Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[Truthsayer]

This has gone long past Hamas attack... similar action was proposed here...
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/state-papers-dup-mp-william-mccrea-wanted-air-strikes-launched-on-the-republic-in-the-1980s/30867020.html

[ThomasMullan]

Yet it's only coming to light that almost 400 killed that day were IDF personnel and who knows what other innocents were actually killed by the IDF that day.

If Hamas had killed on IDF personnel and demolished the fence, they would have attracted some measure of international support. Going into houses and killing families and going to a rock concert and rampaging about is not acceptable, even if some military targets were attacked. By the same token, it not acceptable for the Israelis to kill Gaza families even if some Hamas targets were attacked.

So this is the " both sides are as bad as each other" argument, the invaded are on a par with the invaders?

You're referencing Armaghniac's comment from the Ukraine thread I take it. 

Palestinians have every right to resist the Israeli occupation, just as Ukraine has every right to resist the Russian invaders and the occupation of their country. However, I'd be horrified if the Ukrainian army conducted themselves like Hamas did on Oct 7th (or the Israelis in their actions since then).

It is possible to support Palestinians while also condemning Hamas for their atrocities.

that wasn't your response to theskull post when he posted that there are war crimes on both sides of all conflicts...

I didn't reference Hamas, Israel or Palestine - why would I?

I'll debate him or you on 'war crimes on all sides' on the Ukraine thread anytime you like.

 

[ThomasMullan]

Yet it's only coming to light that almost 400 killed that day were IDF personnel and who knows what other innocents were actually killed by the IDF that day.

If Hamas had killed on IDF personnel and demolished the fence, they would have attracted some measure of international support. Going into houses and killing families and going to a rock concert and rampaging about is not acceptable, even if some military targets were attacked. By the same token, it not acceptable for the Israelis to kill Gaza families even if some Hamas targets were attacked.

The lack of historical context in this post 🤢 Israeli landgrab and murder didn't begin on October 7 last year

Everyone knows that but it still doesn't excuse murder.

If you know it mention it... Netenyahu was itching to do this... is like carpet bombing West Belfast after the Birmingham bomb...

Yes it is, though more like the Kingsmills massacre. And who would defend that? Some on here by the looks of it.

[Armagh18]

Yet it's only coming to light that almost 400 killed that day were IDF personnel and who knows what other innocents were actually killed by the IDF that day.

If Hamas had killed on IDF personnel and demolished the fence, they would have attracted some measure of international support. Going into houses and killing families and going to a rock concert and rampaging about is not acceptable, even if some military targets were attacked. By the same token, it not acceptable for the Israelis to kill Gaza families even if some Hamas targets were attacked.

The lack of historical context in this post 🤢 Israeli landgrab and murder didn't begin on October 7 last year

Everyone knows that but it still doesn't excuse murder.

If you know it mention it... Netenyahu was itching to do this... is like carpet bombing West Belfast after the Birmingham bomb...

Yes it is, though more like the Kingsmills massacre. And who would defend that? Some on here by the looks of it.

Can't defend it, but like what Hamas have done, none of it happened out of the blue...

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Yet it's only coming to light that almost 400 killed that day were IDF personnel and who knows what other innocents were actually killed by the IDF that day.

If Hamas had killed on IDF personnel and demolished the fence, they would have attracted some measure of international support. Going into houses and killing families and going to a rock concert and rampaging about is not acceptable, even if some military targets were attacked. By the same token, it not acceptable for the Israelis to kill Gaza families even if some Hamas targets were attacked.

So this is the " both sides are as bad as each other" argument, the invaded are on a par with the invaders?

You're referencing Armaghniac's comment from the Ukraine thread I take it. 

Palestinians have every right to resist the Israeli occupation, just as Ukraine has every right to resist the Russian invaders and the occupation of their country. However, I'd be horrified if the Ukrainian army conducted themselves like Hamas did on Oct 7th (or the Israelis in their actions since then).

It is possible to support Palestinians while also condemning Hamas for their atrocities.

that wasn't your response to theskull post when he posted that there are war crimes on both sides of all conflicts...

I didn't reference Hamas, Israel or Palestine - why would I?

I'll debate him or you on 'war crimes on all sides' on the Ukraine thread anytime you like.

 

You did not mention the human rights, humanitarian law or war crimes the UN previously documented by the Ukrainian Army, when responding to theskull..

[ThomasMullan]

Yet it's only coming to light that almost 400 killed that day were IDF personnel and who knows what other innocents were actually killed by the IDF that day.

If Hamas had killed on IDF personnel and demolished the fence, they would have attracted some measure of international support. Going into houses and killing families and going to a rock concert and rampaging about is not acceptable, even if some military targets were attacked. By the same token, it not acceptable for the Israelis to kill Gaza families even if some Hamas targets were attacked.

So this is the " both sides are as bad as each other" argument, the invaded are on a par with the invaders?

You're referencing Armaghniac's comment from the Ukraine thread I take it. 

Palestinians have every right to resist the Israeli occupation, just as Ukraine has every right to resist the Russian invaders and the occupation of their country. However, I'd be horrified if the Ukrainian army conducted themselves like Hamas did on Oct 7th (or the Israelis in their actions since then).

It is possible to support Palestinians while also condemning Hamas for their atrocities.

that wasn't your response to theskull post when he posted that there are war crimes on both sides of all conflicts...

I didn't reference Hamas, Israel or Palestine - why would I?

I'll debate him or you on 'war crimes on all sides' on the Ukraine thread anytime you like.

 

You did not mention the human rights, humanitarian law or war crimes the UN previously documented by the Ukrainian Army, when responding to theskull..

Take it to the Ukraine thread.

But since you're here, do you defend the war crimes committed by Hamas on Oct 7th?

[seafoid]

You can't compare an atrocity in the North to anything in Israel/Palestine. Israelis don't consider the Palestinians as human. The Israeli Parliament voted this week to never recognise a Palestinian state.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Yet it's only coming to light that almost 400 killed that day were IDF personnel and who knows what other innocents were actually killed by the IDF that day.

If Hamas had killed on IDF personnel and demolished the fence, they would have attracted some measure of international support. Going into houses and killing families and going to a rock concert and rampaging about is not acceptable, even if some military targets were attacked. By the same token, it not acceptable for the Israelis to kill Gaza families even if some Hamas targets were attacked.

So this is the " both sides are as bad as each other" argument, the invaded are on a par with the invaders?

You're referencing Armaghniac's comment from the Ukraine thread I take it. 

Palestinians have every right to resist the Israeli occupation, just as Ukraine has every right to resist the Russian invaders and the occupation of their country. However, I'd be horrified if the Ukrainian army conducted themselves like Hamas did on Oct 7th (or the Israelis in their actions since then).

It is possible to support Palestinians while also condemning Hamas for their atrocities.

that wasn't your response to theskull post when he posted that there are war crimes on both sides of all conflicts...

I didn't reference Hamas, Israel or Palestine - why would I?

I'll debate him or you on 'war crimes on all sides' on the Ukraine thread anytime you like.

 

You did not mention the human rights, humanitarian law or war crimes the UN previously documented by the Ukrainian Army, when responding to theskull..

Take it to the Ukraine thread.

But since you're here, do you defend the war crimes committed by Hamas on Oct 7th?

No and I've made that clear from the very first posts of this thread. But I support international Law and the right to resist an occupation when peaceful means fail.

You rant that 'lives, hopes and dreams and aspirations don't count' when someone says war crimes on both sides in Ukraine/Russia but no issue both siding Israel/Palestine.

[ThomasMullan]

Yet it's only coming to light that almost 400 killed that day were IDF personnel and who knows what other innocents were actually killed by the IDF that day.

If Hamas had killed on IDF personnel and demolished the fence, they would have attracted some measure of international support. Going into houses and killing families and going to a rock concert and rampaging about is not acceptable, even if some military targets were attacked. By the same token, it not acceptable for the Israelis to kill Gaza families even if some Hamas targets were attacked.

So this is the " both sides are as bad as each other" argument, the invaded are on a par with the invaders?

You're referencing Armaghniac's comment from the Ukraine thread I take it. 

Palestinians have every right to resist the Israeli occupation, just as Ukraine has every right to resist the Russian invaders and the occupation of their country. However, I'd be horrified if the Ukrainian army conducted themselves like Hamas did on Oct 7th (or the Israelis in their actions since then).

It is possible to support Palestinians while also condemning Hamas for their atrocities.

that wasn't your response to theskull post when he posted that there are war crimes on both sides of all conflicts...

I didn't reference Hamas, Israel or Palestine - why would I?

I'll debate him or you on 'war crimes on all sides' on the Ukraine thread anytime you like.

 

You did not mention the human rights, humanitarian law or war crimes the UN previously documented by the Ukrainian Army, when responding to theskull..

Take it to the Ukraine thread.

But since you're here, do you defend the war crimes committed by Hamas on Oct 7th?

No and I've made that clear from the very first posts of this thread. But I support international Law and the right to resist an occupation when peaceful means fail.

You rant that 'lives, hopes and dreams and aspirations don't count' when someone says war crimes on both sides in Ukraine/Russia but no issue both siding Israel/Palestine.

'Rant' - no, merely making a point.

I'm not both siding - I support Palestinian right to resistance. I also recognise that the creation of Israel and their actions since are the root cause of everything. Also even if Hamas had murdered ten times the amount of civilians on Oct 7th it still wouldn't excuse Israeli actions since.

That still doesn't excuse Hamas actions on Oct 7th. Some on here just won't accept they were wrong to go on that killing spree.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Who are those on here?

 i wouldn't categorise it as a killing spree.

You are both siding and accepting of others both siding when its Israel/Palestine, but don't apply that to Ukraine/Russia.

[seafoid]

The goal of Oct 7 was to show the true face of Israel to the world. Today the Attorney general spoke at the ICJ about Israeli settlers. Mission accomplished.

[ThomasMullan]

Who are those on here?

 i wouldn't categorise it as a killing spree.

You are both siding and accepting of others both siding when its Israel/Palestine, but don't apply that to Ukraine/Russia.

Myself or others condemning the Hamas attack on Oct 7th is not 'both siding'. You've even stated yourself you don't defend their actions. My sympathy lies with the Palestinians as I have made clear in my previous post and others.

Compare that to Skull who, when presented with a video clip of a Russian unashamedly outlining his own personal contribution to ethnic cleansing, couldn't bear it, and had trot out with some whishy washy statement about all side committing war crimes. Now that, is clear 'both sides' crap designed to excuse the aforementioned Russian war criminal.

Edit: as for 'who on here' - just rewind to page 1 of this thread.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Who are those on here?

 i wouldn't categorise it as a killing spree.

You are both siding and accepting of others both siding when its Israel/Palestine, but don't apply that to Ukraine/Russia.

Myself or others condemning the Hamas attack on Oct 7th is not 'both siding'. You've even stated yourself you don't defend their actions. My sympathy lies with the Palestinians as I have made clear in my previous post and others.

Compare that to Skull who, when presented with a video clip of a Russian unashamedly outlining his own personal contribution to ethnic cleansing, couldn't bear it, and had trot out with some whishy washy statement about all side committing war crimes. Now that, is clear 'both sides' crap designed to excuse the aforementioned Russian war criminal.

I dont defend war crimes, I support resistence as outlined..

So to be clear when faced with comments about israeli war crimes. both siding is ok as Hamas committed war crimes but when faced with Russian war crimes mentioning Ukrainian war crimes not ok???

[ThomasMullan]

Who are those on here?

 i wouldn't categorise it as a killing spree.

You are both siding and accepting of others both siding when its Israel/Palestine, but don't apply that to Ukraine/Russia.

Myself or others condemning the Hamas attack on Oct 7th is not 'both siding'. You've even stated yourself you don't defend their actions. My sympathy lies with the Palestinians as I have made clear in my previous post and others.

Compare that to Skull who, when presented with a video clip of a Russian unashamedly outlining his own personal contribution to ethnic cleansing, couldn't bear it, and had trot out with some whishy washy statement about all side committing war crimes. Now that, is clear 'both sides' crap designed to excuse the aforementioned Russian war criminal.

I dont defend war crimes, I support resistence as outlined..

So to be clear when faced with comments about israeli war crimes. both siding is ok as Hamas committed war crimes but when faced with Russian war crimes mentioning Ukrainian war crimes not ok???

You don't defend war crimes, that's good, so you do condemn the Hamas war crimes committed on Oct 7th?

I've already explained that condemning Hamas is not both siding as it's not designed to excuse Israel.

Unlike Skull, who made his 'all sides' comment exactly to excuse the Russian. I guess his tankie brain couldn't cope and went into meltdown.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Who are those on here?

 i wouldn't categorise it as a killing spree.

You are both siding and accepting of others both siding when its Israel/Palestine, but don't apply that to Ukraine/Russia.

Myself or others condemning the Hamas attack on Oct 7th is not 'both siding'. You've even stated yourself you don't defend their actions. My sympathy lies with the Palestinians as I have made clear in my previous post and others.

Compare that to Skull who, when presented with a video clip of a Russian unashamedly outlining his own personal contribution to ethnic cleansing, couldn't bear it, and had trot out with some whishy washy statement about all side committing war crimes. Now that, is clear 'both sides' crap designed to excuse the aforementioned Russian war criminal.

I dont defend war crimes, I support resistence as outlined..

So to be clear when faced with comments about israeli war crimes. both siding is ok as Hamas committed war crimes but when faced with Russian war crimes mentioning Ukrainian war crimes not ok???

You don't defend war crimes, that's good, so you do condemn the Hamas war crimes committed on Oct 7th?

I've already explained that condemning Hamas is not both siding as it's not designed to excuse Israel.

Unlike Skull, who made his 'all sides' comment exactly to excuse the Russian. I guess his tankie brain couldn't cope and went into meltdown.

how did you know he was excusing Russia? and know others aren't excusing Israel? could that be your own bias/hypocrisy!!

I condemn all war crimes, I thought that would be clear from recent answers..