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Good man Dinny!

That was a great effort.

Yep, population, and club membership is a huge advantage. Everyone seems to want to live in Dublin. A huge amount of those Kilmacud members are country people who've moved in. When my team plays Kilmacud, all you can hear is country accents of various hues from their supporters.

And the standard of Dublin club football means that the strong lads out of minor get amazing experience straight away, and sets them up, if they're good enough, to progression to senior intercounty.

Then you have geography of none of the Dubs players having any distance of note to travel for training.

Games development funding completely irrelevant to the Dubs senior team. Likes it's irrelvant to the senior hurling team and to the U20s and minor teams.

Actually amazing how many of the Dubs senior team have father's who played senior football. Yet people seem to think it was games development coaches in primary schools that introduced these lads to football. Bizarre.

Time after time it gets pointed out to you but you just stick your fingers in your ears!

The games development funding plays a vital role in producing and identifying talent but it's just the first step in the financial doping scandal. These professional coaches go into schools, coach kids the basics at a young age and encourage them to join the local club. In the clubs they coach the coaches and take sessions themselves but one of their key roles is identifying talent and reporting their findings to the various regional of hurling development officers who get these players into the development squads and the elite player program.
The money Dublin GAA save by having the professional coaches paid for is freed up to invest in these development squads and elsewhere. The coaches, football, strength and conditioning and elsewhere, the sports scientists, nutritionists etc involved in developing talent in Dublin are second to none and they don't come cheap. The results from this elite player pathway are there for all to see. It's a system that has been up and running since 2001. They have highly paid officials including a strategic program manager overseeing all of this.
The underage teams have big backroom teams but of course, these are eclipsed by the much publicised senior backroom teams. Again, these don't come cheap and again, having nearly 100 professional coaches paid for makes it easier to afford. What also helps is the huge sponsorship money Dublin receive. This has increased hugely off the back of the success that has come about off the back of Dublin GAA being handed millions.
The financial doping is a multi-layered process but it's all connected. In an amateur sport where you can't buy players and have to progress with what you have, a multi million euro player creation system is a massive advantage. That's an understatement. When you add this to multi million euro senior team preparations, you can see why Dublin have dominated senior football and why Dublin should be absolutely embarrassed by the hurlers' failure to reach close to their levels.
The bottom line is that the buying of success does not only go against the ethos of the GAA but it is blatant cheating. And it must be stopped. We're getting closer to the day that will come thankfully.

Just providing some facts and figures for your viewing pleasure.

A lot of the players that will line out at on Saturday would have been underage in 2007, that year:
Dublin received 1,603,903 in games development funding.
Mayo received 7,475.

2008
Dublin - 1,637,380
Mayo - 25,900.

2009
Dublin - 1,638,000
Mayo - 45,500.

2010
Dublin - 1,588,000
Mayo - 43,500.

2011
Dublin - 1,371,333
Mayo - 42,000

2012
Dublin - 1,509,631
Mayo - 35,920

I think you get the picture.

How much did mayo get from connacht gaa and Dublin from Leinster?

I don't know what Mayo got. Here's what Dublin got from Leinster GAA:

2006 - 360,006
2007 - 245,000
2008 - 245,000
2009 - 245,000
2010 - 245,000
2011 - 222,761
2012 - 241,050
2013 - 241,050
2014 - 241,050
2015 - 241,050
2016 - 241,045
2017 - 239,700
2018 - 239,700

So the greedy, thieving b**tards took money off the Leinster council as well. Let's not forget that this is just the ground level of the doping. It plays a key part in the whole system of developing players but after that, there are many more layers that stretch all the way to their senior teams.

So all during the time during the noughties that Tyrone were handing Pillar's team their asses on a plate the Dubs were skimming a cool 2 million a year from the GAA and have been every year since while other counties get a pittance?    A national disgrace.

From the GAA and everybody else!! sc**bag Bertie Ahern was dipping his hands into taxpayers pockets to fund them. It started in 2001. Have a read:

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/gaa-football/3191859/bertie-ahern-government-grants-saved-dublin-gaa/

Just providing some facts and figures for your viewing pleasure.

A lot of the players that will line out at on Saturday would have been underage in 2007, that year:
Dublin received 1,603,903 in games development funding.
Mayo received 7,475.

2008
Dublin - 1,637,380
Mayo - 25,900.

2009
Dublin - 1,638,000
Mayo - 45,500.

2010
Dublin - 1,588,000
Mayo - 43,500.

2011
Dublin - 1,371,333
Mayo - 42,000

2012
Dublin - 1,509,631
Mayo - 35,920

I think you get the picture.

How much did mayo get from connacht gaa and Dublin from Leinster?

I don't know what Mayo got. Here's what Dublin got from Leinster GAA:

2006 - 360,006
2007 - 245,000
2008 - 245,000
2009 - 245,000
2010 - 245,000
2011 - 222,761
2012 - 241,050
2013 - 241,050
2014 - 241,050
2015 - 241,050
2016 - 241,045
2017 - 239,700
2018 - 239,700

So the greedy, thieving bastards took money off the Leinster council as well. Let's not forget that this is just the ground level of the doping. It plays a key part in the whole system of developing players but after that, there are many more layers that stretch all the way to their senior teams.

Just providing some facts and figures for your viewing pleasure.

A lot of the players that will line out at on Saturday would have been underage in 2007, that year:
Dublin received 1,603,903 in games development funding.
Mayo received 7,475.

2008
Dublin - 1,637,380
Mayo - 25,900.

2009
Dublin - 1,638,000
Mayo - 45,500.

2010
Dublin - 1,588,000
Mayo - 43,500.

2011
Dublin - 1,371,333
Mayo - 42,000

2012
Dublin - 1,509,631
Mayo - 35,920

I think you get the picture.

Yeah they would also tell you they've not played any home ones either.
I can see the stadium being covered in flags this year and not just Palestine ones.

They have a history of talking complete sh1te, I agree.

And annoyingly singing soccer chants at matches..

Booing and jeering like a troop of monkeys as well. Probably scagging after a long night on the gear in fairness.

Yeah they would also tell you they've not played any home ones either.
I can see the stadium being covered in flags this year and not just Palestine ones.

They have a history of talking complete sh1te, I agree.

This will be Dublin's second away game in the championship since 2006. Both in Omagh.

Just for those gobshites who still get confused about this being about population.

Antrim:
2007 - 11,960
2008 - 11,960
2009 - 71,167
2010 - 97,689
2011 - 89,889
2012 - 97,666
2013 - 76,842
2014 - 47,400
2015 - 47,400
2016 - 164,400
2017 - 151,400

Cork
2007 - 89,700
2008 - 44,850
2009 - 80,000
2010 - 78,000
2011 - 78,000
2012 - 78,000
2013 - 95,737
2014 - 69,000
2015 - 74,000
2016 - 249,000
2017 - 249,000

Croke Park is Dublin's home pitch for their senior footballers. Cut out all the bullsh1t. Until a few years ago, they played every single championship game in Croke Park since 2006. It's a huge advantage, playing at home always is. They have their own dressing room, warm up at their own end and their supporters don't like to travel. They've had pathetic crowds at their championship games in neutral venues over the past few years.
The amazing thing is that this farce of playing at home so often is not even close to being the biggest scandal when it comes to Dublin GAA. We all know what that is. Let me give you a couple of figures to highlight this.

Games Development funding 2005:
Dublin - 1,351,185
Roscommon-?

Games Development 2006:
Dublin - 1,000,000
Roscommon - ?

Games Development funding 2007:
Dublin - 1,603,903
Roscommon - 8,970

Games Development funding 2008:
Dublin - 1,637,380
Roscommon - 9,470

Games Development funding 2009:
Dublin - 1,638,000
Roscommon - 48,000

Games Development funding 2010:
Dublin - 1,588,000
Roscommon - 46,500

Games Development funding 2011:
Dublin - 1,371,333
Roscommon - 48,000

Games Development funding 2012:
Dublin - 1,588,001
Roscommon - 47,500

Games Development funding 2013:
Dublin - 1,509,631
Roscommon - 45,280

Games Development funding 2014:
Dublin - 1,460,400
Roscommon - 41,000

Games Development funding 2015:
Dublin - 1,460,400
Roscommon - 41,000

Games Development funding 2016:
Dublin - 1,463,400
Roscommon - 144,748

Games Development funding 2017:
Dublin - 1,303,630
Roscommon -  146,425

That super 8's were brought in simply because attendances were dropping.

Yes and he was making an additional point that it was to get more competitive games for Dublin to draw in the crowds...

He said Dublin are destroying our games which isnt really true, but they are destroying the blue ribbon competition.

I don't see where he is saying it was brought in to get Dublin more competitive games and it wasn't brought in for that either.

Of course there's an issue with Dublin's dominance but the super 8's was brought in because people were dissatisfied with the old competitive format and after consulatation this was the proposal that was put to counties. That's the simple realtity and if anyone thinks the GAA top brass want Dublin waltzing to All Ireland after All Ireland they are not well.

It was brought in because attendances were falling and they wanted extra revenue! And the problem is not Dublin's dominance in senior football, it's Dublin's financial doping which has had a major effect at all grades and codes.

The elite 8's were brought in because attendances were falling off a cliff. It's as simple as that. It was a money making invention. It was miserable last year and hopefully it falls flat again this year. The Dublin president and others are actively clambering for 16 counties to get booted out of the championship. Tommy Murphy cup part 2 is their first plan, soon it will be complete separation and not just of 16 teams. They will not tackle the real problem, that being the doping Dubs.
By the way, all these problems have been spoken about by some of us for years. The Dublin domination and what it would lead to was predicted almost a decade ago. Back then no one took it serious, I'm delighted to see that has changed now but it's important that we push on it. Get onto our county boards etc. We can't let them wreck our games anymore.

Simply not true but carry on.

What's not true?

The elite 8's were brought in because attendances were falling off a cliff. It's as simple as that. It was a money making invention. It was miserable last year and hopefully it falls flat again this year. The Dublin president and others are actively clambering for 16 counties to get booted out of the championship. Tommy Murphy cup part 2 is their first plan, soon it will be complete separation and not just of 16 teams. They will not tackle the real problem, that being the doping Dubs.
By the way, all these problems have been spoken about by some of us for years. The Dublin domination and what it would lead to was predicted almost a decade ago. Back then no one took it serious, I'm delighted to see that has changed now but it's important that we push on it. Get onto our county boards etc. We can't let them wreck our games anymore.

Those 4 were at neutral venues.
Last proper away game in the Championship was v Longford back in 06.

They played Tyrone in Omagh last year. Not the Leinster championship though. As for the neutral venues, weren't they originally supposed to be Dublin away games but moved for crowds? I would still count them as away games

So Tyrone was their 1 away game since 2006. You are very simple. Dublin have also only been bringing around 10,000 supporters to the Leinster championship games at neutral venues. Embarrasingly low.

How is it simple. They were drawn away. It's not their fault that the games were moved. They are still away games. As you say they have plenty of advantages so there is no need to twist other things to suit your agenda

I didn't say it is very simple, I said you are very simple and that post proves it. They are not away games, they've only had 1 away game since 2006. This is a fact.
Of course, the reason they never played away from Croke Park for a decade was financial related but also because Longford nearly beat them in 2006. There were millions being pumped into Dublin GAA, making them competitive was imperative, they wanted a return on the investment.

Those 4 were at neutral venues.
Last proper away game in the Championship was v Longford back in 06.

They played Tyrone in Omagh last year. Not the Leinster championship though. As for the neutral venues, weren't they originally supposed to be Dublin away games but moved for crowds? I would still count them as away games

So Tyrone was their 1 away game since 2006. You are very simple. Dublin have also only been bringing around 10,000 supporters to the Leinster championship games at neutral venues. Embarrasingly low.

Horan is already suffering from group think.

Not surprising really. Are they still reeling off the 'Croke Park is a neutral ground?' argument

What other county gets 4 home games in a row?

The list of advantages is incredible. You mention the home advantage. Dublin footballers have played 1 away game since 2006. 1!!! They tried moving the Dublin hurlers to Croke Park but the Dubs didn't bother going. Croke Park being their home ground, of course, they get their own dressing room and warm up at the same end etc.

More advantages:

Funding: Obviously, the 20+ million funding they've received from all of us. Gone over this plenty of times but this has funded coaches for the past 15 years and has been key in the whole system in transforming Dublin GAA.

Sponsorship: With the increased success has come a huge increase in sponsorship. AIG have provided millions but the list of sponsors is lengthy. O'Neills, AIB, subaru, gibson hotel, energise sports and ballygowan amongst others. They also have the gourmet food parlour which leads on to the next advantage.

Food: Meals are prepared and delivered to them, not just at senior level. This ensures proper nutrition, vital in this day and age. Of course, the players don't pay for this, all part of how lucrative it is for Dublin players......

Freebies: The free cars for a year is well known, less so is that they also have their insurance paid for. Appearance fees came up as a topic recently, some players earn 6,000 but the rest don't do too bad either. From being apart of a Dublin development squad upwards, the players or their parents barely have to put their hands in their pockets. Nearly everything is provided.

Facilities: These development squads have the best facilities available to them. For training, strength and conditioning etc but also the very latest in sports science. Honestly, some of the things they have available to them, you'll never have heard of it!

Travel: Of course, all these facilities and venues are practically on their doorstep. This is a huge advantage over every other county who have players scattered round the country and have huge travel expenses.

Backroom team: With all the resources available, Dublin's backroom teams are very impressive. Coaches for every area including lifestyle, top quality strength and conditioning coaches, nutritionists, yoga etc. One of the most vital additions for the senior footballers was Mark Ingle, the professional basketball coach. It's made a huge difference to how they play but basically, if a manager wants help in any area, the funds are available for him to buy in expertise.

The list just goes on. I posted the graph above that shows the huge increase in titles won across all levels and codes by Dublin teams. This list of advantages explain how this has happened. This is why it's been referred to as financial doping. It's obscene.