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[Racism won seats for the Tories in working class areas. It's a culture war.]

Okay, is it just me or is nobody talking about the fact that the Tories did not win the popular vote? They got 43.6% of the vote. In a PR voting system the pro-Remain vote would have been even stronger and this would have been a hung parliament.

If your Granny had balls she'd be your grandad!

Labour lost and instead of changing the rules they need to figure out how they haven't won an election agains the worst incumbent Govt in history.

Exactly. I like Corbyn but if you can not oust what is probably the most unscrupulous of prime ministers in the history of prime ministers, and that is saying something, then you have no chance. Yes media smear etc etc but a leader needs conviction in his beliefs and he did not display this in his campaign.

Labour went all left wing

They needed to move to a centrist position with a very simple message.
People don't read manifestos
They will only remember slogans and dirt on the opponents

Labour should have been attacking the clearly racist Tories and what they have done with their 9 years in power
How many billions already wasted on brexit?

They didn't understand what was going on in the working class seats they lost in the North of England. The election was basically a transfer of 60 Labour seats to the Tories and some Tory losses.

Racism won seats for the Tories in working class areas. It's a culture war.

Not really true and if you have been paying attention about polling and evidence from Labour canvassers and journalists who were on the ground you probably know that but it's the type of attitude of ignoring the reasons for being obliterated will lead to Labour remaining out of power for the foreseeable

Exactly. It's like parties here. Accountability needs to be taken for losing votes. It's the easiest thing in the world for the dup to say it was due to a pan nationalist front and for labour to say it was brexit or little englander mentality. That may have played a part but there are many reasons for the obliteration of these parties - a lot of which fall at their own doorstep.(sf and brexit too)

The dup will crank up the divisive rhetoric I expect but have their head in the sand. Labour firmly have their head buried in the sand .

Okay, is it just me or is nobody talking about the fact that the Tories did not win the popular vote? They got 43.6% of the vote. In a PR voting system the pro-Remain vote would have been even stronger and this would have been a hung parliament.

If your Granny had balls she'd be your grandad!

Labour lost and instead of changing the rules they need to figure out how they haven't won an election agains the worst incumbent Govt in history.

Exactly. I like Corbyn but if you can not oust what is probably the most unscrupulous of prime ministers in the history of prime ministers, and that is saying something, then you have no chance. Yes media smear etc etc but a leader needs conviction in his beliefs and he did not display this in his campaign.

Labour went all left wing

They needed to move to a centrist position with a very simple message.
People don't read manifestos
They will only remember slogans and dirt on the opponents

Labour should have been attacking the clearly racist Tories and what they have done with their 9 years in power
How many billions already wasted on brexit?

Exactly. It was a really weak campaign.

Okay, is it just me or is nobody talking about the fact that the Tories did not win the popular vote? They got 43.6% of the vote. In a PR voting system the pro-Remain vote would have been even stronger and this would have been a hung parliament.

If your Granny had balls she'd be your grandad!

Labour lost and instead of changing the rules they need to figure out how they haven't won an election agains the worst incumbent Govt in history.

Exactly. I like Corbyn but if you can not oust what is probably the most unscrupulous of prime ministers in the history of prime ministers, and that is saying something, then you have no chance. Yes media smear etc etc but a leader needs conviction in his beliefs and he did not display this in his campaign.

Voting boundaries help them. The map is interesting viewing. It's purely coastal and nowhere near border counties they have seats in.

The dup did not gain votes in any constituency. Even the ones with the pacts. That is somewhat reassuring.

Sf down more than I thought.

Interesting to see the alliance swing in east Belfast despite not winning and in north down and even north Belfast.

How many less candidates did they run though? I think with finucane getting in they will be happy enough.

I'm only going by what I saw in a few games 

Really not sure what Mulholland you are referring to?

Never mind Marty & Mick RM, surely you cannot deny that anytime Ricky marks CJ he never handles it? 

He's not from Creggan - Glenravel.

Suzanne Breen was saying the DUP could lose 3 seats and win 1
That would be something .

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/news-analysis/suzanne-breen-the-many-factors-at-play-in-a-general-election-thats-just-too-difficult-to-call-38776693.html

If only hermon had stayed on too :-(

Higher turn out at my polling station, purely going on previous two elections

62% turnout at 5pm at stranmillis. That's ridiculous. My parents were queuing at 11am. It's going to be an interesting night ahead of us

I vote in a staunch unionist area of South belfast, it was less than 31% at 5pm. Pengelly is gone.

I really really hope you are right.

Gees if finucane wins I could actually see some trouble up there.

Sf brexit is going to happen. You may get used to it.

More than happy to be wrong but see no possible way I will be.

Did you see Scullion's reply to him on twitter?? Quite damning.

https://t.co/wiI2Mq26Pc?amp=1

(Irish news Antrim team of last twenty years)

Final YouGov poll gives the Tories a majority of 28, which is within the margin of error.

Tory 339
Labour 231
SNP 41
Lib Dem 15

Polling comes with 2 health warnings

1. Polling error
2. Tactical voting

The tories are getting back in. It's going to happen SF. I don't want it, you dont want it but we didn't want brexit either.

It wasnt that obvious when yourself BS and others were trying to justify Lenny having a squad of predominantly young and average players.

Lenny could of had P.Cunningham, Tomas, Crozier, some of the galls and LD men when he started but he chose not to.

The fact that you are happy enough with Lennys and the teams performances as last 3 years just shows you the mentality around the county, happy to be there. So again back to what iv said, no WINNING mentality. And wont have that until we see all this good work BS stated clubs are doing throughout the county come to fruition, (if theres many clubs really putting the work in) and hopefully in the 10 years that he talks about there will be 6/7 teams challenging for county titles. Then we could see something different.

But i wont hold my breathe

I didn't know that Lenny chose not to have those guys - are you sure about that?

You are basically stating the obvious here. Better teams GENERALLY have better players which is why they win. Other teams can have good players too but they will have less of them.

To be honest I think he has done as well as he has been allowed. If he could have had the best guys available he would have had the best guys available. It is more than just him that is meaning that some of these guys won't commit. Age demographics also a factor here too.

In any county you would expect 6 or 7 from your champions. In terms of the best from Cargin you would have Crozier, OBoyle, Laverty,two McCanns minimum and one or two others however this hasn't happened. Lenny can't make them play.