With the British GAA having their reception in Westminster, to add to other recent events, has the GAA lost its 'radical' edge; or in fact did it ever have 'this?'
I'm curious to see what the posters think.
Most clubs project their community. For richer for poorer.. politics needs to be kept away from the committee table.
They still play the national anthem before matches. Get rid. Sport is supposed to be inclusive and not divisive.
Quote from: theticklemister on January 28, 2018, 09:36:37 AM
With the British GAA having their reception in Westminster, to add to other recent events, has the GAA lost its 'radical' edge; or in fact did it ever have 'this?'
I'm curious to see what the posters think.
They lost their radical edge the day they allowed bishops throw the ball in.
Quote from: Syferus on January 28, 2018, 01:20:54 PM
They still play the national anthem before matches. Get rid. Sport is supposed to be inclusive and not divisive.
Yes, has to be one of the most annoying traditions left! Have it just for a provincial final or AI final.
Quote from: Syferus on January 28, 2018, 01:20:54 PM
They still play the national anthem before matches. Get rid. Sport is supposed to be inclusive and not divisive.
The Gaa is much much more than just sport, how is the playing of the national anthem divisive? As for the gaa being radically republican, as a whole I don't believe it is or has been certainly in my experience of it over my lifetime.
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 28, 2018, 03:55:49 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 28, 2018, 01:20:54 PM
They still play the national anthem before matches. Get rid. Sport is supposed to be inclusive and not divisive.
Yes, has to be one of the most annoying traditions left! Have it just for a provincial final or AI final.
I agree. Big finals only.
It's not really needed. Hearing it thousands of times, from an u-14 div 3 qualifier to a NFL game, it kinda loses something along the way.
What about the H block protests in early 80's?
Naming of clubs after men of 1916 was of it's time, but now, it feels strange. Not in a 'lets pander to unionists' king of way. Sport and rebellion are miles apart.
I don't think the GAA was ever radical or republican, can't remember it ever doing too much for northern counties through the troubles. As RRHF said, most GAA clubs mirror their community but the GAA as a whole has never been radical or republican.
The OP started the topic yesterday 'The GAA in Westminster'.
I think he's fishing.
The GAA is nationalist rather than republican. Playing the games on a 32 county basis means it has zero respect for the border.
Speak for yourself re the national anthem and may I add as much as I hate to admit typical Mayo bollix to come strong with the anti nationalist pride.
Anti-jingoistic more like.
Surely Sam Maguire was radical,being a gunman and all that
QuoteThey still play the national anthem before matches. Get rid. Sport is supposed to be inclusive and not divisive.
Please explain how the national anthem is divisive? What would you prefer, the dirge that is Ireland's Call?
The anthem isn't divisive, but nobody who has ever listened to an ancient crackly recording played over biscuit tin speakers in the middle of nowhere could argue that we need to hear it ALL THE TIME.
Play it before finals, and only finals.
Agreed Jinxy.
The GAA should look after its sports, let its members leave their politics at the gate and leave politics to the politicians.
Quote from: Jinxy on January 28, 2018, 07:49:25 PM
The anthem isn't divisive, but nobody who has ever listened to an ancient crackly recording played over biscuit tin speakers in the middle of nowhere could argue that we need to hear it ALL THE TIME.
Play it before finals, and only finals.
Ah but those crackly biscuit tin speakers do the best ones. :D
Quote from: Rossfan on January 28, 2018, 07:54:29 PM
Agreed Jinxy.
The GAA should look after its sports, let its members leave their politics at the gate and leave politics to the politicians.
When has that ever happened?
But yes, Jinxy is right. There's no need for the anthem at every farts end.
Quote from: Jinxy on January 28, 2018, 07:49:25 PM
The anthem isn't divisive, but nobody who has ever listened to an ancient crackly recording played over biscuit tin speakers in the middle of nowhere could argue that we need to hear it ALL THE TIME.
Play it before finals, and only finals.
Meath kids would grow up without hearing the song, Jinxy
Quote from: Rossfan on January 28, 2018, 07:54:29 PM
Agreed Jinxy.
The GAA should look after its sports, let its members leave their politics at the gate and leave politics to the politicians.
Speaking of which, Alan Dillon is running for the blueshirts.
Quote from: larryin89 on January 28, 2018, 06:18:27 PM
Speak for yourself re the national anthem and may I add as much as I hate to admit typical Mayo bollix to come strong with the anti nationalist pride.
A powerf rant Larry but wtf is it meant for?
Quote from: LooseCannon on January 28, 2018, 08:53:46 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 28, 2018, 07:54:29 PM
Agreed Jinxy.
The GAA should look after its sports, let its members leave their politics at the gate and leave politics to the politicians.
Speaking of which, Alan Dillon is running for the blueshirts.
Would he be related to.John Dillon the 1950s minister?
Quote from: LooseCannon on January 28, 2018, 08:53:46 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 28, 2018, 07:54:29 PM
Agreed Jinxy.
The GAA should look after its sports, let its members leave their politics at the gate and leave politics to the politicians.
Speaking of which, Alan Dillon is running for the blueshirts.
Yeah, was listening to him yesterday on Newstalk.
He'd want to get out of the habit of starting every sentence with, "I s'pose..."
Quote from: Jinxy on January 28, 2018, 09:52:15 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on January 28, 2018, 08:53:46 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 28, 2018, 07:54:29 PM
Agreed Jinxy.
The GAA should look after its sports, let its members leave their politics at the gate and leave politics to the politicians.
Speaking of which, Alan Dillon is running for the blueshirts.
Yeah, was listening to him yesterday on Newstalk.
He'd want to get out of the habit of starting every sentence with, "I s'pose..."
Quote from: Manning18 on January 29, 2018, 01:34:54 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 28, 2018, 09:52:15 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on January 28, 2018, 08:53:46 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 28, 2018, 07:54:29 PM
Agreed Jinxy.
The GAA should look after its sports, let its members leave their politics at the gate and leave politics to the politicians.
Speaking of which, Alan Dillon is running for the blueshirts.
Yeah, was listening to him yesterday on Newstalk.
He'd want to get out of the habit of starting every sentence with, "I s'pose..."
Agree re anthem being kept special and must be done right.
And politics should be kept out of sports, but those that would have us lose the Irish aspect of the GAA should be careful what they wish for. Most GAA volunteers commit to their club due to that sense of place club, county, country. As a result we punch above our weight, not because we are the same as other sports but because we operate differently, with values other than sport coming in to play.
also it has not always happen the GAA has striven not to be a radical organization if it had been it would have died several times including during the civil war when alan Dillon and and his cohorts went about killing Irishmen and women to ensure the continued occupation of Ireland and its links to the English Crown were maintained.
but most of the GAA just accepted these thing as eternal events and a different part of there own lives even
Alan Dillon must be around 120 years old now!!!
Quote from: Rossfan on January 29, 2018, 11:08:33 AM
Alan Dillon must be around 120 years old now!!!
he was born the same year as the rossies 1st tried to reclaim Ballaghadereen
I would rather listen to a crackly biscuit tin than some young wan who clearly has not one single word of Irish in her vocabulary give it the full Maria Carey.
Quote from: Syferus on January 28, 2018, 01:20:54 PM
They still play the national anthem before matches. Get rid. Sport is supposed to be inclusive and not divisive.
How surprising...a blueshirt who regards the playing of our national anthem as a sign of 'radical republicanism' and divisive and believes it 'must be stopped'.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 28, 2018, 07:54:29 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 28, 2018, 07:49:25 PM
The anthem isn't divisive, but nobody who has ever listened to an ancient crackly recording played over biscuit tin speakers in the middle of nowhere could argue that we need to hear it ALL THE TIME.
Play it before finals, and only finals.
Agreed Jinxy.
The GAA should look after its sports, let its members leave their politics at the gate and leave politics to the politicians.
So playing the Irish National Anthem is now 'political'? Depressing how many Mexicans are embarrassed/ashamed of the national anthem and regard it as 'political' or 'divisive'.
Quote from: seafoid on January 28, 2018, 09:37:37 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on January 28, 2018, 08:53:46 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 28, 2018, 07:54:29 PM
Agreed Jinxy.
The GAA should look after its sports, let its members leave their politics at the gate and leave politics to the politicians.
Speaking of which, Alan Dillon is running for the blueshirts.
Would he be related to.John Dillon the 1950s minister?
Highly doubt it.....from 2 different ends of the county
A few years ago over on Willie Joes blog, someone claiming to be a big Mayo supporter and a Muslim floated the idea of changing the crest (again) because "Criost Linn" was not an inclusive message.
Maybe it's time ye changed to Allah linn as Críost isn't doing a whole pile for ye.
Quote from: Snapchap on January 29, 2018, 01:19:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 28, 2018, 07:54:29 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 28, 2018, 07:49:25 PM
The anthem isn't divisive, but nobody who has ever listened to an ancient crackly recording played over biscuit tin speakers in the middle of nowhere could argue that we need to hear it ALL THE TIME.
Play it before finals, and only finals.
Agreed Jinxy.
The GAA should look after its sports, let its members leave their politics at the gate and leave politics to the politicians.
So playing the Irish National Anthem is now 'political'? Depressing how many Mexicans are embarrassed/ashamed of the national anthem and regard it as 'political' or 'divisive'.
That's your incorrect interpretation of what I said.
But don't let the truth get in the way of your prejudices.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 29, 2018, 01:55:30 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on January 29, 2018, 01:19:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 28, 2018, 07:54:29 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 28, 2018, 07:49:25 PM
The anthem isn't divisive, but nobody who has ever listened to an ancient crackly recording played over biscuit tin speakers in the middle of nowhere could argue that we need to hear it ALL THE TIME.
Play it before finals, and only finals.
Agreed Jinxy.
The GAA should look after its sports, let its members leave their politics at the gate and leave politics to the politicians.
So playing the Irish National Anthem is now 'political'? Depressing how many Mexicans are embarrassed/ashamed of the national anthem and regard it as 'political' or 'divisive'.
That's your incorrect interpretation of what I said.
But don't let the truth get in the way of your prejudices.
Jinxy was speaking specifically about the use of the national anthem, saying that it should not only be used at finals. You replied that he was "correct" because politics should be kept out of sport. If that isn't you defining the national anthem as political, then I'm at a loss as to what your 'political' point was in relation to, when you agreed with Jinxy.
I didn't put in any "because".
I agreed with Jinxy about scratchy versions and only playing the anthem before Finals.
Started a new para then making a different point.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 29, 2018, 02:18:44 PM
I didn't put in any "because".
I agreed with Jinxy about scratchy versions and only playing the anthem before Finals.
Started a new para then making a different point.
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Northern education standards pretty low it seems :-\
Quote from: Rossfan on January 29, 2018, 03:02:29 PM
Northern education standards pretty low it seems :-\
My sincere apologies. I genuinely thought you were referring to the national anthem when you directly replied to a post about the national anthem. Very silly of me.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 29, 2018, 01:47:24 PM
Maybe it's time ye changed to Allah linn as Críost isn't doing a whole pile for ye.
And I think he was a Ballagh Rhubarb to make it even worse
Quote from: Rossfan on January 29, 2018, 03:02:29 PM
Northern education standards pretty low it seems :-\
don't lump us all together
Does the thread mean a radical republican connection? Or a radical or republican connection? I think it differs from club to club. I also think the vast difference between the occupied 6 and the south with regards to this connection would be night and day.
Quote from: Therealdonald on January 29, 2018, 04:29:00 PM
Does the thread mean a radical republican connection? Or a radical or republican connection? I think it differs from club to club. I also think the vast difference between the occupied 6 and the south with regards to this connection would be night and day.
I was interested in what the posters thought.
Some examples in Derry would be
The Sean Larkin Cup (One of the four members of Republicans killed by Pro-treaty forces at Drumboe, he hailed from near Ballinderry)
and
The Sheridan, Bateson , Lee Cup; which is the name of the Intermediate Championship (Named after 3 IRA men whose bomb prematurely blew in Magherafelt in 1971)
and
Hugh /McElwee Cup (A minor South Derry competition).
Of course a lot of clubs were named after former Republicans.
In Derry we have Sean Dolans (Republican and Cultural radical from Derry City who died from ill health after being interned on the Al Rawadh and Crumlin Road aged 28), Watty Grahams Glen (local Maghera man who fought in the 1798 rebellion) and Kevin Lynch. Other clubs are Robert Emmetts, Eoghan Rua, Wolfe Tones to name but a few.
A lot of the above people were active in the GAA in their areas.
As realdonald says, it differs from club to club.
I know from going to clubs in East Tyrone and South Derry; that these areas would hold high in esteem of men/women who fought for independence.
Quote from: whitey on January 29, 2018, 01:24:05 PM
A few years ago over on Willie Joes blog, someone claiming to be a big Mayo supporter and a Muslim floated the idea of changing the crest (again) because "Criost Linn" was not an inclusive message.
That was Syferus.
Quote from: Jinxy on January 29, 2018, 07:22:24 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 29, 2018, 01:24:05 PM
A few years ago over on Willie Joes blog, someone claiming to be a big Mayo supporter and a Muslim floated the idea of changing the crest (again) because "Criost Linn" was not an inclusive message.
That was Syferus.
It should be moved anyway - f**k all use it's done us.
Our senior hurling trophy is named after Dan Breen and I hope nobodies gonna come along and try change the name because it's too republican
Quote from: tippabu on January 31, 2018, 10:56:55 AM
Our senior hurling trophy is named after Dan Breen and I hope nobodies gonna come along and try change the name because it's too republican
I think Tipp is fairly well established in that area. Sean Treacy's club as well. Our Pitch in Newport is called after Paddy Ryan (Lacken). Add in Kilruane McDonagh's and McDonagh Park in Nenagh and it's coming down with old republicans :) And don't forget the entire panel and Timmy Floyd (county sec.) singing the Galtee Mountain Boy in the dressing room after the hurling All Ireland in 2016.