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Ballinderry are a more seasoned team than Clonoe and have experience in Ulster. Clonoe don't. That counts for a lot. Plus, they have home advantage and an extra week rest.

Someone said Conor Gormley was the problem for Carmen. They were right. He was. The role he played was strange, almost like a quarter back. You couldn't really call him a sweeper as he didn't protect his full back line who were exposed on occasions. Clonoe had their homework don as they knew he would be spare. They hit high and diagonal balls into their inside men, bypassing Gormley. Plus, they marked him on Carmen kickouts.

I thought Carmen were niave and should have marked Colm Doris on Clonoe kickouts as they usually target him and whilst Loughran at 7 was one of their best players, Dorsi was effective aerially. Carmen struggled generally at midfield and i felt they needed Gormley there rather than a sweeper.

In terms of possible County material, McNulty is obviously a contender but he needs to add workrate and awareness to his game. Colm Doris and Stephen McNulty are also good enough but age is a factor. PJ Lavery another; he was very influential coming from deep

I thought Ryan O'Neill no10 also had a massive game for clonoe. Great fielder good distribution and a serious burst of pace

Clonoe have some middle diamond with mcnulty CHB, hagan and O'Neill mf and Dorris hf. Great options for kickouts They then have the choice of high or low into the 2 front men. Credit also to their full back line, Donnelly was kept realatively quiet as well. Impressed with pj lavery, very comfortable going forward and some great interceptions. Great flick on from Dorris from the hop ball for third goal. Thought the lad who had the Carmen goal chance should have taken another solo and took it in closer. Some great catches taken by clonoe in their full back line in the dying minutes

It's now up on the tg4 website
Monaghan football final live
Tipp hurling final deferred

Im guessing that the lack of response from Clonoe folk today to my earlier question means that Collie Doris is suspended. I heard it first from a Coalisland man so I passed no remarks but it has surfaced a few times in Carmen today. It would be an awful shame for the lad.

Would be a big loss to clonoe if he is. He had a massive game on Sunday but was clear from early on he had serious issues with mchugh who was refereeing and was only going to be a matter of time before he got a second yellow. He should have been taken off before he was lined.

Hopefully he is avilable for Sunday as he is a top quality player and has the knack of hanging in the air when going up for a ball which is great to watch

In fairness to ciaran Mcloughhlin, the last time i remember the fixtures running anyway smoothly, i believe he was the one in charge of them at the time!
They have appointed a team of people to look at the fixtures issues and try and address some of them.
They have held a series of meetings with club players to try and tease out the major issues.
THE major one for everyone i think is not knowing from one week to the next what the fixtures are and when they are likely to play again (or have a free weekend)
the job of fixture planning is a difficult one, but the communication to clubs & players needs to be much much better.

This is the big one. If players knew in advance when the free weekends where they could make their plans around the games. I also think the fixtures committee should have a plan a plan b mapped out, eg if Tyrone are beat on Sunday there will be Round of games, if Tyrone win round of starred games.

It's very unfair on whoever wins on Sunday that they won't be able to enjoy/celebrate as the county board have left them in the situation that they have a 6 day turn around. I know the Ballinderry players were able to saviour their win on the Sunday night and Monday but won't be the case for Sundays winners

What games are being covered this Sunday

Looking forward to the Tyrone final on Sunday as we will be playing the winners the following Sunday in Ulster. I presume if it finishes a draw extra time will be played.

Looks like Clonoe are warm favourites, but surely Carrickmore will be hungry for this one, not having won it since 2005.

When was the last time a team won 3 in a row Tyrone senior C'ships?

It will have to be ET if its level at the end of normal time due to the Ulster Club being the next week. 

It was the same scenario in 2008 when Clonoe beat Dromore AET and had to play St Eunan's a week later.  In 2011 Dromore had to play Ballinderry a week after winning the county title, when they beat Clonoe in the final. 

I think Clonoe will win next week but it will be a mighty battle with Carmen who are a championship team but regardless of who wins its ludicrous the Tyrone CCC have put the winner in that position and its a massive advantage for Ballinderry.

The fixtures in Tyrone this year have been a complete mess.

People can criticise the county board for not having the leagues finished and I also believe its bizarre to hold up the reserve league and championship due to county football but I think they're in a difficult position when comes to the senior championship.

The clubs voted not to play games back in may and personally I'm not sure it's the right call. I think 2 rounds should be played earlier in the year and it would cut back on the rush now. The fixtures this year also weren't helped by the extended run in the national league and through the backdoor.

A better fixture list needs to be put in place though. The reserve championship and league should continue throughout the summer and be finished much earlier. Better communication also needs to be given allowing managers and players to know where they stand. The leagues could be started a few weeks earlier and one or 2 double rounds played to ensure the season finishes earlier.

I can criticise them for not playing the club championship over one wekend instead of two, so they could take as much money from the public as possible, to the deteriment of the clubs at a time when they knew they were fixed for time to play off the championship. Until you understand that playing a championship game in May/June is to the deteriment of 98% percent of the players and 100 % of the clubs you will never get it!!!! It means 50% (thats the numbers of clubs out of championship football early doors) of the clubs will loose their young players to the states etc and how that impacts negitively on player and club development

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Excellent post sums things up from club perspective very well

Any word if tg4 is showing the Tyrone final?

[When was the last time it was done in Derry?]

The last time was Carrickmore 77-79. They had a chance to emulate it but lost in a replay in 2006 to Errigal Ciaran. In my opinion that team never recovered from it. It was a massive disappointment as most of them had their medals but had grown up hearing about the 3 in a row teams.
When was the last time it was done in Derry?

Ballinderry '11/'12/'13
Bellaghy  '98/'99/'00
Ballinderry '80/'81/'82

Bellaghy also done in the 60s, not sure which years

Was Damian Cassidy part of the 3 in a row Bellaghy team?

Just getting round to reading the Tyrone herald this morning
Damian Cassidy said clonoe also have an u21 final coming up. Is that grade 2 as I'm assuming the Greencastle fianna game is grade 1?

Why would you assume that it was a grade 2 final?

We're are in the grade 1 final with 7 of the players in the senior panel u21. Healthy stuff

Great going for clonoe to be in that position and the envy of most other clubs. The only reason I thought coalisland was grade 1 is that they usually are grade 1 at minor level. Who do you's face in u21 final?

Just getting round to reading the Tyrone herald this morning
Damian Cassidy said clonoe also have an u21 final coming up. Is that grade 2 as I'm assuming the Greencastle fianna game is grade 1?

Completely unfair asking half the panel of each county finalist to play a game 24 hours before the county final. I'm sure panels are stretched enough as it is with injuries, suspensions picked up as the championship has been run off week on week.

reserve championship games go ahead this saturday AFAIK

All 3 divisions?

If anyone has the fixtures email post it up

Not sure about Dungannon as a venue. Atmosphere and all is good but the pitch is very small compared to the likes of Omagh.

Anyone have the fixtures for the week ahead? Any word of reserve championship?

Shane Coney has retired, from 2011 final Clonoe have lost 5 starting Defenders only one left is Aidan Brady!! Along with Colm Donnelly and a few other panel members!! Some achievement to be in a County Final with that drop off level.... for a small club.. about 220 members

What about Damian Burke is he injured?

Shane Coney has retired, from 2011 final Clonoe have lost 5 starting Defenders only one left is Aidan Brady!! Along with Colm Donnelly and a few other panel members!! Some achievement to be in a County Final with that drop off level.... for a small club.. about 220 members

Forgot about colm Donnelly, he was a handy player. You's had a couple of good minor teams lately which seem to be coming through. What age is mcnulty at full forward?

What about the fella coney who used to play half back for clonoe, has he retired?