The Many Faces of US Politics...

[screenexile]

Good to see John McCain is a hero again now that he's voting for Trump. . . that whole fighting for his Country and getting caught and tortured wasn't much to be fair!

[gallsman]

Right, for once leaving aside left and right, capitalist and socialist, Dems and Republicans, does ANYONE (stew, whitey, fox - you're included here) have a f**king clue what Trump was on about in his address to the Boy Scout Jamboree?!

[foxcommander]

When conservatives talk about fighting the virtually non-existent problem of "voter fraud" what they're really talking about is disenfranchising blacks and other minorities who are more likely to vote Democrat.

Oh dear lord. No - it's making sure that a legitimate form of ID is used in order to vote and prevent fraud.
If democrats get their way anyone who rolls up with a Taco Bell or Popeyes loyalty card will have a vote.

You have to ask yourself if voting is important to citizens why they won't obtain the correct paperwork in order to do so.
Surely not having any form of valid ID means there's something quite wrong with your existence.

of course you have to bring race into this. Nothing of the sort. This applies across the board to everyone.

[Denn Forever]

Surely not having any form of valid ID means there's something quite wrong with your existence.

Being  a stay at home, what are legitamate forms of ID that would be valid?

[Eamonnca1]

Right, for once leaving aside left and right, capitalist and socialist, Dems and Republicans, does ANYONE (stew, whitey, fox - you're included here) have a f**king clue what Trump was on about in his address to the Boy Scout Jamboree?!

He was bragging to those kids about the time one of his mates got the ride on a yacht.

If I had kids I'd keep them well away from that creep.

[Eamonnca1]

When conservatives talk about fighting the virtually non-existent problem of "voter fraud" what they're really talking about is disenfranchising blacks and other minorities who are more likely to vote Democrat.

Oh dear lord. No - it's making sure that a legitimate form of ID is used in order to vote and prevent fraud.
If democrats get their way anyone who rolls up with a Taco Bell or Popeyes loyalty card will have a vote.

You have to ask yourself if voting is important to citizens why they won't obtain the correct paperwork in order to do so.
Surely not having any form of valid ID means there's something quite wrong with your existence.

of course you have to bring race into this. Nothing of the sort. This applies across the board to everyone.

How many cases of voter fraud has there ever been?

If conservatives have their way the only people able to vote will be the descendants of slave owners.

[Oraisteach]

Foxy, you dismiss and then ignore my claim about voter suppression, hanging your hat , instead, on virtually non-existent voter fraud and and the need for strict voter ID laws to combat that virulent non-existent fraud. 

But there are many, many ways in which legitimate voters are deliberately and systematically disenfranchised.

You're familiar with the history of N. Ireland, right?  Then you're familiar with gerrymandering. Well, gerrymandering, here in the States, is as popular as NASCAR and gun-toting.

And don't forget its kin, redistricting, all carefully plotted to allow a minority (usually white) to hold sway over a majority (usually not white).

Then, there are the multitudinous schemes to dissuade people from voting (surprise, surprise, Gomer, but these people also tend either to be non-white, or young)--this includes drastically reducing the number of polling sites, especially in black neighborhoods, which puts an undue burden on the poor.  If they can make it to the site, then they have to suffer waits of hours upon hours, which time the working poor cannot give up.  Then, there's the relocating of polling sites far from where the would-be voters live.  That occurred, for example, in regard to Appalachian State U. in North Carolina, a largely black college.  I believe the nearest, but distant, polling venue there could accommodate just over 30-odd cars, just about the right number of spaces for a university.  BTW, if you want to research voter suppression, you could spend all your time on North Carolina alone.

Then there's the changing of polling hours, or the elimination of early voting days, which more adversely affects the poor, as does prohibitions on same-day registration and voting.

Similarly, bans on pre-registering teens who will be 18 on voting day also slashes the potential electorate.  People cry about voter apathy, but shouldn't a democracy be encouraging voters to vote rather than chasing them away.

Then, of course, in Florida, for example, there are the former prison inmates who have served their time and are not allowed to vote.  And, shock, horror, don't you know that the US has made an industry of incarcerating minorities. Make America's Prisons Great Again.

Which brings me back to voter ID laws.  Sometimes a law can be just on its face but unjust in its intention or application.  Such is the case with voter ID laws, seemingly reasonable but designed to disenfranchise.  In Wisconsin, DJT won by 22,000 votes, but upwards of 300,000 were prevented from voting.  Or you have Alabama where DMVs (where you get these voter IDs) were closed in a number of black neighborhoods.  Or Texas, where a gun license counts as acceptable ID, but a state-issued student ID does not. Golly. Remember, these are almost no examples of voter fraud, but it must be combatted fiercely.

Voter ID laws are today's version of the Jim Crow era poll tax.  To pretend otherwise is to be naive, obtuse, or, more likely, racist. 

There are lots and lots of examples of voter suppression.  I hope the Supreme Court has still enough decent souls left when it takes up the issue of gerrymandering in the days ahead.

[foxcommander]

Foxy, you dismiss and then ignore my claim about voter suppression, hanging your hat , instead, on virtually non-existent voter fraud and and the need for strict voter ID laws to combat that virulent non-existent fraud. 

But there are many, many ways in which legitimate voters are deliberately and systematically disenfranchised.

You're familiar with the history of N. Ireland, right?  Then you're familiar with gerrymandering. Well, gerrymandering, here in the States, is as popular as NASCAR and gun-toting.

And don't forget its kin, redistricting, all carefully plotted to allow a minority (usually white) to hold sway over a majority (usually not white).

Then, there are the multitudinous schemes to dissuade people from voting (surprise, surprise, Gomer, but these people also tend either to be non-white, or young)--this includes drastically reducing the number of polling sites, especially in black neighborhoods, which puts an undue burden on the poor.  If they can make it to the site, then they have to suffer waits of hours upon hours, which time the working poor cannot give up.  Then, there's the relocating of polling sites far from where the would-be voters live.  That occurred, for example, in regard to Appalachian State U. in North Carolina, a largely black college.  I believe the nearest, but distant, polling venue there could accommodate just over 30-odd cars, just about the right number of spaces for a university.  BTW, if you want to research voter suppression, you could spend all your time on North Carolina alone.

Then there's the changing of polling hours, or the elimination of early voting days, which more adversely affects the poor, as does prohibitions on same-day registration and voting.

Similarly, bans on pre-registering teens who will be 18 on voting day also slashes the potential electorate.  People cry about voter apathy, but shouldn't a democracy be encouraging voters to vote rather than chasing them away.

Then, of course, in Florida, for example, there are the former prison inmates who have served their time and are not allowed to vote.  And, shock, horror, don't you know that the US has made an industry of incarcerating minorities. Make America's Prisons Great Again.

Which brings me back to voter ID laws.  Sometimes a law can be just on its face but unjust in its intention or application.  Such is the case with voter ID laws, seemingly reasonable but designed to disenfranchise.  In Wisconsin, DJT won by 22,000 votes, but upwards of 300,000 were prevented from voting.  Or you have Alabama where DMVs (where you get these voter IDs) were closed in a number of black neighborhoods.  Or Texas, where a gun license counts as acceptable ID, but a state-issued student ID does not. Golly. Remember, these are almost no examples of voter fraud, but it must be combatted fiercely.

Voter ID laws are today's version of the Jim Crow era poll tax.  To pretend otherwise is to be naive, obtuse, or, more likely, racist. 

There are lots and lots of examples of voter suppression.  I hope the Supreme Court has still enough decent souls left when it takes up the issue of gerrymandering in the days ahead.

Oh jesus - I'm assuming the DMVs in question were closed for the last 4 years so voters could never obtain their IDs.
Again, if people were motivated to vote they would secure some form of ID which would allow them to do so. Why is it so scary to request that you can validate a voter. Thats a way bigger issue than the Russia nonsense. You'd think the democrats might be scared of being caught out with graveyard voters

Not enough parking spaces to vote!! Bet that doesn't stop them when they want to go to McDonalds. Polling hours don't suit?? Get out of bed earlier that particular day!

Wah wah wah. Stop making excuses. Get an ID.

[Eamonnca1]

How many cases of voter fraud are there, Foxy?

[omochain]

Foxy, you dismiss and then ignore my claim about voter suppression, hanging your hat , instead, on virtually non-existent voter fraud and and the need for strict voter ID laws to combat that virulent non-existent fraud. 

But there are many, many ways in which legitimate voters are deliberately and systematically disenfranchised.

You're familiar with the history of N. Ireland, right?  Then you're familiar with gerrymandering. Well, gerrymandering, here in the States, is as popular as NASCAR and gun-toting.

And don't forget its kin, redistricting, all carefully plotted to allow a minority (usually white) to hold sway over a majority (usually not white).

Then, there are the multitudinous schemes to dissuade people from voting (surprise, surprise, Gomer, but these people also tend either to be non-white, or young)--this includes drastically reducing the number of polling sites, especially in black neighborhoods, which puts an undue burden on the poor.  If they can make it to the site, then they have to suffer waits of hours upon hours, which time the working poor cannot give up.  Then, there's the relocating of polling sites far from where the would-be voters live.  That occurred, for example, in regard to Appalachian State U. in North Carolina, a largely black college.  I believe the nearest, but distant, polling venue there could accommodate just over 30-odd cars, just about the right number of spaces for a university.  BTW, if you want to research voter suppression, you could spend all your time on North Carolina alone.

Then there's the changing of polling hours, or the elimination of early voting days, which more adversely affects the poor, as does prohibitions on same-day registration and voting.

Similarly, bans on pre-registering teens who will be 18 on voting day also slashes the potential electorate.  People cry about voter apathy, but shouldn't a democracy be encouraging voters to vote rather than chasing them away.

Then, of course, in Florida, for example, there are the former prison inmates who have served their time and are not allowed to vote.  And, shock, horror, don't you know that the US has made an industry of incarcerating minorities. Make America's Prisons Great Again.

Which brings me back to voter ID laws.  Sometimes a law can be just on its face but unjust in its intention or application.  Such is the case with voter ID laws, seemingly reasonable but designed to disenfranchise.  In Wisconsin, DJT won by 22,000 votes, but upwards of 300,000 were prevented from voting.  Or you have Alabama where DMVs (where you get these voter IDs) were closed in a number of black neighborhoods.  Or Texas, where a gun license counts as acceptable ID, but a state-issued student ID does not. Golly. Remember, these are almost no examples of voter fraud, but it must be combatted fiercely.

Voter ID laws are today's version of the Jim Crow era poll tax.  To pretend otherwise is to be naive, obtuse, or, more likely, racist. 

There are lots and lots of examples of voter suppression.  I hope the Supreme Court has still enough decent souls left when it takes up the issue of gerrymandering in the days ahead.

Oh jesus - I'm assuming the DMVs in question were closed for the last 4 years so voters could never obtain their IDs.
Again, if people were motivated to vote they would secure some form of ID which would allow them to do so. Why is it so scary to request that you can validate a voter. Thats a way bigger issue than the Russia nonsense. You'd think the democrats might be scared of being caught out with graveyard voters

Not enough parking spaces to vote!! Bet that doesn't stop them when they want to go to McDonalds. Polling hours don't suit?? Get out of bed earlier that particular day!

Wah wah wah. Stop making excuses. Get an ID.

Oraisteach you are wasting your time trying to convince Foxy with coherent reason and facts... Let's face it there is no racism in the US and the GOP are going to make the middle class wealthy by making sure the Koch Bros get to increase their share of GDP.

[Oraisteach]

You're absolutely right, omochain.  Denial in the face of evidence.  No, mommy, I didn't eat the chocolate, said the child whose face is smeared with Cadbury's.

[seafoid]

Al Franken laughs at Scaramucci's use of Trump as a source that Russians didn't hack election

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzOxcy3K5tk

[seafoid]

Cognitive dissonance for Foxy

Fox attacks Trump via Shep Smith and Tucker "the Motherfucker" Carlson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pNQyraHNRY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNDXYC_7pfQ

[J70]

How come the media aren't reporting the riots in Minneapolis after that policeman shot the unarmed woman?

j70, Eamon and usual liberals - you must be outraged surely.

Where's Black Lives Matter on this one?

Yeah, I am outraged and feel awful for that poor woman, her fiance and her family.

You, on the other hand, see some sort of political advantage apparently, popping your head up above the parapet after weeks of silence to once again stick the boot in on black people.

What Minneapolis shows us is that there are people carrying guns and badges who shouldn't be

Once again, yes.

[J70]

How come the media aren't reporting the riots in Minneapolis after that policeman shot the unarmed woman?

j70, Eamon and usual liberals - you must be outraged surely.

Where's Black Lives Matter on this one?

Yeah, I am outraged and feel awful for that poor woman, her fiance and her family.

You, on the other hand, see some sort of political advantage apparently, popping your head up above the parapet after weeks of silence to once again stick the boot in on black people.

That isn't the case. Just pointing out the hypocrisy of liberals and BLM. No issue if a black police officer shoots a white person. That's totally fine. It's not racist. She came out of nowhere and the officer was defending himself. Maybe she had a spatula in her hand.
Just like Ferguson eh?
Without the robbery and the assault on the police officer. But let that slide.

Also note that there are no riots, no looting to mark the occasion. I guess those white folk don't want free stuff.

You will have to point out where liberals and BLM said that its ok for a black (or any other race of) cop to shoot a white person. I've obviously missed it.

And on your last idiotic comment, if white people had suffered at the hands of the state and the police the way black people have, there absolutely would be riots.