Former Northern Ireland and Wolves forward Derek Dougan has died, aged 69.
Nicknamed the Doog, he will be remembered as one the great characters of the game, as well as being a very effective centre-forward.
Dougan scored over 120 goals for Wolverhampton Wanderers and was in their victorious 1974 League Cup side.
He won 43 international caps and before joining Wolves played for Portsmouth, Blackburn Rovers, Aston Villa, Peterborough United and Leicester City.
Dougan was also an outspoken chairman of the Professional Footballers' Association.
Born in Belfast in January 1938, he played for Irish League club Distillery before joining Portsmouth.
Derek Dougan played in the 1974 League Cup final at Wembley
He remained at Fratton Park until March 1959 when he transferred to Blackburn Rovers for £15,000.
He spent two-and-a-half years at Ewood Park before signing for Aston Villa in July 1961. Two years later Dougan was off again, this time to Peterborough United.
In the summer of 1966, he switched to another club, Leicester City, before securing his place with Wolverhampton Wanderers in 1967.
In just over eight seasons at the Molineux, Derek made 320 first team appearances for Wolves netting over 120 goals.
He helped the club regain get back to the First Division status in 1967 and played when they beat Manchester City in the 1974 League Cup final.
Dougan made his Northern Ireland debut against Czechoslovakia during the 1958 World Cup in Sweden and his latest international appearance was in 1973.
During his time with Northern Ireland, he struck up a partnership with George Best.
In December 2005, Dougan joined other former Northern Ireland team-mates in carrying the coffin at Best's funeral.
Quote from: Square Ball on June 24, 2007, 01:21:59 PM
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Dougan made his Northern Ireland debut against Czechoslovakia during the 1958 World Cup in Sweden and his latest international appearance was in 1973.
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Was this as a result of him playing for an All Ireland Selection v Brazil????
I heard him and David Craig never got picked for Internationals again.
Mr Fearon will no doubt fill us in.
Rest in peace Doog.
Some claim that, others say he wasnt performing for NI.
Others who played in that game did continue to play.
Anyway those debates can occur another day - I have met tha man, and despite not agreeing with some recent comments I for one am sad to hear of his passing.
Quote from: nifan on June 24, 2007, 11:48:46 PM
Some claim that, others say he wasnt performing for NI.
Others who played in that game did continue to play.
Anyway those debates can occur another day - I have met tha man, and despite not agreeing with some recent comments I for one am sad to hear of his passing.
The man was progressive in this thinking and sought unity where others saw in his words betrayal, the guy was a character, something sadly missing in the game today.
The doog will be missed, although certain north of ireland fans will be happy! shame.
Stew - i dont think anyone will be "happy", shame on you for that implication.
Ill not argue with you on this thread though.
Quote from: stew on June 25, 2007, 12:01:33 AM
Quote from: nifan on June 24, 2007, 11:48:46 PM
Some claim that, others say he wasnt performing for NI.
Others who played in that game did continue to play.
Anyway those debates can occur another day - I have met tha man, and despite not agreeing with some recent comments I for one am sad to hear of his passing.
The man was progressive in this thinking and sought unity where others saw in his words betrayal, the guy was a character, something sadly missing in the game today.
The doog will be missed, although certain north of ireland fans will be happy! shame.
Using a condolance thread to take cheap digs?
I could say that I expected better, but that'd be a lie.
Shame.
Condolances to the family. :-[
Quote from: Tonto on June 25, 2007, 12:03:37 AM
Quote from: stew on June 25, 2007, 12:01:33 AM
Quote from: nifan on June 24, 2007, 11:48:46 PM
Some claim that, others say he wasnt performing for NI.
Others who played in that game did continue to play.
Anyway those debates can occur another day - I have met tha man, and despite not agreeing with some recent comments I for one am sad to hear of his passing.
The man was progressive in this thinking and sought unity where others saw in his words betrayal, the guy was a character, something sadly missing in the game today.
The doog will be missed, although certain north of ireland fans will be happy! shame.
Using a condolance thread to take cheap digs?
I could say that I expected better, but that'd be a lie.
Shame.
That is not a cheap dig, that is the honest truth, hey all I have to do is look at the murals in East Belfast to back up what I said.
Now answer this question tonto, in your opinion will some northern fans be happy that Dougan is dead?
Quote from: stew on June 25, 2007, 12:20:19 AM
Quote from: Tonto on June 25, 2007, 12:03:37 AM
Quote from: stew on June 25, 2007, 12:01:33 AM
Quote from: nifan on June 24, 2007, 11:48:46 PM
Some claim that, others say he wasnt performing for NI.
Others who played in that game did continue to play.
Anyway those debates can occur another day - I have met tha man, and despite not agreeing with some recent comments I for one am sad to hear of his passing.
The man was progressive in this thinking and sought unity where others saw in his words betrayal, the guy was a character, something sadly missing in the game today.
The doog will be missed, although certain north of ireland fans will be happy! shame.
Using a condolance thread to take cheap digs?
I could say that I expected better, but that'd be a lie.
Shame.
That is not a cheap dig, that is the honest truth, hey all I have to do is look at the murals in East Belfast to back up what I said.
Now answer this question tonto, in your opinion will some northern fans be happy that Dougan is dead?
stew
That is a shameful comment, even by your usual standards.
Stew that comment was out of order. If you had said North of Ireland fans will be less sad at his passing than they would normally be when a former player passes on you would have been correct. What amazes me is that the late George Best was equally passionate in his advocacy of an All Ireland team yet he never attracted the hatred Dougan encountered.
Not many of you are aware of this but Derek Dougan was granted lifelong honorary membership of the FAI some years ago.
You are quite correct in that Dougan was never selected to play for the North after the Brazil Shamrock Rovers game in 1973. You see, unlike the other Northern players involved, Dougan was pivotaly involved in organising the game and clashed with the bigot Harry Cavan (then IFA president) in the run up to the game.Cavan was bigotted to the extent that he blocked the team being called "Ireland" for this game, instead they had to play under the name of Shamrock Rovers XI and wear hopped jersies.
Dougan was a top class man and a player I saw play on numerous occasions. I recall hin and George Best almost coming to blows after Bestie refused to leave the pitch after being sent off in a game against Scotland
Dougan hadnt played in the prvious 5 NI games and hadnt scored in as many more before that.
The man was 35 and had a good run of a NI career behind him.
I prefer to think of the 40+ caps he won and the 8 goals he scored.
So it is ok to laugh and joke about bernard ,mannings death but not acceptable to mention that Dougans demise will be seen as a good thing by some northern supporters????
Nifan I am not looking for an argument, I just made an observation, the man after all was a controversal figure and given his disdain for the rampant sectarianism that went on during norn iron games he was cast as a villain by some members of the norths supporters, his call for an AI team didnt go down well either.
NIFan you talk a load of bollicks sometimes. Dougan's partnership with John Richards (I remember this well, unlike you I guess) was one of the most prolific at the time and took Wolves to the 1974 League Cup Final. Are you seriously suggesting that it was lack of form, or the striking qualities of Derek Spence and Sammy Morgan, that kept him out of N.Ireland squads since the summer of 1973
sorry to hear that always thought he was a bit of a character. may he rest in peace.
QuoteNIFan you talk a load of bollicks sometimes
:'(
Well being 28 now I obviously dont have much recollection of the time, but I think the fact that he wasnt picked in the previous 5 games shows that perhaps his influence in the NI team was on the wane.
Why do you speak of him being dropped in the summer of 73, when he was in fact dropped before this date.
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 08:55:53 AM
Quote from: stew on June 25, 2007, 12:20:19 AM
Quote from: Tonto on June 25, 2007, 12:03:37 AM
Quote from: stew on June 25, 2007, 12:01:33 AM
Quote from: nifan on June 24, 2007, 11:48:46 PM
Some claim that, others say he wasnt performing for NI.
Others who played in that game did continue to play.
Anyway those debates can occur another day - I have met tha man, and despite not agreeing with some recent comments I for one am sad to hear of his passing.
The man was progressive in this thinking and sought unity where others saw in his words betrayal, the guy was a character, something sadly missing in the game today.
The doog will be missed, although certain north of ireland fans will be happy! shame.
Using a condolance thread to take cheap digs?
I could say that I expected better, but that'd be a lie.
Shame.
That is not a cheap dig, that is the honest truth, hey all I have to do is look at the murals in East Belfast to back up what I said.
Now answer this question tonto, in your opinion will some northern fans be happy that Dougan is dead?
stew
That is a shameful comment, even by your usual standards.
What is shameful is the way the norn iron fans treated Dougan when he was alive and you only had to read the disgusting comments on OWC about a year or so ago proves my point.
Dougan dared to criticize the IFA and highlight the rampant sectarianism that was prevelant at WP and he got crucified for it and some of the die hards never forgave him what they saw as his betrayal.
Dougan wanted to unite the Countries football team to make it stronger so that everyone could get behind one team but the IFA would have none of it nor would the loyalist fans who followed the northern team and to this day we have their supporters coming onto this site stil refusing to look at having one team representative of everyone on the island and not just a team that represents 50% of the population of six counties. Shame.
Stew it is not a shame to support NI, and not desire a single united team for this island.
I feel no shame at all in my stance.
Quote from: nifan on June 25, 2007, 02:21:14 PM
Stew it is not a shame to support NI, and not desire a single united team for this island.
I feel no shame at all in my stance.
I never said you should feel shame in supporting ni, the shame should kick in because you cater to only half the population in the north and the thought of merging with the republic to have one decent team instead of two poor ones is repugnant to you.
I would also have thought you would have felt shame at the way Derek Dougan was treated after he had the audicity to suggest that there be an AI team, to put murals up on walls destroying his character was pretty shameful as well.
Quoteand the thought of merging with the republic to have one decent team instead of two poor ones is repugnant to you.
Why should I be ashamed of not wanting a merged team. I am a NI fan and have been since a child.
Quotewould also have thought you would have felt shame at the way Derek Dougan was treated after he had the audicity to suggest that there be an AI team, to put murals up on walls destroying his character was pretty shameful as well.
Dougan didnt receive his treatment over saying he thought an Ireland team might be a good idea, though im sure that many were not pleased with this.
Quote from: nifan on June 25, 2007, 03:40:29 PM
Quoteand the thought of merging with the republic to have one decent team instead of two poor ones is repugnant to you.
Why should I be ashamed of not wanting a merged team. I am a NI fan and have been since a child.
Quotewould also have thought you would have felt shame at the way Derek Dougan was treated after he had the audicity to suggest that there be an AI team, to put murals up on walls destroying his character was pretty shameful as well.
Dougan didnt receive his treatment over saying he thought an Ireland team might be a good idea, though im sure that many were not pleased with this.
Why did he receive this treatment then?????
Dougan was a forward thinking man way ahead of his time, unfortunately for him he spoke up at a time when the union was rock solid in the north and the unionists had all the power, no way was there ever going to be a one team Ireland at that time and what he said was seen as a sort of sporting treason and as a result he suffered in the press and on the terraces. The Doog was a character in a game that has less and less characters in it as the salaries get bigger, he will be missed.
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on June 25, 2007, 03:49:15 PM
Why did he receive this treatment then?????
Very simple, he went on TV and told a pack of lies about things that, he said, had happened at Windsor Park. When he was challenged on these lies, he eventually admitted that he hadn't even been at the match and hadn't been to WP for nearly 20 years.
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 06:13:42 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on June 25, 2007, 03:49:15 PM
Why did he receive this treatment then?????
Very simple, he went on TV and told a pack of lies about things that, he said, had happened at Windsor Park. When he was challenged on these lies, he eventually admitted that he hadn't even been at the match and hadn't been to WP for nearly 20 years.
You came on this site and spouted a pack of lies about what marty had done when engerland were hammering the north 4-0 sammy, are you man enough to apologise to us for lying through your teeth or do you not have the intestinal fortitude to say sorry when caught out in an obvious lie?
Quote from: nornironsuckarse on June 25, 2007, 04:32:15 PM
Dougan was a forward thinking man way ahead of his time, unfortunately for him he spoke up at a time when the union was rock solid in the north and the unionists had all the power, no way was there ever going to be a one team Ireland at that time and what he said was seen as a sort of sporting treason and as a result he suffered in the press and on the terraces. The Doog was a character in a game that has less and less characters in it as the salaries get bigger, he will be missed.
sporting treason my hoop! he said what he knew to be true and they pressured him to recant it.
he was a character I will give you that alright.
Quote from: stew on June 25, 2007, 06:31:18 PM
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 06:13:42 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on June 25, 2007, 03:49:15 PM
Why did he receive this treatment then?????
Very simple, he went on TV and told a pack of lies about things that, he said, had happened at Windsor Park. When he was challenged on these lies, he eventually admitted that he hadn't even been at the match and hadn't been to WP for nearly 20 years.
You came on this site and spouted a pack of lies about what marty had done when engerland were hammering the north 4-0 sammy, are you man enough to apologise to us for lying through your teeth or do you not have the intestinal fortitude to say sorry when caught out in an obvious lie?
WTF are you on about? The post from Marty was before the home match, not the 4-0 match, when he was in Manchester with the rest of us.
Quote from: stew on June 25, 2007, 06:33:00 PM
sporting treason my hoop! he said what he knew to be true and they pressured him to recant it.
he was a character I will give you that alright.
Stew, he said he knew what happened at windsor, then admitted he hadnt been in a large number of years.
He hardly could be said to know it was true - in fact what he said was not the case.
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 06:34:46 PM
Quote from: stew on June 25, 2007, 06:31:18 PM
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 06:13:42 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on June 25, 2007, 03:49:15 PM
Why did he receive this treatment then?????
Very simple, he went on TV and told a pack of lies about things that, he said, had happened at Windsor Park. When he was challenged on these lies, he eventually admitted that he hadn't even been at the match and hadn't been to WP for nearly 20 years.
I dont give a fcuk sammy, he made a post in the england game, how he did it i do not know but he did and he said that if anyone else posted on that thread they were barred, there is no room for interpretation here and i jumped all over it immediately as did several others on this board.
I wonder if nifan can shed any light on this subject?
Quote from: stew on June 25, 2007, 09:22:40 PM
I dont give a fcuk sammy, he made a post in the england game, how he did it i do not know but he did and he said that if anyone else posted on that thread they were barred, there is no room for interpretation here and i jumped all over it immediately as did several others on this board.
I wonder if nifan can shed any light on this subject?
Ive no idea stew - i didnt even see the start of this discussion and dont know exactly what you and sammy are arguing about.