I thought Monaghan got some lovely scores today. Conor McManus's point that made it 0-3 apiece was as good a score as you'll see all year. Credit to Monaghan's defence who kept it really tight for the first 20 minutes. And in fairness to them, they never gave up in the second half despite the scoreline. Drew Wylie was a picture of determination all through, a warrior, and any team would love to have a player like that.
So I'd just like to say, all credit to the Monaghan team and their supporters, thanks for the game, and best of luck for next year.
Forgot to say also that I really enjoyed the first match between Donegal and Armagh. Both teams fought like lions, and it was good to see a genuine contest. We'd be very respectful of Donegal here in the capital, and certainly won't be taking anything for granted for the semi-final - Donegal could well be the first team this year to get within a single figure margin against Dublin.
Hope this comes back to bite you in the arse Sidney. Until then, enjoy it
Sidney, what do you make of the Leinster Championship?
I just hope a team wearing green win Sam this year.
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2014, 12:10:01 AM
Sidney, what do you make of the Leinster Championship?
It has a great tradition and I'd never denigrate it. People might say that it has become too easy for Dublin but that's certainly not how we'd see it. Each title is as meaningful to us as the last. You never get tired of the feeling. Kildare have made great strides in recent years and of course every match against Meath is always 50-50, that's why their our greatest rivals*.
I've great regard for the work being done in places like Wexford, Westmeath, Laois, Louth and Longford, too. Wexford reached an All-Ireland semi-final in the not too distant past while Westmeath, Laois and Louth won long-awaited Leinster titles, so arguably Leinster football is as strong as it's ever been. There are good footballers in every county, not just Dublin.
Sad to see what's happening in Offaly though. Gaelic football needs a strong Offaly, most of all so we can sing "Fourteen On and Fourteen Off" at their supporters**.
*We always have the height of respect for them, however.
**In a patronising manner.
And finally, do you think Croke Park is of an advantage to you as well as the Hill ticket distribution?
Ugh. Football is ruined.
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2014, 12:24:24 AM
And finally, do you think Croke Park is of an advantage to you as well as the Hill ticket distribution?
You could certainly argue that, but I suppose if you ask provincial teams themselves, they'll always say they love playing in Croke Park, and we're always glad to be their gracious hosts. Perhaps the best way of looking at it is that Croke Park brings out the best in visiting teams, and that way everybody wins.
And it's always nice for the supporters of those teams to get a day out up in the capital - otherwise they'd just have December the 8th as their sole day out in Dublin for the year.
Delete this thread and cop onto yourself. It's not long ago Dublin supporters would've given their arm off a Leinster title and those days will be here again soon
Quote from: heffo on August 10, 2014, 01:38:45 AM
Delete this thread and cop onto yourself. It's not long ago Dublin supporters would've given their arm off a Leinster title and those days will be here again soon
Is that a promise?
Quote from: heffo on August 10, 2014, 01:38:45 AM
Delete this thread and cop onto yourself. It's not long ago Dublin supporters would've given their arm off a Leinster title and those days will be here again soon
When?
Quote from: heffo on August 10, 2014, 01:38:45 AM
Delete this thread and cop onto yourself. It's not long ago Dublin supporters would've given their arm off a Leinster title and those days will be here again soon
I think the danger here is that Dublin players might log onto this forum, read this thread, and get so overconfident that Donegal end up blitzing them. Could this thread end up costing Dublin the All-Ireland? That's the very real danger, I guess. The INTERNET is serious business, after all. It's a high stakes game I'm playing.
Quote from: Sidney on August 10, 2014, 12:35:42 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2014, 12:24:24 AM
And finally, do you think Croke Park is of an advantage to you as well as the Hill ticket distribution?
You could certainly argue that, but I suppose if you ask provincial teams themselves, they'll always say they love playing in Croke Park, and we're always glad to be their gracious hosts. Perhaps the best way of looking at it is that Croke Park brings out the best in visiting teams, and that way everybody wins.
And it's always nice for the supporters of those teams to get a day out up in the capital - otherwise they'd just have December the 8th as their sole day out in Dublin for the year.
The only reason I go anywhere near Dublin is because Croke Park happens to be there. Otherwise I'd never set foot in the kip.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 10, 2014, 01:52:04 AM
The only reason I go anywhere near Dublin is because Croke Park happens to be there. Otherwise I'd never set foot in the kip.
Aw, diddums.
Sidney = dublin player
Quote from: larryin89 on August 10, 2014, 01:56:20 AM
Sidney = dublin player
Only when it comes to women*.
*Not tonight, though - I'm writing this from the comfort of my own home, rather than from outside the ladies jacks in Copper's. I reserve my trips to Copper's for the night of the All-Ireland final, these days.
In fairness, Sidney is so good at this that these could be actual Jim Gavin quotes. And I'd much prefer a bit of honesty than this plamasing nonsense.
That's some good stuff Sidney in the last few days!
Sid,that's Vicious
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on August 10, 2014, 03:27:25 AM
In fairness, Sidney is so good at this that these could be actual Jim Gavin quotes. And I'd much prefer a bit of honesty than this plamasing nonsense.
It's what his media management staff tell him to say.
Sidney, have Dublin invented a new magic formula on how to play the game and is it patented.
Quote from: Sidney on August 10, 2014, 01:50:53 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 10, 2014, 01:38:45 AM
Delete this thread and cop onto yourself. It's not long ago Dublin supporters would've given their arm off a Leinster title and those days will be here again soon
I think the danger here is that Dublin players might log onto this forum, read this thread, and get so overconfident that Donegal end up blitzing them. Could this thread end up costing Dublin the All-Ireland? That's the very real danger, I guess. The INTERNET is serious business, after all. It's a high stakes game I'm playing.
Why are you giving him oxygen. He's a WUM.
Sidney is only saying what every Dublin supporter thinks, fair play for your honesty sid :)
Quote from: Sidney on August 10, 2014, 12:21:03 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2014, 12:10:01 AM
Sidney, what do you make of the Leinster Championship?
It has a great tradition and I'd never denigrate it. People might say that it has become too easy for Dublin but that's certainly not how we'd see it. Each title is as meaningful to us as the last. You never get tired of the feeling. Kildare have made great strides in recent years and of course every match against Meath is always 50-50, that's why their our greatest rivals*.
I've great regard for the work being done in places like Wexford, Westmeath, Laois, Louth and Longford, too. Wexford reached an All-Ireland semi-final in the not too distant past while Westmeath, Laois and Louth won long-awaited Leinster titles, so arguably Leinster football is as strong as it's ever been. There are good footballers in every county, not just Dublin.
Sad to see what's happening in Offaly though. Gaelic football needs a strong Offaly, most of all so we can sing "Fourteen On and Fourteen Off" at their supporters**.
*We always have the height of respect for them, however.
**In a patronising manner.
Now that's patronising - Donn't know if it is more to Meath than it is to Louth?
I was listening to Padraic Lodge's radio commentary of the match yesterday, and he referred to "the rain falling quite heavily on the patrons of Hill 16".
I liked that reference, and would appeal to everybody to refer to Dublin supporter as "patrons" from now, much like happens at Augusta during the US Masters.
I'm sure he said pigeons. The pigeons of Hill 16.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2014, 11:21:25 AM
Quote from: Sidney on August 10, 2014, 01:50:53 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 10, 2014, 01:38:45 AM
Delete this thread and cop onto yourself. It's not long ago Dublin supporters would've given their arm off a Leinster title and those days will be here again soon
I think the danger here is that Dublin players might log onto this forum, read this thread, and get so overconfident that Donegal end up blitzing them. Could this thread end up costing Dublin the All-Ireland? That's the very real danger, I guess. The INTERNET is serious business, after all. It's a high stakes game I'm playing.
Why are you giving him oxygen. He's a WUM.
Of course he is, but he's funny. That's what makes the difference. Sidney isn't a troll - he's a GAA Johnathan Swift. More luck to you Sid.
Quote from: T Fearon on August 10, 2014, 08:14:41 AM
Sid,that's Vicious
Sid Vicious played bass while in Dublin we're more interested in the treble.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 10, 2014, 12:05:39 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2014, 11:21:25 AM
Quote from: Sidney on August 10, 2014, 01:50:53 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 10, 2014, 01:38:45 AM
Delete this thread and cop onto yourself. It's not long ago Dublin supporters would've given their arm off a Leinster title and those days will be here again soon
I think the danger here is that Dublin players might log onto this forum, read this thread, and get so overconfident that Donegal end up blitzing them. Could this thread end up costing Dublin the All-Ireland? That's the very real danger, I guess. The INTERNET is serious business, after all. It's a high stakes game I'm playing.
Why are you giving him oxygen. He's a WUM.
Of course he is, but he's funny. That's what makes the difference. Sidney isn't a troll - he's a GAA Johnathan Swift. More luck to you Sid.
If you want to see trolls at play, roll over to the Mayo v Kerry thread. Jesus. :(
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 10, 2014, 12:09:32 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 10, 2014, 12:05:39 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2014, 11:21:25 AM
Quote from: Sidney on August 10, 2014, 01:50:53 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 10, 2014, 01:38:45 AM
Delete this thread and cop onto yourself. It's not long ago Dublin supporters would've given their arm off a Leinster title and those days will be here again soon
I think the danger here is that Dublin players might log onto this forum, read this thread, and get so overconfident that Donegal end up blitzing them. Could this thread end up costing Dublin the All-Ireland? That's the very real danger, I guess. The INTERNET is serious business, after all. It's a high stakes game I'm playing.
Why are you giving him oxygen. He's a WUM.
Of course he is, but he's funny. That's what makes the difference. Sidney isn't a troll - he's a GAA Johnathan Swift. More luck to you Sid.
If you want to see trolls at play, roll over to the Mayo v Kerry thread. Jesus. :(
That'd be more 'béal bocht' than trolling would it not?
Good stuff Sidney. I'm looking forward to reading Canice Picklington's thoughts after the Kilkenny v Limerick game too.
Well done Monaghan. Dublin may not have been at their best, but it was a good competitive game, and that was nice to see, especially after last week.
I think the dubs are sitting pretty for this time of year. If they can cope with the hype this year. They should win a leinster.
f**k it i bite, Reckon the Dubs will win the all-ireland this year
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 12, 2015, 10:34:25 PM
f**k it i bite, Reckon the Dubs will win the all-ireland this year
There are
actually other teams competing?
Why do the tv cameras keep zooming in on that ugly bollix with the bohran?
Got an eye opener yesterday near the end of the game. Was watching in an Irish bar here in Seville with 4 other Dub mates. The 3 others were watching Man U.
For most of the game there was the usual friendly banter with me supporting Monaghan just for the Craic.
I kept coming out with the sure it's only the league and this tight game is exactly what yus needed.
But in the last five or ten minutes my mates showed exactly how important it was to them as they bared their teeth.
Having gone to quite a lot of Dubs games in the last few years as I live their with Dub kids, they really don't take well to teams putting it up to them.
What would you expect some may ask but I suppose this is what happens when you are used to playing in your own back garden every day with your own ball and used to teams rolling over after 20 mins and not laying a hand on you.
Kerry are the same. They used to love Tyrone and Donegal until we stopped paying homage and startef giving them a game.
Anyway that game will give Monaghan great hope now for the year ahead and will not fear the Dubs later in the year.
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 13, 2015, 10:48:07 AM
Kerry are the same. They used to love Tyrone and Donegal until we stopped paying homage and startef giving them a game.
(http://s.mlpforums.com/uploads/post_images/img-1387004-1-3523085437_4bbe1ed112.jpg)
Let's hope Cork can up their performance here and make the game somewhat competitive, because it's really boring so far.
Dublins biggest hurdle towards winning the AI is picking their best xv.
After that the next problem is leinster lacking real competition for Dublin.
Lastly should Dublin experience a tight game I still think they are lacking a bit on the sideline - Gavin is an honest individual but not in the same league as gilroy when it comes to tactics. Though Deegan greatly assists here.
All ireland should be a walk in the park for Dublin with maybe only Kerry able to give them a game.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 26, 2015, 05:51:58 PM
Dublins biggest hurdle towards winning the AI is picking their best xv.
After that the next problem is leinster lacking real competition for Dublin.
Lastly should Dublin experience a tight game I still think they are lacking a bit on the sideline - Gavin is an honest individual but not in the same league as gilroy when it comes to tactics. Though Deegan greatly assists here.
All ireland should be a walk in the park for Dublin with maybe only Kerry able to give them a game.
I remember hearing a lot of that kind of thing last year...
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 26, 2015, 05:51:58 PM
Dublins biggest hurdle towards winning the AI is picking their best xv.
After that the next problem is leinster lacking real competition for Dublin.
Lastly should Dublin experience a tight game I still think they are lacking a bit on the sideline - Gavin is an honest individual but not in the same league as gilroy when it comes to tactics. Though Deegan greatly assists here.
All ireland should be a walk in the park for Dublin with maybe only Kerry able to give them a game.
Blah de Blah! Will be a different story when they get out of Leinster and face teams who are looking to peak for their game against them. Don't get me wrong they are really good. But they can have a job done on them!
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 05:58:20 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 26, 2015, 05:51:58 PM
Dublins biggest hurdle towards winning the AI is picking their best xv.
After that the next problem is leinster lacking real competition for Dublin.
Lastly should Dublin experience a tight game I still think they are lacking a bit on the sideline - Gavin is an honest individual but not in the same league as gilroy when it comes to tactics. Though Deegan greatly assists here.
All ireland should be a walk in the park for Dublin with maybe only Kerry able to give them a game.
Blah de Blah! Will be a different story when they get out of Leinster and face teams who are looking to peak for their game against them. Don't get me wrong they are really good. But they can have a job done on them!
A hair dye job, perhaps? Blue hair with blond streaks running through it would look good this summer.
A disappointingly easy win. I now look forward to our first competitive match this year, on September 20th against Kerry.
Quote from: Sidney on April 26, 2015, 06:10:32 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 05:58:20 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 26, 2015, 05:51:58 PM
Dublins biggest hurdle towards winning the AI is picking their best xv.
After that the next problem is leinster lacking real competition for Dublin.
Lastly should Dublin experience a tight game I still think they are lacking a bit on the sideline - Gavin is an honest individual but not in the same league as gilroy when it comes to tactics. Though Deegan greatly assists here.
All ireland should be a walk in the park for Dublin with maybe only Kerry able to give them a game.
Blah de Blah! Will be a different story when they get out of Leinster and face teams who are looking to peak for their game against them. Don't get me wrong they are really good. But they can have a job done on them!
A hair dye job, perhaps? Blue hair with blond streaks running through it would look good this summer.
A disappointingly easy win. I now look forward to our first competitive match this year, on September 20th against Kerry.
That's the attitude! Keep thinking like that and you won't see Kerry, just like you did not see them last year!
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 06:15:14 PM
Quote from: Sidney on April 26, 2015, 06:10:32 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 05:58:20 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 26, 2015, 05:51:58 PM
Dublins biggest hurdle towards winning the AI is picking their best xv.
After that the next problem is leinster lacking real competition for Dublin.
Lastly should Dublin experience a tight game I still think they are lacking a bit on the sideline - Gavin is an honest individual but not in the same league as gilroy when it comes to tactics. Though Deegan greatly assists here.
All ireland should be a walk in the park for Dublin with maybe only Kerry able to give them a game.
Blah de Blah! Will be a different story when they get out of Leinster and face teams who are looking to peak for their game against them. Don't get me wrong they are really good. But they can have a job done on them!
A hair dye job, perhaps? Blue hair with blond streaks running through it would look good this summer.
A disappointingly easy win. I now look forward to our first competitive match this year, on September 20th against Kerry.
That's the attitude! Keep thinking like that and you won't see Kerry, just like you did not see them last year!
That's how much we have demoralised everybody else. You're hanging desperately on Kerry to win the All-Ireland. ;D
Quote from: Sidney on April 26, 2015, 06:24:39 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 06:15:14 PM
Quote from: Sidney on April 26, 2015, 06:10:32 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 05:58:20 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 26, 2015, 05:51:58 PM
Dublins biggest hurdle towards winning the AI is picking their best xv.
After that the next problem is leinster lacking real competition for Dublin.
Lastly should Dublin experience a tight game I still think they are lacking a bit on the sideline - Gavin is an honest individual but not in the same league as gilroy when it comes to tactics. Though Deegan greatly assists here.
All ireland should be a walk in the park for Dublin with maybe only Kerry able to give them a game.
Blah de Blah! Will be a different story when they get out of Leinster and face teams who are looking to peak for their game against them. Don't get me wrong they are really good. But they can have a job done on them!
A hair dye job, perhaps? Blue hair with blond streaks running through it would look good this summer.
A disappointingly easy win. I now look forward to our first competitive match this year, on September 20th against Kerry.
That's the attitude! Keep thinking like that and you won't see Kerry, just like you did not see them last year!
That's how much we have demoralised everybody else. You're hanging desperately on Kerry to win the All-Ireland. ;D
Dublin will lose to Roscommon in the Championship.
Quote from: Sidney on April 26, 2015, 06:24:39 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 06:15:14 PM
Quote from: Sidney on April 26, 2015, 06:10:32 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 05:58:20 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 26, 2015, 05:51:58 PM
Dublins biggest hurdle towards winning the AI is picking their best xv.
After that the next problem is leinster lacking real competition for Dublin.
Lastly should Dublin experience a tight game I still think they are lacking a bit on the sideline - Gavin is an honest individual but not in the same league as gilroy when it comes to tactics. Though Deegan greatly assists here.
All ireland should be a walk in the park for Dublin with maybe only Kerry able to give them a game.
Blah de Blah! Will be a different story when they get out of Leinster and face teams who are looking to peak for their game against them. Don't get me wrong they are really good. But they can have a job done on them!
A hair dye job, perhaps? Blue hair with blond streaks running through it would look good this summer.
A disappointingly easy win. I now look forward to our first competitive match this year, on September 20th against Kerry.
That's the attitude! Keep thinking like that and you won't see Kerry, just like you did not see them last year!
That's how much we have demoralised everybody else. You're hanging desperately on Kerry to win the All-Ireland. ;D
Both Mayo and Donegal have done the business on you in recent years. There is no fear of the Dubs for both of these counties come Championship! ;)
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 06:29:12 PM
Quote from: Sidney on April 26, 2015, 06:24:39 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 06:15:14 PM
Quote from: Sidney on April 26, 2015, 06:10:32 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 05:58:20 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 26, 2015, 05:51:58 PM
Dublins biggest hurdle towards winning the AI is picking their best xv.
After that the next problem is leinster lacking real competition for Dublin.
Lastly should Dublin experience a tight game I still think they are lacking a bit on the sideline - Gavin is an honest individual but not in the same league as gilroy when it comes to tactics. Though Deegan greatly assists here.
All ireland should be a walk in the park for Dublin with maybe only Kerry able to give them a game.
Blah de Blah! Will be a different story when they get out of Leinster and face teams who are looking to peak for their game against them. Don't get me wrong they are really good. But they can have a job done on them!
A hair dye job, perhaps? Blue hair with blond streaks running through it would look good this summer.
A disappointingly easy win. I now look forward to our first competitive match this year, on September 20th against Kerry.
That's the attitude! Keep thinking like that and you won't see Kerry, just like you did not see them last year!
That's how much we have demoralised everybody else. You're hanging desperately on Kerry to win the All-Ireland. ;D
Both Mayo and Donegal have done the business on you in recent years. There is no fear of the Dubs for both of these counties come Championship! ;)
It's hard to do with a target on your back from the last time, though, Bunk. It might take another confident western team to do it again.. 8)
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 06:29:12 PM
Quote from: Sidney on April 26, 2015, 06:24:39 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 06:15:14 PM
Quote from: Sidney on April 26, 2015, 06:10:32 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 05:58:20 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 26, 2015, 05:51:58 PM
Dublins biggest hurdle towards winning the AI is picking their best xv.
After that the next problem is leinster lacking real competition for Dublin.
Lastly should Dublin experience a tight game I still think they are lacking a bit on the sideline - Gavin is an honest individual but not in the same league as gilroy when it comes to tactics. Though Deegan greatly assists here.
All ireland should be a walk in the park for Dublin with maybe only Kerry able to give them a game.
Blah de Blah! Will be a different story when they get out of Leinster and face teams who are looking to peak for their game against them. Don't get me wrong they are really good. But they can have a job done on them!
A hair dye job, perhaps? Blue hair with blond streaks running through it would look good this summer.
A disappointingly easy win. I now look forward to our first competitive match this year, on September 20th against Kerry.
That's the attitude! Keep thinking like that and you won't see Kerry, just like you did not see them last year!
That's how much we have demoralised everybody else. You're hanging desperately on Kerry to win the All-Ireland. ;D
Both Mayo and Donegal have done the business on you in recent years. There is no fear of the Dubs for both of these counties come Championship! ;)
Hopefully Mayo will at least give us a bit of match practice ahead of the first round of the championship proper against Kerry. I think it's unlikely we'll meet Donegal this year, but we'll wish them well in that unlikely event. Donegal people have lovely accents (apart from Martin McHugh), nicer than ours, but I guess you can't have everything.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on April 26, 2015, 05:53:24 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 26, 2015, 05:51:58 PM
Dublins biggest hurdle towards winning the AI is picking their best xv.
After that the next problem is leinster lacking real competition for Dublin.
Lastly should Dublin experience a tight game I still think they are lacking a bit on the sideline - Gavin is an honest individual but not in the same league as gilroy when it comes to tactics. Though Deegan greatly assists here.
All ireland should be a walk in the park for Dublin with maybe only Kerry able to give them a game.
I remember hearing a lot of that kind of thing last year...
Yes
And Dublin fecked up badly.
I would lay this failure on the management ( gilroy would have won it with that squad easily as his team weren't quite as talented) but I would expect management have learned a lot from last year and the young lads also!
Ok it's not quite a walk in the park but Kerry are the only realistic rivals with tyrone donegal mayo and especially cork if any of them hit form possibly eclipsing Dublin on their best day!
But irish people don't do well as favourites!
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 05:58:20 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 26, 2015, 05:51:58 PM
Dublins biggest hurdle towards winning the AI is picking their best xv.
After that the next problem is leinster lacking real competition for Dublin.
Lastly should Dublin experience a tight game I still think they are lacking a bit on the sideline - Gavin is an honest individual but not in the same league as gilroy when it comes to tactics. Though Deegan greatly assists here.
All ireland should be a walk in the park for Dublin with maybe only Kerry able to give them a game.
Blah de Blah! Will be a different story when they get out of Leinster and face teams who are looking to peak for their game against them. Don't get me wrong they are really good. But they can have a job done on them!
Yes but it would be a hit and run job on a given day. That Dublin squad have talent in depth !
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 26, 2015, 11:54:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 26, 2015, 05:58:20 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 26, 2015, 05:51:58 PM
Dublins biggest hurdle towards winning the AI is picking their best xv.
After that the next problem is leinster lacking real competition for Dublin.
Lastly should Dublin experience a tight game I still think they are lacking a bit on the sideline - Gavin is an honest individual but not in the same league as gilroy when it comes to tactics. Though Deegan greatly assists here.
All ireland should be a walk in the park for Dublin with maybe only Kerry able to give them a game.
Blah de Blah! Will be a different story when they get out of Leinster and face teams who are looking to peak for their game against them. Don't get me wrong they are really good. But they can have a job done on them!
Yes but it would be a hit and run job on a given day. That Dublin squad have talent in depth !
This Dublin squad is deep, make no mistake. Could you imagine debating the merits of Rene Descartes with any other inter-county panel? I don't think so.
Rene Descartes was a drunken fart: "I drink, therefore I am."
Quote from: Niall Quinn on April 27, 2015, 02:01:28 AM
Rene Descartes was a drunken fart: "I drink, therefore I am."
We have a lot of supporters like that. I don't find them to be very good philosophers though.
Longford doing a lot better against Dublin than the supposedly "top four" Monaghan team did in the All-Ireland quarterfinal last year. It just goes to show that Leinster has excellent strength in depth, and that Jim Gavin was right to take this game deadly seriously and not look beyond today. And I'd imagine he's still not looking beyond today. A lot of football to be played in this match yet.
Dublin some team lol
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 31, 2015, 05:09:57 PM
Dublin some team lol
Galway will be delighted with getting the replay.
Have we a chance here lads?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHiV2NRWIAAsYWV.jpg)
All on the day.
15 against 15
Anything could happen on the day. Just have to show more hunger.
And don't kick 25 wides.
1/33 is a bit of an insult to be fair.
(http://media.balls.ie/uploads/2014/11/granted.jpg)
there's maybe 4 teams in the country who wouldn't currently get a tanking by Dublin @ HQ. Play defensive and get ripped in, real blood and thunder stuff. Get the speedy boys on the ball during the counter. Hand out new motors with fuel cards players, it'll add an extra 4% to their game
Kildare think they're great lads when they beat counties with 2 and a half times less population than them. There not so good at picking on someone their own size or bigger in this case.
Bring back this man, and those odds wouldn't be long changing..
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF781/500984.jpg)
You need a Big Willie to take on the Dubs alright, they won't bend over as easily as Laois. *
* Too much?
Kildare bottle it when any pressure comes on, like the Leinster final of 03. I don't believe Kildare have won many Leinsters since then either. They always have a mess in their panse and kick wide after wide when they have a chance. :D
Your avatar Dinny, is that Johnny Doyle? Looks like his kicking style.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 15, 2015, 03:56:32 PM
Have we a chance here lads?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHiV2NRWIAAsYWV.jpg)
WTF?
Are those odds records in senior football, outside of the NY and KK footballers?
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I'd love to see that smirk wiped of Gavin's face.
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 15, 2015, 04:16:32 PM
Kildare bottle it when any pressure comes on, like the Leinster final of 03. I don't believe Kildare have won many Leinsters since then either. They always have a mess in their panse and kick wide after wide when they have a chance. :D
What is it now 10 years since you beat us in the Championship, and you won a final against 13 men well done Laois, Micko did well in fairness to get Alan Barry sent off. What is it the Dubs call you again, lemons!!
(http://www.fruitycuties.com/images/humour/097-cartoon-sour-bitter-fruit-joke.gif)
Gavin has an awful smarmy head on him tbf
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 15, 2015, 04:17:50 PM
Your avatar Dinny, is that Johnny Doyle? Looks like his kicking style.
It is, was programmed that style over in the Hitachi Innovation Centre just outside Tokyo.
I wonder is there as recognisable figure on any other team in that sort of cartoon drawing? Gooch I suppose with the red hair, and maybe Jamie Clarke with the curly afro.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 15, 2015, 04:21:13 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 15, 2015, 04:16:32 PM
Kildare bottle it when any pressure comes on, like the Leinster final of 03. I don't believe Kildare have won many Leinsters since then either. They always have a mess in their panse and kick wide after wide when they have a chance. :D
What is it now 10 years since you beat us in the Championship, and you won a final against 13 men well done Laois, Micko did well in fairness to get Alan Barry sent off. What is it the Dubs call you again, lemons!!
It's no surprise to see a West Dub robbing a line from their Eastern neighbours! Yes 10 years since we gave you a whipping and 12 years since we got the glorious Leinster championship victory, that's not the last time the white shorts had a brown stain on them though. It's a regular occurance for the Lilys.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 15, 2015, 04:25:18 PM
I wonder is there as recognisable figure on any other team in that sort of cartoon drawing? Gooch I suppose with the red hair, and maybe Jamie Clarke with the curly afro.
Willie Heff
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 15, 2015, 04:30:44 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 15, 2015, 04:25:18 PM
I wonder is there as recognisable figure on any other team in that sort of cartoon drawing? Gooch I suppose with the red hair, and maybe Jamie Clarke with the curly afro.
Willie Heff
A cult hero. He earned our grudging respect by going toe to toe with Clocker and Jimmy Grennan.
Quote from: J70 on June 15, 2015, 04:17:56 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 15, 2015, 03:56:32 PM
Have we a chance here lads?
WTF?
Are those odds records in senior football, outside of the NY and KK footballers?
Dublin were 1/200 against the Longford, so looked at that way the bookies are saying that Kildare's chances of beating Dublin are 6 times what Longford's chances were.
Currently Armagh are 1/50 against Wicklow while Tyrone are 1/25 against Limerick
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 15, 2015, 04:25:18 PM
I wonder is there as recognisable figure on any other team in that sort of cartoon drawing? Gooch I suppose with the red hair, and maybe Jamie Clarke with the curly afro.
There is, can't remember where I robbed it, the artist had a good few. I'll see if I can dig it out.
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Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 15, 2015, 04:16:32 PM
Kildare bottle it when any pressure comes on, like the Leinster final of 03. I don't believe Kildare have won many Leinsters since then either. They always have a mess in their panse and kick wide after wide when they have a chance. :D
What is it now 10 years since you beat us in the Championship, and you won a final against 13 men well done Laois, Micko did well in fairness to get Alan Barry sent off. What is it the Dubs call you again, lemons!!
It's no surprise to see a West Dub robbing a line from their Eastern neighbours! Yes 10 years since we gave you a whipping and 12 years since we got the glorious Leinster championship victory, that's not the last time the white shorts had a brown stain on them though. It's a regular occurance for the Lilys.
West Dub! ;D
The beautiful irony being that Leo Turley himself is now exiled in Leixlip.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 15, 2015, 04:34:07 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 15, 2015, 04:30:28 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 15, 2015, 04:21:13 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 15, 2015, 04:16:32 PM
Kildare bottle it when any pressure comes on, like the Leinster final of 03. I don't believe Kildare have won many Leinsters since then either. They always have a mess in their panse and kick wide after wide when they have a chance. :D
What is it now 10 years since you beat us in the Championship, and you won a final against 13 men well done Laois, Micko did well in fairness to get Alan Barry sent off. What is it the Dubs call you again, lemons!!
It's no surprise to see a West Dub robbing a line from their Eastern neighbours! Yes 10 years since we gave you a whipping and 12 years since we got the glorious Leinster championship victory, that's not the last time the white shorts had a brown stain on them though. It's a regular occurance for the Lilys.
West Dub! ;D
The beautiful irony being that Leo Turley himself is now exiled in Leixlip.
He's there to teach you how to kick points when the pressure comes on. No better man.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 15, 2015, 04:33:51 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 15, 2015, 04:25:18 PM
I wonder is there as recognisable figure on any other team in that sort of cartoon drawing? Gooch I suppose with the red hair, and maybe Jamie Clarke with the curly afro.
There is, can't remember where I robbed it, the artist had a good few. I'll see if I can dig it out.
This is the guy who does them, http://conordonnelly.com/ (http://conordonnelly.com/) - only a few on his website.
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 15, 2015, 04:21:13 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 15, 2015, 04:16:32 PM
Kildare bottle it when any pressure comes on, like the Leinster final of 03. I don't believe Kildare have won many Leinsters since then either. They always have a mess in their panse and kick wide after wide when they have a chance. :D
What is it now 10 years since you beat us in the Championship, and you won a final against 13 men well done Laois, Micko did well in fairness to get Alan Barry sent off. What is it the Dubs call you again, lemons!!
It's no surprise to see a West Dub robbing a line from their Eastern neighbours! Yes 10 years since we gave you a whipping and 12 years since we got the glorious Leinster championship victory, that's not the last time the white shorts had a brown stain on them though. It's a regular occurance for the Lilys.
West Dub! ;D
The beautiful irony being that Leo Turley himself is now exiled in Leixlip.
He's there to teach you how to kick points when the pressure comes on. No better man.
Certainly worked the oracle in the second half on Saturday.
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 15, 2015, 04:21:13 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 15, 2015, 04:16:32 PM
Kildare bottle it when any pressure comes on, like the Leinster final of 03. I don't believe Kildare have won many Leinsters since then either. They always have a mess in their panse and kick wide after wide when they have a chance. :D
What is it now 10 years since you beat us in the Championship, and you won a final against 13 men well done Laois, Micko did well in fairness to get Alan Barry sent off. What is it the Dubs call you again, lemons!!
It's no surprise to see a West Dub robbing a line from their Eastern neighbours! Yes 10 years since we gave you a whipping and 12 years since we got the glorious Leinster championship victory, that's not the last time the white shorts had a brown stain on them though. It's a regular occurance for the Lilys.
West Dub! ;D
The beautiful irony being that Leo Turley himself is now exiled in Leixlip.
He's there to teach you how to kick points when the pressure comes on. No better man.
Certainly worked the oracle in the second half on Saturday.
It did but it wont work against the Dubs, maybe if you had robbed Donie on us when Geezer was there you might have a chance. Or maybe Seanie will make a comeback. :D
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 15, 2015, 04:21:13 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 15, 2015, 04:16:32 PM
Kildare bottle it when any pressure comes on, like the Leinster final of 03. I don't believe Kildare have won many Leinsters since then either. They always have a mess in their panse and kick wide after wide when they have a chance. :D
What is it now 10 years since you beat us in the Championship, and you won a final against 13 men well done Laois, Micko did well in fairness to get Alan Barry sent off. What is it the Dubs call you again, lemons!!
It's no surprise to see a West Dub robbing a line from their Eastern neighbours! Yes 10 years since we gave you a whipping and 12 years since we got the glorious Leinster championship victory, that's not the last time the white shorts had a brown stain on them though. It's a regular occurance for the Lilys.
West Dub! ;D
The beautiful irony being that Leo Turley himself is now exiled in Leixlip.
He's there to teach you how to kick points when the pressure comes on. No better man.
Certainly worked the oracle in the second half on Saturday.
It did but it wont work against the Dubs, maybe if you had robbed Donie on us when Geezer was there you might have a chance. Or maybe Seanie will make a comeback. :D
We'll take Billy Sheehan if he's going?
He can bring his megaphone to drown out the Hill.
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 15, 2015, 04:21:13 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 15, 2015, 04:16:32 PM
Kildare bottle it when any pressure comes on, like the Leinster final of 03. I don't believe Kildare have won many Leinsters since then either. They always have a mess in their panse and kick wide after wide when they have a chance. :D
What is it now 10 years since you beat us in the Championship, and you won a final against 13 men well done Laois, Micko did well in fairness to get Alan Barry sent off. What is it the Dubs call you again, lemons!!
It's no surprise to see a West Dub robbing a line from their Eastern neighbours! Yes 10 years since we gave you a whipping and 12 years since we got the glorious Leinster championship victory, that's not the last time the white shorts had a brown stain on them though. It's a regular occurance for the Lilys.
West Dub! ;D
The beautiful irony being that Leo Turley himself is now exiled in Leixlip.
He's there to teach you how to kick points when the pressure comes on. No better man.
Certainly worked the oracle in the second half on Saturday.
It did but it wont work against the Dubs, maybe if you had robbed Donie on us when Geezer was there you might have a chance. Or maybe Seanie will make a comeback. :D
Sure Donie is from Carlow, not to mention the bold Billy 'Angry Man' Sheehan.
Beaten to it.
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Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 15, 2015, 04:34:07 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 15, 2015, 04:30:28 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 15, 2015, 04:21:13 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 15, 2015, 04:16:32 PM
Kildare bottle it when any pressure comes on, like the Leinster final of 03. I don't believe Kildare have won many Leinsters since then either. They always have a mess in their panse and kick wide after wide when they have a chance. :D
What is it now 10 years since you beat us in the Championship, and you won a final against 13 men well done Laois, Micko did well in fairness to get Alan Barry sent off. What is it the Dubs call you again, lemons!!
It's no surprise to see a West Dub robbing a line from their Eastern neighbours! Yes 10 years since we gave you a whipping and 12 years since we got the glorious Leinster championship victory, that's not the last time the white shorts had a brown stain on them though. It's a regular occurance for the Lilys.
West Dub! ;D
The beautiful irony being that Leo Turley himself is now exiled in Leixlip.
He's there to teach you how to kick points when the pressure comes on. No better man.
Certainly worked the oracle in the second half on Saturday.
It did but it wont work against the Dubs, maybe if you had robbed Donie on us when Geezer was there you might have a chance. Or maybe Seanie will make a comeback. :D
We'll take Billy Sheehan if he's going?
He can bring his megaphone to drown out the Hill.
Even Billy would be able to hit points under pressure better than a Kildare man and that's saying something. Kildare need some sort of new recruitment drive anyway, the long stretch since their last Leinster title is getting close to 20 years!!!! And them with over 200,000 people. :D
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 15, 2015, 04:21:13 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 15, 2015, 04:16:32 PM
Kildare bottle it when any pressure comes on, like the Leinster final of 03. I don't believe Kildare have won many Leinsters since then either. They always have a mess in their panse and kick wide after wide when they have a chance. :D
What is it now 10 years since you beat us in the Championship, and you won a final against 13 men well done Laois, Micko did well in fairness to get Alan Barry sent off. What is it the Dubs call you again, lemons!!
It's no surprise to see a West Dub robbing a line from their Eastern neighbours! Yes 10 years since we gave you a whipping and 12 years since we got the glorious Leinster championship victory, that's not the last time the white shorts had a brown stain on them though. It's a regular occurance for the Lilys.
West Dub! ;D
The beautiful irony being that Leo Turley himself is now exiled in Leixlip.
He's there to teach you how to kick points when the pressure comes on. No better man.
Certainly worked the oracle in the second half on Saturday.
It did but it wont work against the Dubs, maybe if you had robbed Donie on us when Geezer was there you might have a chance. Or maybe Seanie will make a comeback. :D
We'll take Billy Sheehan if he's going?
He can bring his megaphone to drown out the Hill.
Even Billy would be able to hit points under pressure better than a Kildare man and that's saying something. Kildare need some sort of new recruitment drive anyway, the long stretch since their last Leinster title is getting close to 20 years!!!! And them with over 200,000 people. :D
That's a lot of mouths to feed though and the Dubs have all the money, they might let us do a bucket collection outside their home ground Sunday week though. Pity and all that.
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 15, 2015, 04:21:13 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 15, 2015, 04:16:32 PM
Kildare bottle it when any pressure comes on, like the Leinster final of 03. I don't believe Kildare have won many Leinsters since then either. They always have a mess in their panse and kick wide after wide when they have a chance. :D
What is it now 10 years since you beat us in the Championship, and you won a final against 13 men well done Laois, Micko did well in fairness to get Alan Barry sent off. What is it the Dubs call you again, lemons!!
It's no surprise to see a West Dub robbing a line from their Eastern neighbours! Yes 10 years since we gave you a whipping and 12 years since we got the glorious Leinster championship victory, that's not the last time the white shorts had a brown stain on them though. It's a regular occurance for the Lilys.
West Dub! ;D
The beautiful irony being that Leo Turley himself is now exiled in Leixlip.
He's there to teach you how to kick points when the pressure comes on. No better man.
Certainly worked the oracle in the second half on Saturday.
It did but it wont work against the Dubs, maybe if you had robbed Donie on us when Geezer was there you might have a chance. Or maybe Seanie will make a comeback. :D
Sure Donie is from Carlow, not to mention the bold Billy 'Angry Man' Sheehan.
Beaten to it.
Donie is pure Laois. You lot were after an actual Carlow man in Brendan Murphy actually aswell. Geezer knew about the brown togs problem you lot have. :D
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 15, 2015, 04:53:56 PM
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 15, 2015, 04:21:13 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 15, 2015, 04:16:32 PM
Kildare bottle it when any pressure comes on, like the Leinster final of 03. I don't believe Kildare have won many Leinsters since then either. They always have a mess in their panse and kick wide after wide when they have a chance. :D
What is it now 10 years since you beat us in the Championship, and you won a final against 13 men well done Laois, Micko did well in fairness to get Alan Barry sent off. What is it the Dubs call you again, lemons!!
It's no surprise to see a West Dub robbing a line from their Eastern neighbours! Yes 10 years since we gave you a whipping and 12 years since we got the glorious Leinster championship victory, that's not the last time the white shorts had a brown stain on them though. It's a regular occurance for the Lilys.
West Dub! ;D
The beautiful irony being that Leo Turley himself is now exiled in Leixlip.
He's there to teach you how to kick points when the pressure comes on. No better man.
Certainly worked the oracle in the second half on Saturday.
It did but it wont work against the Dubs, maybe if you had robbed Donie on us when Geezer was there you might have a chance. Or maybe Seanie will make a comeback. :D
Sure Donie is from Carlow, not to mention the bold Billy 'Angry Man' Sheehan.
Beaten to it.
Donie is pure Laois. You lot were after an actual Carlow man in Brendan Murphy actually aswell. Geezer knew about the brown togs problem you lot have. :D
Sure Donie was born and raised in Westmeath, lived in Carlow and somehow ended up playing for Kileen, even though Barrowhouse were the nearest club. That boy knows his worth. As for Brendan Murphy another lula, did you not here he was trying to engineer a transfer to Donegal. Surprised Laois aren't trawling for more Dublin rejects like Shane Cooke though.
Brendan Murphy is only an inferior version of Garvan Ware.
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Kildare bottle it when any pressure comes on, like the Leinster final of 03. I don't believe Kildare have won many Leinsters since then either. They always have a mess in their panse and kick wide after wide when they have a chance. :D
What is it now 10 years since you beat us in the Championship, and you won a final against 13 men well done Laois, Micko did well in fairness to get Alan Barry sent off. What is it the Dubs call you again, lemons!!
It's no surprise to see a West Dub robbing a line from their Eastern neighbours! Yes 10 years since we gave you a whipping and 12 years since we got the glorious Leinster championship victory, that's not the last time the white shorts had a brown stain on them though. It's a regular occurance for the Lilys.
West Dub! ;D
The beautiful irony being that Leo Turley himself is now exiled in Leixlip.
He's there to teach you how to kick points when the pressure comes on. No better man.
Certainly worked the oracle in the second half on Saturday.
It did but it wont work against the Dubs, maybe if you had robbed Donie on us when Geezer was there you might have a chance. Or maybe Seanie will make a comeback. :D
Sure Donie is from Carlow, not to mention the bold Billy 'Angry Man' Sheehan.
Beaten to it.
Donie is pure Laois. You lot were after an actual Carlow man in Brendan Murphy actually aswell. Geezer knew about the brown togs problem you lot have. :D
Sure Donie was born and raised in Westmeath, lived in Carlow and somehow ended up playing for Kileen, even though Barrowhouse were the nearest club. That boy knows his worth. As for Brendan Murphy another lula, did you not here he was trying to engineer a transfer to Donegal. Surprised Laois aren't trawling for more Dublin rejects like Shane Cooke though.
Donie is more Laois than the Slieve Blooms. He played for Barrowhouse until he moved. :p At least Cooke had relations in Laois. The Dub keeper Supple didn't have any in Kildare I don't think. Geezer took a different route to your usual recruitment destinations. He stayed in Leinster and Ulster while you used to head to Munster to rob Tipperary and Cork!
Laois are clearly missing a trick by not getting a few inmates from Portlaoise Prison to tog out. There's bound to be a few hardy Hughie Emerson lookalikes incarcerated in Maryborough who would toughen ye up a bit.
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Laois are clearly missing a trick by not getting a few inmates from Portlaoise Prison to tog out. There's bound to be a few hardy Hughie Emerson lookalikes incarcerated in Maryborough who would toughen ye up a bit.
Or a Mick Lawlor or two, there was a footballer with a bit of spine unlike the current jellyfish in Laois.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 15, 2015, 05:16:41 PM
Laois are clearly missing a trick by not getting a few inmates from Portlaoise Prison to tog out. There's bound to be a few hardy Hughie Emerson lookalikes incarcerated in Maryborough who would toughen ye up a bit.
Say that to Hughies face!!! :D There's a few RIRA guys that we might have a look at. The drug dealers from Dublin can head home and tog out for Ballymun or St Vincents or one of them.
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Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 15, 2015, 05:16:41 PM
Laois are clearly missing a trick by not getting a few inmates from Portlaoise Prison to tog out. There's bound to be a few hardy Hughie Emerson lookalikes incarcerated in Maryborough who would toughen ye up a bit.
Say that to Hughies face!!! :D There's a few RIRA guys that we might have a look at. The drug dealers from Dublin can head home and tog out for Ballymun or St Vincents or one of them.
They might not take too kindly to Billy Sheehan's views on occupied Ulster!
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Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 15, 2015, 05:16:41 PM
Laois are clearly missing a trick by not getting a few inmates from Portlaoise Prison to tog out. There's bound to be a few hardy Hughie Emerson lookalikes incarcerated in Maryborough who would toughen ye up a bit.
Or a Mick Lawlor or two, there was a footballer with a bit of spine unlike the current jellyfish in Laois.
Mick was instrumental in our Leinster victory in 03! We currently only have old fellas and young lads mostly. It'd be much easier with 200,000 people. I'd say we'd have won at least one more Leinster title this century at least!
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Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 15, 2015, 05:16:41 PM
Laois are clearly missing a trick by not getting a few inmates from Portlaoise Prison to tog out. There's bound to be a few hardy Hughie Emerson lookalikes incarcerated in Maryborough who would toughen ye up a bit.
Say that to Hughies face!!! :D There's a few RIRA guys that we might have a look at. The drug dealers from Dublin can head home and tog out for Ballymun or St Vincents or one of them.
They might not take too kindly to Billy Sheehan's views on occupied Ulster!
Billy might disappear. :o
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Kildare bottle it when any pressure comes on, like the Leinster final of 03. I don't believe Kildare have won many Leinsters since then either. They always have a mess in their panse and kick wide after wide when they have a chance. :D
What is it now 10 years since you beat us in the Championship, and you won a final against 13 men well done Laois, Micko did well in fairness to get Alan Barry sent off. What is it the Dubs call you again, lemons!!
It's no surprise to see a West Dub robbing a line from their Eastern neighbours! Yes 10 years since we gave you a whipping and 12 years since we got the glorious Leinster championship victory, that's not the last time the white shorts had a brown stain on them though. It's a regular occurance for the Lilys.
West Dub! ;D
The beautiful irony being that Leo Turley himself is now exiled in Leixlip.
He's there to teach you how to kick points when the pressure comes on. No better man.
Certainly worked the oracle in the second half on Saturday.
It did but it wont work against the Dubs, maybe if you had robbed Donie on us when Geezer was there you might have a chance. Or maybe Seanie will make a comeback. :D
We'll take Billy Sheehan if he's going?
He can bring his megaphone to drown out the Hill.
Even Billy would be able to hit points under pressure better than a Kildare man and that's saying something. Kildare need some sort of new recruitment drive anyway, the long stretch since their last Leinster title is getting close to 20 years!!!! And them with over 200,000 people. :D
That's a lot of mouths to feed though and the Dubs have all the money, they might let us do a bucket collection outside their home ground Sunday week though. Pity and all that.
We already gave you the empty tins for your last big fundraiser and gave you the cheque signer from Croke Park, not to mention the All Ireland Feile winning manager from last year, we can't do much more for ye.
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 15, 2015, 04:22:08 PM
Gavin has an awful smarmy head on him tbf
I wouldnt disagree with that one :)
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 15, 2015, 04:16:32 PM
Kildare bottle it when any pressure comes on, like the Leinster final of 03. I don't believe Kildare have won many Leinsters since then either. They always have a mess in their panse and kick wide after wide when they have a chance. :D
:-X
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Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 15, 2015, 04:16:32 PM
Kildare bottle it when any pressure comes on, like the Leinster final of 03. I don't believe Kildare have won many Leinsters since then either. They always have a mess in their panse and kick wide after wide when they have a chance. :D
:-X
:D :D :D :D :D
It didn't take long for the brown stains to appear on Kildares shorts this time!!!!!!
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 28, 2015, 04:33:42 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 20, 2015, 05:12:29 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 15, 2015, 04:16:32 PM
Kildare bottle it when any pressure comes on, like the Leinster final of 03. I don't believe Kildare have won many Leinsters since then either. They always have a mess in their panse and kick wide after wide when they have a chance. :D
:-X
:D :D :D :D :D
It didn't take long for the brown stains to appear on Kildares shorts this time!!!!!!
Sure Laois might get another shot at us in the backdoor......
Well the scoreboard may have implied that things were one-sided today, but we in Dublin know that wasn't the case at all.
The game turned on a crucial decision early in the second half. Kildare had been dominating Dublin since the restart, but a crucial decision when Kildare should have had a goal when the referee failed to play advantage effectively decided the outcome. Had that been given, as it should have been, it would have been anybody's match.
Certainly we in Dublin know that a repeat of today's performance won't be good enough to win the final against Westmeath.
What we've seen this weekend shows that Leinster football as a whole is in great shape. Westmeath's historic win over Meath will surely go down as the match of the year, and Wexford brushing aside Down and Louth brushing aside Leitrim show that there is excellent strength in depth in the province.
Kildare's thumping victory over Dublin in the minor match today also shows that our neighbours are well placed to capitalise on any downturn in our performance in the near future, and that notions of continued sustained Dublin dominance in Leinster into the future are laughable.
We go into the final with a puncher's chance, but nobody in the capital is under any illusions about the size of the task. We need to improve to have a chance of winning.
We're on our last legs and just hoping to wring the last drop out of this current team, because we know it won't last.
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Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 28, 2015, 04:33:42 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 20, 2015, 05:12:29 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 15, 2015, 04:16:32 PM
Kildare bottle it when any pressure comes on, like the Leinster final of 03. I don't believe Kildare have won many Leinsters since then either. They always have a mess in their panse and kick wide after wide when they have a chance. :D
:-X
:D :D :D :D :D
It didn't take long for the brown stains to appear on Kildares shorts this time!!!!!!
Sure Laois might get another shot at us in the backdoor......
We can't because we're out. Not surprising that a Lily doesn't know much about football. I'm sure you've all learned how difficult it is to play against a county with far more population than you after todays spanking. :D
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 28, 2015, 10:26:08 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 28, 2015, 07:55:03 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 28, 2015, 04:33:42 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 20, 2015, 05:12:29 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on June 15, 2015, 04:16:32 PM
Kildare bottle it when any pressure comes on, like the Leinster final of 03. I don't believe Kildare have won many Leinsters since then either. They always have a mess in their panse and kick wide after wide when they have a chance. :D
:-X
:D :D :D :D :D
It didn't take long for the brown stains to appear on Kildares shorts this time!!!!!!
Sure Laois might get another shot at us in the backdoor......
We can't because we're out. Not surprising that a Lily doesn't know much about football. I'm sure you've all learned how difficult it is to play against a county with far more population than you after todays spanking. :D
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All of Dublin is fully focussed on the task at hand. That goes for both the team and INTERNET blowhards like INDIANA. It's a Leinster final which could go either way. Westmeath will be a very tough nut to crack. Nobody should be under any illusions that today will be easy. It won't. Dublin need to up their performance big time from the last day. If the team can do that, they have a chance.
Those familiar butterflies that can only a knockout championship match can engender are once again floating in my stomach. The reality that we could be out of the championship by 5:30pm today has hit home in a big way this morning. I'm sick with nerves.
I'd say your stomach will be fully settled by 4.05pm!
Strong wind behind Dublin in that first half. This is far from over.
Quote from: Sidney on August 02, 2015, 04:52:48 PM
Strong wind behind Dublin in that first half. This is far from over.
Yeah, if Fermanagh think they will get away with a 10 point loss they are kidding themselves. This is far from over!
I see the Dub boo boys are at it again. No wonder everyone loves the boys in blue.
Nobody can say Dublin now haven't been tested. Just glad to get through today.
I'm gutted I wasn't at Croke Park today so I could have patronisingly congratulated Fermanagh people on their performance, with a big patronising grin on my face.
They won a lot of friends today.
Well, the old story with Dublin-Kerry games played out once again. Kerry were written up by the media, all the talk was of revenge, hurt and how they were going to blow Dublin away, whereas Dublin, as usual, kept quiet, played the poor mouth, and did their talking on the pitch.
Trademark Jackeen cute hoorism wins the day yet again. Yerra.
Quote from: sid waddell on August 29, 2016, 01:27:11 PM
Well, the old story with Dublin-Kerry games played out once again. Kerry were written up by the media, all the talk was of revenge, hurt and how they were going to blow Dublin away, whereas Dublin, as usual, kept quiet, played the poor mouth, and did their talking on the pitch.
Trademark Jackeen cute hoorism wins the day yet again. Yerra.
Kerry won a lot of friends with that performance yesterday.
Fair play, they fought all the way to the end and never gave up.
Dublin's high performance culture > Kerry's tradition.
Had a pain in my bollix all week listening to Kerry legend after Kerry legend going on about "hunger, revenge, pain, wanting it more, belief" and every other sporting cliche in the book.
What ever about best ever, impossible judge teams across different eras this Dublin team is the best prepared ever.
I never once doubted Dublin would win that game yesterday. Great ambassadors for Leinster Football.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 29, 2016, 02:44:08 PM
Dublin's high performance culture > Kerry's tradition.
Had a pain in my bollix all week listening to Kerry legend after Kerry legend going on about "hunger, revenge, pain, wanting it more, belief" and every other sporting cliche in the book.
What ever about best ever, impossible judge teams across different eras this Dublin team is the best prepared ever.
I never once doubted Dublin would win that game yesterday. Great ambassadors for Leinster Football.
Dublin and Dublin supporters would always be very mindful that we're representing Leinster. It's a victory for the whole province really, and we're delighted that Leinsterians from Carnsore Pont to the Cooley Peninsula to the left bank of the Shannon can bask in the reflected glory of our success.
Even Kerry, as part of the Leinster hurling championship, can now rejoice in the success of their province.
But nothing is won yet and we'll also be mindful that Mayo will go into the final as favourites - a repeat of Dublin's performance yesterday will mean no back to back All-Ireland.
Im sure the Meath lads are just loving this...
Quote from: sid waddell on August 29, 2016, 03:10:53 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 29, 2016, 02:44:08 PM
Dublin's high performance culture > Kerry's tradition.
Had a pain in my bollix all week listening to Kerry legend after Kerry legend going on about "hunger, revenge, pain, wanting it more, belief" and every other sporting cliche in the book.
What ever about best ever, impossible judge teams across different eras this Dublin team is the best prepared ever.
I never once doubted Dublin would win that game yesterday. Great ambassadors for Leinster Football.
Dublin and Dublin supporters would always be very mindful that we're representing Leinster. It's a victory for the whole province really, and we're delighted that Leinsterians from Carnsore Pont to the Cooley Peninsula to the left bank of the Shannon can bask in the reflected glory of our success.
Even Kerry, as part of the Leinster hurling championship, can now rejoice in the success of their province.
But nothing is won yet and we'll also be mindful that Mayo will go into the final as favourites - a repeat of Dublin's performance yesterday will mean no back to back All-Ireland.
As our champions we all expect you to deliver.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 29, 2016, 02:44:08 PM
Dublin's high performance culture > Kerry's tradition.
Had a pain in my bollix all week listening to Kerry legend after Kerry legend going on about "hunger, revenge, pain, wanting it more, belief" and every other sporting cliche in the book.
What ever about best ever, impossible judge teams across different eras this Dublin team is the best prepared ever.
I never once doubted Dublin would win that game yesterday. Great ambassadors for Leinster Football.
Yes indeed this is the best prepared team ever and so it should be but let's compare like with like.
For one thing, Dublin, as of Census '16 has almost 9 times the population of Kerry and it logically follows that they can avail of sponsorship arrangements that other counties can only dream about.
Dublin has no worries about players having to travel long distances to get to their training grounds. They also get to play their championship (almost without exception) on their home pitch.
Sure, they are a very talented bunch but don't forget that the backbone of that team played against Meath in 2010 and were annihilated. The following year they won the All Ireland. In the interim, Dublin launched their 'Blue Wave' initiative and won the AI the very next year.
Go figure...
Was it the sheer natural talent of the players that makes them the best prepared team in the land or did the money spent on resources and coaching etc. play a part?
I wouldn't say they are great ambassadors for Leinster football either as that would imply that they were primus inter pares and that there was/is meaningful opposition within the province.
But there isn't and with 11 Leinster titles out of the last 12, they inhabit a different planet to the others.
I don't blame JIm Gavin or his players for the overwhelming advantages ion playing numbers and resources over every other team in the land. That's demographics at work and they have no say over that.
Trouble is that this particular cuckoo is getting way too big for its nest and that will bring about the same scenario that you see in the Scottish Premiership to the detriment of the GAA as a whole.
There is talk of Dublin representing Ireland in the Olympics in Tokyo.
Quote from: rrhf on August 29, 2016, 04:17:32 PM
There is talk of Dublin representing Ireland in the Olympics in Tokyo.
Let's see how they get on in the 6 nations first.
Bypassing the 6 nations and going straight on to the all Blacks, be Joe Brolly`s wet dream
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 29, 2016, 04:14:55 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 29, 2016, 02:44:08 PM
Dublin's high performance culture > Kerry's tradition.
Had a pain in my bollix all week listening to Kerry legend after Kerry legend going on about "hunger, revenge, pain, wanting it more, belief" and every other sporting cliche in the book.
What ever about best ever, impossible judge teams across different eras this Dublin team is the best prepared ever.
I never once doubted Dublin would win that game yesterday. Great ambassadors for Leinster Football.
Was it the sheer natural talent of the players that makes them the best prepared team in the land or did the money spent on resources and coaching etc. play a part?
Kevin Heffernan said he would always have a good big lad before a good little lad. Dublin have always gone with bigger athletic players - in the past some might not have been technically great. Exceptions to the big rule would be maybe Mick Deegan, Anto McCaul and Jim Gavin himself.
This bunch is athletic and for the most part very good technically as well and a few are very good indeed. A couple like McAuley and O Gara are not Ferraris but are strong and very effective.
I suspect that there are lots of smaller, very skilful players in Dublin clubs. But you would be mad not to go with the bigger lads when they can play as well.
Of course likes of Leitrim cannot hope to develop a squad like that, neither can the vast majority of counties. Other counties can do better. Sport science is a pretty much open book. There are club plodders training for marathons that have the same programmes that elite athletes have. You can throw any amount of resources at a plodder and they will still be a plodder - even if an improved plodder.
This Dublin team has lads that are brilliant footballers but many have an exceptional basic athleticism. You can develop that but the natural base has to be there.
Looking at the Olympics you would have to wonder about Kilkenny and decathlon maybe. McCarty just covers the ground effortlessly. McCaffrey too.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 29, 2016, 04:23:27 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 29, 2016, 04:17:32 PM
There is talk of Dublin representing Ireland in the Olympics in Tokyo.
Let's see how they get on in the 6 nations first.
Will they be able to do without the players they are lending Pittsburgh for the Super Bowl?
Go the Steelers!
I'm expecting a really tough game from Carlow this evening.
Jonny Cooper rightly said it would be a tough challenge last October, and he should know what he's talking about.
People wrongly criticise the Leinster championship when they say it's a cakewalk - everybody in Dublin knows that's not the case at all.
Another Leinster title this year is the primary aim and tonight is the first step towards achieving that.
As Jim Gavin says, we're passionate about east coast football.
Carlow had a tremendous win over a very good Wexford team in the preliminary round, playing very direct attacking football.
It'll be a hostile atmosphere in Portlaoise, Carlow have a massive support, the Sky Sports cameras are there and all the ingredients are in place for a shock.
It's up to Dublin now to tear up the script and not let that shock happen.
I am surprised Dublin still play Gah in 2017. Surely they have moved on beyond it at this stage. Do they not have a UEFA coefficient or a TV gig in California?
Huge travelling Dublin support today
they must have brought 0.5% of the population down to Portlaoise today
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 03, 2017, 09:30:06 PM
Huge travelling Dublin support today
they must have brought 0.5% of the population down to Portlaoise today
To join the other 0.5% who are already accommodated by the State in the town
Very tough match there this evening.
Carlow were difficult opponents, as predicted, and Dublin were put to the pins of their collective collars to shake them off.
Those in the cheap seats who ridiculed Jonny Cooper last October now have egg on their faces.
Jonny knew.
Carlow will do well in the qualifiers.
Westmeath or Offaly up next and whoever comes through that will also provide a huge challenge.
But Dublin supporters will think about that on Monday.
Time first of all to celebrate a job well done this evening.
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2017, 07:00:12 PM
I am surprised Dublin still play Gah in 2017. Surely they have moved on beyond it at this stage. Do they not have a UEFA coefficient or a TV gig in California?
After last year's media war over the Connolly-Keegan battle, we're planning an east coast/west coast gang war with Mayo this year, complete with drive by shootings and all.
Watch out for the Notorious D.U.B.
He's quick on the draw.
East Coast, the coast with the most, yeah.
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2017, 09:32:09 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 03, 2017, 09:30:06 PM
Huge travelling Dublin support today
they must have brought 0.5% of the population down to Portlaoise today
To join the other 0.5% who are already accommodated by the State in the town
What a gobshite you are
That's a really tough draw for us to start next year. Offaly or Wicklow in the quarter-final, and presumably that game will be away from home, just to make the task even harder.
But, sure look it - if something is not difficult, it's not worth doing.
Quote from: sid waddell on October 19, 2017, 09:16:22 PM
That's a really tough draw for us to start next year. Offaly or Wicklow in the quarter-final, and presumably that game will be away from home, just to make the task even harder.
But, sure look it - if something is not difficult, it's not worth doing.
Dublin will get nothing easy if they have to travel to Aughrim. Graveyard for teams.
The reason why there's been fcuk all money put into anything but Croker has been that Croker park is the home stadium for most Leinster teams. Dubs will not go to aughrim.
Quote from: sid waddell on October 19, 2017, 09:16:22 PM
That's a really tough draw for us to start next year. Offaly or Wicklow in the quarter-final, and presumably that game will be away from home, just to make the task even harder.
But, sure look it - if something is not difficult, it's not worth doing.
us now is it?
Quote from: SCFC on October 20, 2017, 08:34:45 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 19, 2017, 09:16:22 PM
That's a really tough draw for us to start next year. Offaly or Wicklow in the quarter-final, and presumably that game will be away from home, just to make the task even harder.
But, sure look it - if something is not difficult, it's not worth doing.
Dublin will get nothing easy if they have to travel to Aughrim. Graveyard for teams.
Including Wicklow
Quote from: rrhf on October 20, 2017, 08:49:41 AM
The reason why there's been fcuk all money put into anything but Croker has been that Croker park is the home stadium for most Leinster teams. Dubs will not go to aughrim.
Bring it to Páirc Phroinnsias UÍ Mhurchú .....
Quote from: sid waddell on October 19, 2017, 09:16:22 PM
That's a really tough draw for us to start next year. Offaly or Wicklow in the quarter-final, and presumably that game will be away from home, just to make the task even harder.
But, sure look it - if something is not difficult, it's not worth doing.
Dublin should be okay if they score an early point and hold the ball by passing it back to Clucko repeatedly for 65 minutes
Westmeath laid down a serious marker there. The myth of Dublin invincibility in Leinster has been crushed once and for all.
It'll be a tough battle to retain the Delaney Cup this year, very tough.
If ye keep fielding the C team maybe.
Quote from: sid waddell on January 18, 2019, 09:54:08 PM
Westmeath laid down a serious marker there. The myth of Dublin invincibility in Leinster has been crushed once and for all.
It'll be a tough battle to retain the Delaney Cup this year, very tough.
I doubt any members of the 'Real' Dublin squad would know who won the O'Byrne Cup tonight if you met them on the street this evening. Some would not even know that there was a game in Parnell Park.
A fair amount of the Dublin first team were in the stands for the Meath game.
Quote from: thejuice on January 18, 2019, 10:31:31 PM
A fair amount of the Dublin first team were in the stands for the Meath game.
That was a Sunday afternoon! There was probably nothing better to be doing. Friday evenings are different!
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Quote from: sid waddell on January 18, 2019, 09:54:08 PM
Westmeath laid down a serious marker there. The myth of Dublin invincibility in Leinster has been crushed once and for all.
It'll be a tough battle to retain the Delaney Cup this year, very tough.
I doubt any members of the 'Real' Dublin squad would know who won the O'Byrne Cup tonight if you met them on the street this evening. Some would not even know that there was a game in Parnell Park.
+1
Certainly we would like to win the League but Monaghan were very good and even Fento was overwhelmed and if we don't make the final it could mean that we don't win Sam
Quote from: seafoid on February 12, 2019, 04:26:54 PM
Certainly we would like to win the League but Monaghan were very good and even Fento was overwhelmed and if we don't make the final it could mean that we don't win Sam
At this stage all Dublin supporters would be happy to just avoid relegation, truth be told.
That defeat in the O'Byrne Cup final has, as I predicted, destroyed the myth of invincibility surrounding this Dublin team.
With Mayo flying at the moment, we'll find it very difficult to avoid being in the drop zone after the next roound of fixtures.
Unlike Mayo, Tyrone, Roscommon and Cavan, this Dublin team have no experience of being involved in a relegation battle - and that's what makes the prospect very dangerous.
If the players start thinking they're too good to go down, they could end up doing just that.
If Mayo win at Croke Park on February 23rd, it may be time to say goodbye to Jim Gavin and hello to Sam Allardyce.
Question to the dubliners on this thread
Do you realise the anger and frustration among rest of the gaa public over the financial doping?
Do you realise a big proportion of the gaa public have little or no respect for Dublin's achievements over the last few years due to the financial doping?
I think Dublin are in serious denial about it all.
f**k me, the patronising of a very average Cork team is unbearable. Somehow when Kildare & Meath get hammered by Dublin, the Leinster Championship is a joke. They obliterated Cork in the quarter finals of the All Ireland and you have people literally saying Cork have showed the way to beat Dublin. The game had no intensity and apart from Jack Mc was played at the pace on O'Byrne Cup game in January. They will do the same next week in their neutral game in Croke Park. They will go to Omagh and rest 5/6 key players while getting game time into their injured parties ready for 2 more games in neutral venues.
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on July 13, 2019, 11:36:37 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 13, 2019, 11:19:40 PM
f**k me, the patronising of a very average Cork team is unbearable. Somehow when Kildare & Meath get hammered by Dublin, the Leinster Championship is a joke. They obliterated Cork in the quarter finals of the All Ireland and you have people literally saying Cork have showed the way to beat Dublin. The game had no intensity and apart from Jack Mc was played at the pace on O'Byrne Cup game in January. They will do the same next week in their neutral game in Croke Park. They will go to Omagh and rest 5/6 key players while getting game time into their injured parties ready for 2 more games in neutral venues.
Donny you need to give the missus a good ride. You sound like u need one 🤣🤣🤣🤣
+1,😁
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on August 06, 2019, 08:54:17 AM
Did many dubs travel to omagh? I suppose they luas doesn't go that far ;)
Have to give it to the Dubs, they were there on mass. Very good turnout.
Although less keen on the woman beside me making plans for her hairstyle and taking selfies "for the final".
Jim Gavin is sans pareil
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/he-was-here-in-spirit-philly-mcmahon-pictured-in-tears-as-he-pays-breaking-bad-inspired-tribute-to-father-37275086.html
I wouldn't say we were cruising. As we've experienced in the last few years, no surprise there from Tyrone. My admiration has gone up for them ten-fold and to a man they stayed on the pitch at the end.
Read more here:
'My admiration has gone up for them ten-fold' - Jim Gavin shows respect for Tyrone
'These are classy guys' - Joe Brolly reveals text he received from Dublin's James McCarthy ahead of All Ireland final
"At 0-1 to 0-5, they had the momentum. But our guys don't blink, which is a great characteristic.
"Putting Colm Cavanagh to full-forward showed their intent. Our guys are extremly fatigued from a fantastic battle."
After a summer that drew plenty of negative attention, Gavin feels that today's final was a credit to both teams.
"It's and All-Ireland final, there's a lot on the line. I think the GAA should be very proud of both counties, the spectacle that they put on today," added Gavin.
"We were probably just ahead of them in efficiency terms. The collective ethos in that Dublin team is just a pleasure to watch.
"The players who didn't get game time must be disappointed, but they don't show it.
You're never safe in a game, not against quality opposition. They can get a goal and the whole dynamic of the game can change. We pride ourselves on our technical skills coming out in the heat of battle.
"That's a very young Tyrone team, they'll certainly be back."
With four All Ireland titles to his name now, Gavin admits that he is just living in the moment and not giving any thought to what lies ahead.
"I didn't envisage anything when I took over Dublin. I just envisaged trying to do my very best for them. We all just volunteer our time, it's a choice that we make. There are no guarantees." added the Dublin boss.
"When it's all over, we'll look back. But we're just living in the moment now.
A lot of joy among Dublin supporters tonight but the overwhelming emotion is one of relief
We hadn't knocked Meath out of the championship since 1995, so it's a serious monkey off the back
Dublin-Meath knockout Leinster finals have always been sickeningly tense affairs and tonight was no different
It might be a cold Saturday night in November but inside the hearts of Dublin supporters, it's as warm and sunny as that glorious Sunday afternoon in July 1995 when we last knocked Meath out
All we need now is Blur and Oasis to go head to head for the Christmas number one
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Absolutely valid points, (And fair play to Dublin for making the most of the ridiculous advantages they enjoy, ) but do other county players benefit from a loaded AI system, have all their games at home, an almost guaranteed AI medal and several extra perks along the way. NO!
Very true, if only the Leitrim footballers got off their fat asses and got down to the gym in Carrick , football could be saved.
Oh, and gobbled up their Protein shakes and got their volunteers out of their beds.
Quote from: Halfquarter on December 05, 2020, 09:20:33 PM
Very true, if only the Leitrim footballers got off their fat asses and got down to the gym in Carrick , football could be saved.
Oh, and gobbled up their Protein shakes and got their volunteers out of their beds.
You'd miss the old days when Leitrim were beating Dublin in the championship and winning All-Irelands
Quote from: sid waddell on December 05, 2020, 09:26:22 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on December 05, 2020, 09:20:33 PM
Very true, if only the Leitrim footballers got off their fat asses and got down to the gym in Carrick , football could be saved.
Oh, and gobbled up their Protein shakes and got their volunteers out of their beds.
You'd miss the old days when Leitrim were beating Dublin in the championship and winning All-Irelands
Yes, you'd miss the old days , when Dublin weren't the only team winning All Ireland's .
Quote from: sid waddell on December 05, 2020, 09:26:22 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on December 05, 2020, 09:20:33 PM
Very true, if only the Leitrim footballers got off their fat asses and got down to the gym in Carrick , football could be saved.
Oh, and gobbled up their Protein shakes and got their volunteers out of their beds.
You'd miss the old days when any other team were beating Dublin in the championship and winning All-Irelands
Fixed that for you.
Quote from: Owenmoresider on December 05, 2020, 09:49:04 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 05, 2020, 09:26:22 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on December 05, 2020, 09:20:33 PM
Very true, if only the Leitrim footballers got off their fat asses and got down to the gym in Carrick , football could be saved.
Oh, and gobbled up their Protein shakes and got their volunteers out of their beds.
You'd miss the old days when any other team were beating Dublin in the championship and winning All-Irelands
Fixed that for you.
In how many seasons since 1888 have Sligo won a Connacht championship match?
I'd be interested to get the view of somebody from Fermanagh as to whether they believe their team should still compete in the Ulster championship, despite winning it 0 times ever
Quote from: sid waddell on December 05, 2020, 09:26:22 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on December 05, 2020, 09:20:33 PM
Very true, if only the Leitrim footballers got off their fat asses and got down to the gym in Carrick , football could be saved.
Oh, and gobbled up their Protein shakes and got their volunteers out of their beds.
You'd miss the old days when Leitrim were beating Dublin in the championship and winning All-Irelands
Back in the good old days of 1994 . Leitrim beat Roscommon in the Hyde, Galway in Tuam and Mayo in the Hyde. Their reward was playing a Dublin team in the Dubs 4th championship match in Croke park. Unsurprisingly Dublin tanked them. It was wrong then and it's wrong now. Dublin now have further financial advantages and a very strong "success breeds success " advantage . That "success breeds success" phenomenon would be fair enough, if the success was under equitable circumstances, but it ain't
Quote from: 6th sam on December 05, 2020, 10:14:43 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 05, 2020, 09:26:22 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on December 05, 2020, 09:20:33 PM
Very true, if only the Leitrim footballers got off their fat asses and got down to the gym in Carrick , football could be saved.
Oh, and gobbled up their Protein shakes and got their volunteers out of their beds.
You'd miss the old days when Leitrim were beating Dublin in the championship and winning All-Irelands
Back in the good old days of 1994 . Leitrim beat Roscommon in the Hyde, Galway in Tuam and Mayo in the Hyde. Their reward was playing a Dublin team in the Dubs 4th championship match in Croke park. Unsurprisingly Dublin tanked them. It was wrong then and it's wrong now. Dublin now have further financial advantages and a very strong "success breeds success " advantage . That "success breeds success" phenomenon would be fair enough, if the success was under equitable circumstances, but it ain't
By that standard it was also wrong that Leitrim had to play Galway in the first place
It was also wrong that Down had to play Dublin in the All-Ireland final that year
It was also wrong that Ireland had to play Italy in the World Cup that year
Had Italy won six world cups in a row and funded by Fifa at the expense of every other nation? Was every game in Rome?
Quote from: mrdeeds on December 05, 2020, 10:29:19 PM
Had Italy won six world cups in a row and funded by Fifa at the expense of every other nation? Was every game in Rome?
Ireland played Italy at the 1990 World Cup and Italy had all their games in Rome up to that
But for a bounce of the ball, we could have taken them to extra-time
International soccer is based on the exact same principle as the inter-county game - representing your country - in GAA it's county
Inherent in this system are massive population imbalances - but everybody involved knows the system, and accepts it - the system is about identity, as is the GAA
Thus you had Russia, population 144 million, facing Croatia, population 4 million, in the quarter-finals of the last World Cup
Ireland has a population of 4.8 million, but the Irish soccer team is integral to this county's sense of sporting identity and anybody who says we should merge with Scotland and Wales and NI to create a Celtic Fringes team would be laughed out of its
Anybody who suggested our soccer team stopped competing in World Cup and Euro qualifiers in favour of dropping down to a B or a C or a D competition would also be laughed at
If it ever should happen that an international soccer team routinely dispatches almost every opponent by 5+ goals, then you might have a valid comparator.
But you're not helping yourself with this chain of thought, until that happens.
Quote from: thewobbler on December 05, 2020, 10:58:08 PM
If it ever should happen that an international soccer team routinely dispatches almost every opponent by 5+ goals, then you might have a valid comparator.
But you're not helping yourself with this chain of thought, until that happens.
Can you list the margins Dublin have won their All-Irelands by?
Here, I'll do it for you
1
1
3
(0)1
1
6
(0)6
When Dublin are routinely winning All-Ireland finals by double digits for a period of 10 years or more, get back to me
Quote from: thewobbler on December 05, 2020, 10:58:08 PM
If it ever should happen that an international soccer team routinely dispatches almost every opponent by 5+ goals, then you might have a valid comparator.
But you're not helping yourself with this chain of thought, until that happens.
So what you're saying is until any International team hammers every other team the comparison of playing population available for selection is somehow irrelevant. That's just stupid and idiotic.
Some counties in GAA just like international sides in other competitive sports have a competitive advantage based on playing numbers alone. That's just life . Suck it up and deal with it. To say that's irrelevant simply because a team/country don't take advantage of that imbalance is so stupid, idiotic and funny it deserves nothing but derision and ridicule
For comparison, Kerry's All-Ireland final margins 1975-1986
7
17
11
3
7
5
4
8
And Kilkenny's 2000-2015
13
7
3
3
7
23
5
4
11
3
4
Quote from: sid waddell on December 05, 2020, 11:13:10 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 05, 2020, 10:58:08 PM
If it ever should happen that an international soccer team routinely dispatches almost every opponent by 5+ goals, then you might have a valid comparator.
But you're not helping yourself with this chain of thought, until that happens.
Can you list the margins Dublin have won their All-Irelands by?
Here, I'll do it for you
1
1
3
(0)1
1
6
(0)6
When Dublin are routinely winning All-Ireland finals by double digits for a period of 10 years or more, get back to me
Nobody will be getting back to you. Because nobody will care. There will be more interest in the Oxford-Cambridge boat race than there will be in the AI championship by then.
Quote from: sid waddell on December 05, 2020, 11:13:10 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 05, 2020, 10:58:08 PM
If it ever should happen that an international soccer team routinely dispatches almost every opponent by 5+ goals, then you might have a valid comparator.
But you're not helping yourself with this chain of thought, until that happens.
Can you list the margins Dublin have won their All-Irelands by?
Here, I'll do it for you
1
1
3
(0)1
1
6
(0)6
When Dublin are routinely winning All-Ireland finals by double digits for a period of 10 years or more, get back to me
Is that what it will take then?
Jesus we are in trouble.
Quote from: sid waddell on December 05, 2020, 10:43:27 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on December 05, 2020, 10:29:19 PM
Had Italy won six world cups in a row and funded by Fifa at the expense of every other nation? Was every game in Rome?
Ireland played Italy at the 1990 World Cup and Italy had all their games in Rome up to that
But for a bounce of the ball, we could have taken them to extra-time
International soccer is based on the exact same principle as the inter-county game - representing your country - in GAA it's county
Inherent in this system are massive population imbalances - but everybody involved knows the system, and accepts it - the system is about identity, as is the GAA
Thus you had Russia, population 144 million, facing Croatia, population 4 million, in the quarter-finals of the last World Cup
Ireland has a population of 4.8 million, but the Irish soccer team is integral to this county's sense of sporting identity and anybody who says we should merge with Scotland and Wales and NI to create a Celtic Fringes team would be laughed out of its
Anybody who suggested our soccer team stopped competing in World Cup and Euro qualifiers in favour of dropping down to a B or a C or a D competition would also be laughed at
Comparing apples and oranges again?
The World Cup Is a qualification process, minnow countries sometimes qualify , but rarely if ever win. Their teams are often heavily laced with diaspora players to
Make them competitive ( Italian 90) . It comes around every 4 years and has become a bit of a novelty competition as it takes second place due to financial muscle of the club game. FIFA don't plough hefty amounts of money towards the World Cup champions and No team gets to play all their games at home. Please stop defending the indefensible, "thou doth protest too much"
The AI final ain't the problem Sid.
The problem is that every other game is such a pronounced mismatch; an anti-spectacle.
There is always cannon fodder in every representative sport. But when every other team is cannon fodder to just one , then it's no longer sport.
That's where we are at now.
Quote from: 6th sam on December 05, 2020, 11:36:12 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 05, 2020, 10:43:27 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on December 05, 2020, 10:29:19 PM
Had Italy won six world cups in a row and funded by Fifa at the expense of every other nation? Was every game in Rome?
Ireland played Italy at the 1990 World Cup and Italy had all their games in Rome up to that
But for a bounce of the ball, we could have taken them to extra-time
International soccer is based on the exact same principle as the inter-county game - representing your country - in GAA it's county
Inherent in this system are massive population imbalances - but everybody involved knows the system, and accepts it - the system is about identity, as is the GAA
Thus you had Russia, population 144 million, facing Croatia, population 4 million, in the quarter-finals of the last World Cup
Ireland has a population of 4.8 million, but the Irish soccer team is integral to this county's sense of sporting identity and anybody who says we should merge with Scotland and Wales and NI to create a Celtic Fringes team would be laughed out of its
Anybody who suggested our soccer team stopped competing in World Cup and Euro qualifiers in favour of dropping down to a B or a C or a D competition would also be laughed at
Comparing apples and oranges again?
The World Cup Is a qualification process, minnow countries sometimes qualify , but rarely if ever win. Their teams are often heavily laced with diaspora players to
Make them competitive ( Italian 90) . It comes around every 4 years and has become a bit of a novelty competition as it takes second place due to financial muscle of the club game. FIFA don't plough hefty amounts of money towards the World Cup champions and No team gets to play all their games at home. Please stop defending the indefensible, "thou doth protest too much"
I'm comparing like with like
International soccer and inter-county GAA are and have always been run on representative lines
International soccer windows take place in most months from March to November - every year
Representative sport involves places with massive population imbalances playing against each other
Ireland plays Gibraltar - that's a massive imbalance in our favour
Ireland plays Germany and Russia - that's a massive imbalance in our opponents' favour - in Germany's case that is advantage is not just in terms of population, but economic imbalance
The exact same thing as what happens in inter-county GAA
Uruguay, population 3 million, have reached a semi-final and quarter-final in the last 10 years
Croatia, population 4 million, reached the final two years ago
Quote from: thewobbler on December 05, 2020, 11:39:45 PM
The AI final ain't the problem Sid.
The problem is that every other game is such a pronounced mismatch; an anti-spectacle.
There is always cannon fodder in every representative sport. But when every other team is cannon fodder to just one , then it's no longer sport.
That's where we are at now.
You contradicted yourself there
You said the All-Ireland final is not the problem, then claimed every other team is cannon fodder
But they aren't - as you admitted, before denying it
I'm not the person that's defending the indefensible - I'm not the person that's whinging, and calling for the end of inter-county football because they don't like the results over the last few years
That seems pretty indefensible to me
Quote from: sid waddell on December 05, 2020, 11:49:13 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 05, 2020, 11:39:45 PM
The AI final ain't the problem Sid.
The problem is that every other game is such a pronounced mismatch; an anti-spectacle.
There is always cannon fodder in every representative sport. But when every other team is cannon fodder to just one , then it's no longer sport.
That's where we are at now.
You contradicted yourself there
You said the All-Ireland final is not the problem, then claimed every other team is cannon fodder
But they aren't - as you admitted, before denying it
I'm not the person that's defending the indefensible - I'm not the person that's whinging, and calling for the end of inter-county football because they don't like the results over the last few years
That seems pretty indefensible to me
😂😂Keep it up long enough and you might even convince yourself. Remind me, do we always play Gibraltar at home?
Quote from: 6th sam on December 06, 2020, 12:06:43 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 05, 2020, 11:49:13 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 05, 2020, 11:39:45 PM
The AI final ain't the problem Sid.
The problem is that every other game is such a pronounced mismatch; an anti-spectacle.
There is always cannon fodder in every representative sport. But when every other team is cannon fodder to just one , then it's no longer sport.
That's where we are at now.
You contradicted yourself there
You said the All-Ireland final is not the problem, then claimed every other team is cannon fodder
But they aren't - as you admitted, before denying it
I'm not the person that's defending the indefensible - I'm not the person that's whinging, and calling for the end of inter-county football because they don't like the results over the last few years
That seems pretty indefensible to me
😂😂Keep it up long enough and you might even convince yourself. Remind me, do we always play Gibraltar at home?
Do the West Coast Eagles ever get an AFL Grand Final against a Victorian team in Perth, rather than the MCG?
Do the Brisbane Broncos ever get an NRL Grand Final against a New South Wales team in Brisbane, rather than Stadium Australia?
The anti-Dublin crowd are big in internet cliches like "keep it up", but short on arguments other than them not liking the results of matches
Quote from: sid waddell on December 05, 2020, 09:26:22 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on December 05, 2020, 09:20:33 PM
Very true, if only the Leitrim footballers got off their fat asses and got down to the gym in Carrick , football could be saved.
Oh, and gobbled up their Protein shakes and got their volunteers out of their beds.
You'd miss the old days when Leitrim were beating Dublin in the championship and winning All-Irelands
You're miss the old days when Dublin struggled like everyone else to put together a decent team
https://youtu.be/O3G1bwD0ao0
Before the championship.was turned into a procession for one team
There was a Dublin lad on Facebook telling me that the Dubs are just hungrier and train harder than everyone else because he knows a lad who would know. I asked him to name one thing he knew that other counties weren't currently doing that could close the gap. He said he didn't know but that evidence from what was on the pitch was that they weren't trying hard enough.
Quote from: sid waddell on December 06, 2020, 12:35:05 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on December 06, 2020, 12:06:43 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 05, 2020, 11:49:13 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 05, 2020, 11:39:45 PM
The AI final ain't the problem Sid.
The problem is that every other game is such a pronounced mismatch; an anti-spectacle.
There is always cannon fodder in every representative sport. But when every other team is cannon fodder to just one , then it's no longer sport.
That's where we are at now.
You contradicted yourself there
You said the All-Ireland final is not the problem, then claimed every other team is cannon fodder
But they aren't - as you admitted, before denying it
I'm not the person that's defending the indefensible - I'm not the person that's whinging, and calling for the end of inter-county football because they don't like the results over the last few years
That seems pretty indefensible to me
😂😂Keep it up long enough and you might even convince yourself. Remind me, do we always play Gibraltar at home?
Do the West Coast Eagles ever get an AFL Grand Final against a Victorian team in Perth, rather than the MCG?
Do the Brisbane Broncos ever get an NRL Grand Final against a New South Wales team in Brisbane, rather than Stadium Australia?
The anti-Dublin crowd are big in internet cliches like "keep it up", but short on arguments other than them not liking the results of matches
But they don't get to play every game on the way to the final in their own ground
And Croke park is their own ground since they started playing league games there
Quote from: thejuice on December 06, 2020, 08:19:51 AM
There was a Dublin lad on Facebook telling me that the Dubs are just hungrier and train harder than everyone else because he knows a lad who would know. I asked him to name one thing he knew that other counties weren't currently doing that could close the gap. He said he didn't know but that evidence from what was on the pitch was that they weren't trying hard enough.
In Meath's case I would suggest getting a manager who knows what he's doing
Meath's record at club level is abysmal, their record at underage level in this century is very poor
I'd have a look at why that is
How many Leinster titles have Meath teams won? How many Leinster finals have Meath teams even reached?
Meath have big suburban population centres - Ashbourne, Dunboyne, Ratoath, Dunshaughlin, Trim and Navan obviously - young populations
It's a wealthy county with a massive football tradition
If I was Kildare, I'd approach Jim Gavin, he's only up the road in Clondalkin, probably quicker for him to get to Newbridge than to get to Parnell Park
Quote from: sid waddell on December 06, 2020, 10:30:59 AM
Quote from: thejuice on December 06, 2020, 08:19:51 AM
There was a Dublin lad on Facebook telling me that the Dubs are just hungrier and train harder than everyone else because he knows a lad who would know. I asked him to name one thing he knew that other counties weren't currently doing that could close the gap. He said he didn't know but that evidence from what was on the pitch was that they weren't trying hard enough.
In Meath's case I would suggest getting a manager who knows what he's doing
Meath's record at club level is abysmal, their record at underage level in this century is very poor
I'd have a look at why that is
How many Leinster titles have Meath teams won? How many Leinster finals have Meath teams even reached?
Meath have big suburban population centres - Ashbourne, Dunboyne, Ratoath, Dunshaughlin, Trim and Navan obviously - young populations
It's a wealthy county with a massive football tradition
If I was Kildare, I'd approach Jim Gavin, he's only up the road in Clondalkin, probably quicker for him to get to Newbridge than to get to Parnell Park
Do you think Jim Gavin would be able to do all the things you have mentioned above?
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 06, 2020, 11:13:09 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 06, 2020, 10:30:59 AM
Quote from: thejuice on December 06, 2020, 08:19:51 AM
There was a Dublin lad on Facebook telling me that the Dubs are just hungrier and train harder than everyone else because he knows a lad who would know. I asked him to name one thing he knew that other counties weren't currently doing that could close the gap. He said he didn't know but that evidence from what was on the pitch was that they weren't trying hard enough.
In Meath's case I would suggest getting a manager who knows what he's doing
Meath's record at club level is abysmal, their record at underage level in this century is very poor
I'd have a look at why that is
How many Leinster titles have Meath teams won? How many Leinster finals have Meath teams even reached?
Meath have big suburban population centres - Ashbourne, Dunboyne, Ratoath, Dunshaughlin, Trim and Navan obviously - young populations
It's a wealthy county with a massive football tradition
If I was Kildare, I'd approach Jim Gavin, he's only up the road in Clondalkin, probably quicker for him to get to Newbridge than to get to Parnell Park
Do you think Jim Gavin would be able to do all the things you have mentioned above?
Jim Gavin can coach a team to a much higher standard than the incumbent
Same as Mick O'Dwyer did compared to Pat Fitzgerald and Dermot Earley and Colm Browne
Same as James Horan did compared to John O'Mahony
Same as Jim McGuinness did compared to John Joe Doherty
If Jim Gavin took over the Kildare team, the county would be electrified, every player in the county would be desperate to play
Quote from: sid waddell on December 06, 2020, 11:19:08 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 06, 2020, 11:13:09 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 06, 2020, 10:30:59 AM
Quote from: thejuice on December 06, 2020, 08:19:51 AM
There was a Dublin lad on Facebook telling me that the Dubs are just hungrier and train harder than everyone else because he knows a lad who would know. I asked him to name one thing he knew that other counties weren't currently doing that could close the gap. He said he didn't know but that evidence from what was on the pitch was that they weren't trying hard enough.
In Meath's case I would suggest getting a manager who knows what he's doing
Meath's record at club level is abysmal, their record at underage level in this century is very poor
I'd have a look at why that is
How many Leinster titles have Meath teams won? How many Leinster finals have Meath teams even reached?
Meath have big suburban population centres - Ashbourne, Dunboyne, Ratoath, Dunshaughlin, Trim and Navan obviously - young populations
It's a wealthy county with a massive football tradition
If I was Kildare, I'd approach Jim Gavin, he's only up the road in Clondalkin, probably quicker for him to get to Newbridge than to get to Parnell Park
Do you think Jim Gavin would be able to do all the things you have mentioned above?
Jim Gavin can coach a team to a much higher standard than the incumbent
Same as Mick O'Dwyer did compared to Pat Fitzgerald and Dermot Earley and Colm Browne
Same as James Horan did compared to John O'Mahony
Same as Jim McGuinness did compared to John Joe Doherty
If Jim Gavin took over the Kildare team, the county would be electrified, every player in the county would be desperate to play
But you are talking in your post about the Club and underage system - what would Jim Gavin do there?
How these sporting monopolies usually end: the influence of the key individuals involved in creating the dominance begin to wane.
It's usually down to advancing years catching up on the players, and then one of the teams who've patiently waited for things to unravel a little, puts in a tremendous shift to the tilt the balance.
The other major factor is a tilt in hunger, desire, ambition. So younger players coming in will initially enjoy the benefits of learning just what it takes, from masters of the trade, and thrive in the environment provided to them. The benefits are instantaneous, meaning all their career ambitions tend to be achieved at an early age. It then requires a genuinely innate personal greed to sustain a complete focus in athletic pursuit, once those goals have been achieved. Moreso again in a team environment, where the vast majority of players would have to share the same greed. Which is why a 5-in-a-row doesn't happen very often, even if the age profile suggests it can.
As such the retirements of Flynn, Brogan, Connolly, McCaffrey, McAuley and O'Sullivan, plus the advancing years of Cooper, McMahon, Fitzsimmons and Andrews, along with Gavin stepping down, should at least have opened up a transition period - if not quite the end.
But all these changes have only made Dublin stronger. They are not just sustaining performance levels, they are advancing them.
So trying to understand how this is possible, should really focus on why it's even physiologically possible, in an amateur sport.
And for me, the "why?" is directly related to a Dublin infrastructure - some of it official, but most of it associated trappings - that has been created, which provides players with sufficient enough commercial rewards, that a fear of losing those rewards vastly trumps the usually mitigating emotions of boredom and fulfilled ambition.
Put simply, the life afforded to Dublin county players must be a substantially more attractive and financially rewarding life, than the lives these players otherwise would lead.
The result is that Dublin play absolutely breathtaking, almost flawless football.
Sport without flaws is a wonderful thing to experience occasionally. You can define moments in your life around seeing sporting perfection being achieved.
But when experienced regularly, sporting perfection is dull. There's no other word for it. Dull.
—-
The good news is that eventually Dublin will end up eating itself; their dominance will become so utterly frustrating and predictable, that media exposure will dry up, and sponsors will be less proactive about coughing up the rewards. And when most of the starting team have to keep an eye not just on their real job, but their long term careers too, then some semblance of normality will return.
The bad news is this process is unlikely to happen before 10 in a row.
Enjoy your success Dubs. I marvel at how simply you make the game look. But it's impossible to look forward to a championship game involving your county.
So the financial trappings (would like a link to all that) is what's making Dublin so much better?
To use Man City as an example, they should never lose a title or a match, given their financial clout
Quote from: sid waddell on December 06, 2020, 10:30:59 AM
Quote from: thejuice on December 06, 2020, 08:19:51 AM
There was a Dublin lad on Facebook telling me that the Dubs are just hungrier and train harder than everyone else because he knows a lad who would know. I asked him to name one thing he knew that other counties weren't currently doing that could close the gap. He said he didn't know but that evidence from what was on the pitch was that they weren't trying hard enough.
In Meath's case I would suggest getting a manager who knows what he's doing
Meath's record at club level is abysmal, their record at underage level in this century is very poor
I'd have a look at why that is
How many Leinster titles have Meath teams won? How many Leinster finals have Meath teams even reached?
Meath have big suburban population centres - Ashbourne, Dunboyne, Ratoath, Dunshaughlin, Trim and Navan obviously - young populations
It's a wealthy county with a massive football tradition
If I was Kildare, I'd approach Jim Gavin, he's only up the road in Clondalkin, probably quicker for him to get to Newbridge than to get to Parnell Park
Glad to be of service, sid.
To put your mind at rest, Meath has won 21 Leinsters, second to Dublin with 58.
https://leinstergaa.ie/leinster-gaa/archive/leinster-gaa-roll-honour/football-champions-roll-honour/leinster-g-s-f-c/
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 06, 2020, 12:24:18 PM
So the financial trappings (would like a link to all that) is what's making Dublin so much better?
To use Man City as an example, they should never lose a title or a match, given their financial clout
It's not the same thing MR2. Every person who features in 20 games for City will retire a multimillionaire, regardless of what happens past the current season. After a couple of seasons, their alternative life away from football is one where they never have to lift a hand again, if that way inclined, or one in which they can afford to invest heavily in anything that takes their fancy. So if they land a few major trophies, and every trapping imaginable to fall back upon, it takes a great man manager, to keep everyone focused and motivated or to make quick changes when he cannot (which is why there are so few great football managers).
Dublin players are enjoying the lifestyle of a professional athlete. They'll never get rich from it, like they could in other sports, but the current mechanisms provide the opportunity to live very comfortably while concentrating on sport. But there is no continuity available. if they stop playing, or lose their place on the panel, they will need to do something else, and probably work bloody hard, to achieve a similar lifestyle.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 06, 2020, 12:24:18 PM
So the financial trappings (would like a link to all that) is what's making Dublin so much better?
To use Man City as an example, they should never lose a title or a match, given their financial clout
How far ahead do you think Man City are of the chasing bunch in the Premiership, money wise? % wise?
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 06, 2020, 01:25:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 06, 2020, 12:24:18 PM
So the financial trappings (would like a link to all that) is what's making Dublin so much better?
To use Man City as an example, they should never lose a title or a match, given their financial clout
How far ahead do you think Man City are of the chasing bunch in the Premiership, money wise? % wise?
The EPL is professional. 6 in a row would kill TV revenue.
They spread the money around.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 06, 2020, 01:00:59 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 06, 2020, 10:30:59 AM
Quote from: thejuice on December 06, 2020, 08:19:51 AM
There was a Dublin lad on Facebook telling me that the Dubs are just hungrier and train harder than everyone else because he knows a lad who would know. I asked him to name one thing he knew that other counties weren't currently doing that could close the gap. He said he didn't know but that evidence from what was on the pitch was that they weren't trying hard enough.
In Meath's case I would suggest getting a manager who knows what he's doing
Meath's record at club level is abysmal, their record at underage level in this century is very poor
I'd have a look at why that is
How many Leinster titles have Meath teams won? How many Leinster finals have Meath teams even reached?
Meath have big suburban population centres - Ashbourne, Dunboyne, Ratoath, Dunshaughlin, Trim and Navan obviously - young populations
It's a wealthy county with a massive football tradition
If I was Kildare, I'd approach Jim Gavin, he's only up the road in Clondalkin, probably quicker for him to get to Newbridge than to get to Parnell Park
Glad to be of service, sid.
To put your mind at rest, Meath has won 21 Leinsters, second to Dublin with 58.
https://leinstergaa.ie/leinster-gaa/archive/leinster-gaa-roll-honour/football-champions-roll-honour/leinster-g-s-f-c/
Now, now, you're just being sarky
How many Leinster titles have Meath won at club level?
Dunshaughlin won one around 2002, I think Graham Reilly's team got through to a junior or intermediate All-Ireland final the other year, apart from that I can't remember anything
Meath teams routinely go out in the first round in the Leinster SFC
The standard of club football there seems low and the interest seems very low, I think about 1k attended a recent final, one of the ones Navan O'Mahony's won
Yiz are all jealous
Sore losers
Kildare should get a decent manager
Colm O'Rourke was basically pushing the Homer Simpson line - if something is too difficult, quit
Meath should concentrate
Quote from: sid waddell on December 06, 2020, 02:14:00 PM
The standard of club football there seems low and the interest seems very low, I think about 1k attended a recent final, one of the ones Navan O'Mahony's won
2,600 it was, more than 1k but still very poor for a county final
https://www.meathchronicle.ie/2015/10/26/omahonys-retain-keegan-cup/
Quote from: seafoid on December 06, 2020, 02:21:21 PM
Yiz are all jealous
Sore losers
Kildare should get a decent manager
Colm O'Rourke was basically pushing the Homer Simpson line - if something is too difficult, quit
Meath should concentrate
You've actually pretty much hit the nail on the head there
The loser's mentality on this board is quite frightening
As Pat Spillane said a few years ago, winners worry about winning, losers worry about winners
Quote from: thewobbler on December 06, 2020, 01:17:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 06, 2020, 12:24:18 PM
So the financial trappings (would like a link to all that) is what's making Dublin so much better?
To use Man City as an example, they should never lose a title or a match, given their financial clout
It's not the same thing MR2. Every person who features in 20 games for City will retire a multimillionaire, regardless of what happens past the current season. After a couple of seasons, their alternative life away from football is one where they never have to lift a hand again, if that way inclined, or one in which they can afford to invest heavily in anything that takes their fancy. So if they land a few major trophies, and every trapping imaginable to fall back upon, it takes a great man manager, to keep everyone focused and motivated or to make quick changes when he cannot (which is why there are so few great football managers).
Dublin players are enjoying the lifestyle of a professional athlete. They'll never get rich from it, like they could in other sports, but the current mechanisms provide the opportunity to live very comfortably while concentrating on sport. But there is no continuity available. if they stop playing, or lose their place on the panel, they will need to do something else, and probably work bloody hard, to achieve a similar lifestyle.
Non of the Dublin players are better because of Dublin being financially better than the rest. They are better because of what they do on the pitch, end off.
I'm bored of the gurning. They have a bigger pick, have always had a bigger pick, they have a bigger pick in hurling also, they won't be winning any Liam McCarthys soon.
They are blessed by being based in Dublin, are you complaining about their location? That's just the way it is.
Playing better football is down to a few factors.
Training, strength conditioning, dietary, physio's, tactics, commitment, attitude. Having the use of Croke or the population has always been available to them.
Whatever they have done in mobilising the GAA fraternity in Dublin needs to be copied.
At the start of Dublin's rise I would have labelled them gym bunny's, physically big strong mobile, what they lacked was craft skill tactics, they've sharpened up those areas.
But money can't buy any of that, they are able to get their best players playing for the county. I can't remember Antrim (as an example) ever having all their best players available, I don't know what it's like for other counties.
Dividing Dublin into two is stupid, every All Ireland won after that split would be viewed with an question mark
The All Ireland inter Co SFC used to be the most successful sporting competition in Ireland.
Now that it's the preserve of 1 County it is fast becoming an irrelevance like the Leinster SFC has become.
If that's what GAA officialdom and its mealy mouthed followers want then fine
Of ye go but "include me out".
Quote from: Rossfan on December 06, 2020, 02:57:02 PM
The All Ireland inter Co SFC used to be the most successful sporting competition in Ireland.
Now that it's the preserve of 1 County it is fast becoming an irrelevance like the Leinster SFC has become.
If that's what GAA officialdom and its mealy mouthed followers want then fine
Of ye go but "include me out".
Christ you are pathetic...
Used to be? Was it only good when Dublin didn't win? Was Kerry's domination an irrelevance in Munster? Cavan have 40 Ulster titles they dominated for years. Back in the day, things change, sitting on your hole and gurning about it won't bring about change.
If you are part of a club and a member you can put in proposals towards change, instead of throwing your toys out of the pram put forward some of your ideas, rest assured there won't be one county asking to split Dublin.
equal funding is the way, but giving Leitrim the same money as Dublin seems a bit ott
Quote from: sid waddell on December 06, 2020, 02:24:10 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 06, 2020, 02:21:21 PM
Yiz are all jealous
Sore losers
Kildare should get a decent manager
Colm O'Rourke was basically pushing the Homer Simpson line - if something is too difficult, quit
Meath should concentrate
You've actually pretty much hit the nail on the head there
The loser's mentality on this board is quite frightening
As Pat Spillane said a few years ago, winners worry about winning, losers worry about winners
Wexford are an example of a county getting their act together. For years they were whipping boys for Kilkenny in the Leinster championship and were going nowhere. The county board put in structures to improve underage hurling in the county and got former county players involved in the plan.
They did this 5/6 years ago and are now seeing the benefits of this. For alot of posters here that kind of long term planning would take too long and would require initiative and hard work from county. Instead it's all about weakening Dublin as being better than everyone else is somehow unfair
Quote from: thewobbler on December 06, 2020, 11:45:22 AM
How these sporting monopolies usually end: the influence of the key individuals involved in creating the dominance begin to wane.
It's usually down to advancing years catching up on the players, and then one of the teams who've patiently waited for things to unravel a little, puts in a tremendous shift to the tilt the balance.
The other major factor is a tilt in hunger, desire, ambition. So younger players coming in will initially enjoy the benefits of learning just what it takes, from masters of the trade, and thrive in the environment provided to them. The benefits are instantaneous, meaning all their career ambitions tend to be achieved at an early age. It then requires a genuinely innate personal greed to sustain a complete focus in athletic pursuit, once those goals have been achieved. Moreso again in a team environment, where the vast majority of players would have to share the same greed. Which is why a 5-in-a-row doesn't happen very often, even if the age profile suggests it can.
As such the retirements of Flynn, Brogan, Connolly, McCaffrey, McAuley and O'Sullivan, plus the advancing years of Cooper, McMahon, Fitzsimmons and Andrews, along with Gavin stepping down, should at least have opened up a transition period - if not quite the end.
But all these changes have only made Dublin stronger. They are not just sustaining performance levels, they are advancing them.
So trying to understand how this is possible, should really focus on why it's even physiologically possible, in an amateur sport.
And for me, the "why?" is directly related to a Dublin infrastructure - some of it official, but most of it associated trappings - that has been created, which provides players with sufficient enough commercial rewards, that a fear of losing those rewards vastly trumps the usually mitigating emotions of boredom and fulfilled ambition.
Put simply, the life afforded to Dublin county players must be a substantially more attractive and financially rewarding life, than the lives these players otherwise would lead.
The result is that Dublin play absolutely breathtaking, almost flawless football.
Sport without flaws is a wonderful thing to experience occasionally. You can define moments in your life around seeing sporting perfection being achieved.
But when experienced regularly, sporting perfection is dull. There's no other word for it. Dull.
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The good news is that eventually Dublin will end up eating itself; their dominance will become so utterly frustrating and predictable, that media exposure will dry up, and sponsors will be less proactive about coughing up the rewards. And when most of the starting team have to keep an eye not just on their real job, but their long term careers too, then some semblance of normality will return.
The bad news is this process is unlikely to happen before 10 in a row.
Enjoy your success Dubs. I marvel at how simply you make the game look. But it's impossible to look forward to a championship game involving your county.
https://youtu.be/lsO_SlA7E8k
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 06, 2020, 03:14:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 06, 2020, 02:57:02 PM
The All Ireland inter Co SFC used to be the most successful sporting competition in Ireland.
Now that it's the preserve of 1 County it is fast becoming an irrelevance like the Leinster SFC has become.
If that's what GAA officialdom and its mealy mouthed followers want then fine
Of ye go but "include me out".
Christ you are pathetic...
Used to be? Was it only good when Dublin didn't win? Was Kerry's domination an irrelevance in Munster? Cavan have 40 Ulster titles they dominated for years. Back in the day, things change, sitting on your hole and gurning about it won't bring about change.
If you are part of a club and a member you can put in proposals towards change, instead of throwing your toys out of the pram put forward some of your ideas, rest assured there won't be one county asking to split Dublin.
equal funding is the way, but giving Leitrim the same money as Dublin seems a bit ott
Pathetic is Antrim being the worst County football team in Ulster.
I suspect any County Convention having a motion to split Dublin will see a phone call coming from Croke Park..."Remember that oul grant or that debt we bailed ye out of..."
Quote from: Rossfan on December 06, 2020, 05:29:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 06, 2020, 03:14:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 06, 2020, 02:57:02 PM
The All Ireland inter Co SFC used to be the most successful sporting competition in Ireland.
Now that it's the preserve of 1 County it is fast becoming an irrelevance like the Leinster SFC has become.
If that's what GAA officialdom and its mealy mouthed followers want then fine
Of ye go but "include me out".
Christ you are pathetic...
Used to be? Was it only good when Dublin didn't win? Was Kerry's domination an irrelevance in Munster? Cavan have 40 Ulster titles they dominated for years. Back in the day, things change, sitting on your hole and gurning about it won't bring about change.
If you are part of a club and a member you can put in proposals towards change, instead of throwing your toys out of the pram put forward some of your ideas, rest assured there won't be one county asking to split Dublin.
equal funding is the way, but giving Leitrim the same money as Dublin seems a bit ott
Pathetic is Antrim being the worst County football team in Ulster.
I suspect any County Convention having a motion to split Dublin will see a phone call coming from Croke Park..."Remember that oul grant or that debt we bailed ye out of..."
We are a hurling county sure...
But if it makes you feel better about the state of your own county football and the state of football in general that's fine ;D
So to go with my question again, why don't you do something about it? I feel that you've not kicked a ball before and not actually associated with a club
Quote from: sid waddell on December 06, 2020, 10:30:59 AM
Quote from: thejuice on December 06, 2020, 08:19:51 AM
There was a Dublin lad on Facebook telling me that the Dubs are just hungrier and train harder than everyone else because he knows a lad who would know. I asked him to name one thing he knew that other counties weren't currently doing that could close the gap. He said he didn't know but that evidence from what was on the pitch was that they weren't trying hard enough.
In Meath's case I would suggest getting a manager who knows what he's doing
Meath's record at club level is abysmal, their record at underage level in this century is very poor
I'd have a look at why that is
How many Leinster titles have Meath teams won? How many Leinster finals have Meath teams even reached?
Meath have big suburban population centres - Ashbourne, Dunboyne, Ratoath, Dunshaughlin, Trim and Navan obviously - young populations
It's a wealthy county with a massive football tradition
If I was Kildare, I'd approach Jim Gavin, he's only up the road in Clondalkin, probably quicker for him to get to Newbridge than to get to Parnell Park
We have the most successful Meath manager in the last 20 years. Anyone else you can name that could do a better job. We have ex pro rugby players doing S&C and even that has brought us on quite a bit from what I can see.
Achievements at club level in Leinster and the All Ireland haven't had much reflection on inter county success in Meath. This is something that has been talked to death in the county but perhaps it reflects upon the fact that we don't have one strong club that dominates like Crossmaglen, Corafin or Dr Crokes.
Our under achievement at underage is well documented and measures to address this have been on going in the county for well over a decade. There are lads in the panel now who have all beaten Dublin at minor level and we've done it again recently. Still miles behind at senior level.
I can accept the fact that Dublin are better than us in many factors and they have a super team for sure but for someone to say we aren't trying is what's sickening to hear when you know all that is being done across the county and the funding that's gone into it, which has come from grassroots up a lot of it, is far beyond what I think is reasonable for an amateur sport and yet still to be so far off Dublin is so disheartening.
I honestly don't know what is the fairest way to redress the imbalance, but even those who remember dominant Kerry teams know that they didn't blow everyone out the gate. This is something else altogether if you are on your way to a 6th All Ireland in a row and you win every game by more than 10 points.
our set up is light years ahead of what it was during the glory years. To be so many years working on improving ourselves to get back to the top 4 or 5 teams and to be so easily dismissed makes you question it all. Perhaps this was a long time coming but it was inevitable and perhaps most likely that Dublin would be the team to do it based on geography and demographics.
Quote from: thejuice on December 06, 2020, 10:07:12 PM
We have the most successful Meath manager in the last 20 years. Anyone else you can name that could do a better job. We have ex pro rugby players doing S&C and even that has brought us on quite a bit from what I can see.
Achievements at club level in Leinster and the All Ireland haven't had much reflection on inter county success in Meath. This is something that has been talked to death in the county but perhaps it reflects upon the fact that we don't have one strong club that dominates like Crossmaglen, Corafin or Dr Crokes.
Our under achievement at underage is well documented and measures to address this have been on going in the county for well over a decade. There are lads in the panel now who have all beaten Dublin at minor level and we've done it again recently. Still miles behind at senior level.
I can accept the fact that Dublin are better than us in many factors and they have a super team for sure but for someone to say we aren't trying is what's sickening to hear when you know all that is being done across the county and the funding that's gone into it, which has come from grassroots up a lot of it, is far beyond what I think is reasonable for an amateur sport and yet still to be so far off Dublin is so disheartening.
I honestly don't know what is the fairest way to redress the imbalance, but even those who remember dominant Kerry teams know that they didn't blow everyone out the gate. This is something else altogether if you are on your way to a 6th All Ireland in a row and you win every game by more than 10 points.
our set up is light years ahead of what it was during the glory years. To be so many years working on improving ourselves to get back to the top 4 or 5 teams and to be so easily dismissed makes you question it all. Perhaps this was a long time coming but it was inevitable and perhaps most likely that Dublin would be the team to do it based on geography and demographics.
McEntee is club standard, he may be able to get to certain level of organisation which may be miles ahead of what it was 20 years ago - but the top counties have galloped ahead to much greater degree than that - and he's miles off the top standard
I think Malachy O'Rourke would be a very good fit for Meath, the sort of position Monaghan were in when he came in is similar to the position Meath are in at the moment, he is excellent at improving teams and players
In terms of club, all you ask is that the Meath champions be competitive in Leinster, but that hasn't been the case for a long time
Mayo's strength stems from their underage set up and the strength of their club scenes, these have been neglected in Meath
I suspect Meath are one of those counties who had success with an old proper school set up with Boylan and the folk memory of that took a long time to wear off - the Meath way of doing things
Meath suddenly got left behind in 2002 when the Ulster counties changed the game
Offaly have been in a similar predicament for many years, they had a particular image of themselves as a GAA county, they were seduced by the legend of Seamus Darby, and mavericks like John Troy just showing up and doing their thing, and Johnny Pilkington going down the pub for three pints the night before All-Ireland finals - which is not their only problem but it has been a problem I think
Down, Derry and Galway fell behind for similar reasons
Quote from: sid waddell on December 06, 2020, 11:17:52 PM
Quote from: thejuice on December 06, 2020, 10:07:12 PM
We have the most successful Meath manager in the last 20 years. Anyone else you can name that could do a better job. We have ex pro rugby players doing S&C and even that has brought us on quite a bit from what I can see.
Achievements at club level in Leinster and the All Ireland haven't had much reflection on inter county success in Meath. This is something that has been talked to death in the county but perhaps it reflects upon the fact that we don't have one strong club that dominates like Crossmaglen, Corafin or Dr Crokes.
Our under achievement at underage is well documented and measures to address this have been on going in the county for well over a decade. There are lads in the panel now who have all beaten Dublin at minor level and we've done it again recently. Still miles behind at senior level.
I can accept the fact that Dublin are better than us in many factors and they have a super team for sure but for someone to say we aren't trying is what's sickening to hear when you know all that is being done across the county and the funding that's gone into it, which has come from grassroots up a lot of it, is far beyond what I think is reasonable for an amateur sport and yet still to be so far off Dublin is so disheartening.
I honestly don't know what is the fairest way to redress the imbalance, but even those who remember dominant Kerry teams know that they didn't blow everyone out the gate. This is something else altogether if you are on your way to a 6th All Ireland in a row and you win every game by more than 10 points.
our set up is light years ahead of what it was during the glory years. To be so many years working on improving ourselves to get back to the top 4 or 5 teams and to be so easily dismissed makes you question it all. Perhaps this was a long time coming but it was inevitable and perhaps most likely that Dublin would be the team to do it based on geography and demographics.
McEntee is club standard, he may be able to get to certain level of organisation which may be miles ahead of what it was 20 years ago - but the top counties have galloped ahead to much greater degree than that - and he's miles off the top standard
I think Malachy O'Rourke would be a very good fit for Meath, the sort of position Monaghan were in when he came in is similar to the position Meath are in at the moment, he is excellent at improving teams and players
In terms of club, all you ask is that the Meath champions be competitive in Leinster, but that hasn't been the case for a long time
Mayo's strength stems from their underage set up and the strength of their club scenes, these have been neglected in Meath
I suspect Meath are one of those counties who had success with an old proper school set up with Boylan and the folk memory of that took a long time to wear off - the Meath way of doing things
Meath suddenly got left behind in 2002 when the Ulster counties changed the game
Offaly have been in a similar predicament for many years, they had a particular image of themselves as a GAA county, they were seduced by the legend of Seamus Darby, and mavericks like John Troy just showing up and doing their thing, and Johnny Pilkington going down the pub for three pints the night before All-Ireland finals - which is not their only problem but it has been a problem I think
Down, Derry and Galway fell behind for similar reasons
"Down, Derry and Galway fell behind for similar reasons"
Write 2 pages on it, Sid
There is a cycle of failure and success for second line teams such as Down, Meath , Galway, Cork etc.
They can go for 20 years without winning and then find a team that goes all.the way.
The easiest way to build a winning team is to graft young players onto older winners/ players with experience. Donegal have been using this approach. Meath did this in 96.
It is much harder to start from.nothing. Meath and Galway are doing this. Down did it in 91.
Wo Helden nicht vergessen werden kommen neue Helden is German. It means that where winners are remembered new ones will emerge.
So when Down have a decent team they can win the All Ireland.
Normally a top notch second line team can beat the first line teams but if the first line team is exceptional they may have to wait
The other feature of the All Iteland is teams learning their stuff before winning the prize.
Eg Cork 2007-10.
Under normal circumstances, Tyrone and Mayo would probably have won Sam in the last decade. Dublin would have faded away at some point. Meath or Kildare would have taken over in Leinster. But Japanese knotweed is in charge and there is no point in castigating counties for not having enough access to sunlight.
Its hard to debate something when the various parties can't even agree what the problem is.
To me, this is simply an issue of Dublin finally getting their shit together and making their massive potential pool of talent count. When you have one third of the population of the country, you SHOULD be utterly dominating. Its to Dublin GAA's credit that they have finally arrived at this point after the decades of failure.
But it also makes the solution fairly simple now that they have finally started reaching their potential and sustaining that level. A split, so that the overwhelming advantage in terms of numbers that is driving this is at least somewhat mitigated. There's nothing much can be done about the convenience of being a Dublin player or fan, apart from maybe moving their AI semi-final or League Final to Thurles or Clones or wherever.
With a population pick no longer 5-10 times that of most of their rivals, THEN you can prattle on about organization and dedication. You can be as organized, dedicated and well-coached as you like, but if you don't have the same talented athletes to draw from, there's not much you can do when you come up against someone like Dublin.
The other counties are always going to be on some form of boom-bust cycle given their picks, no matter how organized and dedicated they are.
Quote from: J70 on December 07, 2020, 04:03:54 PM
Its hard to debate something when the various parties can't even agree what the problem is.
To me, this is simply an issue of Dublin finally getting their shit together and making their massive potential pool of talent count. When you have one third of the population of the country, you SHOULD be utterly dominating. Its to Dublin GAA's credit that they have finally arrived at this point after the decades of failure.
But it also makes the solution fairly simple now that they have finally started reaching their potential and sustaining that level. A split, so that the overwhelming advantage in terms of numbers that is driving this is at least somewhat mitigated. There's nothing much can be done about the convenience of being a Dublin player or fan, apart from maybe moving their AI semi-final or League Final to Thurles or Clones or wherever.
With a population pick no longer 5-10 times that of most of their rivals, THEN you can prattle on about organization and dedication. You can be as organized, dedicated and well-coached as you like, but if you don't have the same talented athletes to draw from, there's not much you can do when you come up against someone like Dublin.
The other counties are always going to be on some form of boom-bust cycle given their picks, no matter how organized and dedicated they are.
Splitting Dublin on the basis of their massive population would potentially not only be great for the association but great for Dublin . The status quo will eventually destroy Dublin. The brilliant development of quality players in Dublin, will
Mean that loads of great players will have little chance of playing at the top level. Dublin's unprecedented dominance has become boring for non-Dubs , but also fir Dubs,
Dublin , correctly, argued for extra central funding, on the basis of overall GAA benefit. The overall GAA benefit of splitting Dublin can now also be argued. This has serious potential to develop the GAA in the capital ....more county players, novel pairings, more matches.
The status quo makes no sense for AI championship but particularly no sense for GAA in the capital
Quote from: 6th sam on December 07, 2020, 07:03:15 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 07, 2020, 04:03:54 PM
Its hard to debate something when the various parties can't even agree what the problem is.
To me, this is simply an issue of Dublin finally getting their shit together and making their massive potential pool of talent count. When you have one third of the population of the country, you SHOULD be utterly dominating. Its to Dublin GAA's credit that they have finally arrived at this point after the decades of failure.
But it also makes the solution fairly simple now that they have finally started reaching their potential and sustaining that level. A split, so that the overwhelming advantage in terms of numbers that is driving this is at least somewhat mitigated. There's nothing much can be done about the convenience of being a Dublin player or fan, apart from maybe moving their AI semi-final or League Final to Thurles or Clones or wherever.
With a population pick no longer 5-10 times that of most of their rivals, THEN you can prattle on about organization and dedication. You can be as organized, dedicated and well-coached as you like, but if you don't have the same talented athletes to draw from, there's not much you can do when you come up against someone like Dublin.
The other counties are always going to be on some form of boom-bust cycle given their picks, no matter how organized and dedicated they are.
Splitting Dublin on the basis of their massive population would potentially not only be great for the association but great for Dublin . The status quo will eventually destroy Dublin. The brilliant development of quality players in Dublin, will
Mean that loads of great players will have little chance of playing at the top level. Dublin's unprecedented dominance has become boring for non-Dubs , but also fir Dubs,
Dublin , correctly, argued for extra central funding, on the basis of overall GAA benefit. The overall GAA benefit of splitting Dublin can now also be argued. This has serious potential to develop the GAA in the capital ....more county players, novel pairings, more matches.
The status quo makes no sense for AI championship but particularly no sense for GAA in the capital
That's not how people in Dublin see it
The only way a split could happen is if it becomes so inevitable that there is obviously no alternative - like a united Ireland situation becoming inevitable in reverse - say, if Dublin win 20 All-Irelands in a row and nobody can come within 10 or 15 points of them in a final for a decade
We are nowhere near that and we are highly unlikely to ever get to that point and there are loads of common sense measures that can be undertaken to enhance a competitive championship before then
If you tried to force a split on Dublin before that of sort case scenario arrives, it would cause the biggest civil war Irish sport has ever seen, it would be like 100 Saipans, and it would probably destroy GAA in Dublin, for many years at least
People have no idea what they're talking about here in relation to this
Quote from: sid waddell on December 07, 2020, 11:40:48 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on December 07, 2020, 07:03:15 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 07, 2020, 04:03:54 PM
Its hard to debate something when the various parties can't even agree what the problem is.
To me, this is simply an issue of Dublin finally getting their shit together and making their massive potential pool of talent count. When you have one third of the population of the country, you SHOULD be utterly dominating. Its to Dublin GAA's credit that they have finally arrived at this point after the decades of failure.
But it also makes the solution fairly simple now that they have finally started reaching their potential and sustaining that level. A split, so that the overwhelming advantage in terms of numbers that is driving this is at least somewhat mitigated. There's nothing much can be done about the convenience of being a Dublin player or fan, apart from maybe moving their AI semi-final or League Final to Thurles or Clones or wherever.
With a population pick no longer 5-10 times that of most of their rivals, THEN you can prattle on about organization and dedication. You can be as organized, dedicated and well-coached as you like, but if you don't have the same talented athletes to draw from, there's not much you can do when you come up against someone like Dublin.
The other counties are always going to be on some form of boom-bust cycle given their picks, no matter how organized and dedicated they are.
Splitting Dublin on the basis of their massive population would potentially not only be great for the association but great for Dublin . The status quo will eventually destroy Dublin. The brilliant development of quality players in Dublin, will
Mean that loads of great players will have little chance of playing at the top level. Dublin's unprecedented dominance has become boring for non-Dubs , but also fir Dubs,
Dublin , correctly, argued for extra central funding, on the basis of overall GAA benefit. The overall GAA benefit of splitting Dublin can now also be argued. This has serious potential to develop the GAA in the capital ....more county players, novel pairings, more matches.
The status quo makes no sense for AI championship but particularly no sense for GAA in the capital
That's not how people in Dublin see it
The only way a split could happen is if it becomes so inevitable that there is obviously no alternative - like a united Ireland situation becoming inevitable in reverse - say, if Dublin win 20 All-Irelands in a row and nobody can come within 10 or 15 points of them in a final for a decade
We are nowhere near that and we are highly unlikely to ever get to that point and there are loads of common sense measures that can be undertaken to enhance a competitive championship before then
If you tried to force a split on Dublin before that of sort case scenario arrives, it would cause the biggest civil war Irish sport has ever seen, it would be like 100 Saipans, and it would probably destroy GAA in Dublin, for many years at least
People have no idea what they're talking about here in relation to this
It was only 15 a week ago! Suppose with six looking good it's time to push the boat out a bit further.
But if we get near either of those numbers intercounty football is over. And the GAA as we know it is over. 100 Saipans in Dublin GAA wouldn't be so bad by comparison.
Quote from: sid waddell on December 06, 2020, 11:17:52 PM
Quote from: thejuice on December 06, 2020, 10:07:12 PM
We have the most successful Meath manager in the last 20 years. Anyone else you can name that could do a better job. We have ex pro rugby players doing S&C and even that has brought us on quite a bit from what I can see.
Achievements at club level in Leinster and the All Ireland haven't had much reflection on inter county success in Meath. This is something that has been talked to death in the county but perhaps it reflects upon the fact that we don't have one strong club that dominates like Crossmaglen, Corafin or Dr Crokes.
Our under achievement at underage is well documented and measures to address this have been on going in the county for well over a decade. There are lads in the panel now who have all beaten Dublin at minor level and we've done it again recently. Still miles behind at senior level.
I can accept the fact that Dublin are better than us in many factors and they have a super team for sure but for someone to say we aren't trying is what's sickening to hear when you know all that is being done across the county and the funding that's gone into it, which has come from grassroots up a lot of it, is far beyond what I think is reasonable for an amateur sport and yet still to be so far off Dublin is so disheartening.
I honestly don't know what is the fairest way to redress the imbalance, but even those who remember dominant Kerry teams know that they didn't blow everyone out the gate. This is something else altogether if you are on your way to a 6th All Ireland in a row and you win every game by more than 10 points.
our set up is light years ahead of what it was during the glory years. To be so many years working on improving ourselves to get back to the top 4 or 5 teams and to be so easily dismissed makes you question it all. Perhaps this was a long time coming but it was inevitable and perhaps most likely that Dublin would be the team to do it based on geography and demographics.
Mayo's strength stems from their underage set up and the strength of their club scenes, these have been neglected in Meath
Does it though? Mayo have only won 2 of the last 11 Connacht U-20 titles and 1 of the last 5 Connacht minor titles. Galway have won 9 between both grades and Roscommon have won 4. Mayo clubs have only won 2 of the last 12 Connacht senior club titles.
You could argue they've been efficient in that they turned just 3 Connacht titles at underage into 2 All-Ireland titles in recent years. Mayo are obviously doing something right but they are not clearing up at underage even in Connacht, let alone nationally.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kevin-mcstay-how-stiff-will-mayo-test-be-for-omnipotent-dublin-1.4429796
Because this is not a once-in-a-generation Dublin team. That illusion has been shattered. From 2011 there were only three starters on Saturday evening and from the 2015 All-Ireland final team, only six starters remain. That gives you a sense of how this 'team' has evolved in personnel.
What they share, this extended group, is an addiction to winning - and by as much as possible. They have sustained a level of excellence. Look at their winning averages on the way to finals: in 2011 it was 3.8. By 2013 it was 10.2. In 2015 it was 13.2. In 2017 it was 14.8. This year it is a massive 17.5 points average.
They ask, not unreasonably: what about Kerry's domination? What about Kilkenny?
Well, to begin with neither county got almost €18 million in games development and coaching grants over an 11-year period. And as we have outlined, this is not one generation of players. It was in Kerry and Kilkenny.
It's about Dublin as an entity. And I feel a debate, led by GAA management, has to commence immediately. There has to be an acceptance that there is a problem and that it will require out of the box thinking to resolve it. Or else it will not be resolved.
There will be a lot of column inches and podcasts devoted to this over the coming weeks. A lot of positions are entrenched. This all originated in a GAA sponsored effort to 'fix' the Dublin situation. Well, now they have fixed Dublin but the competition is broken.
Fortunately, Mayo-Dublin finals have been so riveting, they have glossed over so much of what went before.
Dublin will never be split and counties will not amalgamate, so I invite everyone to return from Fairy land to the real world.
What could be done.
- Centralised sponsorship. GAA central take control of all sponsorship deals. For example AIG, Kingspan and whoever goes into a central pot and is distributed equally to all counties.
- No change to development grants, more people in Dublin need more facilities. Punishing the kids in schools in Dublin is not a solution I want part of.
- Get Dublin out of Croke Park. I am stealing this from the "wearecavan" podcast. The suggestion is that in league every team has 7 games. You play 3 at home, 3 away and 1 you get to play in Croke Park. The dubs should play in Parnell Park and if it is not big enough they can either 1) Develop a new ground or 2) Look to play somewhere else. Forget the money lost to Croke park, it makes multiples more money on corporate events than matches anyway.
Those 3 will level the playing field. Then I say counties should get their own shit together.
Quote from: Itchy on December 08, 2020, 01:32:09 PM
Dublin will never be split and counties will not amalgamate, so I invite everyone to return from Fairy land to the real world.
What could be done.
- Centralised sponsorship. GAA central take control of all sponsorship deals. For example AIG, Kingspan and whoever goes into a central pot and is distributed equally to all counties.
- No change to development grants, more people in Dublin need more facilities. Punishing the kids in schools in Dublin is not a solution I want part of.
- Get Dublin out of Croke Park. I am stealing this from the "wearecavan" podcast. The suggestion is that in league every team has 7 games. You play 3 at home, 3 away and 1 you get to play in Croke Park. The dubs should play in Parnell Park and if it is not big enough they can either 1) Develop a new ground or 2) Look to play somewhere else. Forget the money lost to Croke park, it makes multiples more money on corporate events than matches anyway.
Those 3 will level the playing field. Then I say counties should get their own shit together.
Would be difficult for sponsors, in that they are and want to be associated with lets say Dublin alone, its their money and they would like it with Dublin only, that way their brand will be at the forefront at the business end of things, lowering the money or sharing it may reduce the brand.
A possible way around that is a cap on the counties, so if sponsorships exceed that cap, then there is less money give by CC to the county to even things up..
No reason why Croke shouldn't only be used for finals, NL and other finals..
Semi finals can be used around the country, Casement (when it gets going) Cork and Limerick, Thurles and so on can be used.
Parnell can have a make over, wouldn't cost that much to Dublin if listening to the amounts they get. I did enjoy the spring games in Croke and went a few times, but I get the point on 'home' venue.
Money should be matched on the playing population, extra money required to develop training grounds, no reason why Tyrone should have better facilities than Longford.
Once that is done as Itchy has said, development at grassroots and through the schools is important, lose them young and they are lost forever..
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 08, 2020, 01:48:06 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 08, 2020, 01:32:09 PM
Dublin will never be split and counties will not amalgamate, so I invite everyone to return from Fairy land to the real world.
What could be done.
- Centralised sponsorship. GAA central take control of all sponsorship deals. For example AIG, Kingspan and whoever goes into a central pot and is distributed equally to all counties.
- No change to development grants, more people in Dublin need more facilities. Punishing the kids in schools in Dublin is not a solution I want part of.
- Get Dublin out of Croke Park. I am stealing this from the "wearecavan" podcast. The suggestion is that in league every team has 7 games. You play 3 at home, 3 away and 1 you get to play in Croke Park. The dubs should play in Parnell Park and if it is not big enough they can either 1) Develop a new ground or 2) Look to play somewhere else. Forget the money lost to Croke park, it makes multiples more money on corporate events than matches anyway.
Those 3 will level the playing field. Then I say counties should get their own shit together.
Would be difficult for sponsors, in that they are and want to be associated with lets say Dublin alone, its their money and they would like it with Dublin only, that way their brand will be at the forefront at the business end of things, lowering the money or sharing it may reduce the brand.
A possible way around that is a cap on the counties, so if sponsorships exceed that cap, then there is less money give by CC to the county to even things up..
No reason why Croke shouldn't only be used for finals, NL and other finals..
Semi finals can be used around the country, Casement (when it gets going) Cork and Limerick, Thurles and so on can be used.
Parnell can have a make over, wouldn't cost that much to Dublin if listening to the amounts they get. I did enjoy the spring games in Croke and went a few times, but I get the point on 'home' venue.
Money should be matched on the playing population, extra money required to develop training grounds, no reason why Tyrone should have better facilities than Longford.
Once that is done as Itchy has said, development at grassroots and through the schools is important, lose them young and they are lost forever..
Well this is my thinkning Milltown. GAA give out the Dublin Jersey to tender, AIG and BOI and whoever bid on it. Lets say they agree 3 year deal worth 50m. The 50m goes back into the pot. Then the GAA take the next county Jersey and put it out and Mayo gets Horkans or whatever for 10m. It goes back into the central Pot and so forth. So the big boys can sponsor who they want but the money goes to HQ to distribute.
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Its hard to debate something when the various parties can't even agree what the problem is.
To me, this is simply an issue of Dublin finally getting their shit together and making their massive potential pool of talent count. When you have one third of the population of the country, you SHOULD be utterly dominating. Its to Dublin GAA's credit that they have finally arrived at this point after the decades of failure.
But it also makes the solution fairly simple now that they have finally started reaching their potential and sustaining that level. A split, so that the overwhelming advantage in terms of numbers that is driving this is at least somewhat mitigated. There's nothing much can be done about the convenience of being a Dublin player or fan, apart from maybe moving their AI semi-final or League Final to Thurles or Clones or wherever.
With a population pick no longer 5-10 times that of most of their rivals, THEN you can prattle on about organization and dedication. You can be as organized, dedicated and well-coached as you like, but if you don't have the same talented athletes to draw from, there's not much you can do when you come up against someone like Dublin.
The other counties are always going to be on some form of boom-bust cycle given their picks, no matter how organized and dedicated they are.
Splitting Dublin on the basis of their massive population would potentially not only be great for the association but great for Dublin . The status quo will eventually destroy Dublin. The brilliant development of quality players in Dublin, will
Mean that loads of great players will have little chance of playing at the top level. Dublin's unprecedented dominance has become boring for non-Dubs , but also fir Dubs,
Dublin , correctly, argued for extra central funding, on the basis of overall GAA benefit. The overall GAA benefit of splitting Dublin can now also be argued. This has serious potential to develop the GAA in the capital ....more county players, novel pairings, more matches.
The status quo makes no sense for AI championship but particularly no sense for GAA in the capital
That's not how people in Dublin see it
The only way a split could happen is if it becomes so inevitable that there is obviously no alternative - like a united Ireland situation becoming inevitable in reverse - say, if Dublin win 20 All-Irelands in a row and nobody can come within 10 or 15 points of them in a final for a decade
We are nowhere near that and we are highly unlikely to ever get to that point and there are loads of common sense measures that can be undertaken to enhance a competitive championship before then
If you tried to force a split on Dublin before that of sort case scenario arrives, it would cause the biggest civil war Irish sport has ever seen, it would be like 100 Saipans, and it would probably destroy GAA in Dublin, for many years at least
People have no idea what they're talking about here in relation to this
Let's not set the bar TOO low! ;D
Quote from: seafoid on December 08, 2020, 12:06:41 PM
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Because this is not a once-in-a-generation Dublin team. That illusion has been shattered. From 2011 there were only three starters on Saturday evening and from the 2015 All-Ireland final team, only six starters remain. That gives you a sense of how
How many Kilkenny players started both the 2000 and 2009 All-Ireland hurling finals?
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 02:21:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 08, 2020, 12:06:41 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kevin-mcstay-how-stiff-will-mayo-test-be-for-omnipotent-dublin-1.4429796
Because this is not a once-in-a-generation Dublin team. That illusion has been shattered. From 2011 there were only three starters on Saturday evening and from the 2015 All-Ireland final team, only six starters remain. That gives you a sense of how
How many Kilkenny players started both the 2000 and 2009 All-Ireland hurling finals?
Google it. But your point is meaningless.
Kilkenny don't go banging on about a once in a lifetime team. Dubs do.
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We have the most successful Meath manager in the last 20 years. Anyone else you can name that could do a better job. We have ex pro rugby players doing S&C and even that has brought us on quite a bit from what I can see.
Achievements at club level in Leinster and the All Ireland haven't had much reflection on inter county success in Meath. This is something that has been talked to death in the county but perhaps it reflects upon the fact that we don't have one strong club that dominates like Crossmaglen, Corafin or Dr Crokes.
Our under achievement at underage is well documented and measures to address this have been on going in the county for well over a decade. There are lads in the panel now who have all beaten Dublin at minor level and we've done it again recently. Still miles behind at senior level.
I can accept the fact that Dublin are better than us in many factors and they have a super team for sure but for someone to say we aren't trying is what's sickening to hear when you know all that is being done across the county and the funding that's gone into it, which has come from grassroots up a lot of it, is far beyond what I think is reasonable for an amateur sport and yet still to be so far off Dublin is so disheartening.
I honestly don't know what is the fairest way to redress the imbalance, but even those who remember dominant Kerry teams know that they didn't blow everyone out the gate. This is something else altogether if you are on your way to a 6th All Ireland in a row and you win every game by more than 10 points.
our set up is light years ahead of what it was during the glory years. To be so many years working on improving ourselves to get back to the top 4 or 5 teams and to be so easily dismissed makes you question it all. Perhaps this was a long time coming but it was inevitable and perhaps most likely that Dublin would be the team to do it based on geography and demographics.
Mayo's strength stems from their underage set up and the strength of their club scenes, these have been neglected in Meath
Does it though? Mayo have only won 2 of the last 11 Connacht U-20 titles and 1 of the last 5 Connacht minor titles. Galway have won 9 between both grades and Roscommon have won 4. Mayo clubs have only won 2 of the last 12 Connacht senior club titles.
You could argue they've been efficient in that they turned just 3 Connacht titles at underage into 2 All-Ireland titles in recent years. Mayo are obviously doing something right but they are not clearing up at underage even in Connacht, let alone nationally.
Mayo's record at underage has been consistently solid if not
spectacularThe team of the last decade was built on different generations - it went back as far as the 99/2000 generation of minors, then there was the 2004 U-21/2005 minor/2006 U-21 generation, then the 2008/09 minors, 2013 minors, and latterly the 2016/2018 U-21s/U-20s
All those provided their share, plus they got the in between lads like Lee Keegan
My impression of the Mayo championship has always been that it's one of the best in the country, very competitive
It doesn't have a really dominant team like Corofin are in Galway or Crossmaglen in Armagh, Castlebar did win a good few in recent years but they never had that level of dominance
It has at least seven or eight excellent senior clubs and then a good spread of standard beyond that, with several teams reaching intermediate All-Ireland finals in recent years
It seems to me it's quite like Tyrone in terms of spread, and a bit like Kerry in that county players can come from anywhere
Where they definitely have done very well is in terms of continually integrating younger players into a really good senior set up that players are desperate to play for - and the standards that are expected of them are extremely high from the off
Plus, not winning an All-Ireland since 1951 drives its own dynamic, it's the holy grail, it's tangible and there's boundless optimism that it
will be achieved
The whole culture seems so much more demanding than in almost all other counties, demanding in a good way, a way that drives excellence
Quote from: mup on December 08, 2020, 02:38:13 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 02:21:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 08, 2020, 12:06:41 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kevin-mcstay-how-stiff-will-mayo-test-be-for-omnipotent-dublin-1.4429796
Because this is not a once-in-a-generation Dublin team. That illusion has been shattered. From 2011 there were only three starters on Saturday evening and from the 2015 All-Ireland final team, only six starters remain. That gives you a sense of how
How many Kilkenny players started both the 2000 and 2009 All-Ireland hurling finals?
Google it. But your point is meaningless.
Kilkenny don't go banging on about a once in a lifetime team. Dubs do.
If it's meaningless as regards Kilkenny, it's meaningless as regards Dublin
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 02:46:25 PM
Quote from: mup on December 08, 2020, 02:38:13 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 02:21:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 08, 2020, 12:06:41 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kevin-mcstay-how-stiff-will-mayo-test-be-for-omnipotent-dublin-1.4429796
Because this is not a once-in-a-generation Dublin team. That illusion has been shattered. From 2011 there were only three starters on Saturday evening and from the 2015 All-Ireland final team, only six starters remain. That gives you a sense of how
How many Kilkenny players started both the 2000 and 2009 All-Ireland hurling finals?
Google it. But your point is meaningless.
Kilkenny don't go banging on about a once in a lifetime team. Dubs do.
If it's meaningless as regards Kilkenny, it's meaningless as regards Dublin
You just ignored the second part of my post. You dubs keep saying this is a once in a lifetime team and we should enjoy them. It's not a once in a lifetime team. That's why the Kilkenny analogy is meaningless. No Kilkenny person made that argument at the time.
As a matter of interest why didn't you pick the Kerry teams of 1978 and 1986?
Quote from: mup on December 08, 2020, 02:53:46 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 02:46:25 PM
Quote from: mup on December 08, 2020, 02:38:13 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 02:21:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 08, 2020, 12:06:41 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kevin-mcstay-how-stiff-will-mayo-test-be-for-omnipotent-dublin-1.4429796
Because this is not a once-in-a-generation Dublin team. That illusion has been shattered. From 2011 there were only three starters on Saturday evening and from the 2015 All-Ireland final team, only six starters remain. That gives you a sense of how
How many Kilkenny players started both the 2000 and 2009 All-Ireland hurling finals?
Google it. But your point is meaningless.
Kilkenny don't go banging on about a once in a lifetime team. Dubs do.
If it's meaningless as regards Kilkenny, it's meaningless as regards Dublin
You just ignored the second part of my post. You dubs keep saying this is a once in a lifetime team and we should enjoy them. It's not a once in a lifetime team. That's why the Kilkenny analogy is meaningless. No Kilkenny person made that argument at the time.
As a matter of interest why didn't you pick the Kerry teams of 1978 and 1986?
The point was made that this is not a generational Dublin team and that this is different to anything to went before in the GAA
But it
isn't different, because Kilkenny did the same thing - they had two players who started both the 2000 and 2009 finals
So the point is wrong
And no bleating or attempt to change the subject will change that
The point is
wrong
Kilkenny hasn't got 1.4m people and hasnt got 39,000 players.
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 03:15:01 PM
Quote from: mup on December 08, 2020, 02:53:46 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 02:46:25 PM
Quote from: mup on December 08, 2020, 02:38:13 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 02:21:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 08, 2020, 12:06:41 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kevin-mcstay-how-stiff-will-mayo-test-be-for-omnipotent-dublin-1.4429796
Because this is not a once-in-a-generation Dublin team. That illusion has been shattered. From 2011 there were only three starters on Saturday evening and from the 2015 All-Ireland final team, only six starters remain. That gives you a sense of how
How many Kilkenny players started both the 2000 and 2009 All-Ireland hurling finals?
Google it. But your point is meaningless.
Kilkenny don't go banging on about a once in a lifetime team. Dubs do.
If it's meaningless as regards Kilkenny, it's meaningless as regards Dublin
You just ignored the second part of my post. You dubs keep saying this is a once in a lifetime team and we should enjoy them. It's not a once in a lifetime team. That's why the Kilkenny analogy is meaningless. No Kilkenny person made that argument at the time.
As a matter of interest why didn't you pick the Kerry teams of 1978 and 1986?
The point was made that this is not a generational Dublin team and that this is different to anything to went before in the GAA
But it isn't different, because Kilkenny did the same thing - they had two players who started both the 2000 and 2009 finals
So the point is wrong
And no bleating or attempt to change the subject will change that
The point is wrong
I'm probably wasting my time here but sure I'll try to help you understand.
The sane amongst us have argued that Gaa money has aided Dublin during their current purple patch. Dubs have argued that it is a once in a generation side. It's not a once in a generation side. Nor was the Kilkenny one you mentioned.
HOWEVER Kilkenny did not receive millions to help them during this time. So it is different.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 08, 2020, 03:30:05 PM
Kilkenny hasn't got 1.4m people and hasnt got 39,000 players.
That wasn't the point made
Kilkenny had multi-generational dominance
This is a fact
Quote from: mup on December 08, 2020, 03:37:58 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 03:15:01 PM
Quote from: mup on December 08, 2020, 02:53:46 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 02:46:25 PM
Quote from: mup on December 08, 2020, 02:38:13 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 02:21:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 08, 2020, 12:06:41 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kevin-mcstay-how-stiff-will-mayo-test-be-for-omnipotent-dublin-1.4429796
Because this is not a once-in-a-generation Dublin team. That illusion has been shattered. From 2011 there were only three starters on Saturday evening and from the 2015 All-Ireland final team, only six starters remain. That gives you a sense of how
How many Kilkenny players started both the 2000 and 2009 All-Ireland hurling finals?
Google it. But your point is meaningless.
Kilkenny don't go banging on about a once in a lifetime team. Dubs do.
If it's meaningless as regards Kilkenny, it's meaningless as regards Dublin
You just ignored the second part of my post. You dubs keep saying this is a once in a lifetime team and we should enjoy them. It's not a once in a lifetime team. That's why the Kilkenny analogy is meaningless. No Kilkenny person made that argument at the time.
As a matter of interest why didn't you pick the Kerry teams of 1978 and 1986?
The point was made that this is not a generational Dublin team and that this is different to anything to went before in the GAA
But it isn't different, because Kilkenny did the same thing - they had two players who started both the 2000 and 2009 finals
So the point is wrong
And no bleating or attempt to change the subject will change that
The point is wrong
I'm probably wasting my time here but sure I'll try to help you understand.
The sane amongst us have argued that Gaa money has aided Dublin during their current purple patch. Dubs have argued that it is a once in a generation side. It's not a once in a generation side. Nor was the Kilkenny one you mentioned.
HOWEVER Kilkenny did not receive millions to help them during this time. So it is different.
You're still not getting it
Dublin's dominance is far from unique in history
There's no evidence that Dublin's dominance will be any different to Kilkenny's from 2000 to 2015
Dublin's training facilities are in fact quite rudimentary compared to other counties, Dublin players have to work, Dublin players do not get paid, they are totally amateur athletes
Funding does not make you work harder, it does not make you fitter, it does not improve your weaker foot, and the simple fact is Dublin's players work far harder than players in all but a small handful of counties
Winners worry about winning, losers worry about winners
Why are you in favour Sid of a fairer society but not on a football pitch
Look lads there's no need to worry until the Dubs are on to their 4th 'once in a lifetime team'.
Quote from: blasmere on December 08, 2020, 03:52:15 PM
Why are you in favour Sid of a fairer society but not on a football pitch
It seems to me that I'm literally the only person on this board putting forward actual, workable ideas to reduce Dublin's inherent advantages
Start by revamping the league - every year Dublin face all the top teams in the country in the league, and every year this reinforces their advantage, and the advantage of the other Division 1 regulars
Scrap the Super 8s - this reinforces Dublin's advantage
Cut the amount of substitutes back to three - six substitutes reinforces Dublin's advantage
Play club championship during the summer, during the championship - this cuts down on the influence of county managers
Have a central sponsorship fund, say 50% of each county sponsorship goes into a central fund to be redistributed equally per county
Put Dublin on the road more, only give them three home league matches each year out of seven, make them play the preliminary round in Leinster, make them play in actual away venues, and no championship games in Croke Park until the Leinster final
But counties also have to start helping themselves - and at the moment, the vast majority aren't
You should probably be asking Colm O'Rourke why he engages in a series of bullshit bad faith arguments to try and split Dublin, while as regards society at large he's a picket-passing, union busting, Covid denying, right wing ideologue
With O'Rourke it always comes back to one thing - he hates Dublin, and that's the sum of it
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 03:45:26 PM
Quote from: mup on December 08, 2020, 03:37:58 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 03:15:01 PM
Quote from: mup on December 08, 2020, 02:53:46 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 02:46:25 PM
Quote from: mup on December 08, 2020, 02:38:13 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 02:21:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 08, 2020, 12:06:41 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kevin-mcstay-how-stiff-will-mayo-test-be-for-omnipotent-dublin-1.4429796
Because this is not a once-in-a-generation Dublin team. That illusion has been shattered. From 2011 there were only three starters on Saturday evening and from the 2015 All-Ireland final team, only six starters remain. That gives you a sense of how
How many Kilkenny players started both the 2000 and 2009 All-Ireland hurling finals?
Google it. But your point is meaningless.
Kilkenny don't go banging on about a once in a lifetime team. Dubs do.
If it's meaningless as regards Kilkenny, it's meaningless as regards Dublin
You just ignored the second part of my post. You dubs keep saying this is a once in a lifetime team and we should enjoy them. It's not a once in a lifetime team. That's why the Kilkenny analogy is meaningless. No Kilkenny person made that argument at the time.
As a matter of interest why didn't you pick the Kerry teams of 1978 and 1986?
The point was made that this is not a generational Dublin team and that this is different to anything to went before in the GAA
But it isn't different, because Kilkenny did the same thing - they had two players who started both the 2000 and 2009 finals
So the point is wrong
And no bleating or attempt to change the subject will change that
The point is wrong
I'm probably wasting my time here but sure I'll try to help you understand.
The sane amongst us have argued that Gaa money has aided Dublin during their current purple patch. Dubs have argued that it is a once in a generation side. It's not a once in a generation side. Nor was the Kilkenny one you mentioned.
HOWEVER Kilkenny did not receive millions to help them during this time. So it is different.
You're still not getting it
Dublin's dominance is far from unique in history
There's no evidence that Dublin's dominance will be any different to Kilkenny's from 2000 to 2015
Dublin's training facilities are in fact quite rudimentary compared to other counties, Dublin players have to work, Dublin players do not get paid, they are totally amateur athletes
Funding does not make you work harder, it does not make you fitter, it does not improve your weaker foot, and the simple fact is Dublin's players work far harder than players in all but a small handful of counties
Winners worry about winning, losers worry about winners
So Dublins dominance has nothing to do with money?
Its because they train harder, work harder and their volunteers volunteer harder. And the fact that they got millions prior to this dominance is merely coincidence.
Sound. ::)
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 03:38:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 08, 2020, 03:30:05 PM
Kilkenny hasn't got 1.4m people and hasnt got 39,000 players.
That wasn't the point made
Kilkenny had multi-generational dominance
This is a fact
Kilkenny did not get 18m
They didn't win 6 out of the first 7 All Irelands either
.Those are facts.
Quote from: mup on December 08, 2020, 04:29:56 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 03:45:26 PM
Quote from: mup on December 08, 2020, 03:37:58 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 03:15:01 PM
Quote from: mup on December 08, 2020, 02:53:46 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 02:46:25 PM
Quote from: mup on December 08, 2020, 02:38:13 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 02:21:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 08, 2020, 12:06:41 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kevin-mcstay-how-stiff-will-mayo-test-be-for-omnipotent-dublin-1.4429796
Because this is not a once-in-a-generation Dublin team. That illusion has been shattered. From 2011 there were only three starters on Saturday evening and from the 2015 All-Ireland final team, only six starters remain. That gives you a sense of how
How many Kilkenny players started both the 2000 and 2009 All-Ireland hurling finals?
Google it. But your point is meaningless.
Kilkenny don't go banging on about a once in a lifetime team. Dubs do.
If it's meaningless as regards Kilkenny, it's meaningless as regards Dublin
You just ignored the second part of my post. You dubs keep saying this is a once in a lifetime team and we should enjoy them. It's not a once in a lifetime team. That's why the Kilkenny analogy is meaningless. No Kilkenny person made that argument at the time.
As a matter of interest why didn't you pick the Kerry teams of 1978 and 1986?
The point was made that this is not a generational Dublin team and that this is different to anything to went before in the GAA
But it isn't different, because Kilkenny did the same thing - they had two players who started both the 2000 and 2009 finals
So the point is wrong
And no bleating or attempt to change the subject will change that
The point is wrong
I'm probably wasting my time here but sure I'll try to help you understand.
The sane amongst us have argued that Gaa money has aided Dublin during their current purple patch. Dubs have argued that it is a once in a generation side. It's not a once in a generation side. Nor was the Kilkenny one you mentioned.
HOWEVER Kilkenny did not receive millions to help them during this time. So it is different.
You're still not getting it
Dublin's dominance is far from unique in history
There's no evidence that Dublin's dominance will be any different to Kilkenny's from 2000 to 2015
Dublin's training facilities are in fact quite rudimentary compared to other counties, Dublin players have to work, Dublin players do not get paid, they are totally amateur athletes
Funding does not make you work harder, it does not make you fitter, it does not improve your weaker foot, and the simple fact is Dublin's players work far harder than players in all but a small handful of counties
Winners worry about winning, losers worry about winners
So Dublins dominance has nothing to do with money?
Its because they train harder, work harder and their volunteers volunteer harder. And the fact that they got millions prior to this dominance is merely coincidence.
Sound. ::)
Again, you've not addressed the points
You came into the argument because you were supporting a wrong assertion
Now you've moved on to not addressing points
Dublin
do work harder, and smarter, than all but a small handful of counties
Do they or do they not?
Of course they do - sure the central premise of the anti-Dublin posters here is that everybody else should just give up
How does that tally with a hard work ethic?
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 04:22:52 PM
Quote from: blasmere on December 08, 2020, 03:52:15 PM
Why are you in favour Sid of a fairer society but not on a football pitch
It seems to me that I'm literally the only person on this board putting forward actual, workable ideas to reduce Dublin's inherent advantages
Start by revamping the league - every year Dublin face all the top teams in the country in the league, and every year this reinforces their advantage, and the advantage of the other Division 1 regulars
Scrap the Super 8s - this reinforces Dublin's advantage
Cut the amount of substitutes back to three - six substitutes reinforces Dublin's advantage
Play club championship during the summer, during the championship - this cuts down on the influence of county managers
Have a central sponsorship fund, say 50% of each county sponsorship goes into a central fund to be redistributed equally per county
Put Dublin on the road more, only give them three home league matches each year out of seven, make them play the preliminary round in Leinster, make them play in actual away venues, and no championship games in Croke Park until the Leinster final
But counties also have to start helping themselves - and at the moment, the vast majority aren't
You should probably be asking Colm O'Rourke why he engages in a series of bullshit bad faith arguments to try and split Dublin, while as regards society at large he's a picket-passing, union busting, Covid denying, right wing ideologue
With O'Rourke it always comes back to one thing - he hates Dublin, and that's the sum of it
Don't see any of those changes you've mentioned having much of an affect.
Dublin will continue to produce top players at a greater rate then everyone else through no fault of their own but until something is done about that then the domination will continue.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on December 08, 2020, 06:13:44 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 04:22:52 PM
Quote from: blasmere on December 08, 2020, 03:52:15 PM
Why are you in favour Sid of a fairer society but not on a football pitch
It seems to me that I'm literally the only person on this board putting forward actual, workable ideas to reduce Dublin's inherent advantages
Start by revamping the league - every year Dublin face all the top teams in the country in the league, and every year this reinforces their advantage, and the advantage of the other Division 1 regulars
Scrap the Super 8s - this reinforces Dublin's advantage
Cut the amount of substitutes back to three - six substitutes reinforces Dublin's advantage
Play club championship during the summer, during the championship - this cuts down on the influence of county managers
Have a central sponsorship fund, say 50% of each county sponsorship goes into a central fund to be redistributed equally per county
Put Dublin on the road more, only give them three home league matches each year out of seven, make them play the preliminary round in Leinster, make them play in actual away venues, and no championship games in Croke Park until the Leinster final
But counties also have to start helping themselves - and at the moment, the vast majority aren't
You should probably be asking Colm O'Rourke why he engages in a series of bullshit bad faith arguments to try and split Dublin, while as regards society at large he's a picket-passing, union busting, Covid denying, right wing ideologue
With O'Rourke it always comes back to one thing - he hates Dublin, and that's the sum of it
Don't see any of those changes you've mentioned having much of an affect.
Dublin will continue to produce top players at a greater rate then everyone else through no fault of their own but until something is done about that then the domination will continue.
There's no "fault" involved
Dublin's aim is to produce top players at a greater rate than anybody else
Which is exactly what they should want to do
As should everybody else
Kerry have had that aim for 130 years, and have mostly been successful in that aim
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https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kevin-mcstay-how-stiff-will-mayo-test-be-for-omnipotent-dublin-1.4429796
Because this is not a once-in-a-generation Dublin team. That illusion has been shattered. From 2011 there were only three starters on Saturday evening and from the 2015 All-Ireland final team, only six starters remain. That gives you a sense of how
How many Kilkenny players started both the 2000 and 2009 All-Ireland hurling finals?
Google it. But your point is meaningless.
Kilkenny don't go banging on about a once in a lifetime team. Dubs do.
If it's meaningless as regards Kilkenny, it's meaningless as regards Dublin
You just ignored the second part of my post. You dubs keep saying this is a once in a lifetime team and we should enjoy them. It's not a once in a lifetime team. That's why the Kilkenny analogy is meaningless. No Kilkenny person made that argument at the time.
As a matter of interest why didn't you pick the Kerry teams of 1978 and 1986?
The point was made that this is not a generational Dublin team and that this is different to anything to went before in the GAA
But it isn't different, because Kilkenny did the same thing - they had two players who started both the 2000 and 2009 finals
So the point is wrong
And no bleating or attempt to change the subject will change that
The point is wrong
I'm probably wasting my time here but sure I'll try to help you understand.
The sane amongst us have argued that Gaa money has aided Dublin during their current purple patch. Dubs have argued that it is a once in a generation side. It's not a once in a generation side. Nor was the Kilkenny one you mentioned.
HOWEVER Kilkenny did not receive millions to help them during this time. So it is different.
You're still not getting it
Dublin's dominance is far from unique in history
There's no evidence that Dublin's dominance will be any different to Kilkenny's from 2000 to 2015
Dublin's training facilities are in fact quite rudimentary compared to other counties, Dublin players have to work, Dublin players do not get paid, they are totally amateur athletes
Funding does not make you work harder, it does not make you fitter, it does not improve your weaker foot, and the simple fact is Dublin's players work far harder than players in all but a small handful of counties
Winners worry about winning, losers worry about winners
So Dublins dominance has nothing to do with money?
Its because they train harder, work harder and their volunteers volunteer harder. And the fact that they got millions prior to this dominance is merely coincidence.
Sound. ::)
Again, you've not addressed the points
You came into the argument because you were supporting a wrong assertion
Now you've moved on to not addressing points
Dublin do work harder, and smarter, than all but a small handful of counties
Do they or do they not?
Of course they do - sure the central premise of the anti-Dublin posters here is that everybody else should just give up
How does that tally with a hard work ethic?
You think I'm not addressing the point. You refuse to believe that the millions received have nothing to do with Dublins success. I'm actually agreeing with you regarding Kilkenny but there is one big difference. Money. I cant help you if you can't see that
You are saying Dublin work harder. How do you know that? Do you know how hard Cork or Kerry or Donegal work?
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Quote from: mup on December 08, 2020, 02:38:13 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 02:21:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 08, 2020, 12:06:41 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kevin-mcstay-how-stiff-will-mayo-test-be-for-omnipotent-dublin-1.4429796
Because this is not a once-in-a-generation Dublin team. That illusion has been shattered. From 2011 there were only three starters on Saturday evening and from the 2015 All-Ireland final team, only six starters remain. That gives you a sense of how
How many Kilkenny players started both the 2000 and 2009 All-Ireland hurling finals?
Google it. But your point is meaningless.
Kilkenny don't go banging on about a once in a lifetime team. Dubs do.
If it's meaningless as regards Kilkenny, it's meaningless as regards Dublin
You just ignored the second part of my post. You dubs keep saying this is a once in a lifetime team and we should enjoy them. It's not a once in a lifetime team. That's why the Kilkenny analogy is meaningless. No Kilkenny person made that argument at the time.
As a matter of interest why didn't you pick the Kerry teams of 1978 and 1986?
The point was made that this is not a generational Dublin team and that this is different to anything to went before in the GAA
But it isn't different, because Kilkenny did the same thing - they had two players who started both the 2000 and 2009 finals
So the point is wrong
And no bleating or attempt to change the subject will change that
The point is wrong
I'm probably wasting my time here but sure I'll try to help you understand.
The sane amongst us have argued that Gaa money has aided Dublin during their current purple patch. Dubs have argued that it is a once in a generation side. It's not a once in a generation side. Nor was the Kilkenny one you mentioned.
HOWEVER Kilkenny did not receive millions to help them during this time. So it is different.
You're still not getting it
Dublin's dominance is far from unique in history
There's no evidence that Dublin's dominance will be any different to Kilkenny's from 2000 to 2015
Dublin's training facilities are in fact quite rudimentary compared to other counties, Dublin players have to work, Dublin players do not get paid, they are totally amateur athletes
Funding does not make you work harder, it does not make you fitter, it does not improve your weaker foot, and the simple fact is Dublin's players work far harder than players in all but a small handful of counties
Winners worry about winning, losers worry about winners
So Dublins dominance has nothing to do with money?
Its because they train harder, work harder and their volunteers volunteer harder. And the fact that they got millions prior to this dominance is merely coincidence.
Sound. ::)
Again, you've not addressed the points
You came into the argument because you were supporting a wrong assertion
Now you've moved on to not addressing points
Dublin do work harder, and smarter, than all but a small handful of counties
Do they or do they not?
Of course they do - sure the central premise of the anti-Dublin posters here is that everybody else should just give up
How does that tally with a hard work ethic?
You think I'm not addressing the point. You refuse to believe that the millions received have nothing to do with Dublins success. I'm actually agreeing with you regarding Kilkenny but there is one big difference. Money. I cant help you if you can't see that
You are saying Dublin work harder. How do you know that? Do you know how hard Cork or Kerry or Donegal work?
But "Dublin's millions" mainly goes towards grass roots, not the senior team
Dublin train in fairly spartan locations, Innisfails and St. Clare's - they don't have a centre of excellence
Linking in with colleges is something loads of counties can do
Dublin definitely work harder and smarter than Cork
Kerry and Donegal are able to compete with Dublin when they play them, so they probably work as hard as Dublin, as do Mayo, maybe Tyrone, possibly Monaghan over the last few years
I don't think anybody else does, if they do, they're working less smart
Quote from: heffo on August 10, 2014, 01:38:45 AM
Delete this thread and cop onto yourself. It's not long ago Dublin supporters would've given their arm off a Leinster title and those days will be here again soon
Good laugh at this from the first page. Wonder did he ever really believe that.
To be fair you'd have to say this thread cost Dublin the 2014 All-Ireland
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 09:29:27 PM
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Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 04:22:52 PM
Quote from: blasmere on December 08, 2020, 03:52:15 PM
Why are you in favour Sid of a fairer society but not on a football pitch
It seems to me that I'm literally the only person on this board putting forward actual, workable ideas to reduce Dublin's inherent advantages
Start by revamping the league - every year Dublin face all the top teams in the country in the league, and every year this reinforces their advantage, and the advantage of the other Division 1 regulars
Scrap the Super 8s - this reinforces Dublin's advantage
Cut the amount of substitutes back to three - six substitutes reinforces Dublin's advantage
Play club championship during the summer, during the championship - this cuts down on the influence of county managers
Have a central sponsorship fund, say 50% of each county sponsorship goes into a central fund to be redistributed equally per county
Put Dublin on the road more, only give them three home league matches each year out of seven, make them play the preliminary round in Leinster, make them play in actual away venues, and no championship games in Croke Park until the Leinster final
But counties also have to start helping themselves - and at the moment, the vast majority aren't
You should probably be asking Colm O'Rourke why he engages in a series of bullshit bad faith arguments to try and split Dublin, while as regards society at large he's a picket-passing, union busting, Covid denying, right wing ideologue
With O'Rourke it always comes back to one thing - he hates Dublin, and that's the sum of it
Don't see any of those changes you've mentioned having much of an affect.
Dublin will continue to produce top players at a greater rate then everyone else through no fault of their own but until something is done about that then the domination will continue.
There's no "fault" involved
Dublin's aim is to produce top players at a greater rate than anybody else
Which is exactly what they should want to do
As should everybody else
Kerry have had that aim for 130 years, and have mostly been successful in that aim
It's a pyramid scheme. Dublin has a bigger population, hence a bigger pyramid.
The easiest thing would be just to devalue the All Ireland until reason returns,
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 09:29:27 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on December 08, 2020, 06:13:44 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 04:22:52 PM
Quote from: blasmere on December 08, 2020, 03:52:15 PM
Why are you in favour Sid of a fairer society but not on a football pitch
It seems to me that I'm literally the only person on this board putting forward actual, workable ideas to reduce Dublin's inherent advantages
Start by revamping the league - every year Dublin face all the top teams in the country in the league, and every year this reinforces their advantage, and the advantage of the other Division 1 regulars
Scrap the Super 8s - this reinforces Dublin's advantage
Cut the amount of substitutes back to three - six substitutes reinforces Dublin's advantage
Play club championship during the summer, during the championship - this cuts down on the influence of county managers
Have a central sponsorship fund, say 50% of each county sponsorship goes into a central fund to be redistributed equally per county
Put Dublin on the road more, only give them three home league matches each year out of seven, make them play the preliminary round in Leinster, make them play in actual away venues, and no championship games in Croke Park until the Leinster final
But counties also have to start helping themselves - and at the moment, the vast majority aren't
You should probably be asking Colm O'Rourke why he engages in a series of bullshit bad faith arguments to try and split Dublin, while as regards society at large he's a picket-passing, union busting, Covid denying, right wing ideologue
With O'Rourke it always comes back to one thing - he hates Dublin, and that's the sum of it
Don't see any of those changes you've mentioned having much of an affect.
Dublin will continue to produce top players at a greater rate then everyone else through no fault of their own but until something is done about that then the domination will continue.
There's no "fault" involved
Dublin's aim is to produce top players at a greater rate than anybody else
Which is exactly what they should want to do
As should everybody else
Kerry have had that aim for 130 years, and have mostly been successful in that aim
The landscape has changed and if all things remain equal in terms of coaching its only natural the county with a playing population that dwarfs its rival is going to produce a higher % of top players then anyone else.
The Dublin club championship will continue to develop as a competition and increase in standard too and none of the changes you've recommended will have an affect on both of these.
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 09:29:27 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on December 08, 2020, 06:13:44 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 04:22:52 PM
Quote from: blasmere on December 08, 2020, 03:52:15 PM
Why are you in favour Sid of a fairer society but not on a football pitch
It seems to me that I'm literally the only person on this board putting forward actual, workable ideas to reduce Dublin's inherent advantages
Start by revamping the league - every year Dublin face all the top teams in the country in the league, and every year this reinforces their advantage, and the advantage of the other Division 1 regulars
Scrap the Super 8s - this reinforces Dublin's advantage
Cut the amount of substitutes back to three - six substitutes reinforces Dublin's advantage
Play club championship during the summer, during the championship - this cuts down on the influence of county managers
Have a central sponsorship fund, say 50% of each county sponsorship goes into a central fund to be redistributed equally per county
Put Dublin on the road more, only give them three home league matches each year out of seven, make them play the preliminary round in Leinster, make them play in actual away venues, and no championship games in Croke Park until the Leinster final
But counties also have to start helping themselves - and at the moment, the vast majority aren't
You should probably be asking Colm O'Rourke why he engages in a series of bullshit bad faith arguments to try and split Dublin, while as regards society at large he's a picket-passing, union busting, Covid denying, right wing ideologue
With O'Rourke it always comes back to one thing - he hates Dublin, and that's the sum of it
Don't see any of those changes you've mentioned having much of an affect.
Dublin will continue to produce top players at a greater rate then everyone else through no fault of their own but until something is done about that then the domination will continue.
There's no "fault" involved
Dublin's aim is to produce top players at a greater rate than anybody else
Which is exactly what they should want to do
As should everybody else
Kerry have had that aim for 130 years, and have mostly been successful in that aim
I think there is fault on the part of the GAA. They boosted Dublin but left the compeition unchanged. Now the competition is a nonsense.
Maybe Dublin's growth was always going to challenge the system but the move to fund the country was to be the catalyst that pushed the all Ireland beyond the tipping point.
Measures required to combat Dublin's dominance: none.
We now know it was a once in a generation team.
Dublin's dominance did not even last a decade, a span shorter than Kerry's (1975-1986) and the Kilkenny hurlers (2000-2015).
Yis can all relax now. The Dublin pandemic is over. Gaelic football is saved.
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Measures required to combat Dublin's dominance: none.
We now know it was a once in a generation team.
Dublin's dominance did not even last a decade, a span shorter than Kerry's (1975-1986) and the Kilkenny hurlers (2000-2015).
Yis can all relax now. The Dublin pandemic is over. Gaelic football is saved.
Take the money away.
Otherwise there will be another team for the ages.
Can we rename this Thread - Patronising Dublin Fans Thread
"Ah ye were a great bunch of lads..."
Well done to the 300 Dublin fans who made the very, very long trip to Clones today. You really took over the town!
What will attendances be like for a trip up to Derry in Divison 2 next year? Although at least most of Leinster is now in D2 with them.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 28, 2022, 10:13:34 AM
What will attendances be like for a trip up to Derry in Divison 2 next year? Although at least most of Leinster is now in D2 with them.
Dublin destroyed the other teams in Leinster. Now there are no Leinster teams in Division 1
Dublin will hope to avoid Mayo, Galway or any Ulster team in the AIQF or their summer could be over. Leinster is no prep for meeting an Ulster team who have built up a head of steam via a back door run.
Quote from: KickPass on March 28, 2022, 10:36:21 AM
Dublin will hope to avoid Mayo, Galway or any Ulster team in the AIQF or their summer could be over. Leinster is no prep for meeting an Ulster team who have built up a head of steam via a back door run.
They're far from certain to win Leinster. Hopefully Kildares win in the league gives them the confidence to have a proper rattle at them come championship!
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 28, 2022, 10:13:34 AM
What will attendances be like for a trip up to Derry in Divison 2 next year? Although at least most of Leinster is now in D2 with them.
Not sure but I remember the last time they came to Celtic Park there was a decent crowd probably 5-8000 . . . that was Division one though. We beat them that day and they returned the favour in the Final at Croker to kick start our freefall!
Quote from: KickPass on March 28, 2022, 10:36:21 AM
Dublin will hope to avoid Mayo, Galway or any Ulster team in the AIQF or their summer could be over. Leinster is no prep for meeting an Ulster team who have built up a head of steam via a back door run.
Kildare have beaten Dublin once already this year and could do it again in the Leinster championship. Some don't realise the decline Dublin are in.
Their starting team has a number of players that are past their best and their bench is lacking experience and impact players to turn matches like they did under Gavin. He jumped ship for a reason, knew this was coming.
Their "big" players were so bad yesterday, Kilkenny dreadful
Quote from: Saffrongael on March 28, 2022, 12:38:15 PM
Their "big" players were so bad yesterday, Kilkenny dreadful
Kilkenny was one of their shining light when the rest of the team was playing poorly but the last few games he has been poor when he should be in his prime. Fenton has been poor all League.
Fitzsimmons was cleaned out yesterday by Jack McCarron whilst Cooper and McCarthy looked their age. McCarthy has got crankier over the last year or so as his powers wane and a bit like Michael Murphy for Donegal it is sad to see once great players reduced to continual bouts of ill discipline.
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Quote from: KickPass on March 28, 2022, 10:36:21 AM
Dublin will hope to avoid Mayo, Galway or any Ulster team in the AIQF or their summer could be over. Leinster is no prep for meeting an Ulster team who have built up a head of steam via a back door run.
Kildare have beaten Dublin once already this year and could do it again in the Leinster championship. Some don't realise the decline Dublin are in.
There starting team has a number of players that are past their best and their bench is lacking experience and impact players to turn matches like they did under Gavin. He jumped ship for a reason, knew this was coming.
All that money spent on coaching over the last 10 years. Have they nobody coming through ?
Quote from: seafoid on March 28, 2022, 01:03:41 PM
All that money spent on coaching over the last 10 years. Have they nobody coming through ?
They reached U20 All-Ireland finals in 2019, 2020 they should have a handful of those players coming through now however are struggling to do so under their poor Dessie Farrell management setup.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 28, 2022, 12:59:08 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on March 28, 2022, 12:38:15 PM
Their "big" players were so bad yesterday, Kilkenny dreadful
Kilkenny was one of their shining light when the rest of the team was playing poorly but the last few games he has been poor when he should be in his prime. Fenton has been poor all League.
Fitzsimmons was cleaned out yesterday by Jack McCarron whilst Cooper and McCarthy looked their age. McCarthy has got crankier over the last year or so as his powers wane and a bit like Michael Murphy for Donegal it is sad to see once great players reduced to continual bouts of ill discipline.
The ref was overly fussy in that game, a player did not have to do much if anything to get booked or penalised so who knows what McCarthy did to get his 2nd yellow.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 28, 2022, 01:17:35 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 28, 2022, 01:03:41 PM
All that money spent on coaching over the last 10 years. Have they nobody coming through ?
They reached U20 All-Ireland finals in 2019, 2020 they should have a handful of those players coming through now however are struggling to do so under their poor Dessie Farrell management setup.
It's crazy that so many top level teams -Kilkenny, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man Utd, Wales - struggled with the same problem.
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Quote from: yellowcard on March 28, 2022, 12:59:08 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on March 28, 2022, 12:38:15 PM
Their "big" players were so bad yesterday, Kilkenny dreadful
Kilkenny was one of their shining light when the rest of the team was playing poorly but the last few games he has been poor when he should be in his prime. Fenton has been poor all League.
Fitzsimmons was cleaned out yesterday by Jack McCarron whilst Cooper and McCarthy looked their age. McCarthy has got crankier over the last year or so as his powers wane and a bit like Michael Murphy for Donegal it is sad to see once great players reduced to continual bouts of ill discipline.
The ref was overly fussy in that game, a player did not have to do much if anything to get booked or penalised so who knows what McCarthy did to get his 2nd yellow.
Perhaps he didn't do anything at all as it was off the ball, however it is all part of a trend for the last couple of seasons in several matches that I have watched. He lost his discipline at the end of last years semi final against Mayo as well when he should have been sent off for an elbow on O'Connor. It tends to happen to a lot of players as they near the end of their careers and realise that the body is not as fit to do the things that they were once capable of.
Quote from: Main Street on March 28, 2022, 03:00:32 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 28, 2022, 12:59:08 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on March 28, 2022, 12:38:15 PM
Their "big" players were so bad yesterday, Kilkenny dreadful
Kilkenny was one of their shining light when the rest of the team was playing poorly but the last few games he has been poor when he should be in his prime. Fenton has been poor all League.
Fitzsimmons was cleaned out yesterday by Jack McCarron whilst Cooper and McCarthy looked their age. McCarthy has got crankier over the last year or so as his powers wane and a bit like Michael Murphy for Donegal it is sad to see once great players reduced to continual bouts of ill discipline.
The ref was overly fussy in that game, a player did not have to do much if anything to get booked or penalised so who knows what McCarthy did to get his 2nd yellow.
McCarthy second yellow was for late foul on McCarron. Referee went back to incident after flagged by linesman. Same linesman ignored elbow by Kieran Hughes in build up to Monaghan penalty. Referee made poor calls for both teams. Monaghan by far the better team and deserved the win. Monaghan need to close out games better have been caught in a few games league and championship. McCarron was class. Darren Hughes had a great game in midfield
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 28, 2022, 01:17:35 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 28, 2022, 01:03:41 PM
All that money spent on coaching over the last 10 years. Have they nobody coming through ?
They reached U20 All-Ireland finals in 2019, 2020 they should have a handful of those players coming through now however are struggling to do so under their poor Dessie Farrell management setup.
Them u20s lads will be 23/24 next year and will see more game time next year. A good few got run in O'Byrne Cup and League.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 28, 2022, 12:14:17 AM
Well done to the 300 Dublin fans who made the very, very long trip to Clones today. You really took over the town!
I didn't see you up there. A lot more than that. Would have been a lot more but for a full schedule of juvenile and adult hurling was played yesterday morning/afternoon but I'm sure he knew that before trolling .
Quote from: Gael85 on March 28, 2022, 09:12:19 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 28, 2022, 03:00:32 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 28, 2022, 12:59:08 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on March 28, 2022, 12:38:15 PM
Their "big" players were so bad yesterday, Kilkenny dreadful
Kilkenny was one of their shining light when the rest of the team was playing poorly but the last few games he has been poor when he should be in his prime. Fenton has been poor all League.
Fitzsimmons was cleaned out yesterday by Jack McCarron whilst Cooper and McCarthy looked their age. McCarthy has got crankier over the last year or so as his powers wane and a bit like Michael Murphy for Donegal it is sad to see once great players reduced to continual bouts of ill discipline.
The ref was overly fussy in that game, a player did not have to do much if anything to get booked or penalised so who knows what McCarthy did to get his 2nd yellow.
McCarthy second yellow was for late foul on McCarron. Referee went back to incident after flagged by linesman. Same linesman ignored elbow by Kieran Hughes in build up to Monaghan penalty. Referee made poor calls for both teams. Monaghan by far the better team and deserved the win. Monaghan need to close out games better have been caught in a few games league and championship. McCarron was class. Darren Hughes had a great game in midfield
McCarthy's 2nd yellow looked to be for an off the ball incident, he got booked along with Colin Walshe.
AC/DC were able to replace older team members, maintain quality levels and keep the show on the road.
I don't know why the Dubs can't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2AC41dglnM
Quote from: Main Street on March 29, 2022, 01:40:49 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on March 28, 2022, 09:12:19 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 28, 2022, 03:00:32 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 28, 2022, 12:59:08 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on March 28, 2022, 12:38:15 PM
Their "big" players were so bad yesterday, Kilkenny dreadful
Kilkenny was one of their shining light when the rest of the team was playing poorly but the last few games he has been poor when he should be in his prime. Fenton has been poor all League.
Fitzsimmons was cleaned out yesterday by Jack McCarron whilst Cooper and McCarthy looked their age. McCarthy has got crankier over the last year or so as his powers wane and a bit like Michael Murphy for Donegal it is sad to see once great players reduced to continual bouts of ill discipline.
The ref was overly fussy in that game, a player did not have to do much if anything to get booked or penalised so who knows what McCarthy did to get his 2nd yellow.
McCarthy second yellow was for late foul on McCarron. Referee went back to incident after flagged by linesman. Same linesman ignored elbow by Kieran Hughes in build up to Monaghan penalty. Referee made poor calls for both teams. Monaghan by far the better team and deserved the win. Monaghan need to close out games better have been caught in a few games league and championship. McCarron was class. Darren Hughes had a great game in midfield
McCarthy's 2nd yellow looked to be for an off the ball incident, he got booked along with Colin Walshe.
No Walshe booking was for foul on player running through, can't remember who but wasn't McCarthy. I saw James collide with McCarron but action wasn't taken until Walshe booked .
Quote from: Gael85 on March 28, 2022, 09:20:49 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 28, 2022, 01:17:35 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 28, 2022, 01:03:41 PM
All that money spent on coaching over the last 10 years. Have they nobody coming through ?
They reached U20 All-Ireland finals in 2019, 2020 they should have a handful of those players coming through now however are struggling to do so under their poor Dessie Farrell management setup.
Them u20s lads will be 23/24 next year and will see more game time next year. A good few got run in O'Byrne Cup and League.
How many of them has established themselves as senior county players? Archer looked the real deal at U20 level and for whatever reason hasn't made the step up. Costello,Mannion,Fenton,Kilkenny,J McCaffrey etc were all standing out in their early 20s on the senior team or be in a different environment and under a better management team.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 29, 2022, 02:47:36 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on March 28, 2022, 09:20:49 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 28, 2022, 01:17:35 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 28, 2022, 01:03:41 PM
All that money spent on coaching over the last 10 years. Have they nobody coming through ?
They reached U20 All-Ireland finals in 2019, 2020 they should have a handful of those players coming through now however are struggling to do so under their poor Dessie Farrell management setup.
Them u20s lads will be 23/24 next year and will see more game time next year. A good few got run in O'Byrne Cup and League.
How many of them has established themselves as senior county players? Archer looked the real deal at U20 level and for whatever reason hasn't made the step up. Costello,Mannion,Fenton,Kilkenny,J McCaffrey etc were all standing out in their early 20s on the senior team or be in a different environment and under a better management team.
Peadar O'Cofaigh Byrne only player to have got championship time and he missed the league with injury. Lorcan O'Dell, Ross McGarry and Brian O'Leary got a couple chances in league but probably too early for them. Archer has long way to go, doesn't have the work rate. The lads you mentioned you were part of the greatest Dublin minor team of 2011 even though lost to Tipp. 9/10 played prominent roles in 6 in a row. Fenton was injured at minor but came through on 21 team in 2014.
Quote from: Gael85 on March 29, 2022, 10:41:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 29, 2022, 02:47:36 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on March 28, 2022, 09:20:49 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 28, 2022, 01:17:35 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 28, 2022, 01:03:41 PM
All that money spent on coaching over the last 10 years. Have they nobody coming through ?
They reached U20 All-Ireland finals in 2019, 2020 they should have a handful of those players coming through now however are struggling to do so under their poor Dessie Farrell management setup.
Them u20s lads will be 23/24 next year and will see more game time next year. A good few got run in O'Byrne Cup and League.
How many of them has established themselves as senior county players? Archer looked the real deal at U20 level and for whatever reason hasn't made the step up. Costello,Mannion,Fenton,Kilkenny,J McCaffrey etc were all standing out in their early 20s on the senior team or be in a different environment and under a better management team.
Peadar O'Cofaigh Byrne only player to have got championship team and he missed the league with injury. Lorcan O'Dell, Ross McGarry and Brian O'Leary got a couple chances in league but probably too early for them. Archer has long way to go, doesn't have the work rate. The lads you mentioned you were part of the greatest Dublin minor team of 2011 even though lost to Tipp. 9/10 played prominent roles in 6 in a row. Fenton was injured at minor but through on 21 team in 2014.
We have no young up and coming forward anywhere near Con or Mannion, but for me Archer is the young forward with the most talent. Like any young forward, can't predict with certainty how he'll do at senior intercounty. I think the workrate comment is nonsense. As if a player is going to play with the Dubs and not work! Unfortunately he only got to play in one game in the league and did his hammer in the very next training session which ruled him out of the rest of the league, so with Con and Paddy Small returning I don't him seeing much time this year.
Dubs are back . . .
GLOT
Quote from: Gael85 on March 29, 2022, 10:41:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 29, 2022, 02:47:36 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on March 28, 2022, 09:20:49 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 28, 2022, 01:17:35 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 28, 2022, 01:03:41 PM
All that money spent on coaching over the last 10 years. Have they nobody coming through ?
They reached U20 All-Ireland finals in 2019, 2020 they should have a handful of those players coming through now however are struggling to do so under their poor Dessie Farrell management setup.
Them u20s lads will be 23/24 next year and will see more game time next year. A good few got run in O'Byrne Cup and League.
How many of them has established themselves as senior county players? Archer looked the real deal at U20 level and for whatever reason hasn't made the step up. Costello,Mannion,Fenton,Kilkenny,J McCaffrey etc were all standing out in their early 20s on the senior team or be in a different environment and under a better management team.
Peadar O'Cofaigh Byrne only player to have got championship time and he missed the league with injury. Lorcan O'Dell, Ross McGarry and Brian O'Leary got a couple chances in league but probably too early for them. Archer has long way to go, doesn't have the work rate. The lads you mentioned you were part of the greatest Dublin minor team of 2011 even though lost to Tipp. 9/10 played prominent roles in 6 in a row. Fenton was injured at minor but came through on 21 team in 2014.
I only found out recently that Peadar O'Cofaigh Byrne is a son of Blathnaid Ni Chofaigh!