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Also - lost in the BS about Mullan and McManus

How far has Eoin Lennons performances fallen?

Frighteningly poor - but travelling to and from Liverpool isn't a good idea - not even training with the team regularly.

Yes the trip to Liverpool has made all the difference, he hasn't been the same since.

On the bright side(if there is one after today), we play Latton in the championship Friday night, hopefully Lennon will be below-par for that too(but back to top form for the qualifiers)!  

[Think there's a photo on sportsfile that you can see it a bit better.]

See the attempt at an eye-gouge by Doherty?

How do you know it was an attempt an that. Clerkin came in to try and out muscle Doc off the ball. Fergal took a dislike and the two choked each other to the ground.

I was just wondering how anyone else saw it. Heard from someone after that was sitting at that far side with a better view and they reckoned there was something in it. All I saw was when Dick was on the ground you could see Doherty's left hand come round to his face, but sure you couldn't see much after that. Think there's a photo on sportsfile that you can see it a bit better.

http://www.sportsfile.com/id/355249/5000/

Yeah that's the one. Not a great view of it but you can make out Doherty's hand over Clerkin's eyes, and that hand was totally missed by the TV cameras. Doubt he'll get pulled up on it.

Mullan had him in the headlock before McManus grabbed him! FFS JMohan, wise up!

Yep, that's how I saw it, Mullen had McManus by the head after he broke the ball, McManus had Mullen around the chest, they fell to the ground in a bundle. Not a sore loser as we kicked ourselves out of it in the first half, but JMohan you must be on the wind up to suggest Mullen doesn't deserve a ban for a dirty act like that.

See the attempt at an eye-gouge by Doherty?

How do you know it was an attempt an that. Clerkin came in to try and out muscle Doc off the ball. Fergal took a dislike and the two choked each other to the ground.

I was just wondering how anyone else saw it. Heard from someone after that was sitting at that far side with a better view and they reckoned there was something in it. All I saw was when Dick was on the ground you could see Doherty's left hand come round to his face, but sure you couldn't see much after that. Think there's a photo on sportsfile that you can see it a bit better.

See the attempt at an eye-gouge by Doherty?

One thing is abundantly clear following today's game...neither Derry or Monaghan will be climbing the steps of the Hogan anytime this year.

I would agree, although before today I didn't think that either.

Is it as bad as a knee to the balls?

As I say, I don't think it was a clear tackle as you say it is. McManus goes up to catch the ball, Mullen comes from behind and breaks it away, and leaves the arm around McManus's head. McManus wraps his arms around him and their legs get tangled and they go down. I can see how it can be seen as a rugby tackle, but McManus isn't a player who usually would be fit to do that and wouldn't try! Even if he did, you're seriously saying he deserved a knee to the balls for his efforts?! Alot of pulling and dragging goes on in alot of games, but as I said earlier you don't see a knee to the balls after every such incident.

Rewatching the match I see Tommy freeman got a wee headbutt in on Mc Guckin...

I hope you intend on pointing out all the Derry incidents too.

Incidentally, after watching the Mullen knee incident again, yes McManus had his arms around him but Mullen had his arm around McManus head while they fell, watch it again. You could say McManus had every right to tackle him because Mullen had him by the head... 

Regardless of what happened in the build-up, to condone a knee to the balls is bullshit.

JMohan you're talking some shite. I'll assume you haven't seen the incident as it was caught by the cameras yet. If you have and still think like that, then you need to seek help.

Yes, most of the blame from the Derry crowd by the looks of it, no surprise there. Neutrals seem to see the true story, both sides were guilty of it being that type of game.

Maybe Cassidy will continue playing like this, why change a winning system right?  All I'm saying is you'll be singing an entirely different tune should a similar game be played in the semi-final, I suppose it would then be either Tyrone/Armagh's fault. As you said, it takes two to tango.

take off the county coloured goggles lads.

Mc Cloy, Mc Guckin and B Mc Goldrick were acting as big a c***ts all day long as were D Mone, Clerkin, Woods.

Monaghan as many have said had never any intention of playing football, Derry just fought fire with fire and won simple as that. Woods, Clerkin D Mone are no angels and Hanratty at the end with Mc Cloy, Mc Cloys bigger so he's obviously going to come off better from it but it takes 2 to tango.

Like I said before, name another game Derry have played with that style, better still name a game Monaghan haven't.

Did you actually see this incident? McGuckian and McCloy were pushing Hanratty and Downey around like ragdolls, them wee boys aren't stupid enough to go looking for trouble with these brutes. Then you have Gillis running out of goal to get Hanratty in a headlock, and McCloy does the same.

And lets not forget this is Cassidy's championship debut, maybe he intends on playing every game like this!  I doubt you'd be as critical of it then! When it's Monaghan you say we have no intention of playing football, when it's Derry they're fighting with fire in their bellies, they were both the same FFS!

take off the county coloured goggles lads.

Mc Cloy, Mc Guckin and B Mc Goldrick were acting as big a c***ts all day long as were D Mone, Clerkin, Woods.

Finally a bit of sense!

Oakleafer would you cop onto yourself, you really know how to rub it in don't you! Ever heard of being gracious in victory? Now you're pouring scorn on all of Monaghan's games in recent times. As we've nowhere near the resources of bigger counties like yourselves we have to play on the edge with alot of intensity in an attempt to compete. Losing anyone to injury is a huge loss, unlike yourselves where yous have a heap of boys ready to step in seemlessly.

What was the craic with the numbers on the monagahan jerseys??

Apparently the numbers on the back were made up of the names of the panel and backroom team! Don't understand it myself, seems a bit over the top, think the Irish rugby team did something like that didn't they?

Now Whiskey Steve etc, you opinions on Chrissy Mc Kaigue after today please...would have preferred Brian og Mc Alary on. After his point he did very little.

Seems like a bit of a mouthpiece to me, bit of playacting late on too when he claimed Damien Freeman struck him, made a show of himself.

Missing JP Mone who is a huge miss for us, we don't the same resources as Derry to cope with injuries lest you forget. Paul McGuigan came on but not fit, he'd be a starter if he was at all fit this last while. And Lennon, well he might as well not been there in midfield, non-existant and the bad form clearly continuing.

Anyway, well done Derry and all the best. But it's awful hard to say that considering some of the shite you Derry ones are coming out with.