Sinn Fein - Finished in the Republic

[his holiness nb]

Gweltyah, I like a good laugh as well as anyone, but lets not bullshit here.
You dish out insults to everyone in West Belfast and then hide under the veil of "humour".

Do you honestly beleive that people find it funny when you call the people of West Belfast, who you quite clearly have a strong dislike for, "think what your told, sheep".

You f**king nob (that statement is not meant as a joke by the way)

Twaddle ... and the mask slips.

The "mask" ??

I've always maintained that you were a f**king nob 

[Evil Genius]

Gweltyah, I like a good laugh as well as anyone, but lets not bullshit here.
You dish out insults to everyone in West Belfast and then hide under the veil of "humour".

Do you honestly beleive that people find it funny when you call the people of West Belfast, who you quite clearly have a strong dislike for, "think what your told, sheep".

You f**king nob (that statement is not meant as a joke by the way)

Twaddle ... and the mask slips.

The "mask" ??

I've always maintained that you were a f**king nob 

You may have been consistent in your personal abuse towards other posters. Similarly, you may be consistent in your defence of the integrity and character of the people of West Belfast.

However, you have not responded to my query as to whether you would find my labelling of the people of, say, North Antrim as "sheep-like" equally offensive.

Or do you only get offended when one particular group of your fellow Irish people is maligned? You know, "sauce for the goose" and all that. 

[GweylTah]

If we learn the lessons of the 2007 General Election, we will do so again. We will confound our critics, re-organise our party and return again to the task set for us many generations ago, the establishment of an independent, democratic, socialist republic in Ireland.

• Justin Moran is a member of Sinn Féin in Dublin's South West Inner City and is a former Chairperson of Dublin Sinn Féin

This is completely and utterly detached from reality - no wonder they are rejected in the Republic and treated like leppers by everyone else.  It's like the sort of language you used to hear from Militant, Hatton, Eric Heffer and the like in Liverpool.

If their voters in the North weren't so easily fooled into swallowing this guff - and the Unity 2016 and counting nonsense - they would surely do the same.

SF is an out-of-touch rabble in the South and a personality-led, pin a tricolour on a donkey cult in the North, as partitionist as could be.

[his holiness nb]

However, you have not responded to my query as to whether you would find my labelling of the people of, say, North Antrim as "sheep-like" equally offensive.

Or do you only get offended when one particular group of your fellow Irish people is maligned? You know, "sauce for the goose" and all that. 

I am not personally offended as I am not from West Belfast. I was merely pointing out how Gweltyah could insult the entire of West Belfast for democratically electing their representatives, purely because he himself doesnt like them.
I would say the same if he made similar comments re North Antrim people (and I do not like Paisley), but he is hardly going to do that now is he 

Speaking of "sauce for the goose" and all that, I note you felt the need to respond to my post rather than reply to Gweltyahs post insulting the entire voting population of West Belfast.
Kind of ironic 

[Evil Genius]

However, you have not responded to my query as to whether you would find my labelling of the people of, say, North Antrim as "sheep-like" equally offensive.

Or do you only get offended when one particular group of your fellow Irish people is maligned? You know, "sauce for the goose" and all that. 

I am not personally offended as I am not from West Belfast. I was merely pointing out how Gweltyah could insult the entire of West Belfast for democratically electing their representatives, purely because he himself doesnt like them.
I would say the same if he made similar comments re North Antrim people (and I do not like Paisley), but he is hardly going to do that now is he 

Speaking of "sauce for the goose" and all that, I note you felt the need to respond to my post rather than reply to Gweltyahs post insulting the entire voting population of West Belfast.
Kind of ironic 

No irony at all. I personally feel most voters in NI are sheep-like, especially those in Constituencies like North Antrim and West Belfast which have consistently displayed the same voting pattern for the last 20 years+

Therefore, I would not object singularly to you slagging off N.Antrim nor GweylTah doing likewise for W.Belfast.

The fact is, I cannot see any problem in anyone indulging in mild banter/investive of that nature - it's an Internet Message Board, ffs, hardly a place for people who get offended over something and nothing.

(Though on reflection, perhaps an apology to the Ovine population of NI might be in order... )

[his holiness nb]

Again here we go, insulting the Nationalist population in West Belfast can be dismissed as "mild banter".
Telling an entire population of an area that they "think what they are told" is ok in your view.
You cant insult people then if anyone complains tell them it was a joke, or said tongue in cheek.

Voting patterns arent a factor, just because they vote for the same people consistantly doesnt mean they were told to.

Funny how you leapt to the conclusion that I wouldnt remark if this were said about the North Antrim folk.
What made you suggest that?

We arent as one sided as you might think, or I suggest as you are, which is obvious as you will even defend Gwelyah!

[Evil Genius]

Again here we go, insulting the Nationalist population in West Belfast can be dismissed as "mild banter".
Telling an entire population of an area that they "think what they are told" is ok in your view.
You cant insult people then if anyone complains tell them it was a joke, or said tongue in cheek.

Voting patterns arent a factor, just because they vote for the same people consistantly doesnt mean they were told to.

Funny how you leapt to the conclusion that I wouldnt remark if this were said about the North Antrim folk.
What made you suggest that?

We arent as one sided as you might think, or I suggest as you are, which is obvious as you will even defend Gwelyah!

Oh ffs! I happen to believe, based on the evidence of every Election I can ever remember, that the people of NI are more "sheep-like" than most other places, since if you were to pin a Tricolour/Union Jack (delete as appropriate) on a Donkey, half of them would vote for it - if for no other reason than to keep the other donkey out!

I'll be buggered if I'm going to apologise for thinking that, or expressing it as my opinion on a Message Board. And if you can't live with that, then tough - there's a whole sight worse expressed every single day, including on this very Board.

As for my defending GweylTah for a remark about West Belfast: this thread is related to Sinn Fein, so it's hardly exceptional that someone should express a (mild) comment about the West Belfast Constituency of the Sinn Fein leader.

If the topic in question were the DUP, and GweylTah/anyone had compared Paisley's constituents to sheep, I wouldn't have passed the slightest remark (other, perhaps, than to agree).

Anyhow, having allowed myself to be sidetracked temporarily, I have actually posted a couple of times on the subject of this thread - namely SF's prospects in the Republic. Do you have any response to those posts, or are you too busy going out of your way to be offended on behalf of people who are quite capable of speaking up for themselves?

[his holiness nb]

Thats about 3 times you suggested I was offended.
I have already said this, please pay attention.
I AM NOT OFFENDED BY THIS, how could I be as I am not from West Belfast?

My whole point is that Gweltyah was being a p***k with that comment.
Thats all!

Regarding the topic of discussion, I havent commented as its a stupid argument.
SF are not finished in the Republic. They will be around for years to come, as a small minority party yes, but when were they last anything else 

I really dont see the need to go into any more detail on this, its that simple.


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