Joe Brolly

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Derry redeveloped our Centre of Excellence a few years ago to incorporate a second County ground.

It's grand but just means the CB play the majority of Club Cship games there when other smaller venues would probably be better for them. Definitely better than Tyrone's situation!!

[thewobbler]

So there's a big t shape. Do you know what though, it's just a roof that covers 10 changing rooms, gyms, theatres, offices and kitchens I.e. where the real money was spent.

Would you really prefer that Tyrone has spent 6m and left it looking like a cowshed?

It's the biggest investment every made in GAA in the county; if needed to make a statement.


GAA people, once again, proving that when it comes to belittling and begrudgery, are the clearest of champions.

[Owen Brannigan]

Owen if we're getting into missing the point, then did you not just miss it too?

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1. Development centres are not spectator grounds.

I never said Garvaghey should be a spectator ground or any form of stand.  It should remain for its specific purpose as a training centre but it is the county board that has moved games to it to raise funds to pay for its maintenance.

2. The vast, vast majority of funding and sponsorship raised for Garvaghey was for the development of Tyrone County Teams. It's trite and ungracious to suggest that it should have been siphoned off for another purpose, even if seems like a related purpose.

No argument with that but investment in an adequate drainage system for a county ground with lights should be a priority given it will always have to take more rainfall than any other ground in Tyrone.

3. The development of Garvaghey is one of the major reasons why the club and county games continue (just about) to sit by side. Without it, there would be a demand on Tyrone clubs to share their facilities with county u13-adult for 10 months a year.

Plenty of clubs forced to make payments for Garvaghey would be more than happy to host the county training given the excellent facilities found at virtually all clubs in the county.

4. Which is why Down fork out a large 5 figure sum every year hiring council and school facilities for our county teams, and why Armagh's minor management tear their hair out every year when no club will host their Ulster League fixtures

5. I know that in theory Tyrone GAA could have purchased land closer to sea level and then spent the necessary adding drainage to make it year round playable. But the reality is that there would have been a trade off involved; either a less central location, a smaller plot, or a bigger cost. Which of those would you have been happy with?

Two separate issues.  Garvaghey is at an altitude of 700ft above sea level, suffers from the wind which drives the many wind farms on the level around it, it should have been built on lower land around Ballygawley roundabout - 7 miles away and just as 'convenient'.  The question remains why was this land chosen given the obvious issues caused by its altitude.  Healy Park is an easily waterlogged county ground with lights in Omagh where the high levels of rainfall combined with less than adequate drainage ensures that games are called off  too regular often particularly when the club championship is played in September and October. Probably has the worst playing surface when compared to all other Ulster county grounds with lights.

[southtyronegael]

i think the fact that the garvaghey site is about a mile up the road from mickey hartes house may have something to do with it. i wonder who owned the land it was built on?.......

[LeoMc]

New drains in Omagh is a separate issue from a stand in Garvaghey.
Hosting spectators must not have been part of the remit of the Garvaghey development though in hindsight the CB would love to hav somewhere they have complete control of the money generation on championship day.
Garvaghey belongs to the County board, Healy park doesn't. Why should the County board pay to drain Omaghs pitch pitch ahead of building changing rooms in Pomeroy or a stand in Exendork or a new surface in Carrickmore? Why would any of these clubs be more deserving of a handout than Aghayaran or Derrytresk or Eskra or Dregish?

[LeoMc]

i think the fact that the garvaghey site is about a mile up the road from mickey hartes house may have something to do with it. i wonder who owned the land it was built on?.......

Nice bit of grubby inuendo there but deeds are public record.

[trileacman]

What's the story with gate receipts from club championship games so? Does pomeroy profit solely from the weekends semi final?

[trileacman]

Owen if we're getting into missing the point, then did you not just miss it too?

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1. Development centres are not spectator grounds.

I never said Garvaghey should be a spectator ground or any form of stand.  It should remain for its specific purpose as a training centre but it is the county board that has moved games to it to raise funds to pay for its maintenance.

2. The vast, vast majority of funding and sponsorship raised for Garvaghey was for the development of Tyrone County Teams. It's trite and ungracious to suggest that it should have been siphoned off for another purpose, even if seems like a related purpose.

No argument with that but investment in an adequate drainage system for a county ground with lights should be a priority given it will always have to take more rainfall than any other ground in Tyrone.

3. The development of Garvaghey is one of the major reasons why the club and county games continue (just about) to sit by side. Without it, there would be a demand on Tyrone clubs to share their facilities with county u13-adult for 10 months a year.

Plenty of clubs forced to make payments for Garvaghey would be more than happy to host the county training given the excellent facilities found at virtually all clubs in the county.

4. Which is why Down fork out a large 5 figure sum every year hiring council and school facilities for our county teams, and why Armagh's minor management tear their hair out every year when no club will host their Ulster League fixtures

5. I know that in theory Tyrone GAA could have purchased land closer to sea level and then spent the necessary adding drainage to make it year round playable. But the reality is that there would have been a trade off involved; either a less central location, a smaller plot, or a bigger cost. Which of those would you have been happy with?

Two separate issues.  Garvaghey is at an altitude of 700ft above sea level, suffers from the wind which drives the many wind farms on the level around it, it should have been built on lower land around Ballygawley roundabout - 7 miles away and just as 'convenient'.  The question remains why was this land chosen given the obvious issues caused by its altitude.  Healy Park is an easily waterlogged county ground with lights in Omagh where the high levels of rainfall combined with less than adequate drainage ensures that games are called off  too regular often particularly when the club championship is played in September and October. Probably has the worst playing surface when compared to all other Ulster county grounds with lights.

Owen if we're getting into missing the point, then did you not just miss it too?

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1. Development centres are not spectator grounds.

I never said Garvaghey should be a spectator ground or any form of stand.  It should remain for its specific purpose as a training centre but it is the county board that has moved games to it to raise funds to pay for its maintenance.

2. The vast, vast majority of funding and sponsorship raised for Garvaghey was for the development of Tyrone County Teams. It's trite and ungracious to suggest that it should have been siphoned off for another purpose, even if seems like a related purpose.

No argument with that but investment in an adequate drainage system for a county ground with lights should be a priority given it will always have to take more rainfall than any other ground in Tyrone.

3. The development of Garvaghey is one of the major reasons why the club and county games continue (just about) to sit by side. Without it, there would be a demand on Tyrone clubs to share their facilities with county u13-adult for 10 months a year.

Plenty of clubs forced to make payments for Garvaghey would be more than happy to host the county training given the excellent facilities found at virtually all clubs in the county.

4. Which is why Down fork out a large 5 figure sum every year hiring council and school facilities for our county teams, and why Armagh's minor management tear their hair out every year when no club will host their Ulster League fixtures

5. I know that in theory Tyrone GAA could have purchased land closer to sea level and then spent the necessary adding drainage to make it year round playable. But the reality is that there would have been a trade off involved; either a less central location, a smaller plot, or a bigger cost. Which of those would you have been happy with?

Two separate issues.  Garvaghey is at an altitude of 700ft above sea level, suffers from the wind which drives the many wind farms on the level around it, it should have been built on lower land around Ballygawley roundabout - 7 miles away and just as 'convenient'.  The question remains why was this land chosen given the obvious issues caused by its altitude.  Healy Park is an easily waterlogged county ground with lights in Omagh where the high levels of rainfall combined with less than adequate drainage ensures that games are called off  too regular often particularly when the club championship is played in September and October. Probably has the worst playing surface when compared to all other Ulster county grounds with lights.

Shite ground in the mountains probably a good bit cheaper than a lump off the  ballygawley roundabout. There's not that f**king much to question.

[LeoMc]

What's the story with gate receipts from club championship games so? Does pomeroy profit solely from the weekends semi final?

IIRC the club gets a small cut(10%!). They make the most of their money from the half time draw.

[Tyroneforsam]

What's the story with gate receipts from club championship games so? Does pomeroy profit solely from the weekends semi final?

IIRC the club gets a small cut(10%!). They make the most of their money from the half time draw.

No host club receives anymore than £750 even if 10% of the gate is higher than the £750. The half time draw would usually generate in the region of £1000-1200 for a quarter/semi final.

[LeoMc]

What's the story with gate receipts from club championship games so? Does pomeroy profit solely from the weekends semi final?

IIRC the club gets a small cut(10%!). They make the most of their money from the half time draw.

No host club receives anymore than £750 even if 10% of the gate is higher than the £750. The half time draw would usually generate in the region of £1000-1200 for a quarter/semi final.

Cheers

[Snapchap]

New drains in Omagh is a separate issue from a stand in Garvaghey.
Hosting spectators must not have been part of the remit of the Garvaghey development though in hindsight the CB would love to hav somewhere they have complete control of the money generation on championship day.
Garvaghey belongs to the County board, Healy park doesn't. Why should the County board pay to drain Omaghs pitch pitch ahead of building changing rooms in Pomeroy or a stand in Exendork or a new surface in Carrickmore? Why would any of these clubs be more deserving of a handout than Aghayaran or Derrytresk or Eskra or Dregish?

In fairness, I'd have thought a new surface would be the last thing Carrickmore needed, given that it already has a fairly new surface (5 years old) and is up there with the very best surfaces in the county.

[Asal Mor]

A new low from Joe today in the Sindo. Just unfunny and bad-minded

[longballin]

A new low from Joe today in the Sindo. Just unfunny and bad-minded

what was Joe on about? I wudnt but that paper...

[ONeill]

A new low from Joe today in the Sindo. Just unfunny and bad-minded

Jaysus ye can't just leave it at that??