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Crap... Thursday night football

That is a sickening thing for Cork, it really is tough on teams, unfortunately those mistakes do happen, I've been on the end of those as a ref when the call or no call from the umpire results in controversy.

There's no play back and no immediate response as play continues.

In televised games if it's obvious, from an instant view on tv, then with ref's mic'd up he can be told to blow his whistle, walk very slowly towards his umpires, and a fourth or a fifth behind the scenes official has a look at the monitor.

He can rubber stamp the call and the right call is made.

People complaining about umpires size and sight, on occasions you are looking to see the ball go over the bar or if someone is stepping into the square or you blink and miss it.

The ref is only as good as the team around him! He'll carry the can for that one

Leaking that your sacking your manager 24 hours before a cup final is a maybe a good omen. Didn't Van Gaal win the cup a few years ago knowing he was getting the P45?

Banter club.

Should be some banter next season 

[including armed reistence]

Sure its ok to miss quote, you have littered the thread with it

Well if NI is not comparable I haven't seen you knock anyone on here with their use of NI as a comparison

It will, like all wars end up around a table, the sooner they get there the more mothers will be alive, sons will grow to be adults and men will be able to go out and provide for their families

That is unfortunately a lot to do with what the Israelis do going forward. The US, UK and others will eventually sway to public demand and call a stop on their support.

Too late for the thousands that have lost their lives and continue to do so. Armed resistance won't cut it, if another similar Hamas attack happened again in the future be rest assured the same thing will happen again, like it has done for 75 years   

I have knocked using comparisons and try and avoid them myself..  I think I might have even mentioned it yesterday when I mentioned the Warsaw ghetto (posted at 12.45 yesterday) and its not the first time I mentioned it..

there wasn't armed resistence for (all) that 75 years and the Palestinians are still being murdered without consequence.

we are going around in circles..

should palestinans use all legal avenues to get self determination, including armed reistence?

if not, are you saying they need to wait and accept whatever faith comes ther way until Uk/US/EU decides the stop supporting Israel and then Israel also decides to take a difference approach to the last 75 years?

to be clear the faith that has come there way sees daily murders, 2.2m caged in Gaza, starvation, apartheid in Israel, and the west bank. And little or no sign of any chance of self determination.

'including armed reistence' in reality what will that achieve, it like throwing rocks at a tank, or poking the bear with a stick to see if it will chase you..

From history of conflicts the invaded people generally come out on top, but they have usually put up more resistance because there has been a huge financial backer and provider of weapons, America Russia China lets say in Vietnam being an obvious recent war, that impasse and body count of American soldiers and protests back home eventually brought about negotiations to bringing that to an end, same in Afghanistan.

The Palestinians don't have that outside body to fund that, Iran won't get much more involved, as they have no one to back them either. Its got to come to some sort of talks, and a 2 state solution is the only way to have agreement. Israel at the minute won't entertain that, the current and past governments have/had no love for it either.

Current conditions are not healthy for it

Might not happen though for another 75 years! 

Oh, and I haven't said they shouldn't have armed resistance, I'm just saying its futile 

It's no more futile than sitting at a talks table with someone who has no interest in talking to you

Or who hasn't even turned up to the talks because they've no incentive to

They might as well throw rocks at the tanks

And there's another school of thought ref. the 6 county conflict, namely that the only thing that brought the British to the talks table in a serious way was a series of bombs in England

I think there's validity in that

If you think there is validity in blowing innocent people into smithereens grand, whatever floats your boat

They were setting off bombs in England during the 70's 80's and 90's over 30 years it didn't help or changed the mindset for a long time, if that was actually was the reason

What brought people to the table or behind close doors  there was no end game other than dialogue that and the republican movement was completely infiltrated by touts, and needed to go down the political process, which has brought about a SF minister, still under British rule but a lot further down the road than 50 years ago.

As php said there is no comparison though

Look anything is better than doing nothing internationally, but the big guns are still rowing in behind the Israelis, all I've said is that it will only stop when they talk, are the conditions there at the minute for that? no..

Marches and protests will obviously bring and keep attention/focus on the genocide, but the main governments, mainly the US as the rest will fall in behind them need to demand the talks

You know full well that's not what I meant

But you decided, pathetically, to go for the cheap point score anyway

Which I shouldn't be surprised about I suppose


You keep mentioning talks - but talks only work when both sides WANT to engage

For any negotiation to happen, in any setting, both sides need some sort of leverage

The Palestinians currently have none

When one side just wants to keep murdering your citizens and stealing your land - and can do so with total impunity, pray tell me what the fcuk the point would be of turning up to sit and talk about it

I stand by what I said - and it's generally recognised by many people a lot more qualified than either of us - the bombing in England was a crucial factor in making the British govt realise that talks were the only way - they had tried the military route and it got them nowhere

You are fond of the cheap shots also, so dry your eyes

I've said repeatedly that the the conditions are nowhere near right for talks, but talks will be the only way this conflict will have better ending.

What do Hamas want to bring to the table? They want a 2 state solution to be part of the PLO and be legitimised, that said they still ant to destroy Israel (and who can blame them) but that rhetoric isn't helpful either..

Talks 20 years ago should have been upheld and the Israelis kept in check on land grabbing and abuse to those living in Gaza, that's on those that set up those talks, it allowed Israel to do what it wanted.

I've no idea how any resolution will come about, to even go into talks, but that doesn't mean armed resistance is the other solution. It's not and won't, regardless of what you think happened over here, stop those feckers from doing what they are doing now 

My views on how this place, it was purely political in the end. I don't think bombings that spanned the 3 decades actually made a difference. If nearly taking out the Tory government in Brighton didn't work I fail to see how it was the main reason, that was in 84, Good Friday Agreement 98..

As you said though there are smarter people than us that good give many reasons. And look you can throw out cheap pot shots at me till the cows come home, you are a nobody person (like me) behind a screen, you've no impact on my life

[If he doesn't take a big job now, and Ipswich struggle next year, which is likely, He may never get an option of a big job again]

Would McKenna risk his reputation going to United or Chelsea at the moment with the state they are both in? Both are a poisoned chalice. 

He has done a brilliant job getting Ipswich successive promotions, and there would be little expectations of Ipswich in the PL next year, survival probably the height of it. 

If he had any sense, he should bide his time before going for the bigger job.  United are still going to be in some sort of disarray next season, and Ten Heg going is a matter 'when' rather than 'if' at this point. 

If he had sense he should let Ten Heg absorb and resolve some of the issues over the next few months (clear out players etc) rather than jump into a mess he has not created, and get trashed for it. 

If he doesn't take a big job now, and Ipswich struggle next year, which is likely, He may never get an option of a big job again. Expectations are prob low for both United and Chelsea now so you'd like to think he'll get 2 years without much agro given the starting point.
He could go to either and regardless of how they do, he will be financially in a different place. Even if they ditch him before the end of the contract.

Vincent Kompany just got relegated with Burnley and looks to be on his way to Bayern Munich now!

There will always be exceptions. And I'd say that is more to do with kompany's rep than his managerial achievements.
Look at Moyles. Can't see him getting another big job (top 5/6). While good managers can have huge impact, There are so many variables in that role(some outside your control) that a bit of bad luck could see you failing very quickly. I'd just rather, that if that happened, I was financially set up for life. 

This what happens when you don't do well!

Graham Potter is set to receive around £13million in compensation. Chelsea paid a Premier League record £22m to Brighton. In addition Potter has earned around £7m in salary during his brief spell in charge.

[including armed reistence]

Sure its ok to miss quote, you have littered the thread with it

Well if NI is not comparable I haven't seen you knock anyone on here with their use of NI as a comparison

It will, like all wars end up around a table, the sooner they get there the more mothers will be alive, sons will grow to be adults and men will be able to go out and provide for their families

That is unfortunately a lot to do with what the Israelis do going forward. The US, UK and others will eventually sway to public demand and call a stop on their support.

Too late for the thousands that have lost their lives and continue to do so. Armed resistance won't cut it, if another similar Hamas attack happened again in the future be rest assured the same thing will happen again, like it has done for 75 years   

I have knocked using comparisons and try and avoid them myself..  I think I might have even mentioned it yesterday when I mentioned the Warsaw ghetto (posted at 12.45 yesterday) and its not the first time I mentioned it..

there wasn't armed resistence for (all) that 75 years and the Palestinians are still being murdered without consequence.

we are going around in circles..

should palestinans use all legal avenues to get self determination, including armed reistence?

if not, are you saying they need to wait and accept whatever faith comes ther way until Uk/US/EU decides the stop supporting Israel and then Israel also decides to take a difference approach to the last 75 years?

to be clear the faith that has come there way sees daily murders, 2.2m caged in Gaza, starvation, apartheid in Israel, and the west bank. And little or no sign of any chance of self determination.

'including armed reistence' in reality what will that achieve, it like throwing rocks at a tank, or poking the bear with a stick to see if it will chase you..

From history of conflicts the invaded people generally come out on top, but they have usually put up more resistance because there has been a huge financial backer and provider of weapons, America Russia China lets say in Vietnam being an obvious recent war, that impasse and body count of American soldiers and protests back home eventually brought about negotiations to bringing that to an end, same in Afghanistan.

The Palestinians don't have that outside body to fund that, Iran won't get much more involved, as they have no one to back them either. Its got to come to some sort of talks, and a 2 state solution is the only way to have agreement. Israel at the minute won't entertain that, the current and past governments have/had no love for it either.

Current conditions are not healthy for it

Might not happen though for another 75 years! 

Oh, and I haven't said they shouldn't have armed resistance, I'm just saying its futile 

It's no more futile than sitting at a talks table with someone who has no interest in talking to you

Or who hasn't even turned up to the talks because they've no incentive to

They might as well throw rocks at the tanks

And there's another school of thought ref. the 6 county conflict, namely that the only thing that brought the British to the talks table in a serious way was a series of bombs in England

I think there's validity in that

If you think there is validity in blowing innocent people into smithereens grand, whatever floats your boat

They were setting off bombs in England during the 70's 80's and 90's over 30 years it didn't help or changed the mindset for a long time, if that was actually was the reason

What brought people to the table or behind close doors  there was no end game other than dialogue that and the republican movement was completely infiltrated by touts, and needed to go down the political process, which has brought about a SF minister, still under British rule but a lot further down the road than 50 years ago.

As php said there is no comparison though

Look anything is better than doing nothing internationally, but the big guns are still rowing in behind the Israelis, all I've said is that it will only stop when they talk, are the conditions there at the minute for that? no..

Marches and protests will obviously bring and keep attention/focus on the genocide, but the main governments, mainly the US as the rest will fall in behind them need to demand the talks

Who in their line of work will turn down a 200% pay rise or more to work for a bigger company?

If it doesn't work out then you'll get a big pay off and someone else will take you

Yes career and all that balloney but it will financially secure his family for life.... 

would it not be futile to just roll over and let Israel continue to do what it was doing.

the great march was peaceful - look at oslo and the settlement expansions since it,  were they futile?

The palestinans have the peaceful BDS movement, you can see how the US/UK have tried to prevent it, you actually mocked me for boycotting Israeli goods yourself and said

i know you are they type of guy and wave a flag maybe not use Israeli products but that won't stop non combatants from being obliterated

You're fond of mocking so, if you are going to give it you have to take it

[including armed reistence]

Sure its ok to miss quote, you have littered the thread with it

Well if NI is not comparable I haven't seen you knock anyone on here with their use of NI as a comparison

It will, like all wars end up around a table, the sooner they get there the more mothers will be alive, sons will grow to be adults and men will be able to go out and provide for their families

That is unfortunately a lot to do with what the Israelis do going forward. The US, UK and others will eventually sway to public demand and call a stop on their support.

Too late for the thousands that have lost their lives and continue to do so. Armed resistance won't cut it, if another similar Hamas attack happened again in the future be rest assured the same thing will happen again, like it has done for 75 years   

I have knocked using comparisons and try and avoid them myself..  I think I might have even mentioned it yesterday when I mentioned the Warsaw ghetto (posted at 12.45 yesterday) and its not the first time I mentioned it..

there wasn't armed resistence for (all) that 75 years and the Palestinians are still being murdered without consequence.

we are going around in circles..

should palestinans use all legal avenues to get self determination, including armed reistence?

if not, are you saying they need to wait and accept whatever faith comes ther way until Uk/US/EU decides the stop supporting Israel and then Israel also decides to take a difference approach to the last 75 years?

to be clear the faith that has come there way sees daily murders, 2.2m caged in Gaza, starvation, apartheid in Israel, and the west bank. And little or no sign of any chance of self determination.

'including armed reistence' in reality what will that achieve, it like throwing rocks at a tank, or poking the bear with a stick to see if it will chase you..

From history of conflicts the invaded people generally come out on top, but they have usually put up more resistance because there has been a huge financial backer and provider of weapons, America Russia China lets say in Vietnam being an obvious recent war, that impasse and body count of American soldiers and protests back home eventually brought about negotiations to bringing that to an end, same in Afghanistan.

The Palestinians don't have that outside body to fund that, Iran won't get much more involved, as they have no one to back them either. Its got to come to some sort of talks, and a 2 state solution is the only way to have agreement. Israel at the minute won't entertain that, the current and past governments have/had no love for it either.

Current conditions are not healthy for it

Might not happen though for another 75 years! 

Oh, and I haven't said they shouldn't have armed resistance, I'm just saying its futile 

Sure its ok to miss quote, you have littered the thread with it

Well if NI is not comparable I haven't seen you knock anyone on here with their use of NI as a comparison

It will, like all wars end up around a table, the sooner they get there the more mothers will be alive, sons will grow to be adults and men will be able to go out and provide for their families

That is unfortunately a lot to do with what the Israelis do going forward. The US, UK and others will eventually sway to public demand and call a stop on their support.

Too late for the thousands that have lost their lives and continue to do so. Armed resistance won't cut it, if another similar Hamas attack happened again in the future be rest assured the same thing will happen again, like it has done for 75 years   

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/artc-father-and-son-terrorists-admit-to-murder-and-rape-of-israeli-women-on-oct-7

Lovely individuals-very "heroic"

In his own words

"He shamelessly described raping a crying woman at gunpoint and leaving her without knowing her fate. Abdallah's confession revealed a more harrowing truth: his father killed the woman after multiple rapes by the terrorists, including himself and his cousin"

I am not saying that there are elements of Israelis who don't want to continue this war and obliterate the Palestinians, we also have dissidents here who'd love to continue the fight, using whatever means.

That won't get us where we want to be, that's why after over 30 years of recent violence (NI is 100 years and counting) and needless murders that they got round the table and thrashed it out.

If you remember not everyone got round the table, most notably the DUP!

You've got to find a way, php thinks it can be won through a war. And I'm the deluded one!

 

Milltown this reminded of your arguments early a little bit

https://x.com/abierkhatib/status/1793502017538949331?t=g_jx53To1wsQET9V3PlmnQ&s=19

None whatsoever has that anything to do with what I said. Again show me where I said that no international pressure will result in no help for the people surviving in Gaza?

You are the master of spin. Like I said you'd be a good spokesperson for the IDF

You read something then assume something and then come on and spew some crap!

I'll be clear again, no conflict will be resolved in Gaza without sitting round a table, I can't help you understand that. Not one death is worth it. If you want something closer to home look at the troubles, I'm 52 years old and we still are under British rule while our political parties on the national side sit side by side with the unionists.

Throwing rocks at tanks won't bring about change, this 75 years of loss suffered by the Palestinian people is horrendous, if the current genocide attempt continues there won't be a country/people to go back to.

So these countries that are standing up to Israel are going to put political pressure on them, they are doing exactly what I said needs done, dialogue. Thanks for highlighting that.

The Israeli ambassador said doing what Ireland did does nothing to help Palestinians which is 'a little bit' like your patronising me for waving flags and boycotting, "but that won't stop non combatants from being obliterated".

what fantasy world do you live in where Israel sits round a table to end conflict in Gaza/palestine. What in 75 years of occupation, has indicated a willingness to do that, the Israelis outright saying there will be no two state solution, where the uk/us/germans etc. arm them while they commit a genocide and starve the palestines.. I cannot help you understand that!!!

was it the nakba, the osla accords, camp david, the increasing land grabs and settlements the 'mowing of the lawn' every few years, or the outcome of the peaceful great march that makes you think Israeli wants a lasting and just peace.

dialogue, the Israelis have recalled their ambassadors. they don't do dialogue. We have recognoised Palestine state something most of the world already does, its the close to the minimum we should do, and should have been done decades ago.

your solution is for Palestinians to act like good little prisoners some more and then Israel will start a dialogue at some point... deluded.

you keep asking me to show you where you said something, but suggesting what you are suggesting leaves the current reality for Palestinians which  is more occupation, more settlements, more apartheid, more death, more suffering.

If you are going to quote me do it, but quote what I said, not what you think I mean.

Do you think taking Israel on with weapons will work?

What's the end game here for Palestine?

Milltown this reminded of your arguments early a little bit

https://x.com/abierkhatib/status/1793502017538949331?t=g_jx53To1wsQET9V3PlmnQ&s=19

None whatsoever has that anything to do with what I said. Again show me where I said that no international pressure will result in no help for the people surviving in Gaza?

You are the master of spin. Like I said you'd be a good spokesperson for the IDF

You read something then assume something and then come on and spew some crap!

I'll be clear again, no conflict will be resolved in Gaza without sitting round a table, I can't help you understand that. Not one death is worth it. If you want something closer to home look at the troubles, I'm 52 years old and we still are under British rule while our political parties on the national side sit side by side with the unionists.

Throwing rocks at tanks won't bring about change, this 75 years of loss suffered by the Palestinian people is horrendous, if the current genocide attempt continues there won't be a country/people to go back to.

So these countries that are standing up to Israel are going to put political pressure on them, they are doing exactly what I said needs done, dialogue. Thanks for highlighting that.

[happy]

So that's a no? I didn't say I'm happy for them to die.. Phew, is that a normal tactic for you?

Throwing rocks at tanks won't stop children dying, mothers raped or fathers being locked up for 30 years. It won't stop the tensions in the West Bank and further afield. Escalation will have an affect on all of us

Now you can support resistance all you want from over 5,500KMs away but unless its resolved through talk then it will continue. If you have any sense you'll know that it's the only way to stop this.

Its barbaric from the Israeli troops and government plus the US among others that have supported this. If it is paused without meaningful negation then this will continue and the geocide will be complete, that will help no one.

your opinion that they shouldn't use all efforts including armed resistence to end the occupation means (without you saying it) that you are happy/accepting of the status quo ( as every other effort (not armed resistence) has not ended the occupation) and the occupation is murdering daily Palestinians.

every bit of my sense says you want to limit what Palestinians do to get self determination. I dont. My preference is peaceful but its 75 years and throughout history armed resistence has led to the end of occupations (I acknowledge it also involves sitting down at a table after)

Without me saying it, I've never said it, doesn't stop you spinning it! Also I'm not accepting the status quo by saying they need to sit around the table!

But the current method isn't working

So that's a no? I didn't say I'm happy for them to die.. Phew, is that a normal tactic for you?

Throwing rocks at tanks won't stop children dying, mothers raped or fathers being locked up for 30 years. It won't stop the tensions in the West Bank and further afield. Escalation will have an affect on all of us

Now you can support resistance all you want from over 5,500KMs away but unless its resolved through talk then it will continue. If you have any sense you'll know that it's the only way to stop this.

Its barbaric from the Israeli troops and government plus the US among others that have supported this. If it is paused without meaningful negation then this will continue and the geocide will be complete, that will help no one.