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« Reply #495 on: April 18, 2017, 11:21:40 PM »
Thought Bayern were well shafted tonight. The Vidal sending off was ridiculous.

Bayern must feel aggrieved.    Until video refs are brought into the ECL, undeserving results by poor ref decisions  like Liverpool in 05 will continue to blight the record.

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« Reply #496 on: April 18, 2017, 11:24:25 PM »
Ronaldo will be rightly pissed off that the young lad didn't pass to him for the 4th goal.

Feel the seethe . 

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« Reply #497 on: April 18, 2017, 11:31:46 PM »
Why anyone would think Ronaldo isn't a great footballer is beyond me.... his record alone on goal scoring is outstanding plus whatever else he brings to the table is huge...

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« Reply #498 on: April 19, 2017, 01:33:51 AM »
Why anyone would think Ronaldo isn't a great footballer is beyond me.... his record alone on goal scoring is outstanding plus whatever else he brings to the table is huge...

Ronaldo is so fit and strong I can see him aging like Ibrah has. Messi is obviously fit too but he doesn't have the sheer power to make up for losing the yard of pace like Ronaldo does. If he wants it he can be a 20+ goal a season player in the top leagues into his mid to late 30s.

If Messi was to fade away and Ronaldo pulls a Ibrah the GoAT debate between him and Messi swings Ronaldo's way imho.
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« Reply #499 on: April 19, 2017, 07:08:34 AM »
The older Messi gets, he just moves more into an Iniesta role. His vision and passing is never mentioned as much as his control and goal scoring but it's absolutely exceptional. He's plenty strong enough with low centre of gravity to play that role too.

The sending off of Vidal was ludicrous, particularly in context of the ref's apparent refusal to send Casemiro off. Cracking game though.
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« Reply #500 on: April 19, 2017, 07:11:01 AM »
Ronaldo isn't even in the mix for the title of greatest of all time in my opinion. Messi is a vastly superior player.

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« Reply #501 on: April 19, 2017, 09:26:28 AM »
Ronaldo isn't even in the mix for the title of greatest of all time in my opinion. Messi is a vastly superior player.

He's not in terms of ECL wins or international achievements.  With Argentina Messi has been nothing short of a flop so cannot be afforded the same status as Maradona or Pele.  Time is running out for him.  Ronaldo on the other hand captained Portugal to the Euros.

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« Reply #502 on: April 19, 2017, 09:37:01 AM »
Portugal's best performance in the Euros was the final which Ronaldo contributed nothing to apart from crying for himself. One could argue he was holding Portugal back with his selfish and lazy displays.

Messi was arguably Argentina's best player in taking them to the World Cup final. Not sure why Ronaldo is given credit for a trophy where he did nothing in the most important game while Messi is not given credit for getting to the final of a bigger tournament.

Regardless of the obvious flaws in your argument, trophies won has no bearing when judging how good a player was. Phil Neville has a cabinet full of medals yet was a shite player. 

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« Reply #503 on: April 19, 2017, 09:45:31 AM »
"With Argentina Messi has been nothing short of a flop "


Lol at this by the way. One of the most idiotic things I've read on here in a while which is saying something.

Averaging about a goal every other game, playing well in getting a limited side to a World Cup final, U-20 World Cup winner, Olympic gold medallist, named best player of the tournament at a World Cup and Copa America, most assists and man of the match awards in Copa America history etc etc.

Flop though apparently lol.

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« Reply #504 on: April 19, 2017, 09:54:24 AM »
Messi is an absolute genius - no other player can control a game the way he can. Even when double & triple marked he can do the business.

Ronaldo on the other hand has moments of genius but goes missing in many many games. Put a man marker on Ronaldo and he becomes annonymous ala Cashley Cole.

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« Reply #505 on: April 19, 2017, 10:29:52 AM »
Ronaldo shows up but can definitely go missing, and tends to lose the head when he does. He was anonymous last night until extra time and Madrid had the extra man. Of course, it could be argued that that was when they needed him most.

He was similarly awful in the two Champions League finals against Atléti.
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« Reply #506 on: April 19, 2017, 10:54:28 AM »
Messi is an absolute genius - no other player can control a game the way he can. Even when double & triple marked he can do the business.

Ronaldo on the other hand has moments of genius but goes missing in many many games. Put a man marker on Ronaldo and he becomes annonymous ala Cashley Cole.

Messi has faded significantly the last 12 months. Neymar was the one who drove the miracle against PSG it should be remembered. In fact if you were taking a player for the future rather than for simply the now from Barca it'd probably be him and not Messi.

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« Reply #507 on: April 19, 2017, 12:05:46 PM »
Messi is an absolute genius - no other player can control a game the way he can. Even when double & triple marked he can do the business.

Ronaldo on the other hand has moments of genius but goes missing in many many games. Put a man marker on Ronaldo and he becomes annonymous ala Cashley Cole.

Messi has faded significantly the last 12 months. Neymar was the one who drove the miracle against PSG it should be remembered. In fact if you were taking a player for the future rather than for simply the now from Barca it'd probably be him and not Messi.

Faded significantly? He's comfortably the leading scorer in both la liga and the Champions league. As usual, you're talking absolute garbage.
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« Reply #508 on: April 19, 2017, 12:25:01 PM »
Messi is an absolute genius - no other player can control a game the way he can. Even when double & triple marked he can do the business.

Ronaldo on the other hand has moments of genius but goes missing in many many games. Put a man marker on Ronaldo and he becomes annonymous ala Cashley Cole.

Messi has faded significantly the last 12 months. Neymar was the one who drove the miracle against PSG it should be remembered. In fact if you were taking a player for the future rather than for simply the now from Barca it'd probably be him and not Messi.
Bullshit he has carried Barca in La Liga with Neymar only showing periodically what he can do. It was Messi who took the fight to Juve only for Suarez to miss.

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« Reply #509 on: April 19, 2017, 05:58:02 PM »
Messi is an absolute genius - no other player can control a game the way he can. Even when double & triple marked he can do the business.

Ronaldo on the other hand has moments of genius but goes missing in many many games. Put a man marker on Ronaldo and he becomes annonymous ala Cashley Cole.

Messi has faded significantly the last 12 months. Neymar was the one who drove the miracle against PSG it should be remembered. In fact if you were taking a player for the future rather than for simply the now from Barca it'd probably be him and not Messi.

Faded significantly? He's comfortably the leading scorer in both la liga and the Champions league. As usual, you're talking absolute garbage.

As usual, you try to warp the facts to suit the opinion you want to state. To make it clear how marginal what you've said is, according to WhoScored.com Messi has 47 goals for the season in all competitions while Ronaldo has 43. Strange stat to try to make your stand on, to say the least.

Real sit three points clear at the top of La Liga with a game in hand, chasing a double and with a chance to become the only team to defend the European Cup in the CL era. Barca are likely to be eliminated from that competition tonight, in case you've missed it. Ronaldo was also was a huge part of Portugal's first major tournament win last summer.

Both have faded somewhat in recent years but it's Ronaldo who's got it done on the big stage the last 12 months. People remember hat tricks with it all on the line against Bayern Munich - less so against Pep's Man City swiss cheese defense on a rainy day in October.
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