Leitrim and even NY and London. This is what championship is all about. The back door opens up to playing outside this.
A provincial title is the first Silverware of the Summer. Football is not Hurling! Lets not create an Elite 7 or 8 like Hurling! Where Provinces like Connacht and Ulster are completely ignored and shoved into second, third and fourth grade Competitions played in front of a couple of hundred people.
the back-door only serves the strong now. 5 years ago it was fine
Agreed. And to be honest I think it was always intended to do so. The GAA didn't want Kerry out of the championship in July.
They would be as well doing like they do in the minors. It would be good for the club game too.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 06, 2016, 08:58:30 PM
The hurling elite 8 or 10 wasn't "created".
It occurred naturally.
Football's elite since 2011 has had only 4 teams in it. :-\
How many of the teams entering Round 1 of the Qualifiers have any interest other than fulfilling a fixture?
Hurling elite happened through hard work. Hurling championship has never been in better shape
Yet the same team wins 8 out 10 AIs or thereabouts.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 06, 2016, 09:18:37 PM
Yet the same team wins 8 out 10 AIs or thereabouts.
Take Cody out of the equation and it would be a lot different.
Could we also take Dublin (and Offaly :P) out of the football equation?
Quote from: Rossfan on June 06, 2016, 09:18:37 PM
Yet the same team wins 8 out 10 AIs or thereabouts.
Got their through segregation. Would Kerry have made the progress they have by being walloped by Cork and Tipp every year in the Munster championship.
Quote from: INDIANA on June 06, 2016, 09:30:47 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 06, 2016, 09:18:37 PM
Yet the same team wins 8 out 10 AIs or thereabouts.
Got their through segregation. Would Kerry have made the progress they have by being walloped by Cork and Tipp every year in the Munster championship.
What progress have they made?
Quote from: INDIANA on June 06, 2016, 09:30:47 PM
Got their through segregation. Would Kerry have made the progress they have by being walloped by Cork and Tipp every year in the Munster championship.
And you decry nordie educational standards... tut, tut Indy! ;D
Quote from: INDIANA on June 06, 2016, 09:30:47 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 06, 2016, 09:18:37 PM
Yet the same team wins 8 out 10 AIs or thereabouts.
Got their through segregation. Would Kerry have made the progress they have by being walloped by Cork and Tipp every year in the Munster championship.
If you want to go back in history Kerry won 3 division 2 titles in a row back in the late 60's but the GAA did not allow promotion for some reason. They were also not entered in the Munster championship at the time even though a weaker Galway were. If the GAA had made any effort to promote hurling there back in the day they might have been a proper dual county and the rest of the country might have had a few more AI's to share around in the football.
Kildare were also very close to a breakthrough in hurling in the early 70's and had victories over the likes of Waterford and Offaly and numerous league 1/4 final defeats to Tipperary.
A fascinating read http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057160431&page=17
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 06, 2016, 09:45:30 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on June 06, 2016, 09:30:47 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 06, 2016, 09:18:37 PM
Yet the same team wins 8 out 10 AIs or thereabouts.
Got their through segregation. Would Kerry have made the progress they have by being walloped by Cork and Tipp every year in the Munster championship.
What progress have they made?
You don't think playing Div 1 hurling is progress? This is a sport where we were all told that it's not possible for lower tier counties to break the glass ceiling
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 06, 2016, 09:45:30 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on June 06, 2016, 09:30:47 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 06, 2016, 09:18:37 PM
Yet the same team wins 8 out 10 AIs or thereabouts.
Got their through segregation. Would Kerry have made the progress they have by being walloped by Cork and Tipp every year in the Munster championship.
What progress have they made?
You also do wonder how many players they have from stronger counties so is it really progress.
Quote from: INDIANA on June 06, 2016, 09:53:10 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 06, 2016, 09:45:30 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on June 06, 2016, 09:30:47 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 06, 2016, 09:18:37 PM
Yet the same team wins 8 out 10 AIs or thereabouts.
Got their through segregation. Would Kerry have made the progress they have by being walloped by Cork and Tipp every year in the Munster championship.
What progress have they made?
You don't think playing Div 1 hurling is progress? This is a sport where we were all told that it's not possible for lower tier counties to break the glass ceiling
Progress through the league is fine but I thought we were talking about championship structures. And I remember Kerry beating Waterford in 1992 or the likes.
In reality they lost to Westmeath and a very demoralised Offaly and beat Carlow. Those results would not have seemed out of the ordinary 20 years ago.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 06, 2016, 08:02:33 PM
Zulu, I may have overreacted to your post. As long as everyone is in the All Ireland, and you come up with some way of seeding it to have more even matches, then I'm happy with that. I think we more or less said the same thing every year for about 5 years now.
The real issue I have is this constant bleating for tiered championships, which seems to be led by Newstalk and Ger f**king Gilroy, and Des Cahill, aka the Sunday Game highlights show. I know in my heart and soul that all they want is Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone, Monaghan, Donegal and Mayo playing each other so they can talk about that ad nauseum, rather than putting up with the inconvenience of all the other counties taking part and having to be televised. My reaction to that sort of agenda is *f**k Off*. The counties and players have repeatedly said they are not interested in some competition that RTE would drop quicker than a hot snot, and if they were lucky they'd get the 30 seconds 'reporting is John Kenny' treatment, with a condescending pat on the head for the final maybe, a lá the Hurling Tiers.
I reject the notion that a tiered championship has to be set up to give us competitive fixtures so that the TV companies, and the armchair fans, are happy to have something to watch in June. Those games come around in July, August and September anyway.
I would be very afraid that we would solve the wrong problem. i.e. Instead of wondering how we can narrow the gap between the chasing pack and the top 4 or 5, we consciously cull the bottom 26 or 27 so the poor TV analysts, and Joe.bollox.ie don't have to talk about them.
I know that wasn't your point really, but I'm getting very tetchy about all this, as someone who is dealing with young lads and sees their ambitions, and their ambitions are *not* the football equivalent of the Rackard Cup.
No problem. I wasn't having a go at Offaly at all, just using your own county as an example of one who aren't being served by the current structure.
As you say, the weaker counties don't want to be put in a sideshow competition and I don't think they should which is why I think linking the league to the championship is the best solution.
Talk of creating an elite is nonsense, as our format creates an elite anyway (Kerry and nigh on 40 All Irelands anyone?). Any format will have elites, even the NFL has teams that regularly compete and teams that are usually poor.
The Dublin Meath 4 game saga or the Kerry team of the late 70's early 80's inspired kids from across Ireland to play football and a vibrant football scene will do more for Offaly or Sligo football than the odd win against a near neighbour in a provincial championship ever could. I was Matt Connor or Mikey Sheehy in the back garden though I wasn't an Offaly or Kerry man. We need something for our kids to aspire to and a pathway for counties to develop on. The current format offers 80% of counties nothing and another 10% little enough.
I only hope we see sense before it's too late. I've made this point before but the only reason the Munster hurling championship or the Ulster football one are in any way revered is because they have good teams playing each other. Put Mayo, Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone, Monaghan, Donegal, Cork and Roscommon together and we have a championship to look forward to. The Dubs in Killarney, Tyrone and Donegal in Omagh etc. and we could have Tyrone coming to Tullamore in a knockout championship game against Offaly.
Teams play against teams of similar ability and then have knockout football in the actual championship and the only sacrifice is the provincials which 80% will never win anyway and bar the odd Cinderella story every 30 years are as predictable as the weather.
My own (fairly radical) idea is that there's roughly three levels out there, and we should have All-Ireland senior, intermediate and junior championships.
Using the GAA rankings website, it might have looked like this for 2016:
Senior Football Championship: Dublin, Kerry, Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone, Cork, Monaghan, Kildare, Galway, Derry, Meath, Armagh.
Intermediate Football Championship: Roscommon, Down, Fermanagh, Cavan, Tipperary, Laois, Sligo, Westmeath, Longford, Wexford.
Junior Football Championship: Clare, Louth, Limerick, Offaly, Antrim, Leitrim, Wicklow, Carlow, Waterford, London.
(Please don't get hung up on what county is in what tier; personally I'd have Roscommon and Cavan in senior but I thought I'd just use an impartial source).
I would scrap the league and have each of these championships as an all-play-all round robin. Top six in senior into knockout play-offs for the All-Ireland. Top five in inter and junior into knockout finals. Promotion and relegation of 2-3 teams between the grades each year.
I know this will never happen but I just think there's so many benefits:
- Every county guaranteed 9-11 serious games every year.
- Every county can set realistic targets to progress. Playing junior might not be that glamorous but a county such as Carlow could set a medium-term target to win Junior and a long-term goal of being competitive in intermediate. On the flip side, counties that aren't good enough for a certain level can rebuild at the next level down the following year.
-Every county has a realistic short- to medium-term shot at silverware.
- Every county has at least five competitive, meaningful home games in the height of summer. At senior counties that need to get their act together can guarantee televised fixtures for sponsors, plan and market and aim to improve.
- Very few dead rubbers: If you're top of the table you get an easier knockout game, if you're in the middle you're battling to make the playoff stages or avoid relegation.
- This system retains the big glamour fixtures at the end of the year.
- Immediately end 90 per cent of the turkey shoots that annoy everyone so much. Ok, Dublin might hammer the back end of the senior teams, but they'd have 5-6 serious games before they even get to the semi-finals.
- Every county can plan its club fixtures long in advance because they know months in advance when their senior team's 9-11 games are. You could have a five-month inter-county season with the rest of the year for club and underage fixtures.
Downsides:
- You lose the league.
- You lose the provincial championships.
- Eh, that's it.
Quote from: Zulu on June 06, 2016, 06:35:41 PM
That's nonsense in fairness AZ, what are you basing that on? What do Offaly footballers get out of the current system? They have two competitions, the Leinster championship, which they've no chance of winning and the All Ireland, which they've less chance of winning.
Link the league to the championship so you give everyone games against their peers but also give everyone a pathway to Sam which addresses Kuwabatake Sanjuro concerns. Get rid of the pointless provincials which hinder getting a proper solution to the championship. I wouldn't be in favour of splitting the counties into different competitions but now that teams prepare properly and analyse their opponents the day of the major upset will be even rarer than it was in the past.
Im not sure the provincials are pointless. Maybe in the grand scheme of things they are but to the players? I just finished reading Jim McGuiness's book and the work and effort he described that went into winning Ulster in 2011 and the joy it gave the players and fans suggests its not pointless. Obv, winning Ulster may not mean the same to those boys now but can you imagine what it would mean to Cavan, or Fermanagh???
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 07, 2016, 07:20:26 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 06, 2016, 06:35:41 PM
That's nonsense in fairness AZ, what are you basing that on? What do Offaly footballers get out of the current system? They have two competitions, the Leinster championship, which they've no chance of winning and the All Ireland, which they've less chance of winning.
Link the league to the championship so you give everyone games against their peers but also give everyone a pathway to Sam which addresses Kuwabatake Sanjuro concerns. Get rid of the pointless provincials which hinder getting a proper solution to the championship. I wouldn't be in favour of splitting the counties into different competitions but now that teams prepare properly and analyse their opponents the day of the major upset will be even rarer than it was in the past.
Im not sure the provincials are pointless. Maybe in the grand scheme of things they are but to the players? I just finished reading Jim McGuiness's book and the work and effort he described that went into winning Ulster in 2011 and the joy it gave the players and fans suggests its not pointless. Obv, winning Ulster may not mean the same to those boys now but can you imagine what it would mean to Cavan, or Fermanagh???
True, and it would mean a lot to Tipp, Clare, Leitrim, Longford, Wexford etc. but what is the likelihood of it happening for most of the counties that are really bothered? You can also play them separately if counties want to keep them or you could copy the NFL conference type of format to give counties more to aim for. There is no reason a new competition couldn't become as highly valued as provincial titles, whether that's a league division or conference or something else.
Quote from: Catch and Kick on June 06, 2016, 08:15:27 AM
Just saw the Sunday Game coverage of the Dubs and Laois last night. Did Dean Rock foul the ball - it looked like he changed the ball from hand to hand?
Didn't stand out if he did but noticed that Kevin McMenamon got away with a double bounce, again.
He always gets away with that.
I call it the Jedi mind-bounce.
(https://zombiesruineverything.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/obs3.jpg)
"I have only hopped the ball once..."
He's not even trying to hide or disguise it at this stage, could have sneaked a solo in no bother.
What is the exact rule about changing hands with the ball. It always get mentioned by disgruntled fans when a goal is scored but I don't think I've ever see a ref blow up for it.
BTW, did McManomon look a bit more stocky than normal on Sat or was it just the new jerseys? He has great acceleration for his build.
You can move the ball from one hand to the other as long as both hands are holding the ball as the switch is made. In other words you can be holding the ball in the left hand, put your right hand on the ball as well, and then take the ball away in the right hand only.
You cannot 'toss' the ball from one hand to the other.
But you can only do that once per possession, for some strange reason that must have made sense to whoever wrote the rule. Or maybe not.
Rule 1.4
When a player is in possession of the ball, it
may be :
(d) changed from one hand to the other once,
with the original holding hand maintaining
contact until the change is completed;
Quote from: Hardy on June 08, 2016, 11:42:50 AM
But you can only do that once per possession, for some strange reason that must have made sense to whoever wrote the rule. Or maybe not.
Rule 1.4
When a player is in possession of the ball, it
may be :
(d) changed from one hand to the other once,
with the original holding hand maintaining
contact until the change is completed;
Considered a new possession once you hop or solo the ball?
Quote from: Hardy on June 08, 2016, 11:42:50 AM
But you can only do that once per possession, for some strange reason that must have made sense to whoever wrote the rule. Or maybe not.
Rule 1.4
When a player is in possession of the ball, it
may be :
(d) changed from one hand to the other once,
with the original holding hand maintaining
contact until the change is completed;
But you can do it all you like if you are not in possession of the ball? :D
Quote from: PW Nally on June 08, 2016, 02:16:52 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 08, 2016, 11:42:50 AM
But you can only do that once per possession, for some strange reason that must have made sense to whoever wrote the rule. Or maybe not.
Rule 1.4
When a player is in possession of the ball, it
may be :
(d) changed from one hand to the other once,
with the original holding hand maintaining
contact until the change is completed;
Considered a new possession once you hop or solo the ball?
I was wondering about that too, but the wording of Rule 4 would seem to indicate that possession of the ball means the time from when you get the ball until you play it away or are dispossessed - so including all your hops and toe-taps.
I say that because Rule 1.4 covers all the things you can do with a ball while in possession, including the fact that you must not hop twice in succession. That wouldn't be logical if each hop or toe-tap was a separate possession.
Rule 1.4When a player is in possession of the ball, it
may be:-
(a) carried for a maximum of four consecutive
steps or held in the hand(s) for no longer
than the time needed to take four steps;
(b) played from the foot to the hand(s) -toetapped;
(c) bounced once, and once after each toe-tap;
(d) changed from one hand to the other once,
with the original holding hand maintaining
contact until the change is completed;
(e) played away with:
(i) a fist
(ii) an open hand-in which instance there
shall be a definite underhand striking
action
(f) released for a kick, a toe-tap or a pass with
a fist or an open hand.
The ball may be knocked from an opponent's
hand(s) by flicking it with the open hand.
I think the holding hand released the ball before he transferred it to the other hand, therefore technical foul and a free out should have been awarded!
Quote from: Hardy on June 08, 2016, 04:51:02 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on June 08, 2016, 02:16:52 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 08, 2016, 11:42:50 AM
But you can only do that once per possession, for some strange reason that must have made sense to whoever wrote the rule. Or maybe not.
Rule 1.4
When a player is in possession of the ball, it
may be :
(d) changed from one hand to the other once,
with the original holding hand maintaining
contact until the change is completed;
Considered a new possession once you hop or solo the ball?
I was wondering about that too, but the wording of Rule 4 would seem to indicate that possession of the ball means the time from when you get the ball until you play it away or are dispossessed - so including all your hops and toe-taps.
I say that because Rule 1.4 covers all the things you can do with a ball while in possession, including the fact that you must not hop twice in succession. That wouldn't be logical if each hop or toe-tap was a separate possession.
Rule 1.4
When a player is in possession of the ball, it
may be:-
(a) carried for a maximum of four consecutive
steps or held in the hand(s) for no longer
than the time needed to take four steps;
(b) played from the foot to the hand(s) -toetapped;
(c) bounced once, and once after each toe-tap;
(d) changed from one hand to the other once,
with the original holding hand maintaining
contact until the change is completed;
(e) played away with:
(i) a fist
(ii) an open hand-in which instance there
shall be a definite underhand striking
action
(f) released for a kick, a toe-tap or a pass with
a fist or an open hand.
The ball may be knocked from an opponent's
hand(s) by flicking it with the open hand.
Mugsey's famous goal against Dublin was 2 show the ball with left hand and solo off right hand if I recall correctly.
Quote from: PW Nally on June 08, 2016, 06:33:59 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 08, 2016, 04:51:02 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on June 08, 2016, 02:16:52 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 08, 2016, 11:42:50 AM
But you can only do that once per possession, for some strange reason that must have made sense to whoever wrote the rule. Or maybe not.
Rule 1.4
When a player is in possession of the ball, it
may be :
(d) changed from one hand to the other once,
with the original holding hand maintaining
contact until the change is completed;
Considered a new possession once you hop or solo the ball?
I was wondering about that too, but the wording of Rule 4 would seem to indicate that possession of the ball means the time from when you get the ball until you play it away or are dispossessed - so including all your hops and toe-taps.
I say that because Rule 1.4 covers all the things you can do with a ball while in possession, including the fact that you must not hop twice in succession. That wouldn't be logical if each hop or toe-tap was a separate possession.
Rule 1.4
When a player is in possession of the ball, it
may be:-
(a) carried for a maximum of four consecutive
steps or held in the hand(s) for no longer
than the time needed to take four steps;
(b) played from the foot to the hand(s) -toetapped;
(c) bounced once, and once after each toe-tap;
(d) changed from one hand to the other once,
with the original holding hand maintaining
contact until the change is completed;
(e) played away with:
(i) a fist
(ii) an open hand-in which instance there
shall be a definite underhand striking
action
(f) released for a kick, a toe-tap or a pass with
a fist or an open hand.
The ball may be knocked from an opponent's
hand(s) by flicking it with the open hand.
Mugsey's famous goal against Dublin was 2 show the ball with left hand and solo off right hand if I recall correctly.
Which is ok only for the fact he caught the ball initially with the right hand.
Westmeath leading by 6 and Eastmeath leading by 5 at half-time.
Well done Westmeath. Disappointed with that, but Offaly showed spirit at least. Best of luck v Kildare.
Offaly were really really bad in the first half. Someone from Offaly behind me said the kids at half time were more skillful. Westmeath were the same in the second half. We were lucky to survive. Heslin is great to watch, he has that bit of class about him. Looked like Connellan got hit with a sly dig after the whistle. Good day out.
I heard it was Martin and he got a belt from an Offaly fan. If so, that's disgraceful and I hope he's charged with assault.
Was Kieran Martin alright. He will be fine, although his nose was broken. Not sure if it was a supporter though.
Important win for Westmeath after the disasterous league campaign.
How good has the Leinster Championship been this year. Competitive and intense, as always a proper championship.
It's only getting started.
I heard that the Meath-Louth game was played with championship intensity which is not what you would expect at this stage of the championship.
I thought I saw a Meath player with a hair bun on the back of his head ffs. Some kind of ninja effort. All it lacked was knitting needles or chopsticks or whatever shoved through it. What has become of the Meath manliness beloved by medievalists like Colm O Rourke? Doesn't bode well goin into the Dublin game.
Quote from: shark on June 12, 2016, 07:44:42 PM
Was Kieran Martin alright. He will be fine, although his nose was broken. Not sure if it was a supporter though.
Important win for Westmeath after the disasterous league campaign.
No sympathy for him.
Clearly mouthing at one of the Offaly lads after the final whistle.
Hate that type of carry-on.
I half agree/disagree but imagine the Offaly lad had a nice few verbals aimed at Martin during the game, and it was more off a release from Martin at the end. I blame Tyrone and their introduction of sledging..
That goes without saying.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 12, 2016, 10:50:50 PM
I half agree/disagree but imagine the Offaly lad had a nice few verbals aimed at Martin during the game, and it was more off a release from Martin at the end. I blame Tyrone and their introduction of sledging..
Ah now, there was sledging way before Tyrone hit the Big time. They were well thought by more knowledgeable counties in this art on their way to success!
Go to bed FTB, you're drunk!
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 12, 2016, 10:50:50 PM
I half agree/disagree but imagine the Offaly lad had a nice few verbals aimed at Martin during the game, and it was more off a release from Martin at the end. I blame Tyrone and their introduction of sledging..
Ummm...why?
Is this what we're reduced to - we now presume bad behaviour on the part of players even when there's no evidence of it? I didn't see any of what happened at the end and in an ideal world whoever hit KM would be punished - a long ban if it's a player (at a minimum) and an assault charge if it's anyone else. However if justice was done, there would be a (shorter) suspension for KM for bringing the game into disrepute as well. And yes, I know that this stuff is commonplace - but that's no excuse not to punish it when you have clear evidence of it. We don't let drink drivers off the hook because we know that on any given night there are hundreds of them who make their way home across back roads all across Ireland. Punish those that are caught, and you'll go a long way to stamping it out.
Again to be clear however, none of this excuses a punch (if that's what happened). That needs to be punished in its own right, with no mitigation for provocation either.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 12, 2016, 09:30:35 PM
How good has the Leinster Championship been this year. Competitive and intense, as always a proper championship.
Year after year we stay true to the founding fathers' principles.
Stylish, hard & manly football.
Because I'm not naive and the way Martin reacted at the end is exactly how I have see other players that I played with and against react, I'm not condoning.The Offaly player should get a long suspension if there is sufficient evidence, Martin is guilty of verbals but I would like to the circumstances leading up to his mouthing at the end, but a suspension no chance.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 12, 2016, 10:50:50 PM
I half agree/disagree but imagine the Offaly lad had a nice few verbals aimed at Martin during the game, and it was more off a release from Martin at the end. I blame Tyrone and their introduction of sledging..
Leave us out of it, you flourbag git! ;)
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 12, 2016, 11:28:46 PM
Because I'm not naive and the way Martin reacted at the end is exactly how I have see other players that I played with and against react, I'm not condoning.The Offaly player should get a long suspension if there is sufficient evidence, Martin is guilty of verbals but I would like to the circumstances leading up to his mouthing at the end, but a suspension no chance.
What you are doing is presuming that in order for Kieran Martin to have goaded, then he must have been subjected to verbal abuse first. Why is it automatically the case that it must have been the Offaly player who was the first to engage in such trampish behaviour? Of course I have no idea what was being said either way, but I have a huge problem with this presumption of guilt based on the fact that there is no way it could have been KM making the first attack.
I've played too, albeit at a fairly low level, and we all know that there are plenty of players who just shake hands, get on with the game, and shake hands again at the end. In fact - call me naive if you want - I still believe that these are the vast majority, and I'd much prefer to afford people the presumption of innocence until we've reason to believe otherwise.
And if you don't think there should be a suspension, what punishment is appropriate? Or if no punishment is appropriate, then are we not saying fair game - everyone should do their worst to bring up anything they like?
He won't do it again.
I said I would like to see the circumstances leading up to Martin's verbals, I haven't portioned blame to anyone, I also said I don't condone. Suspensions is reactionary and pointless and unless the referee clearly hears it, how can you enforce, if you want to eliminate gamesmanship you start at grassroots and build up a culture of respect for officials and opposition players. The culture of Irish sport not just GAA is very much leaning towards the winning at all costs, does today's incident surprise anyone?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 12, 2016, 11:44:54 PM
I said I would like to see the circumstances leading up to Martin's verbals, I haven't portioned blame to anyone, I also said I don't condone. Suspensions is reactionary and pointless and unless the referee clearly hears it, how can you enforce, if you want to eliminate gamesmanship you start at grassroots and build up a culture of respect for officials and opposition players. The culture of Irish sport not just GAA is very much leaning towards the winning at all costs, does today's incident surprise anyone?
That's a shitty politician's answer. The fact is that there is video evidence of goading, so we know it happened. Saying that you can't punish him unless you can see and hear everything that happened in the lead up to it is nonsense - if you go on that basis you'd never punish any infringement at all. And a suspension is certainly not pointless. Most intercounty games are recorded now and if there is a trend where such instances are punished, players will be careful - that's the best thing you could do to reduce it.
Dealing with the culture from underage level upwards is all very well, but that doesn't mean you just accept that the adult game is gone to pot and that there's nothing to be done about it. You say you don't condone, but you might as well if you say that anyone caught red-handed is just going to get away with it on the basis that we don't have a full transcript of everything that was said between the two protagonists up to that point.
As I've said - it is utterly impossible to fully police all this sledging, though I fully expect that in the next few years we'll see teams taking to the field with voice recorders in order to counteract it. My only coaching right now is with underage teams but if I was involved with adults and a player told me that he was being subjected to it, I'd have no qualms in getting a recorder taped to him and to make sure that every comment made to him was highlighted and reviewed by the County CCC - at the very least.
The whole issue with "verbals" is an unpleasant reality in the modern game. There are numerous incidents (clearly visible but not audible) in every game. Today was no different. Martin had a few words to say after the whistle and there were three or four players on each side mouthing at each other throughout the game. Border skirmishes between poor teams only serve to up the ante. This match was very tight at the end and there were a few hairy challenges. Regular championship fare really!!
So we now suspend players on conjecture?
You need clear evidence, sound for verbals, video for acts of aggression or an independent report from a referee, who is the sole arbitrator.
The GAA have recognised sledging as an issue, you can get a black card for verbal abuse, it's not working but at least they are trying to address it but the only way to eradicate it is a cultural shift.
Maybe the sledging should be seen as the bigger issue but bottom line Kieran Martin ended up with a broken nose and it could have been a lot worse.
Quote from: Lone Shark on June 12, 2016, 11:19:41 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 12, 2016, 10:50:50 PM
I half agree/disagree but imagine the Offaly lad had a nice few verbals aimed at Martin during the game, and it was more off a release from Martin at the end. I blame Tyrone and their introduction of sledging..
Ummm...why?
Is this what we're reduced to - we now presume bad behaviour on the part of players even when there's no evidence of it? I didn't see any of what happened at the end and in an ideal world whoever hit KM would be punished - a long ban if it's a player (at a minimum) and an assault charge if it's anyone else. However if justice was done, there would be a (shorter) suspension for KM for bringing the game into disrepute as well. And yes, I know that this stuff is commonplace - but that's no excuse not to punish it when you have clear evidence of it. We don't let drink drivers off the hook because we know that on any given night there are hundreds of them who make their way home across back roads all across Ireland. Punish those that are caught, and you'll go a long way to stamping it out.
Again to be clear however, none of this excuses a punch (if that's what happened). That needs to be punished in its own right, with no mitigation for provocation either.
Why would there be a distinction between who hit him? The whistle had gone, the match was over, surely the law of the land applies in equal measure?
Didn't see the incident, from the Sunday Game highlights your man had plenty of time to catch himself on, it wasn't a quick reflex reaction. Kieran should know better as well, much more satisfying to walk over, shake the hand firmly, look him directly in the eye and let him know you bested him.
On the game itself, thought Westmeath were decent at times but had a big wobble in the second half. Was delighted to see Kevin Maguire following McNamee around the Park and kept him out of the game. We did well at turning over the ball inside our 45 in the first half and delivered some decent ball inside at times to Heslin. Our kick passing other times let us down though. John Connellan was MOTM for me, hope his cheese string isn't gone again. Killian Daly had a good game out the field and his future is clearly in the half back line. Our bench is very light though after all the departures, at least Ray Connellan will be back for the next day.
We will need to up it a couple of levels for the Kildare game, hopefully we got some dirty diesel out of the tank yesterday. I remarked during the warm ups that the Offaly one lacked intensity and sure enough they were off the pace in the first half. We should have gone in more than 6 points up and if we were accurate with our point shooting we would have killed the game off after half time. We never created a decent goal chance although Mulhall nearly gifted us one.
Live on rte one. @2pm Croke park
Kildare 2/7. Draw. 9/1. Westmeath 10/3
Derek o Mahoney is ref
Hill €20
Davin ,hogan and cusack stands €30
With prices gone up from the last round expect a Kildare crowd of Cork football proportions. Missing my first championship game in yonks as ironically I am running Hell & Back in Wicklow which is what the trip to CP probably will be.
Thurles is €30 for the stand on Sunday. Mental. Mind you u16s are a €5 which is good value.
That should be a good contest between Kildare and Westmeath. Reasonably well matched and with both varying in consistency of late though I have a slight inkling that Westmeath might be that bit hungrier for another scalp.
Will either if them really deep down want to win it??
Could be like a slow bicycle race.
I agree unfortunately.
The pick of the two counties wouldn't trouble us in the final.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 14, 2016, 05:04:29 PM
I agree unfortunately.
The pick of the two counties wouldn't trouble us in the final.
Are you the Meath version if Syfín? ;D
Quote from: Jinxy on June 14, 2016, 05:04:29 PM
I agree unfortunately.
The pick of the two counties wouldn't trouble us in the final.
Good man Jinxy, I wouldn't put it past Meath. I've always felt the only two counties in Leinster that were capable of standing up to Dublin over the years were Meath and Offaly. Rest of them don't have the belly ;) ;D
I've always thought of Offaly as the 2nd manliest county in the province.
I would put it a long way past Meath.
Anyway time for an unmanly whinge. Charging Kildare and Westmeath supporters €30 is criminal. They'll be lucky to have 10,000 in for it, lending it that surreal, nothing atmosphere and about half will leave because it's no fun watching Meath get destroyed.
Could have been a packed house in Tullamore. This milking of the ever-dwindling hardcore of supporters is so short-sighted. Minor financial gain now and turning swathes of people off going to inter-county football in the long run.
When I was a kid we could go and watch the best teams in the country for five pound or less. We would go to a game at least a dozen times in summer regardless of whether Kildare were playing. I was at all four of the Dublin-Meath 91 games. Incredible atmosphere and those sort of games leave a lifelong impression and get you hooked on going to games. And it cost the same to go to all four as it will cost to go to one game where Kildare and Westmeath stink the place out with a couple of thousand men and their dogs looking on in near silence.
It's getting to the point where I'd still go to every league game but think twice about going to a Leinster semi-final. People are sick of being fleeced.
Talk amongst the in-laws is that there will be no one at the first game. To far away and to expensive. Time to take the Leinster championship on tour out of Croker.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on June 15, 2016, 12:20:46 AM
I would put it a long way past Meath.
Anyway time for an unmanly whinge. Charging Kildare and Westmeath supporters €30 is criminal. They'll be lucky to have 10,000 in for it, lending it that surreal, nothing atmosphere and about half will leave because it's no fun watching Meath get destroyed.
Could have been a packed house in Tullamore. This milking of the ever-dwindling hardcore of supporters is so short-sighted. Minor financial gain now and turning swathes of people off going to inter-county football in the long run.
When I was a kid we could go and watch the best teams in the country for five pound or less. We would go to a game at least a dozen times in summer regardless of whether Kildare were playing. I was at all four of the Dublin-Meath 91 games. Incredible atmosphere and those sort of games leave a lifelong impression and get you hooked on going to games. And it cost the same to go to all four as it will cost to go to one game where Kildare and Westmeath stink the place out with a couple of thousand men and their dogs looking on in near silence.
It's getting to the point where I'd still go to every league game but think twice about going to a Leinster semi-final. People are sick of being fleeced.
Kildare v Westmeath, Family of 4 - €70
Dublin Zoo, Family of 4 - €47
Curragh Races - Family of 4 Classics Day €40 General Day €30 - free parking!
National Aquatic Centre - Family of 4 €47 - kids 3 or younger free - free parking!
You can't sell the Croke Park experience to Kildare supporters. There is no novel experience for Kildare playing Croke Park, outside Dublin Kildare play there more than anybody else and where's the players might love it the supporters hate it, we have an awful record there, stat from the Kildare forum since the last time we played Westmeath in a Leinster Semi-final 1992 our semi-final record in Croker - won 3 Drew 3 and Lost 8. Outside CP three wins and a draw.
Love Tullamore as a venue, Portlaoise is good and Nowlan Park is good. Fu*k off with your double headers and play all games outside the Leinster final in these venues. Bring football back to the people.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 15, 2016, 10:58:44 AM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on June 15, 2016, 12:20:46 AM
I would put it a long way past Meath.
Anyway time for an unmanly whinge. Charging Kildare and Westmeath supporters €30 is criminal. They'll be lucky to have 10,000 in for it, lending it that surreal, nothing atmosphere and about half will leave because it's no fun watching Meath get destroyed.
Could have been a packed house in Tullamore. This milking of the ever-dwindling hardcore of supporters is so short-sighted. Minor financial gain now and turning swathes of people off going to inter-county football in the long run.
When I was a kid we could go and watch the best teams in the country for five pound or less. We would go to a game at least a dozen times in summer regardless of whether Kildare were playing. I was at all four of the Dublin-Meath 91 games. Incredible atmosphere and those sort of games leave a lifelong impression and get you hooked on going to games. And it cost the same to go to all four as it will cost to go to one game where Kildare and Westmeath stink the place out with a couple of thousand men and their dogs looking on in near silence.
It's getting to the point where I'd still go to every league game but think twice about going to a Leinster semi-final. People are sick of being fleeced.
Kildare v Westmeath, Family of 4 - €70
Dublin Zoo, Family of 4 - €47
Curragh Races - Family of 4 Classics Day €40 General Day €30 - free parking!
National Aquatic Centre - Family of 4 €47 - kids 3 or younger free - free parking!
You can't sell the Croke Park experience to Kildare supporters. There is no novel experience for Kildare playing Croke Park, outside Dublin Kildare play there more than anybody else and where's the players might love it the supporters hate it, we have an awful record there, stat from the Kildare forum since the last time we played Westmeath in a Leinster Semi-final 1992 our semi-final record in Croker - won 3 Drew 3 and Lost 8. Outside CP three wins and a draw.
Love Tullamore as a venue, Portlaoise is good and Nowlan Park is good. Fu*k off with your double headers and play all games outside the Leinster final in these venues. Bring football back to the people.
Very good way of putting it in perspective Dinny.
€70 is a crazy price for a family of 4 for (essentially) a day out. Compared to the zoo prices above it's easy see why the casual supporter is not going to gaa games.
The hard core supporter will always go but the gaa need to be encouraging the non hard core fan to go! Also, the hard core softens over time if they are not being looked after!
I agree completely. Better atmosphere and sense of event is much more appetising than a bland 3/4 empty Croke Park, with the shouts of the players echoing around empty stands. Looks dreadful on TV as well.
Early rounds on a home or away basis, semi finals in neutral provincial venues (Portlaoise, Mullingar, Tullamore) and the Final only in Croker. That would at least bring a bit of buzz, and the Dubs have shown they have no fear of 15+k travelling.
Whoever sets the prices has lost all touch with reality.
I believe it was €25 for the recent lower tier hurling finals.
Surely the idea there should have been to get everyone involved or interested in hurling in the 6 Counties into Croker that day?
Tenner for adults and 1,000 complementaries per County for kids would get some semblance of a crowd.
And the we have 100% increase for the Qualifiers....
How many will pay €20 to see the Leitrim/ Waterford game???
I generally don't begrudge paying admission prices because I know what the GAA does with the money by and large (although that 1.4m p/a to Dublin for games development rankles) but I think it's very shortsighted. I'd much prefer 15,000 at a provincial venue paying €10 a head, rather than 7,000 paying €20 a head. It seems a no brainer to me, but I'm obviously missing something.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 15, 2016, 10:58:44 AM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on June 15, 2016, 12:20:46 AM
I would put it a long way past Meath.
Anyway time for an unmanly whinge. Charging Kildare and Westmeath supporters €30 is criminal. They'll be lucky to have 10,000 in for it, lending it that surreal, nothing atmosphere and about half will leave because it's no fun watching Meath get destroyed.
Could have been a packed house in Tullamore. This milking of the ever-dwindling hardcore of supporters is so short-sighted. Minor financial gain now and turning swathes of people off going to inter-county football in the long run.
When I was a kid we could go and watch the best teams in the country for five pound or less. We would go to a game at least a dozen times in summer regardless of whether Kildare were playing. I was at all four of the Dublin-Meath 91 games. Incredible atmosphere and those sort of games leave a lifelong impression and get you hooked on going to games. And it cost the same to go to all four as it will cost to go to one game where Kildare and Westmeath stink the place out with a couple of thousand men and their dogs looking on in near silence.
It's getting to the point where I'd still go to every league game but think twice about going to a Leinster semi-final. People are sick of being fleeced.
Kildare v Westmeath, Family of 4 - €70
Dublin Zoo, Family of 4 - €47
Curragh Races - Family of 4 Classics Day €40 General Day €30 - free parking!
National Aquatic Centre - Family of 4 €47 - kids 3 or younger free - free parking!
You can't sell the Croke Park experience to Kildare supporters. There is no novel experience for Kildare playing Croke Park, outside Dublin Kildare play there more than anybody else and where's the players might love it the supporters hate it, we have an awful record there, stat from the Kildare forum since the last time we played Westmeath in a Leinster Semi-final 1992 our semi-final record in Croker - won 3 Drew 3 and Lost 8. Outside CP three wins and a draw.
Love Tullamore as a venue, Portlaoise is good and Nowlan Park is good. Fu*k off with your double headers and play all games outside the Leinster final in these venues. Bring football back to the people.
Agree with you Dinny and hope that record doesn't improve any time soon. There was only just over 8k in Mullingar Sunday but the place looked great and there was a real championship atmosphere in the second half.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 15, 2016, 07:39:03 AM
Talk amongst the in-laws is that there will be no one at the first game. To far away and to expensive. Time to take the Leinster championship on tour out of Croker.
Navan is, and has always been, the spiritual home of Leinster football.
(http://www.johnharveyphoto.com/OkanaganCamping/EricRollingDownHillRunningAway.jpg)
H&S have a lot to answer for..
Ara that wet day a few years ago ruined it for everybody...
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It's 21 years since Kildare have had a home provincial championship game. For all that St Conleth's Park hasn't changed since the dinosaurs were around, it was good enough to host games against Donegal and Tyrone in the qualifiers. Surely it's good enough for some of the local ties in Leinster.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 15, 2016, 12:48:35 PM
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H&S have a lot to answer for..
I'll always remember Seán Brady tackling the grass bank at the Hospital End in 2011.
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"Will ye control them kids ffs! This fella is a 2nd cousin of Sea The Stars". >:(
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 15, 2016, 01:26:29 PM
It's 21 years since Kildare have had a home provincial championship game. For all that St Conleth's Park hasn't changed since the dinosaurs were around, it was good enough to host games against Donegal and Tyrone in the qualifiers. Surely it's good enough for some of the local ties in Leinster.
We're not playing in that kip.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 15, 2016, 01:55:12 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 15, 2016, 01:26:29 PM
It's 21 years since Kildare have had a home provincial championship game. For all that St Conleth's Park hasn't changed since the dinosaurs were around, it was good enough to host games against Donegal and Tyrone in the qualifiers. Surely it's good enough for some of the local ties in Leinster.
We're not playing in that kip.
You're not welcome back after belly-ticklin'gate.
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF694/499594.jpg)
Have to say I completely disagree on the cost - €70 for a family isn't bad value if (and it's a BIG if) the quality of the games was going to be good. Compare the cost to going to a rugby match and I'd say it's fairly decent. Now there probably should be a family ticket rate (I thought there was at one stage?) but it's not the main problem imo
The problem is that nobody expects anyone to challenge Dublin for Leinster so what's the point in going. Dropping the prices isn't going to attract people unless the GAA do something to improve the competitiveness of all provincial championships. And that means investment in coaching structures across the country
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 16, 2016, 11:47:43 PM
Have to say I completely disagree on the cost - €70 for a family isn't bad value if (and it's a BIG if) the quality of the games was going to be good. Compare the cost to going to a rugby match and I'd say it's fairly decent. Now there probably should be a family ticket rate (I thought there was at one stage?) but it's not the main problem imo
The problem is that nobody expects anyone to challenge Dublin for Leinster so what's the point in going. Dropping the prices isn't going to attract people unless the GAA do something to improve the competitiveness of all provincial championships. And that means investment in coaching structures across the country
The main gripe is having to constantly shell out for double headers when very few people from Kildare or Westmeath have any interest in watching the usual Dublin dominance. It should be in a packed Tullamore with a proper championship atmosphere while Dublin and Meath can play in Croke park.
I'd confidently say there will be less Kildare and Westmeath fans in Croke park for a Leinster semi final than there was at the first round of the division 3 league in miserable conditions at the start of February.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 15, 2016, 12:28:21 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 15, 2016, 07:39:03 AM
Talk amongst the in-laws is that there will be no one at the first game. To far away and to expensive. Time to take the Leinster championship on tour out of Croker.
Navan is, and has always been, the spiritual home of Leinster football.
Parochial stuff! Tuam is the spiritual home of gaelic football anywhere, anytime, forever. Even though Galway people don't give a shite about football, hardly ever, that's a fact. Seafóid will back me up on that. There is an uisleacht there that no place else has. There is a green stand there that resembles an old hay shed and the goal mouths are prototype astroturf but it is a special place.
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 16, 2016, 11:47:43 PM
Have to say I completely disagree on the cost - €70 for a family isn't bad value if (and it's a BIG if) the quality of the games was going to be good. Compare the cost to going to a rugby match and I'd say it's fairly decent. Now there probably should be a family ticket rate (I thought there was at one stage?) but it's not the main problem imo
The problem is that nobody expects anyone to challenge Dublin for Leinster so what's the point in going. Dropping the prices isn't going to attract people unless the GAA do something to improve the competitiveness of all provincial championships. And that means investment in coaching structures across the country
Ah, it is. It is far too much, when the average punter is only going to be there for one game. That is a mere 70 minutes worth of "entertainment." In the other example given - like Dublin Zoo - you can pretty much spend the entire day there.
I take your point that something needs to be done to radically improve the competitiveness of the provincial championships, to make the overall product more appealing. However, that is an overall structural thing, that has nothing to do with ticket prices. The ticket prices, such as they are, for a family of four, are very high, based on how much bang you get for your proverbial buck. Right now, it ain't much.
Add in the cost of traveling to Dublin over and over, petrol and tolls, finding cheap-ish and safe parking, bus and Luas fares, keeping the kids fed and watered (not helped by the rip off Croker prices) during the day....and it all adds up to a very, very expensive day out, compared to going to match in a venue, closer to home.
When the Meaths and Kildares are having to do all that 2-3 times a year, each year, every year, you can see why games in CP lose their appeal and novelty value. And that is before we get to talking about how competitive the games themselves may or may not be.
I've previously done 1000km, 950km & 720km round trips following Kildare in the past. I haven't gone to a game in 3/4 years.
I don't like where the GAA is going. Very disillusioned with the whole lot.
Quote from: moysider on June 17, 2016, 01:48:36 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 15, 2016, 12:28:21 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 15, 2016, 07:39:03 AM
Talk amongst the in-laws is that there will be no one at the first game. To far away and to expensive. Time to take the Leinster championship on tour out of Croker.
Navan is, and has always been, the spiritual home of Leinster football.
Parochial stuff! Tuam is the spiritual home of gaelic football anywhere, anytime, forever. Even though Galway people don't give a shite about football, hardly ever, that's a fact. Seafóid will back me up on that. There is an uisleacht there that no place else has. There is a green stand there that resembles an old hay shed and the goal mouths are prototype astroturf but it is a special place.
That oul hayshed is maroon or reddish these days.
Quote from: mup on June 17, 2016, 09:45:28 AM
I've previously done 1000km, 950km & 720km round trips following Kildare in the past. I haven't gone to a game in 3/4 years.
I don't like where the GAA is going. Very disillusioned with the whole lot.
If you are disillusioned with county, go back to the club. I've spent the last few days helping get ready for Feile, and it's been brilliant. I've helped organise an U12 Football Tournament where we had over 140 kids in the field on a Sunday for an entire day, and a hurling blitz for U10s with 100 kids, and I swear to God it would just do your heart good to stand there, watch the kids just playing the games, and having a great time, with all the parents cheering them on.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 17, 2016, 10:20:10 AM
Quote from: mup on June 17, 2016, 09:45:28 AM
I've previously done 1000km, 950km & 720km round trips following Kildare in the past. I haven't gone to a game in 3/4 years.
I don't like where the GAA is going. Very disillusioned with the whole lot.
If you are disillusioned with county, go back to the club. I've spent the last few days helping get ready for Feile, and it's been brilliant. I've helped organise an U12 Football Tournament where we had over 140 kids in the field on a Sunday for an entire day, and a hurling blitz for U10s with 100 kids, and I swear to God it would just do your heart good to stand there, watch the kids just playing the games, and having a great time, with all the parents cheering them on.
I did mean intercounty. I'm heavily involved with the club at juvenile level for several years. You are right - its refreshing to see kids playing the game.
Allowing the state of inter-county football to turn you off football is a bit like allowing the state of Kim Kardashian to turn you off women.
Paul Cribben and Dan Flynn out with concerns still around Kelly. Westmeath should win this now, from a Kildare perspective I wouldn't be too worried if we did considering the injuries and age profile. I could see our young Lilies blooming in the qualifiers, week in week out would suit a young team.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 17, 2016, 12:43:05 PM
Paul Cribben and Dan Flynn out with concerns still around Kelly. Westmeath should win this now, from a Kildare perspective I wouldn't be too worried if we did considering the injuries and age profile. I could see our young Lilies blooming in the qualifiers, week in week out would suit a young team.
That's beautiful, Dinny.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 17, 2016, 12:46:34 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 17, 2016, 12:43:05 PM
Paul Cribben and Dan Flynn out with concerns still around Kelly. Westmeath should win this now, from a Kildare perspective I wouldn't be too worried if we did considering the injuries and age profile. I could see our young Lilies blooming in the qualifiers, week in week out would suit a young team.
That's beautiful, Dinny.
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 17, 2016, 12:43:05 PM
Paul Cribben and Dan Flynn out with concerns still around Kelly. Westmeath should win this now, from a Kildare perspective I wouldn't be too worried if we did considering the injuries and age profile. I could see our young Lilies blooming in the qualifiers, week in week out would suit a young team.
Feely gone as well. There'll be more injured Kildare players sitting in the stands than there will be Kildare supporters!
Quote from: Rossfan on June 17, 2016, 10:02:25 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 17, 2016, 01:48:36 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 15, 2016, 12:28:21 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 15, 2016, 07:39:03 AM
Talk amongst the in-laws is that there will be no one at the first game. To far away and to expensive. Time to take the Leinster championship on tour out of Croker.
Navan is, and has always been, the spiritual home of Leinster football.
Parochial stuff! Tuam is the spiritual home of gaelic football anywhere, anytime, forever. Even though Galway people don't give a shite about football, hardly ever, that's a fact. Seafóid will back me up on that. There is an uisleacht there that no place else has. There is a green stand there that resembles an old hay shed and the goal mouths are prototype astroturf but it is a special place.
That oul hayshed is maroon or reddish these days.
There's something about Tuam. Been so many memorable matches played there even since it's been mothballed. The signs advertising the railroad that hasn't ran through Tuam for four decades now only adds to the ambience of the old lady.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 17, 2016, 01:11:32 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 17, 2016, 12:43:05 PM
Paul Cribben and Dan Flynn out with concerns still around Kelly. Westmeath should win this now, from a Kildare perspective I wouldn't be too worried if we did considering the injuries and age profile. I could see our young Lilies blooming in the qualifiers, week in week out would suit a young team.
Feely gone as well. There'll be more injured Kildare players sitting in the stands than there will be Kildare supporters!
Yerrah!
Quote from: Jinxy on June 17, 2016, 12:42:34 PM
Allowing the state of inter-county football to turn you off football is a bit like allowing the state of Kim Kardashian to turn you off women.
What are you trying to say? We're a lot more than a little behind?
While inter-county football is busy taking selfies, club football is busy making soda bread and hoovering the curtains.
Quote from: mup on June 17, 2016, 09:45:28 AM
I've previously done 1000km, 950km & 720km round trips following Kildare in the past. I haven't gone to a game in 3/4 years.
I don't like where the GAA is going. Very disillusioned with the whole lot.
Have you tried using a GPS or even a map App?
Ehhh what?
Quote from: mup on June 17, 2016, 01:53:45 PM
Ehhh what?
It is less than 300km from Naas to the main pitches in either Donegal or Kerry, so a 1,000km
round trip following Kildare either involved a very bad navigator OR an instance to travel via either of the above counties no matter who you we playing. :D
He did it on horseback though.
Quote from: muppet on June 17, 2016, 02:03:54 PM
Quote from: mup on June 17, 2016, 01:53:45 PM
Ehhh what?
It is less than 300km from Naas to the main pitches in either Donegal or Kerry, so a 1,000km round trip following Kildare either involved a very bad navigator OR an instance to travel via either of the above counties no matter who you we playing. :D
Ok and what if you lived in the south of the country? Like Cork.
I was thinking there, you know the way Galway play in the Leinster hurling championship.
Could Dublin not switch to the Connacht or Munster championship just to see how it would go.
The fans would love it getting days out down the country and it would give the team a new challenge.
It would also make Leinster a lot more interesting and give teams more of a reason to lift themselves instead the annual hammering to the Dubs.
Of course it won't happen but it would be an interesting experiment for one year
They're all yours if you want them.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 17, 2016, 02:10:54 PM
I was thinking there, you know the way Galway play in the Leinster hurling championship.
Could Dublin not switch to the Connacht or Munster championship just to see how it would go.
The fans would love it getting days out down the country and it would give the team a new challenge.
It would also make Leinster a lot more interesting and give teams more of a reason to lift themselves instead the annual hammering to the Dubs.
Of course it won't happen but it would be an interesting experiment for one year
Why Dublin? Why Connacht and Munster? The Ulster Championship has been a Turkey shoot this year! None of the Dublin games would be outside Croker. If they were in the Connacht Championship, no one from outside Mayo would travel to Croker to play them. The Connacht final would be in Croker. In the case of Munster, a season like this year would be undermined for Tipperary.
It's a silly idea! It would suit the bored Dubs and no one else. And we already do enough to suit Dublin Football.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 17, 2016, 12:43:05 PM
Paul Cribben and Dan Flynn out with concerns still around Kelly. Westmeath should win this now, from a Kildare perspective I wouldn't be too worried if we did considering the injuries and age profile. I could see our young Lilies blooming in the qualifiers, week in week out would suit a young team.
We've our own problems, missing a host of players for one reason or another ourselves. This will be a dour defensive battle, whoever makes the most of their limited opportunities will sneak it.
Quote from: mup on June 17, 2016, 02:06:55 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 17, 2016, 02:03:54 PM
Quote from: mup on June 17, 2016, 01:53:45 PM
Ehhh what?
It is less than 300km from Naas to the main pitches in either Donegal or Kerry, so a 1,000km round trip following Kildare either involved a very bad navigator OR an instance to travel via either of the above counties no matter who you we playing. :D
Ok and what if you lived in the south of the country? Like Cork.
Then I wouldn't support Kildare!
Quote from: muppet on June 17, 2016, 05:36:33 PM
Quote from: mup on June 17, 2016, 02:06:55 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 17, 2016, 02:03:54 PM
Quote from: mup on June 17, 2016, 01:53:45 PM
Ehhh what?
It is less than 300km from Naas to the main pitches in either Donegal or Kerry, so a 1,000km round trip following Kildare either involved a very bad navigator OR an instance to travel via either of the above counties no matter who you we playing. :D
Ok and what if you lived in the south of the country? Like Cork.
Then I wouldn't support Kildare!
Who do you think you are? Larry Tompkins?
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 17, 2016, 02:32:30 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 17, 2016, 02:10:54 PM
I was thinking there, you know the way Galway play in the Leinster hurling championship.
Could Dublin not switch to the Connacht or Munster championship just to see how it would go.
The fans would love it getting days out down the country and it would give the team a new challenge.
It would also make Leinster a lot more interesting and give teams more of a reason to lift themselves instead the annual hammering to the Dubs.
Of course it won't happen but it would be an interesting experiment for one year
Why Dublin? Why Connacht and Munster? The Ulster Championship has been a Turkey shoot this year! None of the Dublin games would be outside Croker. If they were in the Connacht Championship, no one from outside Mayo would travel to Croker to play them. The Connacht final would be in Croker. In the case of Munster, a season like this year would be undermined for Tipperary.
It's a silly idea! It would suit the bored Dubs and no one else. And we already do enough to suit Dublin Football.
It would suit the 10 other counties in Leinster!
Although Dublin would have to be made play away from Croker more often and all provinces should be treated equally.
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 17, 2016, 12:43:05 PM
Paul Cribben and Dan Flynn out with concerns still around Kelly. Westmeath should win this now, from a Kildare perspective I wouldn't be too worried if we did considering the injuries and age profile. I could see our young Lilies blooming in the qualifiers, week in week out would suit a young team.
We've our own problems, missing a host of players for one reason or another ourselves. This will be a dour defensive battle, whoever makes the most of their limited opportunities will sneak it.
Changing my mind around the qualifiers. Mayo, Cork and losers of Donegal/Monaghan and Kildare/Westmeath on same side of draw. Not going to get much joy there.
Not going to get much joy no matter what happens, just hope they can get through the championship season without any more serious humiliations and hope that some decent players appear next January.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 20, 2016, 07:04:06 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on June 17, 2016, 02:58:47 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 17, 2016, 12:43:05 PM
Paul Cribben and Dan Flynn out with concerns still around Kelly. Westmeath should win this now, from a Kildare perspective I wouldn't be too worried if we did considering the injuries and age profile. I could see our young Lilies blooming in the qualifiers, week in week out would suit a young team.
We've our own problems, missing a host of players for one reason or another ourselves. This will be a dour defensive battle, whoever makes the most of their limited opportunities will sneak it.
Changing my mind around the qualifiers. Mayo, Cork and losers of Donegal/Monaghan and Kildare/Westmeath on same side of draw. Not going to get much joy there.
Where's our f**king pride?
We fear no one in the qualifiers.
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Yea what I'm I thinking beaten all those teams bar Mayo in the qualifiers before, bring them on they won't be able to cope with the panache of Leinster football, look like a busted flush 8)
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 20, 2016, 08:24:54 PM
Yea what I'm I thinking beaten all those teams bar Mayo in the qualifiers before, bring them on they won't be able to cope with the panache of Leinster football, look like a busted flush 8)
That's the spirit.
I remember a time when Kildare were the last team you wanted to get through the back door.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 20, 2016, 08:43:04 PM
I remember a time when Kildare were the last team you wanted to get through the back door.
especially away . What a kip.
That sound you hear is the sigh of relief from Uefa now that Kildare and Westmeath hand passing the ball to each other for 70 minutes will no longer take away from the attendance at or indeed interest in France vs Ireland.
Laois v Armagh on in the middle of Ireland v Belgium...ah fcuk them let them play.
Ireland v France on the same day Dublin are playing...change throw in times so everyone can see the game.
Quote from: laoislad on June 23, 2016, 06:45:12 AM
Laois v Armagh on in the middle of Ireland v Belgium...ah fcuk them let them play.
Ireland v France on the same day Dublin are playing...change throw in times so everyone can see the game.
In the land of corporate GAA all teams are equal except some teams are more equal than others....
So are we not giving credit to the GAA for learning from their mistakes?
They made the same 'mistake' in 90 or 94 (?) playing a Donegal match I think the same time as an Irish world cup game but they didn't learn. The only reason they're doing it now is to accommodate the dubs
Can't be. All the dubs are in bleedin' Leeyill.
If the time wasn't changed you guys would be going ape over that. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Times changed I believe with the agreement of ALL 4 teams involved I believe.
Of course it's the right decision. Point is if it's the right decision next Sun why wasn't it the right decision last Sat....only explanation is gaa don't care about most counties only want the galacticos filling the coffers.
Another example is Sat week...laois footballers in portlaoise at 3 - laois hurlers 80 miles away in Ennis at 7. Would you see that happening to Dublin or cork for example and it's not the first time that's happened laois
As so few from Laois actually go to see Laois teams playing it's matter less when it where they play ;)
Quote from: maccer on June 23, 2016, 10:55:07 AM
Of course it's the right decision. Point is if it's the right decision next Sun why wasn't it the right decision last Sat....only explanation is gaa don't care about most counties only want the galacticos filling the coffers.
Another example is Sat week...laois footballers in portlaoise at 3 - laois hurlers 80 miles away in Ennis at 7. Would you see that happening to Dublin or cork for example and it's not the first time that's happened laois
That is outrageous. Fancy that , fixing the Laois footballers the same day the hurlers were playing. How did this come about?
Really think the master fixture list prepared at the beginning of the season is not fit for purpose.
That happens regularly in qualifiers. Offaly have had it numerous times.
Jim Gavin praises the GAA for making a 'wise and smart decision' and pushing back the throw-in time.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/jim-gavin-moving-the-gaa-fixtures-wise-and-smart-decision-741393.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/jim-gavin-moving-the-gaa-fixtures-wise-and-smart-decision-741393.html)
Was kind of hoping he wouldn't find out.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 23, 2016, 12:27:13 PM
Jim Gavin praises the GAA for making a 'wise and smart decision' and pushing back the throw-in time.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/jim-gavin-moving-the-gaa-fixtures-wise-and-smart-decision-741393.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/jim-gavin-moving-the-gaa-fixtures-wise-and-smart-decision-741393.html)
Was kind of hoping he wouldn't find out.
:D ;D
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Unusually comprehensive, you'll be lucky to be getting the subs off us ahead of the programme.
Exceptionally young team, only 4 I reckon the wrong side of 25.
Kelly if he plays and Flynn will be a massive threat inside, getting the ball into them might be an issue. Also it looks like we are not playing two pillars but one sweeper in Morgan and that half-back line looks quite physical.
Also the bench looks designed to close out a game Leper, Bolton, Smith and O'Neill but Healy is someone who can bring the unknown to the game if called upon.
Very quiet build-up, zero expectation but missing 3 key players which swings it in Westmeaths's favour. WM by 2.
I make it 9 players starting who have been coached by Tom Cribbin in the past. Niall Kelly has to be a doubtful starter and is probably unlikely to last a full match if he does start. There's a lot of responsibility on rookies like Flynn and Tyrrell to put up a decent score.
Did I hear the dreaded words "Tom Carr"
Tommy fing Carr. How many people are in there at the game? Looks like they could have announced the crowd changes to the players.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 26, 2016, 04:18:02 PM
Tommy fing Carr. How many people are in there at the game? Looks like they could have announced the crowd changes to the players.
The echo in the place is something else.
are the dub fabs on their way
Dreadful lack of atmosphere. Hard to watch as a neutral when clearly the participating counties have no interest.
Not that I blame them. The winner will get killed in the final.
The commentary isn't helping the drab atmosphere. Ever pass over 15 metres is a 'great' ball! Tommy Tom is a pain in the hole!
Quote from: moysider on June 26, 2016, 04:38:20 PM
Dreadful lack of atmosphere. Hard to watch as a neutral when clearly the participating counties have no interest.
Not that I blame them. The winner will get killed in the final.
Agreed
Most entertaining thing is the commentator calling "tom" tommy
paint drying be more exciting thank god for ulster
Quote from: moysider on June 26, 2016, 04:38:20 PM
Dreadful lack of atmosphere. Hard to watch as a neutral when clearly the participating counties have no interest.
Not that I blame them. The winner will get killed in the final.
Nothing worse than a empty Croke park for lack of atmosphere. Why isn't this game played in Mullingar or Newbridge?
They should adjourn to the ball alley in Croker - it's mostly handball they're playing and plenty of room for the crowd.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 26, 2016, 04:57:34 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 26, 2016, 04:38:20 PM
Dreadful lack of atmosphere. Hard to watch as a neutral when clearly the participating counties have no interest.
Not that I blame them. The winner will get killed in the final.
Nothing worse than a empty Croke park for lack of atmosphere. Why isn't this game played in Mullingar or Newbridge?
Do you know what , it will only get worse.
The first Q final on July 31 and the qualifier the night before will be exactly the same. Max 25-30k attending.
The GAA marketing committee only have six weeks to give 10 or 15k tickets away to kids from teams in div 3 and 4. To create some kind of an atmosphere.
But will they no. They don't give a shit. They have the money from the TV contracts
Would love to be able to ask Jarlath Burns who was defending the Hirearchy ad nasum last week on the Sunday game.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 26, 2016, 04:57:34 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 26, 2016, 04:38:20 PM
Dreadful lack of atmosphere. Hard to watch as a neutral when clearly the participating counties have no interest.
Not that I blame them. The winner will get killed in the final.
Nothing worse than a empty Croke park for lack of atmosphere. Why isn't this game played in Mullingar or Newbridge?
Because Croke Park is the Leinster Councils cash cow. They couldn't give a shit about atmosphere, or making things easy on travelling supporters.
Jaysus Tommy Carr is a depressing so and so.
Jaysus this is the worst shityist game I've ever seen.
Kildare must have got afraid they'd win it after the goal.
Total disgrace this was/is not in Newbridge or Mullingar! Myself and the woman would have went. Just had no appetite for this in Croker. I'd say the Ireland match had an influence on people travelling as well as the later start. Still isn't it mighty to play in (an almost empty) Croker?
Any one else have the sneeking suspicion that Kildare don't want to win this? A mauling by the Dubs in the final, isn't exactly a great prize awaiting the winner.
Contrast this tepid shite to a Connacht or even Ulster semi-final. Dublin won't have much trouble winning the next ten Leinster titles.
Amazingly I'm still watching this!!
And I had choices. Could have gone fishing. Could have gone to pub to watch the soccer and be pissed by now.
Incredible when you think about.
Quote from: Syferus on June 26, 2016, 05:39:05 PM
Contrast this tepid shite to a Connacht or even Ulster semi-final. Dublin won't have much trouble winning the next ten Leinster titles.
They won't even win the next 5. Look at Mayo
Fair play to Westmeath
Kildare join Derry Down and Armagh in the home for the bewildere
Quote from: Beffs on June 26, 2016, 05:38:46 PM
Any one else have the sneeking suspicion that Kildare don't want to win this? A mauling by the Dubs in the final, isn't exactly a great prize awaiting the winner.
That would be the smart move but sadly I just think Kildare are just awful. You could not deliberately play so poorly if you were any good at all!
If it was Meath that was playing that goal would have stood.
40th minute it was Kildare 1-9 Westmeath 0-6.
If Kildare were a dog you'd shoot it out of pity
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2016, 05:44:00 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 26, 2016, 05:39:05 PM
Contrast this tepid shite to a Connacht or even Ulster semi-final. Dublin won't have much trouble winning the next ten Leinster titles.
They won't even win the next 5. Look at Mayo
Fair play to Westmeath
Kildare join Derry Down and Armagh in the home for the bewildere
Dublin will go even further ahead by staying where they are because the rest are going backwards. Dublin are more stable than likes of Mayo who have too many dysfunctional and self-destruct buttons that they cant help pressing.
Only thing worse than that game was having to listen to Tom Carr on co commentary.
Hard to know whether that was worse than the Dublin and Kerry hammerings last year. Westmeath had the little bit of quality from Sharry, Heslin and Martin that Kildare don't have but the lack of balls from Kildare was the main thing to take from the game.
Football is dying a quick death in the county and it is no wonder that no young players have any desire to play for the county when you have tepid displays like that in a terrible atmosphere. When I was a young lad growing up footballers were seen as gladiators, youngsters today can only see them as idiots who waste half their year training to get humiliated every summer.
Quote from: moysider on June 26, 2016, 05:51:45 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2016, 05:44:00 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 26, 2016, 05:39:05 PM
Contrast this tepid shite to a Connacht or even Ulster semi-final. Dublin won't have much trouble winning the next ten Leinster titles.
They won't even win the next 5. Look at Mayo
Fair play to Westmeath
Kildare join Derry Down and Armagh in the home for the bewildere
Dublin will go even further ahead by staying where they are because the rest are going backwards. Dublin are more stable than likes of Mayo who have too many dysfunctional and self-destruct buttons that they cant help pressing.
Man Utd couldn't do it . Chelsea can't do it.
Every super team dies.
Quote from: Beffs on June 26, 2016, 05:38:46 PM
Any one else have the sneeking suspicion that Kildare don't want to win this? A mauling by the Dubs in the final, isn't exactly a great prize awaiting the winner.
If that's the case they must have been trying to throw the Wexford game as well, as they were putrid in that too.
I have counted three "very much so" and two " it must be said"
We could have a record today
Meath off to a good start 03 to 01
dublin pretty flat in 1st half yet still score 0-11.
That's alright so far but we haven't the danger up front to really claw it back. Backline not looking solid enough. Mickey Burke probably lucky to be still on the field, Graham Reilly lucky too. Wallace needs to think before he shoots.
Is Burke the lad who stuck his hand in Eoghan O'Gara's gob & then tried to spin it that he was bitten?
the dark arts alive and well still in meath dirty act on connolly
Same lad.
Real manly stuff from Colm O'Rourke's lads.
You mean brolly and O'Sé
Great workrate and tackling by our lads but final touches and decisions are letting us down
Back to our beloved qualifiers. Happy days.
MDMA and Mickey Burke the battle of the bicep!!!
They look a bit burnt out. The
Two retrospective reds for the Meath men, ruling them out of the trip to Owenbeg???
Quote from: thejuice on June 26, 2016, 07:42:47 PM
Great workrate and tackling by our lads but final touches and decisions are letting us down
That and falling over when trying to execute a pickup in a mile of space
McMenamon better coming off the bench. I suspect that is what he will be doing later in the summer this year as well.
Quote from: heffo on June 26, 2016, 07:55:56 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 26, 2016, 07:42:47 PM
Great workrate and tackling by our lads but final touches and decisions are letting us down
That and falling over when trying to execute a pickup in a mile of space
Go easy on Bernard Brogan, can happen to the best of them
Quote from: JoG2 on June 26, 2016, 07:57:08 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 26, 2016, 07:55:56 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 26, 2016, 07:42:47 PM
Great workrate and tackling by our lads but final touches and decisions are letting us down
That and falling over when trying to execute a pickup in a mile of space
Go easy on Bernard Brogan, can happen to the best of them
:)
How in the name of God are Dalton McDonagh and Eamon Wallace deemed intercounty footballers, Meath really are a pale shadow of what they once were.
Quote from: hardstation on June 26, 2016, 08:02:44 PM
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Quote from: JoG2 on June 26, 2016, 07:57:08 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 26, 2016, 07:55:56 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 26, 2016, 07:42:47 PM
Great workrate and tackling by our lads but final touches and decisions are letting us down
That and falling over when trying to execute a pickup in a mile of space
Go easy on Bernard Brogan, can happen to the best of them
:)
Doesn't beat this one.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2knY6LrJXNY
I've been that man once or twice!
surely the dublin man passing hand was been held back there as he tried to off load it, ending up in a throw ball? strange decision i thought
The gulf in talent and fitness is still as big as 2014.
I'm really looking forward to when we are as good as Dublin but that's a good few years away still.
Eh, Kildare??
What jobs all these Dublin lads have if they are so much fitter than Meath
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 26, 2016, 08:07:04 PM
What jobs all these Dublin lads have if they are so much fitter than Meath
None..... They are as professional as a championship side in England
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 26, 2016, 08:04:50 PM
surely the dublin man passing hand was been held back there as he tried to off load it, ending up in a throw ball? strange decision i thought
I thought the same. It wasn't so much of a throw ball as the ball falling out of the hand because he was pulled just as he tried to pass it.
Meath played well... For one half.
Fair play to Meath for trying their best and only losing by 10 points. Dublin might not get a tougher game until
September.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 26, 2016, 08:17:56 PM
Fair play to Meath for trying their best and only losing by 10 points. Dublin might not get a tougher game until
September.
The Leinster Championship has officially eaten itself. Wretched days football.
they all gaa coaches or handy office jobs??
I think I'll follow the hurlers for a few years. There's just no point to football at the moment. That wasn't even mildly entertaining.
Maybe our lads need to start taking steroids.
Have to agree with Joe brolly that was a waste of time. Meath were content just to keep the score down and Dublin were happy just to keep the ball
what i notice about Dublin compared to other teams is that they have 6 scoring forwards plus another 3 off the bench, no other county has that forward power, most have 1 or 2 forwards, when Dublin break they break quick and they at least 2/3 forwards who tend to stay up and not follow like sheep back. I just think they are a great team but in a era where many other teams have poor teams, Down, Armagh, Derry, Meath, kildare, Cork, Galway all at teams of yesteryear way better than the current crop. Only Monaghan could say they have there best team in 30yrs
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 26, 2016, 08:41:38 PM
what i notice about Dublin compared to other teams is that they have 6 scoring forwards plus another 3 off the bench, no other county has that forward power, most have 1 or 2 forwards, when Dublin break they break quick and they at least 2/3 forwards who tend to stay up and not follow like sheep back. I just think they are a great team but in a era where many other teams have poor teams, Down, Armagh, Derry, Meath, kildare, Cork, Galway all at teams of yesteryear way better than the current crop. Only Monaghan could say they have there best team in 30yrs
Dublin are ahead because they have more of everything?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 26, 2016, 08:41:38 PM
what i notice about Dublin compared to other teams is that they have 6 scoring forwards plus another 3 off the bench, no other county has that forward power
Roscommon
Just back from another Dublin walk over.
My kids said to me on the way in hopefully Meath are good and it's not another boring match.
Dublin didn't even get out of first gear and know it's just a matter of getting through these games.
Dean Rock is really consistent at his frees and all their subs would start on any other team. Talking of subs where has Devreaux gone to?
That was great entertainment.
Well worth the €30.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 26, 2016, 09:32:03 PM
That was great entertainment.
Well worth the €30.
I thought you'd qualify for the OAP discount, Jinxy.
Think we should just sit out the next 5 years.
Pump that money into developing a lab in Dunganny to clone Graham Geraghty.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 26, 2016, 09:56:38 PM
Think we should just sit out the next 5 years.
Pump that money into developing a lab in Dunganny to clone Graham Geraghty.
Would ye be interested in a deal with Kildare. We have a few lads from the past ourselves who could do with cloning.
We could build it around longwood. We Might get a grant.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 26, 2016, 09:32:03 PM
That was great entertainment.
Well worth the €30.
A at least you had the excitement of the first game to justify the money! ;D
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 26, 2016, 08:17:56 PM
Fair play to Meath for trying their best and only losing by 10 points. Dublin might not get a tougher game until
September.
I dunno. Meath football should be insulted because Dublin didn't take them seriously enough to cut loose.
Quote from: moysider on June 26, 2016, 10:42:40 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 26, 2016, 08:17:56 PM
Fair play to Meath for trying their best and only losing by 10 points. Dublin might not get a tougher game until
September.
I dunno. Meath football should be insulted because Dublin didn't take them seriously enough to cut loose.
If this is true,and looking at the match it seemed to be the case, who took the decision to take this approach? Was it the players on the pitch or did Gavin instruct them to do so?
Quote from: Sandy Hill on June 26, 2016, 10:58:10 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 26, 2016, 10:42:40 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 26, 2016, 08:17:56 PM
Fair play to Meath for trying their best and only losing by 10 points. Dublin might not get a tougher game until
September.
I dunno. Meath football should be insulted because Dublin didn't take them seriously enough to cut loose.
If this is true,and looking at the match it seemed to be the case, who took the decision to take this approach? Was it the players on the pitch or did Gavin instruct them to do so?
It probably wasn't a deliberate approach by anybody.
It's all the bloody oul' GPA's fault.
Better put a ;D for the Ulster bucks.
Quote from: Mclf on June 26, 2016, 08:58:58 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 26, 2016, 08:41:38 PM
what i notice about Dublin compared to other teams is that they have 6 scoring forwards plus another 3 off the bench, no other county has that forward power
Roscommon
;D
Wasn't pretty on Sunday but this team doesn't know when its beaten, another big second half swing from them. Worked the goal really well but what was the Kildare man doing rushing out from James Dolan leaving him free in the penalty area? Kamikaze. Loved the step away Jimmy took from the keeper to give him that extra space to find a spot to tuck it into. He was my man of the match too, probably the finest game he's ever had for Westmeath. Sharry and Egan in the engine room were superb as well and we took some nice points in the second half once we got motoring. Kevin Maguire did a really good job on Flynn although Boyle sweeping presence made life easier than normal.
Great to get only our second ever win over Kildare in championship and to make the Leinster final for the second year in a row. Now if someone could step up in Davy Byrne's absence and create some controversy in a challenge match it may take Dublin's eye off the ball again and improve our chances of catching them off guard.
Up Westmeath.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on June 28, 2016, 11:30:42 AM
Wasn't pretty on Sunday but this team doesn't know when its beaten, another big second half swing from them. Worked the goal really well but what was the Kildare man doing rushing out from James Dolan leaving him free in the penalty area? Kamikaze. Loved the step away Jimmy took from the keeper to give him that extra space to find a spot to tuck it into. He was my man of the match too, probably the finest game he's ever had for Westmeath. Sharry and Egan in the engine room were superb as well and we took some nice points in the second half once we got motoring. Kevin Maguire did a really good job on Flynn although Boyle sweeping presence made life easier than normal.
Great to get only our second ever win over Kildare in championship and to make the Leinster final for the second year in a row. Now if someone could step up in Davy Byrne's absence and create some controversy in a challenge match it may take Dublin's eye off the ball again and improve our chances of catching them off guard.
Up Westmeath.
Congratulations on your win Croí, the difference between the two teams after Kildare went in front by 6 was palpable Kildare were afraid to win Westmeath were afraid to lose, attitude is everything at our level.
The ten minute Spell when Laois reduced the gap to 6 points against the Dubs with two goals in that spell is about exciting as Leinster football has got this year...
Congrats to Westmeath on reaching a second LEinster final in a row...
Id say Offaly can't wait to get a go at the Lillys in the back door!
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 28, 2016, 12:26:24 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on June 28, 2016, 11:30:42 AM
Wasn't pretty on Sunday but this team doesn't know when its beaten, another big second half swing from them. Worked the goal really well but what was the Kildare man doing rushing out from James Dolan leaving him free in the penalty area? Kamikaze. Loved the step away Jimmy took from the keeper to give him that extra space to find a spot to tuck it into. He was my man of the match too, probably the finest game he's ever had for Westmeath. Sharry and Egan in the engine room were superb as well and we took some nice points in the second half once we got motoring. Kevin Maguire did a really good job on Flynn although Boyle sweeping presence made life easier than normal.
Great to get only our second ever win over Kildare in championship and to make the Leinster final for the second year in a row. Now if someone could step up in Davy Byrne's absence and create some controversy in a challenge match it may take Dublin's eye off the ball again and improve our chances of catching them off guard.
Up Westmeath.
Congratulations on your win Croí, the difference between the two teams after Kildare went in front by 6 was palpable Kildare were afraid to win Westmeath were afraid to lose, attitude is everything at our level.
Yeah, there was a certain element of caught in the headlights alright, Niall Kelly getting the black card was a huge moment I thought. Key injuries didn't help ye either but delighted with the win. Now hopefully we can show a bit more of that attitude in the final.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on June 28, 2016, 02:56:33 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 28, 2016, 12:26:24 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on June 28, 2016, 11:30:42 AM
Wasn't pretty on Sunday but this team doesn't know when its beaten, another big second half swing from them. Worked the goal really well but what was the Kildare man doing rushing out from James Dolan leaving him free in the penalty area? Kamikaze. Loved the step away Jimmy took from the keeper to give him that extra space to find a spot to tuck it into. He was my man of the match too, probably the finest game he's ever had for Westmeath. Sharry and Egan in the engine room were superb as well and we took some nice points in the second half once we got motoring. Kevin Maguire did a really good job on Flynn although Boyle sweeping presence made life easier than normal.
Great to get only our second ever win over Kildare in championship and to make the Leinster final for the second year in a row. Now if someone could step up in Davy Byrne's absence and create some controversy in a challenge match it may take Dublin's eye off the ball again and improve our chances of catching them off guard.
Up Westmeath.
Congratulations on your win Croí, the difference between the two teams after Kildare went in front by 6 was palpable Kildare were afraid to win Westmeath were afraid to lose, attitude is everything at our level.
Yeah, there was a certain element of caught in the headlights alright, Niall Kelly getting the black card was a huge moment I thought. Key injuries didn't help ye either but delighted with the win. Now hopefully we can show a bit more of that attitude in the final.
Nothing going into the quibbles over Kelly or the disallowed goal, in isolation they might look pivotal and very debatable but overall our performance was a shambles. Hopefully a full year under O'Neill will make year 2 somewhat better. Never seen such rational anger on the Kildare forum.
Look attitude is everything, go for goals I say.
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Wasn't pretty on Sunday but this team doesn't know when its beaten, another big second half swing from them. Worked the goal really well but what was the Kildare man doing rushing out from James Dolan leaving him free in the penalty area? Kamikaze. Loved the step away Jimmy took from the keeper to give him that extra space to find a spot to tuck it into. He was my man of the match too, probably the finest game he's ever had for Westmeath. Sharry and Egan in the engine room were superb as well and we took some nice points in the second half once we got motoring. Kevin Maguire did a really good job on Flynn although Boyle sweeping presence made life easier than normal.
Great to get only our second ever win over Kildare in championship and to make the Leinster final for the second year in a row. Now if someone could step up in Davy Byrne's absence and create some controversy in a challenge match it may take Dublin's eye off the ball again and improve our chances of catching them off guard.
Up Westmeath.
Congratulations on your win Croí, the difference between the two teams after Kildare went in front by 6 was palpable Kildare were afraid to win Westmeath were afraid to lose, attitude is everything at our level.
Yeah, there was a certain element of caught in the headlights alright, Niall Kelly getting the black card was a huge moment I thought. Key injuries didn't help ye either but delighted with the win. Now hopefully we can show a bit more of that attitude in the final.
Nothing going into the quibbles over Kelly or the disallowed goal, in isolation they might look pivotal and very debatable but overall our performance was a shambles. Hopefully a full year under O'Neill will make year 2 somewhat better. Never seen such rational anger on the Kildare forum.
Look attitude is everything, go for goals I say.
Absolutely, goals are key. To beat Dublin you need to score at least two goals while keeping a clean sheet the other end of the pitch. Dubs still like to play in front even with Cian O'Sullivan sweeping so I'd be looking to send in low trajectory missiles to see if we can work a one on one. Eastmeath executed one of these moves in the first half but your man got the fear and missed connecting with the ball completely.
I think to beat Dublin you need to score 10 goals, and set up a barbed wire trench 30 yards from your own goals. Simples.
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Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on June 28, 2016, 02:56:33 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 28, 2016, 12:26:24 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on June 28, 2016, 11:30:42 AM
Wasn't pretty on Sunday but this team doesn't know when its beaten, another big second half swing from them. Worked the goal really well but what was the Kildare man doing rushing out from James Dolan leaving him free in the penalty area? Kamikaze. Loved the step away Jimmy took from the keeper to give him that extra space to find a spot to tuck it into. He was my man of the match too, probably the finest game he's ever had for Westmeath. Sharry and Egan in the engine room were superb as well and we took some nice points in the second half once we got motoring. Kevin Maguire did a really good job on Flynn although Boyle sweeping presence made life easier than normal.
Great to get only our second ever win over Kildare in championship and to make the Leinster final for the second year in a row. Now if someone could step up in Davy Byrne's absence and create some controversy in a challenge match it may take Dublin's eye off the ball again and improve our chances of catching them off guard.
Up Westmeath.
Congratulations on your win Croí, the difference between the two teams after Kildare went in front by 6 was palpable Kildare were afraid to win Westmeath were afraid to lose, attitude is everything at our level.
Yeah, there was a certain element of caught in the headlights alright, Niall Kelly getting the black card was a huge moment I thought. Key injuries didn't help ye either but delighted with the win. Now hopefully we can show a bit more of that attitude in the final.
Nothing going into the quibbles over Kelly or the disallowed goal, in isolation they might look pivotal and very debatable but overall our performance was a shambles. Hopefully a full year under O'Neill will make year 2 somewhat better. Never seen such rational anger on the Kildare forum.
Look attitude is everything, go for goals I say.
Absolutely, goals are key. To beat Dublin you need to score at least two goals while keeping a clean sheet the other end of the pitch. Dubs still like to play in front even with Cian O'Sullivan sweeping so I'd be looking to send in low trajectory missiles to see if we can work a one on one. Eastmeath executed one of these moves in the first half but your man got the fear and missed connecting with the ball completely.
Yeah, that was... unfortunate.
Team named for Sunday, Callum McCormack in for John Connellan. John a big loss, hopefully he's able to come in as an impact sub. Looking forward to it now, I think we'll put in a performance anyway and once we do ourselves justice I'll be happy with that.
Up Westmeath!
I don't think anyone cares, I know plenty of people are avoiding the minor game as there is no appetite to see the seniors, a sad state of affairs. Of course best of luck to Westmeath anyway.
The Woman heading up (from Mayo) to support the home County (Westmeath). She says that in the unlikely chance that they do it It'd kill her not to be there!
Best of Luck Westmeath (have to keep in with the inlaws)! :P
Last year Dubs beat Westmeath by eleven points, should be closer tomorrow but the Dubs to take by 5 or 6 points. Rosscommon to do it by a point or two in the West.
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Last year Dubs beat Westmeath by eleven points, should be closer tomorrow but the Dubs to take by 5 or 6 points. Rosscommon to do it by a point or two in the West.
Any other tips? :D
As far as I can make out it was the lowest attendance at a Leinster final since 1982 when 32,504 witnessed Offaly hammering Dublin. But as Colm O'Rourke said thank god for Dublin's dominance.
Heartened with that first half Sunday, we set up well and gave Dublin as good as we got. Ray going off injured was always going to hurt us as he was doing damage and was a great target for kickouts. First time all year we had a good kickout strategy as well. Needed to change tack completely in the second half though as that's the period where Dublin always adjust to what is in front of them. I'd have put 14 men behind the 65 for 20 minutes to frustrate them and then hopefully push out and up on Dublin's kickouts and try to sneak a winner. Dublin's bench will win them most games though, Paddy Andrews some 7th forward to be dealing with. Less said about the referee the better, the streaker would have been more competent. Tough draw in the qualifiers now but we got the easier option in Fermanagh last year and we were yards off the pace so hopefully that concentrates the minds.
By the way, I meant to ask. Was that the Iceland chant that the Dubs fans were doing on Sunday? If it was, they should forfeit the game :)
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 20, 2016, 11:24:23 AM
By the way, I meant to ask. Was that the Iceland chant that the Dubs fans were doing on Sunday? If it was, they should forfeit the game :)
Think they had a go at the clap at one stage, it was the same tools who thought the streaker was great craic.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 20, 2016, 11:24:23 AM
By the way, I meant to ask. Was that the Iceland chant that the Dubs fans were doing on Sunday? If it was, they should forfeit the game :)
They'll copy anything the soccer supporters do.