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Different men approach things differently - its about getting the balance right about responsibilities, a single voice that people can listen to, understand and ultimately respect.
Depending on how realistic the changes of success are for each team, more 1-2-1 coaching might be needed, involving other 'coaches'
Some of the university teams have management teams of up on 10 people.

Mickey Harte doesn't go beyond a few trusted people.

the days of one man looking after both the coaching and management are long gone

[O'Neill]

Two great semi-finals over the weekend. How far behind are we? Two really bad years football for Tyrone...what next?

In terms of footballing ability we aren't that far behind but a massive change in attitude is required.
Another season of going through the motions would be unacceptable and if that means dropping guys from the panel like McGeary, Burns, O'Neill and Sludden who all seem content with 1 All-Ireland then so be it.

As in Michael O'Neill is going through the motions? Not sure what you are watching there. Correct on the other three.

Perhaps not going through the motions, but just is not up to the standard required at the top level, which is perhaps is the managements fault for constantly playing him. Not sure what he adds

He would be involved in those turnovers where Tyrone swarm an attacker and force them to over carry.

Likes a good aul roar in the opponents face too.

And therin lies the problem

Not at the standard? He was 6 all year when Tyrone won the All Ireland. We're from a county that aren't exactly short on good footballers either so it isn't as if he didn't warrant his place there. 

Appreciate he didn't have a good game against Kerry. They seemed to deliberately let him carry possession and he gave it away often. But I'd argue management should have rotated things to get, for example, Matty Donnelly or Petey Harte in to MO'N's role instead when they seen who Kerry were tagging. 

There will be a rush to say "those guys aren't good enough anymore, bring in the U20's" but Tyrone aren't getting back to the top table again by throwing the baby out with the bath water and ditching players like Michael O'Neill.

Tyrone have the players - on the current panel, on the fringes and coming through the ranks - to compete in semi-finals and finals. No way that we would have beaten any of those 4 teams playing at the weekend.

Management team isn't right in my opinion - the last 2 years have yielded the worst performances by far and its hard to see what they are building up to.

Too many good men have left the panel...too many men on the panel under performing...feels like we have been going backwards rater than using our win to move us forward

Two great semi-finals over the weekend. How far behind are we? Two really bad years football for Tyrone...what next?

This has been a disastrous 2 years culminating with the performance at the weekend. I can't remember the last time we had 2 wins back to back - or 2 great performances back to back...someone will correct me on this but this is what it feels like.

Average performances follow bad ones and so it goes.

What has happened to McGeary? Why would so many players choose to leave an All-ireland winning team? 

Having 2 Canavans on the team will only benefit Tyrone when the other 13 are playing well - and together as a team. It all looks very disjointed...

2 good men on the management team no doubt about that - they just haven't been able to manage a winning Tyrone effectively for 2 years now.

Need a new set of hands on the wheel - who that might be, Im not sure but there would be any number of men willing to put their name forward - McGuinness, O'Rourke are big non-Tyrone names but there are Tyrone men that would see themselves as fit for purpose that have had success managing teams at other inter county levels...Mickey Donnelly... Other past players too...O'Neill and McGinley...

There are enough quality players in the county currently as well as those coming through that we should be completing better than we did on Saturday...the last 2 years have been poor. Time to shake things up a bit

I hope that big McGleenan gets a decent run out one of these days

It has and is being discussed at length on the Armagh v Derry Ulster Final thread.

Ah ok - I didn't see that - genuinely had only looked at the Derry page.

I'm surprised at the silence on the entire forum about the Nicola Gallagher story this week? I'm pretty sure that everyone has been kept well up to speed on what has been going on with the Derry Manager.******
(Know now that the conversation has been had over on the Armagh Derry page.)

The truth might be somewhere in the middle of it all but I'm yet to hear one good character reference for him - either from players, friends, pundits or people that have known him from his time in Fermanagh and Donegal...as a footballer or as a recruitment professional

DV is a scourge in this country - GAA men are venerated. DJ Carey recently and a load of other before him. They are not role models nor heroes.

They are flawed like us all.

Difficult position for the GAA - locally and nationally and yet again their comments are late and very tame - legal reasons as good a defence as they will need.

There should be an unequivocal position on domestic abuse from Dublin, Provincial, county and club level.

These victims are our daughters, sisters, friends, mothers, aunts - neighbours. Camogs, ladies footballers. whatever

There shouldn't be any hiding place for this kind of behaviour. period.

Innocent until proven guilty? A counter press release suggests that the PSNI / PPS couldn't pursue the case up here but doesn't cover Nicola's allegations about incidents in Clones, Sligo and Donegal.

That would be a Garda issue. Interesting to hear their views on this.

In truth, I'm less concerned about the Derry Manager.

Nicola has been a victim it would seem for 24 years - and I would be more concerned that she now gets the support, counselling and care that has been absent. She poured her heart out on Facebook - how desperate must things be for someone to resort to that?

I know how I would feel as a Tyrone fan if the accusations had been levelled at our manager...past, present or future.

Investigation should begin immediately.

In my opinion Rory Gallagher needs to not be viisble this sunday afternoon. Let him not be the centre of attention at one of our sports greatest fixtures - give him the time he needs to fully defend his reputation, sue for slander or whatever he is being advised to do.

Our code has been taken into disrepute and either the Ulster council or Dublin needs to sort that out before Sunday.

Kilpatrick had a great game - and mccurry. Great team performance...McGleenan some size of a man - he'll be making things awkward for a few opponents this year all being well. Hopefully they can maintain the run of form 

alright, alright

Yeah what a mess Tyrone have been in the last few years alright
All Ireland senior Final
All Ireland u20 final
All Ireland minor final

Just in the last 3 years

Most counties would describe that as a mess alright

If you have listened to the OTB podcast - and I'm not being a smartarze here - its pretty clear what the problem is with donegal.
Most county boards - esp Tyrone - lack ANY commercial acumen. A board made up of life-time committee men/woermn, retired teachers and public servants.
It was only a few years ago that players had to expose the lack of expenditure on the basics...peter donnelly left because he wasn't fully rewarded for his craft.
Check out with any of the players about how often they get their expenses paid on time - would be interested to hear the answers to that one.
Hard to know who as involved but it was the County board that shafted McAleer and rushe
Club Tyrone usually came good with the money, the fundraising initiatives etc...it would seem that the antics of the county board have worn them out at this stage.

your man Sam's comment below about winning all irelands isn't the point - its about commercialism and the county board are clueless.
You need the right man in the right job - not a 'real good committee man' or a f**king 'stalwart'

That's what Eamon Magee says on the podcast pretty much and that's what I am referring to - no ad hominem attacks, Im not talking about individuals Im talking about the system, structure and the processes

Listened to Eamonn McGee on  OTB podcast about the ongoing shenanigans within Dongel County Board - looks like a right mess and one that Tyrone were lucky to have avoided over the last number of years. More luck than design, in my humble opinion.
McGee talks about the pressure of commercialisation and how county boards of today need to be more commercially literate and the important of having the right people in the right seats.
maybe it could have been tyrone in this mess instead of Donegal? Outside of Dublin Im not sure many counties have the right model in place

Can u explain what u mean in more detail please Stan.

Listened to Eamonn McGee on  OTB podcast about the ongoing shenanigans within Dongel County Board - looks like a right mess and one that Tyrone were lucky to have avoided over the last number of years. More luck than design, in my humble opinion.
McGee talks about the pressure of commercialisation and how county boards of today need to be more commercially literate and the important of having the right people in the right seats.
maybe it could have been tyrone in this mess instead of Donegal? Outside of Dublin Im not sure many counties have the right model in place

is that better?

I seen a good few lads there, Niall Kelly, Peter Teague, Peter Óg McCartan, Lorcán Quinn, Conor Shields, the two Jones', Pádraig McNulty amongst others were there sitting behind the substitutes. David Mulgrew was there too wrapped up so assume he was injured today as was originally listed to start. I heard McShane was down with the flu.

Yeah, fair play to Mickey, Louth going very well.

Flu wasn't that bad. I seen a picture of at the six nations Saturday evening. Obviously Could well be out of favour  and rightly so. in my humble opinion

A serious amount of unwarranted criticism of some of the players - esp, Cathal McShane and Richard Donnelly. (IMHO)
Tyrone clearly haven't found their best 15, or at least are not prepared to show their hand as early as the 3rd week in January.
Let's work on the basis that they have a clear enough idea of the squad that will be doing their best to retain Div 1 status and thereafter the best team for Ulster and beyond - assuming injuries and return to form of other players etc..

Derry are showing early and well at county level and at club level - Gallagher has shown what a difference creating a team culture an make to a county that, for years has been unable to bring club success to the county.

Big year for the current management to show they are team builders in every sense of the word - will take a few more mckenna cups to integrate many of the young and up coming players...most likely a season too early for the Daly lads and might even be a lot of responsibility for the Canavans at such a young age...

Derry and Armagh have shown how long it takes to reshape playing style and create winning teams - and even then only Derry have silverware to prove it.

Our most recent All Ireland success disguises the period of transition that we find ourselves in - players coming back into (or out of) form are the easiest scapegoats...management ultimately need to find a playing formulae / style that suits the players at their disposal and the competition they face...I would be hoping for some proof in the NFL that the team building efforts are paying off.

When we were winning the MCKenna cup under Micky Harte, it wasn't t worth a shyte and when we loose a final, its all doom and gloom...too early to judge at this stage but early enough to be expecting progress over the League campaign

[Martin Sludden]

I see McConnell going for 2 positions...the old 'just in case' strategy...i thought the position was M Sluddens anyway as he was the vC?

Is the County Chairman role up for grabs. I see Eugene McConnell, Martin Sludden and Conor Sally are in for it. I'd like to see either the first 2 get it as they have put a lot into the committe side of things

Oh God

Eugene mc Connell couldn't run a bath

You watched him trying to to run a bath ?

That's another man down - a good few men have left the panel now for various reasons.
Hopefully the new men will slot in and step up at the same time