Anastasia Kriegel

[armaghniac]

They haven't been tried as adults

[nrico2006]

They haven't been tried as adults

What court were they tried in? How long are they likely to get sentence wise?

[armaghniac]

They haven't been tried as adults

What court were they tried in? How long are they likely to get sentence wise?

They may get a long sentence, but a life sentence is not automatic as it is for adults.

[Rossfan]

Is it indefinite detention with a review date?

[Hound]

Is it indefinite detention with a review date?

Judge has discretion to apply any sentence he sees fit, up to life.

For the most comparable case in Ireland which occurred around 2000/2001 in the midlands, a 14/15 year old boy (who had murdered a younger boy) got a life sentence, but to be reviewed after 10 years. He was released after serving 12 years.

[nrico2006]

Is it indefinite detention with a review date?

Judge has discretion to apply any sentence he sees fit, up to life.

For the most comparable case in Ireland which occurred around 2000/2001 in the midlands, a 14/15 year old boy (who had murdered a younger boy) got a life sentence, but to be reviewed after 10 years. He was released after serving 12 years.

Was that the Darren Goodwin case?  I think he was named at the time, wonder why that was?

[brokencrossbar1]

Is it indefinite detention with a review date?

Judge has discretion to apply any sentence he sees fit, up to life.

For the most comparable case in Ireland which occurred around 2000/2001 in the midlands, a 14/15 year old boy (who had murdered a younger boy) got a life sentence, but to be reviewed after 10 years. He was released after serving 12 years.

I think the likely review will be 12 for boy B and 14 - 15 for boy A.  Depending on how they get on in the juvenile set up will determine where they go as adults.  All things going well they will likely do most of the time as adults in an open prison environment.

[GetOverTheBar]

Boy A - Life with review after 12 years.

Boy B - 15 years with review after 8 years.

Will move to adult prison upon turning 18, will remain right to anonymity.

[seafoid]

There was an conviction for attempted murder by a 15 year old in the papers yesterday.

The Stephanie Ng case :

"The boy also told the doctor he was watching extreme pornography before the attack without the knowledge of his parents and that he had been watching adult content since the age of 11 or 12."

Boy A

"Gardaí told the court, in the absence of the jury, an examination of two phones found in the bedroom of Boy A revealed over 12,000 images, the vast majority of which were of a pornographic nature. "

"Mr Grehan said that search words on this phone included "child porn", "animal porn", "horse porn" and "dark web" and these searches dated back to November 2017.
The court heard that two URLs brought users to a website featuring pornographic videos, which had the titles 'Cute Teens F***ed hard' and "Anastasia has the perfect body for f***ing"."

[Main Street]

Has there been any follow up on the accepted evidence that "Ana was savagely bullied inside and outside school"?

[seafoid]

Has there been any follow up on the accepted evidence that "Ana was savagely bullied inside and outside school"?

https://www.thejournal.ie/ana-kriegel-murder-trial-mother-concern-4648659-Jun2019/

[t_mac]

That is horrific, that poor girl, modern society with social media and what is available on the internet has really messed up a generation.  Shocking how these two have the right to anonymity.

[GetOverTheBar]

That is horrific, that poor girl, modern society with social media and what is available on the internet has really messed up a generation.  Shocking how these two have the right to anonymity.

Kinda agree, but should their families inner and wider be held responsible for the backlash? Obviously the names are very much out there now anyway but should they move etc....they don't really deserve that stigma. Maybe B's Da as he seems like a right bollox but you get the point.

They probably should be named at 18, I don't like the idea that these lads will be out mid twenties and free to date/marry with relative anonymity. Something just not right about that for me.

[t_mac]

That is horrific, that poor girl, modern society with social media and what is available on the internet has really messed up a generation.  Shocking how these two have the right to anonymity.

Kinda agree, but should their families inner and wider be held responsible for the backlash? Obviously the names are very much out there now anyway but should they move etc....they don't really deserve that stigma. Maybe B's Da as he seems like a right bollox but you get the point.

They probably should be named at 18, I don't like the idea that these lads will be out mid twenties and free to date/marry with relative anonymity. Something just not right about that for me.

I agree, can't understand how someone that cruel is allowed to live their lives in peace.

[Main Street]

Has there been any follow up on the accepted evidence that "Ana was savagely bullied inside and outside school"?

https://www.thejournal.ie/ana-kriegel-murder-trial-mother-concern-4648659-Jun2019/

I read something similar to that account of her bullying in the excellent  IT article by Conor Gallagher.  Ana had been the subject of persistent cruel bullying by older children. The secondary school management were informed of this before she started first year, however this action had zero affect, the bullying continue unabated and even worsened. According to the statement of boy B, that's why she became their easy and predictable target. That she was to blame for attracting the bullying  eg by the way she dressed, and that she was a high profile  target of bullying made her stand out as the perfect victim for these  evil-intentioned  boys who took the bullying to another violent level.  What procedures did the school management follow, if any? There is no question about duty of care, school management are mandated to follow effective procedures when directly informed of bullying behavior, not to mention alarm bell incidents of self harm.
And it's not as if this neighborhood has rampant crime and generational meth-amphetamine drug addiction.

Much of the recent discussion has focused on the reasons why 2 boys would enact such extreme violence but very little about the culture of bullying by teenagers and the evident incompetence and even cowardice of secondary school teaching establishment in facing up to the culture of bullying.  This aspect of social, ethical and moral education is much more important than academic exam orientated trivia.