Ireland's Greatest Sporting Moment RTE 2

Started by BennyCake, November 09, 2017, 09:57:28 PM

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Tony Baloney

Quote from: AZOffaly on December 10, 2017, 04:21:51 PM
Is that the Bull Hayes you're talking about? I think he was 18 or so before he played Rugby. Mind you he was tackling cattle for a while before that.
Probably. Being well over 6 foot and the best part of 20 stone of brick shithouseness helped his cause.

tonto1888

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 10, 2017, 02:41:18 PM
Quote from: lenny on December 10, 2017, 02:32:02 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 10, 2017, 01:45:27 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 10, 2017, 09:00:55 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 09, 2017, 08:30:22 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 09, 2017, 06:34:30 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 09, 2017, 05:35:20 PM
Would Rob Heffernan's World Championship win in 2013 not be as good an achievement as O'Sullivan's?

Maybe walking isn't a real sport. Loads of people just watch the walking for the party afterwards and most of them have never walked in their life. ;)

Walking is a sport but it'd bore a monk to tears.

Anyone trying to discredit sports as sports needs to get their ego in check.

Some sports are better than others, some "sports" aren't even really sports, they merely require a lot of dedication and hard work and pretty much zero in the way of natural skill or ability
My goodness, is that a climb down? Some sports aren't really sports?

Is it a climbdown? No

Is it a recognition that some people deem events that should not be considered as sports, as sports? Yes.

The likes of weightlifting, rugby, etc require things like size, a lot of gym work and a considerable amount of steroids.

Events like walking just involve taking a form of exercise very seriously.

They are absent of skill.

Quite a high number of soccer players are totally devoid of skill including most Irish players. They are just physically strong and hard working. They can't trap a ball, pass the ball or use their weaker foot.

I doubt they are devoid of skill. To make it as a professional in football is very tough to do. It's easier to make it to the highest level of international rugby than it is to make it in non-league football.

Who was the Irish Rugby international who took up Rugby when he was around 18? Says it all really.

What does it say?

lenny

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 10, 2017, 02:41:18 PM
Quote from: lenny on December 10, 2017, 02:32:02 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 10, 2017, 01:45:27 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 10, 2017, 09:00:55 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 09, 2017, 08:30:22 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 09, 2017, 06:34:30 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 09, 2017, 05:35:20 PM
Would Rob Heffernan's World Championship win in 2013 not be as good an achievement as O'Sullivan's?

Maybe walking isn't a real sport. Loads of people just watch the walking for the party afterwards and most of them have never walked in their life. ;)

Walking is a sport but it'd bore a monk to tears.

Anyone trying to discredit sports as sports needs to get their ego in check.

Some sports are better than others, some "sports" aren't even really sports, they merely require a lot of dedication and hard work and pretty much zero in the way of natural skill or ability
My goodness, is that a climb down? Some sports aren't really sports?

Is it a climbdown? No

Is it a recognition that some people deem events that should not be considered as sports, as sports? Yes.

The likes of weightlifting, rugby, etc require things like size, a lot of gym work and a considerable amount of steroids.

Events like walking just involve taking a form of exercise very seriously.

They are absent of skill.

Quite a high number of soccer players are totally devoid of skill including most Irish players. They are just physically strong and hard working. They can't trap a ball, pass the ball or use their weaker foot.

I doubt they are devoid of skill. To make it as a professional in football is very tough to do. It's easier to make it to the highest level of international rugby than it is to make it in non-league football.

Who was the Irish Rugby international who took up Rugby when he was around 18? Says it all really.

Didier Drogba didn't take up soccer until he was 15. He became the best player in africa and also the best player in england for a good few seasons. Says it all really.

tonto1888

Ken Norton, Bernard Hopkins, Hakeen the dream. All late bloomers. It happens

lenny

Quote from: tonto1888 on December 10, 2017, 07:08:40 PM
Ken Norton, Bernard Hopkins, Hakeen the dream. All late bloomers. It happens

Kevin Moran never took up soccer until he started at UCD and only went over to england when he was 21. He became a star for man united and ireland. Says it all really about soccer.

From the Bunker

Quote from: lenny on December 10, 2017, 08:02:53 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 10, 2017, 07:08:40 PM
Ken Norton, Bernard Hopkins, Hakeen the dream. All late bloomers. It happens

Kevin Moran never took up soccer until he started at UCD and only went over to england when he was 21. He became a star for man united and ireland. Says it all really about soccer in the 70's.

Finished that one for you.

Bord na Mona man

Quote from: stew on December 08, 2017, 11:20:18 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on December 08, 2017, 12:52:07 PM
Quote from: stew on December 08, 2017, 12:37:23 PM
Anything less than absolute victory in a sporting event should not even be considered!

Carruth, McGuigan and O'Sullivan are three examples
How many Olympic golds did Sonia win?

She won a silver, beaten by a Chinese athlete I believe.

She finished 4th in the worlds once, got destroyed by three Chinese dopers nobody had ever heard of, she won that race because she was clean, she was a winner and if you are happy with Ireland beating Romania in a shoot out as our greatest moment or someone bravely nearly wiining in the green fair f**ks to you, you compete to win and if you don't it can still be a great accomplishment, it just cant be the countrys best sporting moment.
You've contradicted yourself though. As talented a runner as O'Sullivan was, she didn't fully deliver on the biggest stage.
In the 1992 Olympics she made a tactical error in hitting the front too early and reversed into 4th position. In 1996 when she was the fastest runner in the field that year and the gold medal should have been a tap in, she had an emotional meltdown.
By 2000 she was slightly over the hill, so a silver medal was a decent enough achievement.

lenny

Quote from: From the Bunker on December 10, 2017, 08:38:19 PM
Quote from: lenny on December 10, 2017, 08:02:53 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 10, 2017, 07:08:40 PM
Ken Norton, Bernard Hopkins, Hakeen the dream. All late bloomers. It happens

Kevin Moran never took up soccer until he started at UCD and only went over to england when he was 21. He became a star for man united and ireland. Says it all really about soccer in the 70's.

Finished that one for you.

?? What does it say about soccer in the 70s? He played most of his career in the 80s. He only joined united in 78 and he played until 1994. He was captain of blackburn for his last couple of seasons when they finished in the top 4 of the premier league.

From the Bunker

Quote from: lenny on December 10, 2017, 09:10:04 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 10, 2017, 08:38:19 PM
Quote from: lenny on December 10, 2017, 08:02:53 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 10, 2017, 07:08:40 PM
Ken Norton, Bernard Hopkins, Hakeen the dream. All late bloomers. It happens

Kevin Moran never took up soccer until he started at UCD and only went over to england when he was 21. He became a star for man united and ireland. Says it all really about soccer in the 70's.

Finished that one for you.

?? What does it say about soccer in the 70s? He played most of his career in the 80s. He only joined united in 78 and he played until 1994. He was captain of blackburn for his last couple of seasons when they finished in the top 4 of the premier league.

Apologies - I meant in no way to belittle Kevin Moran or his achievements. It was easier for players who went to England in the 70's and 80's. They'd more than likely get their chance to develop, no matter how late they went. Kevin Moran and Paul McGrath are prime examples of this. Such a situation would never happen today.  Not with the ''Top'' clubs.

Esmarelda

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 10, 2017, 02:41:18 PM
Quote from: lenny on December 10, 2017, 02:32:02 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 10, 2017, 01:45:27 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 10, 2017, 09:00:55 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 09, 2017, 08:30:22 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 09, 2017, 06:34:30 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 09, 2017, 05:35:20 PM
Would Rob Heffernan's World Championship win in 2013 not be as good an achievement as O'Sullivan's?

Maybe walking isn't a real sport. Loads of people just watch the walking for the party afterwards and most of them have never walked in their life. ;)

Walking is a sport but it'd bore a monk to tears.

Anyone trying to discredit sports as sports needs to get their ego in check.

Some sports are better than others, some "sports" aren't even really sports, they merely require a lot of dedication and hard work and pretty much zero in the way of natural skill or ability
My goodness, is that a climb down? Some sports aren't really sports?

Is it a climbdown? No

Is it a recognition that some people deem events that should not be considered as sports, as sports? Yes.

The likes of weightlifting, rugby, etc require things like size, a lot of gym work and a considerable amount of steroids.

Events like walking just involve taking a form of exercise very seriously.

They are absent of skill.

Quite a high number of soccer players are totally devoid of skill including most Irish players. They are just physically strong and hard working. They can't trap a ball, pass the ball or use their weaker foot.

I doubt they are devoid of skill. To make it as a professional in football is very tough to do. It's easier to make it to the highest level of international rugby than it is to make it in non-league football.

Who was the Irish Rugby international who took up Rugby when he was around 18? Says it all really.
Shades of grey at least. You never defined a sport for me. Where do you draw the line on it? Are weightlifting and walking below the line, i.e. not sports? What about darts and snooker?

Tony Baloney

Sean Og O hAilpin didn't even arrive in Ireland until he was ready for secondary school and went on to success with Cork. Says it all about hurling too.

Il Bomber Destro

Quote from: tonto1888 on December 10, 2017, 05:58:28 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 10, 2017, 02:41:18 PM
Quote from: lenny on December 10, 2017, 02:32:02 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 10, 2017, 01:45:27 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 10, 2017, 09:00:55 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 09, 2017, 08:30:22 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 09, 2017, 06:34:30 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 09, 2017, 05:35:20 PM
Would Rob Heffernan's World Championship win in 2013 not be as good an achievement as O'Sullivan's?

Maybe walking isn't a real sport. Loads of people just watch the walking for the party afterwards and most of them have never walked in their life. ;)

Walking is a sport but it'd bore a monk to tears.

Anyone trying to discredit sports as sports needs to get their ego in check.

Some sports are better than others, some "sports" aren't even really sports, they merely require a lot of dedication and hard work and pretty much zero in the way of natural skill or ability
My goodness, is that a climb down? Some sports aren't really sports?

Is it a climbdown? No

Is it a recognition that some people deem events that should not be considered as sports, as sports? Yes.

The likes of weightlifting, rugby, etc require things like size, a lot of gym work and a considerable amount of steroids.

Events like walking just involve taking a form of exercise very seriously.

They are absent of skill.

Quite a high number of soccer players are totally devoid of skill including most Irish players. They are just physically strong and hard working. They can't trap a ball, pass the ball or use their weaker foot.

I doubt they are devoid of skill. To make it as a professional in football is very tough to do. It's easier to make it to the highest level of international rugby than it is to make it in non-league football.

Who was the Irish Rugby international who took up Rugby when he was around 18? Says it all really.

What does it say?

That you don't need any skill to make it in rugby. Just brute strength and size.

Il Bomber Destro

Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 10, 2017, 11:03:07 PM
Sean Og O hAilpin didn't even arrive in Ireland until he was ready for secondary school and went on to success with Cork. Says it all about hurling too.

It does, an amateur sport taken seriously by about 8  counties in a very small country.

lenny

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 11, 2017, 11:29:03 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 10, 2017, 05:58:28 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 10, 2017, 02:41:18 PM
Quote from: lenny on December 10, 2017, 02:32:02 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 10, 2017, 01:45:27 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 10, 2017, 09:00:55 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 09, 2017, 08:30:22 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 09, 2017, 06:34:30 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 09, 2017, 05:35:20 PM
Would Rob Heffernan's World Championship win in 2013 not be as good an achievement as O'Sullivan's?

Maybe walking isn't a real sport. Loads of people just watch the walking for the party afterwards and most of them have never walked in their life. ;)

Walking is a sport but it'd bore a monk to tears.

Anyone trying to discredit sports as sports needs to get their ego in check.

Some sports are better than others, some "sports" aren't even really sports, they merely require a lot of dedication and hard work and pretty much zero in the way of natural skill or ability
My goodness, is that a climb down? Some sports aren't really sports?

Is it a climbdown? No

Is it a recognition that some people deem events that should not be considered as sports, as sports? Yes.

The likes of weightlifting, rugby, etc require things like size, a lot of gym work and a considerable amount of steroids.

Events like walking just involve taking a form of exercise very seriously.

They are absent of skill.

Quite a high number of soccer players are totally devoid of skill including most Irish players. They are just physically strong and hard working. They can't trap a ball, pass the ball or use their weaker foot.

I doubt they are devoid of skill. To make it as a professional in football is very tough to do. It's easier to make it to the highest level of international rugby than it is to make it in non-league football.

Who was the Irish Rugby international who took up Rugby when he was around 18? Says it all really.

What does it say?

That you don't need any skill to make it in rugby. Just brute strength and size.

Yawn yawn. A bit like soccer then with kevin moran taking it up when he was at ucd and Didier drogba taking it up when he was 15.

Il Bomber Destro

Quote from: lenny on December 11, 2017, 12:30:56 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 11, 2017, 11:29:03 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 10, 2017, 05:58:28 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 10, 2017, 02:41:18 PM
Quote from: lenny on December 10, 2017, 02:32:02 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 10, 2017, 01:45:27 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 10, 2017, 09:00:55 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 09, 2017, 08:30:22 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 09, 2017, 06:34:30 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 09, 2017, 05:35:20 PM
Would Rob Heffernan's World Championship win in 2013 not be as good an achievement as O'Sullivan's?

Maybe walking isn't a real sport. Loads of people just watch the walking for the party afterwards and most of them have never walked in their life. ;)

Walking is a sport but it'd bore a monk to tears.

Anyone trying to discredit sports as sports needs to get their ego in check.

Some sports are better than others, some "sports" aren't even really sports, they merely require a lot of dedication and hard work and pretty much zero in the way of natural skill or ability
My goodness, is that a climb down? Some sports aren't really sports?

Is it a climbdown? No

Is it a recognition that some people deem events that should not be considered as sports, as sports? Yes.

The likes of weightlifting, rugby, etc require things like size, a lot of gym work and a considerable amount of steroids.

Events like walking just involve taking a form of exercise very seriously.

They are absent of skill.

Quite a high number of soccer players are totally devoid of skill including most Irish players. They are just physically strong and hard working. They can't trap a ball, pass the ball or use their weaker foot.

I doubt they are devoid of skill. To make it as a professional in football is very tough to do. It's easier to make it to the highest level of international rugby than it is to make it in non-league football.

Who was the Irish Rugby international who took up Rugby when he was around 18? Says it all really.

What does it say?

That you don't need any skill to make it in rugby. Just brute strength and size.

Yawn yawn. A bit like soccer then with kevin moran taking it up when he was at ucd and Didier drogba taking it up when he was 15.

Both of those statements are untrue. Moran and Drogba started much earlier than that.

It's very true that a 100 cap Irish international took up Rugby when he was an adult.