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#31
GAA Discussion / Re: Sam Maguire permutations
June 26, 2023, 10:46:23 AM
If Derry and Tyrone win their 1/4 finals there'll be no semi-final draw as the only way to avoid previous fixtures in the semis will be:

Derry v Tyrone
Mayo/Dublin v Armagh/Monaghan
#32
GAA Discussion / Re: Sam Maguire permutations
June 26, 2023, 10:21:43 AM
Quote from: full moon on June 26, 2023, 10:11:01 AM
Quote from: Estimator on June 26, 2023, 10:07:22 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 26, 2023, 09:38:19 AM
So if Derry beat Cork, and as one of Armagh/Monaghan go through, is that pairing possible in a sf since we've played Armagh in an Ulster Final and Monaghan in the groups?

If not, the one Semi permutation will possibly be Derry v (Kerry/Tyrone or Dublin/Mayo).


Is that right? That's a tough route for Derry if so, but then all routes are tough at this stage.

No repeat pairings in the semi final either!
Semi finals are an open draw surely?

Semi-final draw is even more restrictive than the 1/4 finals.
Semi-final doesn't allow a repeat of any previous Championship meetings, while 1/4s avoided provincial finals and round 1.
Therefore:
Kerry: can't play Mayo/Cork
Tyrone: can't play Arm/Mon
Armagh: can't play Tyr/Derry
Monaghan: can't play Tyr/Derry
Derry: can't play Arm/Mon
Cork: can't play Mayo/Kerry
Mayo: can't play Cork/Kerry
#33
GAA Discussion / Re: Sam Maguire permutations
June 26, 2023, 10:14:57 AM
If Kerry-Tyrone is a double header with Armagh-Monaghan, I presume the 3 Ulster teams will be shouting for Tyrone?
#34
GAA Discussion / Re: Sam Maguire permutations
June 26, 2023, 09:27:46 AM
Paddy Power have the fixtures already listed for Saturday and Sunday which is different to what I expected.
Also thought Kerry-Tyrone would be 50:50 odds wise.


#35
GAA Discussion / Re: Sam Maguire permutations
June 26, 2023, 09:13:23 AM
With Dublin v Mayo certain to be played Sunday due to Mayo being to only team that played yesterday, that means Kerry v Tyrone is certain to be on Saturday.
After that, hard to know, maybe Derry v Cork will then be put on Sunday to help with the traffic system for what will be close to a sellout.

Or sometimes they put Cork and Kerry on the same day.
#36
GAA Discussion / Re: Sam Maguire permutations
June 26, 2023, 09:08:28 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 26, 2023, 08:50:16 AM
Mc Carthy says there may be a draw for the semi-finals.

Bit mad that.

I don't see any scenario where there's not a draw.
E.g. 2 sets of repeat pairings
Kerry, Mayo, Armagh, Derry
Still need a draw to see if Kerry meet Armagh or Derry.

I wonder if there's an order for what they try to avoid:
E.g. Round 1 > Provincial Final > Earlier Provincial game.
#37
GAA Discussion / Re: Sam Maguire permutations
June 25, 2023, 11:03:38 PM
Quote from: restorepride on June 25, 2023, 10:16:04 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 25, 2023, 09:41:44 PM
Kerry guaranteed Ulster opposition and Cork and Mayo likely to face Ulster opposition.
No - it still depends on the order they come out tomorrow.  The 'can't play' clause is not a certainty. Otherwise the draw could go on for a long time!!!
Kerry have a 50% chance of playing Tyrone and 50% chance of playing Monaghan and 0% each of Cork and Mayo.
That seems like a certainty to face Ulster to me!

Cork and Mayo both have a 75% chance of playing either Derry or Armagh and a 25% chance of playing Dublin.

Sometimes thread titles aren't very accurate, but this one has hit the nail on the head!
#38
GAA Discussion / Re: Sam Maguire permutations
June 25, 2023, 10:13:43 PM
Today completed the Connaught-home-team-loses triangle.
Mayo lost at home to Roscommon
Roscommon lost at home to Galway
Galway lost at home to Mayo
#39
Sneaky Derry management, trying to sub the player that got red carded after he got red carded.
As if we needed another Dublin-Derry too many players on the pitch controversy.
#40
GAA Discussion / Re: Sam Maguire permutations
June 25, 2023, 05:02:41 PM
So Tyrone have a 50% chance of drawing Kerry and 25% each of Derry and Dublin.
Armagh have a 25% chance of drawing Monaghan and 37.5% each of Cork and Mayo.
Rest can be easily derived from that.

Group 1 (Ky, Mo, Ck, Lh) ended up being the best group with 3 1/4 finalists and Group 2 (Du, Ro, Ke, So) the weakest with only 1 1/4 finalist.

Armagh the only provincial runner-up to make it through.
#41
Quote from: naka on June 21, 2023, 01:46:46 PM
As I said Kerry are as apt to drop knees, nip ,etc and have always been for as long as I remember
Cathal o Rourke being taken out in 2000
Kennelly in the all Ireland final throw in against cork to name two that aren't even recent
Undoubtedly as cynical as anyone and  fair play they know how to
Win

You must think this Kerry team are very clean that you're going back 14 years and 23 years to a completely different generation of players for examples. Are you sure you're not missing some incident from the 1953 All-Ireland final as well?
Contrast that to Armagh where in the last 12 months alone, you've eye-gouging, dropping the knee on a head and hitting a player on the ground's head twice.
This current Armagh team are a filthy team commiting thugish acts, and no amount of whataboutery changes that fact.
#42
Quote from: armaghniac on June 22, 2023, 08:20:09 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on June 22, 2023, 04:54:38 PM
Seems very unfair on Kerry minors to play the Monaghan minors as part of a double header with the Monaghan seniors.
Didn't Croke Park take the minor finals away from before the senior final to protect them from having to play in front of a large crowd that are there for the senior game?
That should apply for other minor games also.

Not entirely fair, but Kerry got the benefit of this over the years, while Monaghan probably never did (although other Ulster supporters probably cheered for them).

Not since minor was changed to 16 and 17 year olds
#43
Cork v Roscommon is very hard to gauge.
2 Jekyll and Hyde (no pun intended) teams.
Which Cork team will show up - the Cork that lost to Clare and struggled v Louth or the one that beat Mayo and pushed Kerry all the way?
Similar with Roscommon, the team that beat Mayo and drew with Dublin or the team that got hammered by Galway and lost to Kildare?
#44
Seems very unfair on Kerry minors to play the Monaghan minors as part of a double header with the Monaghan seniors.
Didn't Croke Park take the minor finals away from before the senior final to protect them from having to play in front of a large crowd that are there for the senior game?
That should apply for other minor games also.
#45
Quote from: naka on June 20, 2023, 05:25:52 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 20, 2023, 02:59:08 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 20, 2023, 12:57:29 PM
Do Galway have anyone who would be considered a dirty player? They are developing a wee bit more cynicism but no one stands out.

There's no Galway or Kerry players who I would consider a dirty player.
You don't watch Kerry that much then
They are extremely cynical and have always been
But given they aren't northern it's not flagged up.

Cynical fouling to prevent a quick attack, yes, but by dirty I presume he means sly punches to the head, eye-gouging, dropping a knee onto someone  on the ground's head, ....