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« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2017, 09:20:08 PM »
Kerry were outstanding on the day, everything seemed to work for them.  Despite the scoreline they still left 2 or 3 goal opportunities behind them.  If the game was played another 10 times, I wouldn’t be surprised if Kerry won all 10.
With 11mins played Derry had the momentum after score 3points on the bounce to leave a single point between the sides.
10mins later and there is 11 points between the sides.  Clifford’s second goal where he had 2/3 men hanging off him yet still managed to score a goal.  The third goal.. Clifford was being forced away from the goals by good defence, but still he managed to pick out the runner and it was game over.
Derry could have played more defensively, they could’ve had 5 sweepers, they could have double marked Clifford.  All it would have done was kept the scoreline down.  We still wouldn’t have won it.  And the comments would be about Derry ruining the game and having a go at the tactics.
The thing that stood out for me was the speed of the Kerry players. There was a couple of things that stood out.  One of the Kerry players soloing up the pitch was moving away from the defender trying to chase him.  When it happened the other way around, the Derry players were easily caught.  On the 4th goal from the other Clifford, his run was being tracked even though he was going at a decent pace, but then he quicken for 5/10yrds to completely destroy his man.

Regardless of the result.  In the last 3 years Derry have won 2 Ulster minor titles and played in an All Ireland final.  Which for a county like Derry is a decent return. 
On the Coleraine lads, would you rather the chance of winning a prestigious All-Ireland Club title or an Intermediate county title?
On the exiles, anyone who wants to play for Derry should be given the opportunity to impress the new management.
Did you say good defence---we conceded 6-17,we had no cover in defence at all and with alot of our players in the attacking half we could only score 1-8.
Lets call it as it should be, we were terrible in our shape,selection,fitness levels etc etc etc and really it was embarrassing.
I believe the team was in town this evening and got a very warm reception which they deserved but the game was over before it really had started.If Clifford had have being handled better we had as good of players as the rest of the kerry lads.And leaving young Brown on the bench for most of the year,enough said



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« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2017, 09:42:39 PM »
Kerry were outstanding on the day, everything seemed to work for them.  Despite the scoreline they still left 2 or 3 goal opportunities behind them.  If the game was played another 10 times, I wouldn’t be surprised if Kerry won all 10.
With 11mins played Derry had the momentum after score 3points on the bounce to leave a single point between the sides.
10mins later and there is 11 points between the sides.  Clifford’s second goal where he had 2/3 men hanging off him yet still managed to score a goal.  The third goal.. Clifford was being forced away from the goals by good defence, but still he managed to pick out the runner and it was game over.
Derry could have played more defensively, they could’ve had 5 sweepers, they could have double marked Clifford.  All it would have done was kept the scoreline down.  We still wouldn’t have won it.  And the comments would be about Derry ruining the game and having a go at the tactics.
The thing that stood out for me was the speed of the Kerry players. There was a couple of things that stood out.  One of the Kerry players soloing up the pitch was moving away from the defender trying to chase him.  When it happened the other way around, the Derry players were easily caught.  On the 4th goal from the other Clifford, his run was being tracked even though he was going at a decent pace, but then he quicken for 5/10yrds to completely destroy his man.

Regardless of the result.  In the last 3 years Derry have won 2 Ulster minor titles and played in an All Ireland final.  Which for a county like Derry is a decent return. 
On the Coleraine lads, would you rather the chance of winning a prestigious All-Ireland Club title or an Intermediate county title?
On the exiles, anyone who wants to play for Derry should be given the opportunity to impress the new management.
Did you say good defence---we conceded 6-17,we had no cover in defence at all and with alot of our players in the attacking half we could only score 1-8.
Lets call it as it should be, we were terrible in our shape,selection,fitness levels etc etc etc and really it was embarrassing.
I believe the team was in town this evening and got a very warm reception which they deserved but the game was over before it really had started.If Clifford had have being handled better we had as good of players as the rest of the kerry lads.And leaving young Brown on the bench for most of the year,enough said

Can you double check before commenting. For the third goal, Clifford was being harrassed and forced away from goal by good defence, hope that's clearer.
Derry won and Ulster title, beating Tyrone, Antrim and Cavan, beat Sligo in the QF, then the Leinster Champs in the semi final, all with Brown playing his part from the bench. If he started the game the result would still have been the same.
One bad result is not a disaster. Very disappointing for the players and management, but something that should clearly stand to them in the future.
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« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2017, 09:52:53 PM »
Kerry were outstanding on the day, everything seemed to work for them.  Despite the scoreline they still left 2 or 3 goal opportunities behind them.  If the game was played another 10 times, I wouldn’t be surprised if Kerry won all 10.
With 11mins played Derry had the momentum after score 3points on the bounce to leave a single point between the sides.
10mins later and there is 11 points between the sides.  Clifford’s second goal where he had 2/3 men hanging off him yet still managed to score a goal.  The third goal.. Clifford was being forced away from the goals by good defence, but still he managed to pick out the runner and it was game over.
Derry could have played more defensively, they could’ve had 5 sweepers, they could have double marked Clifford.  All it would have done was kept the scoreline down.  We still wouldn’t have won it.  And the comments would be about Derry ruining the game and having a go at the tactics.
The thing that stood out for me was the speed of the Kerry players. There was a couple of things that stood out.  One of the Kerry players soloing up the pitch was moving away from the defender trying to chase him.  When it happened the other way around, the Derry players were easily caught.  On the 4th goal from the other Clifford, his run was being tracked even though he was going at a decent pace, but then he quicken for 5/10yrds to completely destroy his man.

Regardless of the result.  In the last 3 years Derry have won 2 Ulster minor titles and played in an All Ireland final.  Which for a county like Derry is a decent return. 
On the Coleraine lads, would you rather the chance of winning a prestigious All-Ireland Club title or an Intermediate county title?
On the exiles, anyone who wants to play for Derry should be given the opportunity to impress the new management.
Did you say good defence---we conceded 6-17,we had no cover in defence at all and with alot of our players in the attacking half we could only score 1-8.
Lets call it as it should be, we were terrible in our shape,selection,fitness levels etc etc etc and really it was embarrassing.
I believe the team was in town this evening and got a very warm reception which they deserved but the game was over before it really had started.If Clifford had have being handled better we had as good of players as the rest of the kerry lads.And leaving young Brown on the bench for most of the year,enough said

"We had as good of players as the rest of the Kerry lads." Sorry but I would really have to question that assessment, Derry struggled in many positions against superior opposition. For example Fiachra Clifford also ran riot.

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« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2017, 10:02:24 PM »
What Kerry beat Cavan by; 10 or so; what we beat Cavan by 6 or 7, should there been the sheer gulf in class between the 2 teams;  Cavan got over run by Kerry but didnt give away the goal feast we did even though Clifford scored 1-08 from play! Tactically we were bloody terrible:  Cassidy a maccrory cup captain who better than either half back not on and Brown should been on the starting team, and play defensive; result be the same but not a record hammering in a final!
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« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2017, 10:14:50 PM »
Kerry were outstanding on the day, everything seemed to work for them.  Despite the scoreline they still left 2 or 3 goal opportunities behind them.  If the game was played another 10 times, I wouldn’t be surprised if Kerry won all 10.
With 11mins played Derry had the momentum after score 3points on the bounce to leave a single point between the sides.
10mins later and there is 11 points between the sides.  Clifford’s second goal where he had 2/3 men hanging off him yet still managed to score a goal.  The third goal.. Clifford was being forced away from the goals by good defence, but still he managed to pick out the runner and it was game over.
Derry could have played more defensively, they could’ve had 5 sweepers, they could have double marked Clifford.  All it would have done was kept the scoreline down.  We still wouldn’t have won it.  And the comments would be about Derry ruining the game and having a go at the tactics.
The thing that stood out for me was the speed of the Kerry players. There was a couple of things that stood out.  One of the Kerry players soloing up the pitch was moving away from the defender trying to chase him.  When it happened the other way around, the Derry players were easily caught.  On the 4th goal from the other Clifford, his run was being tracked even though he was going at a decent pace, but then he quicken for 5/10yrds to completely destroy his man.

Regardless of the result.  In the last 3 years Derry have won 2 Ulster minor titles and played in an All Ireland final.  Which for a county like Derry is a decent return. 
On the Coleraine lads, would you rather the chance of winning a prestigious All-Ireland Club title or an Intermediate county title?
On the exiles, anyone who wants to play for Derry should be given the opportunity to impress the new management.
Did you say good defence---we conceded 6-17,we had no cover in defence at all and with alot of our players in the attacking half we could only score 1-8.
Lets call it as it should be, we were terrible in our shape,selection,fitness levels etc etc etc and really it was embarrassing.
I believe the team was in town this evening and got a very warm reception which they deserved but the game was over before it really had started.If Clifford had have being handled better we had as good of players as the rest of the kerry lads.And leaving young Brown on the bench for most of the year,enough said

Can you double check before commenting. For the third goal, Clifford was being harrassed and forced away from goal by good defence, hope that's clearer.
Derry won and Ulster title, beating Tyrone, Antrim and Cavan, beat Sligo in the QF, then the Leinster Champs in the semi final, all with Brown playing his part from the bench. If he started the game the result would still have been the same.
One bad result is not a disaster. Very disappointing for the players and management, but something that should clearly stand to them in the future.
Sorry,but how was he able to lift his head and pick out a foot pass if he was being harrassed and tackled so well

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« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2017, 10:25:55 PM »
Kerry were outstanding on the day, everything seemed to work for them.  Despite the scoreline they still left 2 or 3 goal opportunities behind them.  If the game was played another 10 times, I wouldn’t be surprised if Kerry won all 10.
With 11mins played Derry had the momentum after score 3points on the bounce to leave a single point between the sides.
10mins later and there is 11 points between the sides.  Clifford’s second goal where he had 2/3 men hanging off him yet still managed to score a goal.  The third goal.. Clifford was being forced away from the goals by good defence, but still he managed to pick out the runner and it was game over.
Derry could have played more defensively, they could’ve had 5 sweepers, they could have double marked Clifford.  All it would have done was kept the scoreline down.  We still wouldn’t have won it.  And the comments would be about Derry ruining the game and having a go at the tactics.
The thing that stood out for me was the speed of the Kerry players. There was a couple of things that stood out.  One of the Kerry players soloing up the pitch was moving away from the defender trying to chase him.  When it happened the other way around, the Derry players were easily caught.  On the 4th goal from the other Clifford, his run was being tracked even though he was going at a decent pace, but then he quicken for 5/10yrds to completely destroy his man.

Regardless of the result.  In the last 3 years Derry have won 2 Ulster minor titles and played in an All Ireland final.  Which for a county like Derry is a decent return. 
On the Coleraine lads, would you rather the chance of winning a prestigious All-Ireland Club title or an Intermediate county title?
On the exiles, anyone who wants to play for Derry should be given the opportunity to impress the new management.

It was actually junior. I don't blame the lads for playing in the sevens. Because they won Ulster junior two years ago they were unable to progress to Ulster junior this year. The final against na magha was pointless. Win or lose na magha would progress to Ulster. If it was an intermediate or senior championship match the boys most definitely would have played.

All the best to na magha lavey and slaughtneil in Ulster.

If you were one of those young lads not in the  elite athletic group in Coleraine surely you would feel badly let down though.  At the end of the day The Kilmacuds is a 7s competition for clubs who have been knocked out of their own championships and want a piss up in Dublin.  Don't think they would have been there had screen not beat them.

The dates for championship were set months ago. If eoghan rua wanted to play intermediate they shouldn't have finished last in the league.

Selling the prestige of the 7s just a bit short there ! Try telling someone from St Gall's or Bryansford that the 7s is a tournament for players after a piss up.  Ridiculous comment.  Eoghan Rua became only the third Derry team after Ballinderry and Bellaghy to win it.  Congrats to them.

Coleraine and Ballinderry (who put tournament favourites st galls out) played some great football during the tournament.

If it's a choice between a junior hurling final with no prospect of playing in Ulster or an all Ireland sevens tournament they had a good chance of winning , there's only going to be one winner surely.

I'm sure Coleraine didn't go into the league with intentions of finishing last, I dont think any team that finishes last in any league usually does to be fair.  I would hazard a guess and say that it wasn't as simple as that.

From speaking to a Coleraine man at the weekend I understand they applied for the fixture to be moved and na magha said no. 
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Well done to Derry minors, the disappointing result shouldn't detract from what has not only been a good year but a good period for Derry minors reaching three Ulster finals in a row.

Hopefully McErlain is given a proper chance with Derry so that a few of the good young players he's seen emerge under his watch can make an impact on the senior team, that's not going to happen in one year.

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Well done to Na Magha, Lavey and Sneil best of luck in Ulster.
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« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2017, 10:41:41 PM »
Sorry,but how was he able to lift his head and pick out a foot pass if he was being harrassed and tackled so well

Probably because he's David Clifford!!

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« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2017, 10:43:18 PM »
The 3rd goal was down to exceptional vision from one of the very best!  Put it down to a great pass under pressure!

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« Reply #38 on: September 18, 2017, 11:30:11 PM »
The 3rd goal was down to exceptional vision from one of the very best!  Put it down to a great pass under pressure!
What were the other five goals down to?

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« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2017, 07:10:26 AM »
What Kerry beat Cavan by; 10 or so; what we beat Cavan by 6 or 7, should there been the sheer gulf in class between the 2 teams;  Cavan got over run by Kerry but didnt give away the goal feast we did even though Clifford scored 1-08 from play! Tactically we were bloody terrible:  Cassidy a maccrory cup captain who better than either half back not on and Brown should been on the starting team, and play defensive; result be the same but not a record hammering in a final!

It's all easy in hindsight. The minors were great this year but they didn't do themselves justice in the final. Probably could've used callum brown as part of a double marking job on clifford from the start. At least he would've stopped him winning the high balls so easily. All very easy to think of these things after the game though.

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« Reply #40 on: September 19, 2017, 08:47:29 AM »
Hindsight??? What are u blathering on about u fool, sure it was obvious that we were far too open defensively in our last couple of games and that we needed a strategy to address that.

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« Reply #41 on: September 19, 2017, 09:58:22 AM »
Sorry,but how was he able to lift his head and pick out a foot pass if he was being harrassed and tackled so well

Probably because he's David Clifford!!
Are the 2 Cliffords related?

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« Reply #42 on: September 19, 2017, 11:27:16 AM »
Well 4 goals come from having a powerhouse at full forward who was hard to contain 1 on 1
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« Reply #43 on: September 19, 2017, 12:13:06 PM »
After the steep learning curve of the disappointment of Derry's comprehensive   All Ireland Minor defeat, no doubt Damian McErlain and his management team will have realised the futility of persisting with a game plan which does not include the presence of a sweeper or the concept of a top player(albeit a phenomenally physically developed and extraordinarily talented individual in the case of David Clifford) being double - marked in the modern game.

That said and that harsh lesson undoubtedly learned I have no doubt that both Damian and his Minor players will bounce back  to replicate the magnificent individual and team performances that they have cumulatively given over the course of the last three years.The talent both on and off the field is definitely there.Their biggest tactical challenge is to learn from the mistakes of the past and to adapt accordingly.

Players like Conor McCluskey,Oisin and Lorcan McWilliams,Callum Brown,Declan Cassidy( surprisingly not given much game time during the minor campaign),Paddy Quigg and Padraig McGrogan are only some of the players from this year's minor squad who have the ability to develop into top class Senior inter county players.Others when they develop physically have the skill sets to join them.

So despite the mistakes of last Sunday Damian McErlain has  restored pride and confidence in Derry football again.Everyone will wish him well as he attempts  to ensure that all the best players will be available for inter county Senior duty when he announces his new panel in the coming weeks.

By the way  does anyone know when  the County Board will announce the management teams for Derry's U17 and U20 teams for next year?

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« Reply #44 on: September 19, 2017, 12:48:31 PM »
After the steep learning curve of the disappointment of Derry's comprehensive   All Ireland Minor defeat, no doubt Damian McErlain and his management team will have realised the futility of persisting with a game plan which does not include the presence of a sweeper or the concept of a top player(albeit a phenomenally physically developed and extraordinarily talented individual in the case of David Clifford) being double - marked in the modern game.

That said and that harsh lesson undoubtedly learned I have no doubt that both Damian and his Minor players will bounce back  to replicate the magnificent individual and team performances that they have cumulatively given over the course of the last three years.The talent both on and off the field is definitely there.Their biggest tactical challenge is to learn from the mistakes of the past and to adapt accordingly.

Players like Conor McCluskey,Oisin and Lorcan McWilliams,Callum Brown,Declan Cassidy( surprisingly not given much game time during the minor campaign),Paddy Quigg and Padraig McGrogan are only some of the players from this year's minor squad who have the ability to develop into top class Senior inter county players.Others when they develop physically have the skill sets to join them.

So despite the mistakes of last Sunday Damian McErlain has  restored pride and confidence in Derry football again.Everyone will wish him well as he attempts  to ensure that all the best players will be available for inter county Senior duty when he announces his new panel in the coming weeks.

By the way  does anyone know when  the County Board will announce the management teams for Derry's U17 and U20 teams for next year?


Any idea who could get these jobs?