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The worst thing about this early Manchester United Champions league exit is that Wolfsburg,PSV will probably be knocked out in the next round.

Sure Utd have been worse than both what makes you think Utd would have won the next game??

What makes you think I would think Manchester United would win if they went through? At least if they went through they could be knocked out by a better quality side than Wolfsburg or PSV.

The worst thing about this early Manchester United Champions league exit is that Wolfsburg,PSV will probably be knocked out in the next round.

[Nani ffs!! That good he's playing in Turkey. He doesn't have the right mentaility to play for a top club]

Nani ffs!! That good he's playing in Turkey. He doesn't have the right mentaility to play for a top club. Hernandez wouldn't have scored goals in this system and his all round play wasn't good enough for United. The one player who we should have tried harder to keep hold of in the last few years was Evra.

Manchester United were a top side in a better Premier league when Nani won this.

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2011/May/Nani-is-players-player.aspx

[Hernandez has scored 11 in the last 10 games for Bayer Leverkusen.]

There's the problem with those articulating these views.

Name an attacker who could have been bought last summer who could have made a real difference.
Naming Hernandez and Wilson is a laugh - they've consistently proven they're not good enough. United already have the firepower to beat most teams in England and mid level teams in Europe.

What's missing is the top quality bracket player - they're all tied down.

Wilson was consistenly on the bench. He should have played more. Hernandez has scored 11 in the last 10 games for Bayer Leverkusen.

Won player of the month in German I see. Nani had a good season in Portugal last year he is as good as Valencia,young or Depay.

Can anymore here see Manchester United getting the win they require in Germany tomorrow night? Another draw and early champions league exit looks the most likely outcome.

Ulster wanted the semi finals rescheduled for this weekend but others have said NO.

You're well out of touch Captain. Top clubs in every county have well kitted out gyms and a strength and conditioning programme for each senior player. If you haven't you'll be left behind.

Think you are wrong there. Imo there is not now a senior football club team in the country that doesn't have gym and s and c programmes. Most intermediate teams also.

An increase in gyms,strength and conditioning programmes was brought into club level on the wishes of county players the last few years. That doesn't mean it's compulsory and judging the body shape of certain non county players or former county players at club level it proves club football is not obsessed with fitness as much as the county game has been.

It's a funny old game from the high of scoring four goals against Manchester City and six goals against Southampton mid week to no goals and a defeat against a poor Newcastle side today.

Great game, some of the club action this year has been outstanding.

Senior County football could follow its lead, club football not obsessed with fitness and tactics and produces more than a handful of good games.

Its completely obsessed with fitness and tactics as much as the county game. The Dublin top clubs have the same strength and conditioning programmes the Dublin team have.

Still many club players around the country that rarely see the inside of a gym never mind on strength and conditioning programmes.

Better weather forecast promised for Sunday would it not make more sense to play the semi finals tomorrow and the final next weekend.

These guys are amateurs. To give up time for one weekend is hard enough. For two.......I'd say impossible. Also what if the final has a Munster team. Two weekend travelling to Ulster? It would be as easy to play the games as 11 a side in Cardiff under a roof over one weekend.

The two semi final winners have to play twice in two days should amateurs be doing this? It's probably one of the main reasons why so many players have opted out of this.

Better weather forecast promised for Sunday would it not make more sense to play the semi finals tomorrow and the final next weekend.

I would say it is harder for the likes of Tipp football (I assume that's who you are referring to) because of the cost of running a successful Hurling team. But thats a different matter as successful duel counties must be counted differently.

But going back to the top 4 - well Mayo are in debt up to their neck. Needed a bail out from Croke Park to cover the repayments on the over spend for the stand (unfortunately built in the boom) in McHale park.  To say/assume that they have an unlimited supply of cash is simply incorrect.

I picked Cavan,Tipperary out as examples because they have done the ground work at underage, Cavan are in division two and Tipperary are likely to gain promotion to that division next year however with the way the game has gone their fate at senior level could be decided by how much money they can afford to spend each year.

The final point you make sounds like Mayo have done a business deal of putting a stadium debt on the back burner while can continue to spend as they have done these last four or five years. A situation like that could become a case of short term gain to long term pain.

I doubt if Roscommon or Armagh got all of their available funds together would be able to match what Mayo will likely spend in 2016 on just their senior team. It's not groundbreaking stuff to know the counties that are challenging for the All Ireland are also the same counties that are spending the most.

Correct - counties that are challenging will be spending a lot more.
Most obviously because they will be in the championship longer - thus extending their spend by probably up to 100%. But I dont see how these 2 points are relevant to this thread.

The haves and the have nots. It is not a level playing field.

The same few counties have reached the last four for the last five years it's annual spend for those counties and that supply of cash is unlikely to dry up anytime soon for those sides.

On the other hand if say Cavan,Tipperary were to get in expensive management team have extended run in the championship and spent the same type of cash that the current challengers do now they would likely be in the red for next few years.

McEntee, Buckley, Horan And Solan.

Sure if you can't beat them, join them

I know one thing...there'll no be too much Euro left in Mayo by the time them four men are finished with them...and they may well win them SAM but it'll cost them

Dunno about that.

McEntee is there to work with the boys based out of Mayo mostly in Dublin. This will probably happen for most of the first few months. probably up until March or after before these guys are together all the time. This is a money saving cost and what was employed before in other setups - i.e. rather than bringing them down 3 or 4 nights a week etc along with McEntee with maybe Buckley going up a few times to make sure all sides on the same hymn sheet.

Plus Dublin a lot closer for him which is one of the reasons I suppose he came on board.

If you want to go looking for money going to be spent check out the top two i.e. Kerry and Dublin. Also Rossies I would say along with Armagh. Can't see McGeeney sparing it or McStay.

I doubt if Roscommon or Armagh got all of their available funds together would be able to match what Mayo will likely spend in 2016 on just their senior team. It's not groundbreaking stuff to know the counties that are challenging for the All Ireland are also the same counties that are spending the most.

[I thought Cuckoos Nest and Silence of the Lambs were both a pile of dung.]

Each to their own but I thought Cuckoos Nest and Silence of the Lambs were both a pile of dung.

Only a small minority would agree with that view.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/one_flew_over_the_cuckoos_nest/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/Silence_of_the_Lambs/

1 - (5 points) City of God
2 - (4 points) Mississippi burning
3. - (3 points) The Silence of the Lambs
4. - (2 points) Forrest Gump
5. - (1 point) The Green Mile