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Title: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on August 11, 2012, 10:19:15 PM
Thought it might be handy to have a thread for anyone with an interest in the other leagues outside of the Premier League.

La Liga,Serie A, Bundesliga, Ligue 1 etc etc.

Paris St Germain got lucky tonight,Ibrahimovic scoring a peno in the last minute to earn a draw.
Not the start the wanted after the money they have spent.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: The Worker on August 11, 2012, 10:22:38 PM

Paris St Germain got lucky tonight,Ibrahimovic scoring a peno in the last minute to earn a draw.
Not the start the wanted after the money they have spent.

Bit like sevco plc!
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: red hander on August 12, 2012, 03:23:36 AM
As entertaining a match as I've watched in any league for a long time, the big Swede is a class act
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Post by: From the Bunker on August 12, 2012, 11:42:46 PM
Good idea for a thread.
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Post by: gallsman on August 16, 2012, 11:57:04 PM
Only seeing this nonsense now. Premier league is the only league on the planet anyone should care about, it's the best. Sky Sports News said so. So there.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Billys Boots on August 17, 2012, 10:12:34 AM
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Paris St Germain got lucky tonight,Ibrahimovic scoring a peno in the last minute to earn a draw.
Not the start the wanted after the money they have spent.

If PSG don't walk Ligue-1 this year it will be the biggest shock of all time, I'd have thought. 
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: rodney trotter on August 17, 2012, 10:32:36 AM
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Paris St Germain got lucky tonight,Ibrahimovic scoring a peno in the last minute to earn a draw.
Not the start the wanted after the money they have spent.

If PSG don't walk Ligue-1 this year it will be the biggest shock of all time, I'd have thought.


The pressue is on PSG this season after the money they have spent. I think they have spent the most money by any European club this summer. Their last league title was in 94, so they have to deliver this season or Ancelotti will be told Au Revoir.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: turk on August 18, 2012, 12:24:50 AM
Excellent thread laoislad
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Post by: ziggysego on August 18, 2012, 02:37:30 AM
Does this include the IFA and FAI leagues?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Hoof Hearted on August 18, 2012, 09:09:08 AM
Does this include the IFA and FAI leagues?

no, a "Mickey Mouse Football" thread will be started shortly - will inlude the scottish league this year too
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: ONeill on August 20, 2012, 12:01:40 AM
Bilbao. 0-3 down. Back to 3-3. Lost 3-5. No Llorente.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Jonah on August 23, 2012, 10:12:36 PM
Decent enough game tonight in Spain's version of the Charity Shield
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Jonah on August 23, 2012, 11:17:09 PM
Some game this. 3-2 now.Is there two legs or only the one game?

Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 23, 2012, 11:19:19 PM
Two legs.
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Post by: red hander on August 24, 2012, 08:45:37 PM
Reus, who looked very good for Germany in Euros when he came on, scored on his debut for Dortmund tonight against Bremen. Was at the club as young player but let go as they thought he wouldn't make it. Spent 18m euro buying him back to replace Kagawa... Somebody fecked up at Dortmund all right!!!  In the continuing sad absence of St Pauli in the Bundesliga top flight, my new favourite team is newly promoted Greuther Furth, who not only play in green and white hoops, but their badge is a shamrock!!!!
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Post by: gerry on August 29, 2012, 10:01:19 PM
some game alright
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 29, 2012, 10:16:33 PM
Classic Messi free kick.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: gallsman on August 29, 2012, 11:45:36 PM
Really good game tonight - think both teams will be coming away happy. Real were fantastic in the first half and game should have been long over by the time Messi scored. Barca very good in second half. Nice little cameo for them from Song, lovely pass for the final Messi chance.

Barca have a deeper squad than previous years and with the likes of Alves, Villa and Cesc missing tonight they'll be very difficult to stop again. Real still top of the pile though, be interesting to see what they're like with targets on their backs. They'd been poor to date in the league, maybe this will kickstart their season.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Jonah on September 18, 2012, 07:31:51 PM
Can't find a Champions League thread,is there one?

Anyway looking forward to tonights game,best team in England v best team in Spain.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on September 18, 2012, 09:14:17 PM
City 1 up v Madrid
Great finish from Dzeko
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 18, 2012, 09:20:17 PM
City 1 up v Madrid
Great finish from Dzeko

That goal was all about Yaya Touré 1-1 now fine finish.
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Post by: hardstation on September 18, 2012, 09:29:17 PM
Fcukin hell.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on September 18, 2012, 09:32:49 PM
Crazy.
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Post by: hardstation on September 18, 2012, 09:33:01 PM
Jaysus, some game.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 18, 2012, 09:35:29 PM
Best team won Joe Hart should have saved that last goal.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: hardstation on September 18, 2012, 09:36:09 PM
Best team won Joe Hart should have saved that last goal.
Defender stitched him up.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on September 18, 2012, 09:36:53 PM
Best team won Joe Hart should have saved that last goal.

Don't agree.
If anything he kept them in the game with some great saves.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: gerrykeegan on September 18, 2012, 09:38:32 PM
Best team won Joe Hart should have saved that last goal.

Don't agree.
If anything he kept them in the game with some great saves.
Agree, Kompany ducked, he was to blame, cracking game.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Capt Pat on September 18, 2012, 09:41:32 PM
Best team won Joe Hart should have saved that last goal.
Defender stitched him up.

There may have been a slight deflection?

That was a fantastic final 20 minutes of foot ball. Its a good thing I didn't give up after 70 minutes of goalless footy Di Maria was superb at times, the best I have seen from him.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 18, 2012, 09:47:17 PM
Roy Keane on ITV thinks Joe Hart should have saved the last two goals. In fairness he was having a fine game before those goals.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: oakleafgael on September 18, 2012, 10:03:51 PM
Roy Keane on ITV thinks Joe Hart should have saved the last two goals.

Ah well sure that's that them.
King Keano knows all....

He sure knows all about goalkeeping, exhibit one Mr Craig Gordon.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 18, 2012, 10:15:14 PM
From BBC

GOAL- Real Madrid 3-2 Man City - Cristiano Ronaldo
Unbelievable! Utterly unbelievable! They were staring defeat fimrly in the face but now Real Madrid lead. Cristiano Ronaldo cuts in from the left and fires a shot that dips and beats Joe Hart, despite the keeper getting a touch. Hart has been great in this game, but he could possibly have done better with that. Jose Mourinho responds to the goal by sliding on to the ground on his knees like a young lad at a wedding. Unconfined joy for Real but only pain for City.


Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Jonah on September 18, 2012, 10:23:24 PM
Did anyone else notice when after the game they were discussing the 2nd goal and Keane was ranting about how Harte should have saved it,they cut to a wide shot of the fellas standing pitch side.
I could have swore I saw Southgate throwing his eyes up to heaven as Keane was lambasting Harte saying he should have stopped the 2nd goal.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 19, 2012, 09:28:41 PM
Barca 2-1 down v Moscow
3-2 up now
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on September 23, 2012, 08:37:16 PM
Someone cut a cable powering the lights at the Real Madrid game.
Sabotage they say.
I have the tool box ready if they need me to fix it!
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 29, 2012, 10:52:38 PM
Two late goals wins it for Barcelona.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 03, 2012, 09:11:01 PM
Only for Joe Hart Manchester City would be losing this game by three or four goals.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Square Ball on October 03, 2012, 09:12:02 PM
Only for Joe Hart Manchester City would be losing this game by three or four goals.

he has been outstanding indeed
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 03, 2012, 09:37:14 PM
Late lucky penalty rescues a point for Manchester City.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: hardstation on October 03, 2012, 09:40:39 PM
Late lucky penalty rescues a point for Manchester City.
Very lucky indeed.

Was that Gary Neville commentating? If so, does he try to show that he's not biased against Man United rivals by being totally biased towards them?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on October 20, 2012, 10:39:09 PM
Deportivo 4 Barca 5
Some game!

Barca wearing the worst kit I have ever seen.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Minder on October 20, 2012, 10:46:39 PM
Deportivo 4 Barca 5
Some game!

Barca wearing the worst kit I have ever seen.

Barca were 3-0 up after 18 mins
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: AZOffaly on October 22, 2012, 02:06:45 PM
Deportivo 4 Barca 5
Some game!

Barca wearing the worst kit I have ever seen.

Is this it? Cat malodeon. It looks like an orange that's just ripening nicely.


Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 24, 2012, 09:36:11 PM
Another Champions league defeat for Manchester City, they look out of their depth in this competition. Arsenal also beaten, in fairness they are always punching above their weight and may yet reach the next round.

Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Minder on March 30, 2013, 07:09:18 PM
Bayern 9-1 up against Hamburg, still 10 minutes left.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: rodney trotter on July 20, 2013, 12:29:13 AM
Tito Velanova stepped down as Coach of Barca due to the recurrence of the cancer illness.
http://t.co/ZW9xymnCNp
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: ardal on July 24, 2013, 06:09:58 PM
Tito replaced by a Newell old boy?

Bit of bit*hing behind the scenes I'd think. Think they can certainly continue on from here but wish it had been kept Catala.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on August 30, 2013, 10:22:15 PM
That was a great game. Delighted Munich scored in the last second hope they win penos now.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 30, 2013, 10:31:47 PM
A better watch than the 2012 Champions league final. Bayern Munich weren't going to lose that penalty shoot out after last minute goal were they?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: hardstation on August 30, 2013, 10:32:17 PM
Enjoyable game alright.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on August 30, 2013, 10:35:16 PM
Bring back Rafa.
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Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 30, 2013, 10:36:35 PM
Bad slip up by Chelsea near the end, showed enough against bayern to show they could be a force in Europe again this yr
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: orangeman on August 31, 2013, 12:50:19 AM
Cech is some keeper. He must have saved 6 certain goals.

Unlucky in the end.

Maureen wasn't looking too cool during extra time. He looked almost human.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: ONeill on August 31, 2013, 08:48:22 AM
Great start from Bilbao although Madrid @ 11 tomorrow morning.

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Post by: Tony Baloney on October 18, 2013, 09:15:41 PM
Anyone watching Hoffenheim v Bayer Leverkeusen tonight?! Seriously strange "goal" scored.

Ball clearly hit the side-netting but went through a hole in the net into the goal and the ref gave it! :o
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: ONeill on October 18, 2013, 09:57:00 PM
Mad stuff.

Roma - 8 wins from 8.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on October 18, 2013, 10:54:00 PM
Anyone watching Hoffenheim v Bayer Leverkeusen tonight?! Seriously strange "goal" scored.

Ball clearly hit the side-netting but went through a hole in the net into the goal and the ref gave it! :o


Yer man that scored must have been a f**king Biffo...They have previous.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: muppet on October 18, 2013, 11:17:17 PM
Anyone watching Hoffenheim v Bayer Leverkeusen tonight?! Seriously strange "goal" scored.

Ball clearly hit the side-netting but went through a hole in the net into the goal and the ref gave it! :o


Yer man that scored must have been a f**king Biffo...They have previous.

Kerry did it against Tipperary IIRC.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on October 18, 2013, 11:22:35 PM
Anyone watching Hoffenheim v Bayer Leverkeusen tonight?! Seriously strange "goal" scored.

Ball clearly hit the side-netting but went through a hole in the net into the goal and the ref gave it! :o


Yer man that scored must have been a f**king Biffo...They have previous.

Kerry did it against Tipperary IIRC.

HISTORY often hangs on fickle twists of fate. Go all the way back to 1981 when Offaly and Laois were usually neck and neck in their Leinster hurling championship clashes.

A thrilling and controversial match between the midland rivals ended in a 3-20 to 6-10 win for the Faithful men on their way to the All-Ireland title and the counties have experienced starkly contrasting fortunes since then.Could it have been different? Offaly's Padraig Horan bagged a controversial 'goal' that day -- which he later admitted was wide -- and in September of that year, Liam McCarthy took up residence in Offaly."The game was very tight and I remember cutting inside and having a bullet of a shot that went just the wrong side of the post," he recalls."I remember being absolutely disgusted with myself and then I heard Johnny Flaherty (Offaly corner forward) shouting and looking to claim a goal. The umpire had ducked and the shot went through the side netting so when he looked up it was in the back of the net so he gave the goal.""Anyone who has asked me about it since I have told them the true story."According to Horan, that game "made Offaly." After conceding six goals, it prompted management to change their 'keeper.Christy King made way for Damien Martin, who had won the county's first hurling All-Star 10 years earlier in 1971. That switch would have extraordinary repercussions as Martin made a stunning save to deny Galway late in the All-Ireland final. It seemed as if it had been all written in the stars for Offaly.On Sunday the teams meet again. Offaly are looking for their 14th consecutive championship win over the O'Moore side and, should they achieve that, their reward is a date with All-Ireland champions Kilkenny."I suppose in some ways you are on a hiding to nothing (playing Kilkenny). But it goes in swings and roundabouts. I would fear that hurling has gone back a little bit. Okay, you have the likes of Cork, Kilkenny and a few others who are still playing well, but the rest are a long way off," affirms Horan."You have to be careful with the likes of Laois and Offaly or all the work that has been done will be undone. I was at a meeting recently and we were told that more people than ever are playing hurling. That may be the case but the skill levels seemed to have dropped."Horan's son, Diarmuid, will line out for Offaly at the weekend, while another son, Cathal, withdrew from the panel to concentrate on his final exams. Offaly hurling is at a low ebb at the moment. They lost all of their Division 1B matches including a defeat at the hands of Laois.The experienced players from their 1998 All-Ireland success have all but gone. Gary Hanniffy, the last link to the victorious 1998 starting side, hung up his hurley for the last time after Birr's club final defeat earlier this year. In fact, only Ger Oakley, a sub in '98, remains. So, a clean slate on Sunday for both sides then. History changed because of Padraig Horan and the width of a post.Another fickle twist of fate could change things again.




To make things worse it was my uncle who was the Laois goalkeeper that day.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Minder on October 19, 2013, 07:52:05 PM
Tidy finish from Ibrahimovic today

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpqR7JDtqaU&sns=em
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 19, 2013, 07:54:28 PM
Tidy finish from Ibrahimovic today

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpqR7JDtqaU&sns=em
Like myself he has a great touch for a big man.
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Post by: All of a Sludden on October 20, 2013, 01:07:52 PM
Tidy finish from Ibrahimovic today

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpqR7JDtqaU&sns=em


Saw that earlier, some finish. This is even tidier.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/discover/you-need-to-see-this-goal-from-stephanie-roche-of-peamount-utd-610716.html
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Post by: Asal Mor on October 20, 2013, 01:51:13 PM
Interesting stuff there Laoislad. Laois really weren't far off in the early 80's. A good few very narrow defeats to teams that went on win the All-Ireland.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: ballinaman on November 22, 2013, 11:29:55 AM



5.30pm Saturday Borussia Dortmund v Bayern Munich




Hummels,Subotic, Marcel Schmelzer, Lukasz Piszczek all out through injury so that's 1st choice back 4 gone and Ilkay Guendogan gone too means that Dortmund will be up against it. Dortmund are 4 points behind at the moment.

Ribery who cracked a rib for France and  Schweinsteiger are out for Munich.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on February 01, 2014, 08:16:33 PM
Barca beaten at home tonight. Doesn't happen that often!
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Post by: SHEEDY on February 01, 2014, 09:53:41 PM
Barca beaten at home tonight. Doesn't happen that often!
1st time since april 2012 when real Madrid beat them. 25 consecutive wins at the nou camp since then.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Main Street on February 02, 2014, 09:43:57 PM
Straight red for Ronaldo  in A Bilbao v R Madrid, this evening,  play acting had been escalating with gay abandon for a while.
But considering Ronaldo's  chronic history of  play acting to getting opposing players sent off, it's more a case of chickens coming home to roost.

"It's been a fabulous game all along" Gerry Armstrong.
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Post by: rodney trotter on February 02, 2014, 11:09:50 PM
Atletico Madrid lead La Liga outright for the first time since 1995-96 after an impressive win over Real Sociedad: http://bbc.in/1blcg4E
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Rossie11 on April 29, 2014, 12:58:46 PM
Cant find a champions league thread so will use this one.
Massive match tonight between 2 teams with 14 European Cup between them

Good article here from Graham Hunter on the battle of wills between Pep and Bayerns hierarchy

If you didn't put a common-sense filter on some of the nonsense spoken after Real Madrid beat Bayern Munich 1-0 in last Wednesday's Champions League semi-final, you'd be left wondering: 'Did Barcelona really win 15 trophies under Pep Guardiola and have Spain definitely won the last two European Championships plus the World Cup in between?'
L'Equipe splashed their front page with a picture of 'their' scorer, France international Karim Benzema and the headline: 'Real Politik', going on to suggest that Madrid had given Bayern a base lesson in effectiveness and realism.

Franz Beckenbauer, for the second time in the Champions League knockout stages, chided Pep Guardiola's gameplan, stating post-match: 'Possession means nothing when your rival has all the chances to score. We can be thankful that we go back to Munich only 1-0 down.'
Sky television experts continued to chew over this idea that if a team has dramatic possession figures, but doesn't score, then the gameplan is at fault - the manager doesn't understand the concept of 'sterile' possession.  Really. Honestly.

It all seemed as if some in football have been waiting for the Guardiola/Spain football brand to falter, for just an instant, in order to yell: 'See! Told you that defending and counter-attacking was the way all along...!' What none of this post-match tosh took into account was the stark fact that, despite Madrid winning by a goal, Bayern's gameplan yielded everything except that equaliser.
Setting aside possession (something in which Guardiola puts biblical faith anyway but was especially keen to dominate in order to prevent Madrid counter-attacking more often and scoring more), Bayern had more shots at the target than Madrid and considerably more efforts on target, too.

Statistics are no more than a guide, not the be-all-and-end-all, but in light of the short-sighted attacks on his tactics Guardiola must have been grinding his teeth furiously in the knowledge that compared to Madrid's nine attempts at goal Bayern had 16, compared to Madrid's seven on target efforts Bayern had 11... and what's more the Germans had six efforts on goal blocked, too.
Arjen Robben: 'It's a shame we've not scored. Centimetres make the difference, as we saw with Mario Götze's chance in the second half. If one of our chances goes in we'd say we've had a good result.' Bayern's possession was never 'sterile', they just lacked a cutting edge.

Few took into account that Madrid had won their previous four home matches with Bayern, regularly scoring two or three goals, or that Carlo Ancelotti's side hit Schalke and Borussia Dortmund for a total of six goals at the Bernabéu in the last few months.
NB: That's the Dortmund side who have twice defeated Bayern this season.

Guardiola opting for 'control' of possession was reasonable on the night, based on the idea that if Madrid couldn't get the ball then their lightning counter attacks might be fewer in number. What the German champions lacked was the killer touch in front of goal. Guardiola's fault?
Whether or not you answer 'yes' to that question - bear this in mind.
Pre-match, Guardiola explained: 'We won our league a little while ago and that' s caused us to drop the intensity of our rhythm a little. We aren't facing this Madrid match in our best moment. We've had to play some league matches with nothing at stake and that cuts away at your competitiveness. Madrid are fighting for the league and they just won the Copa. 'Compared to them we'll really have to raise our level.'
He was right on the money. Add his reading of the situation to the tactics via which his team controlled the ball and the fact that they had significantly more chances on goal than Madrid and there's a case to suggest that Guardiola and Co didn't actually do all that badly.
But there's something more fundamental at stake here.
Of the four semi-finalists last week only Bayern played outright attacking football, front-foot stuff with an attacking lineup and an offensive mentality.
So it's incredible that it offended so many people.
Chelsea, understandably in the circumstances, parked the bus and took a commendable draw back to Stamford Bridge. Should they go through to their fourth UEFA final in six years then there'll be few who complain about such tactics.

Diego Simeone's Atlético press, harass and are defensively terrifically well organised.
But their style is not to flow forward, to play on the front foot or to ensure that there is aesthetic entertainment for the paying fan or neutral viewer. That's not their concern. Winning is.
As for Madrid, their goalscorer admits: 'We played very "tactically" and we surprised them on the counter. We were super conscious that Bayern is a team which likes to have the ball. So we had to defend as a group, stay really organised and be rapid in the counter attack.'
Nine times European champions, seeking La Decima, yet both praised and preening for winning off the back of 36 per cent possession at home.
Their former manager, Mourinho, must be green with envy. Had he tried this the likelihood is he'd have been hung, drawn and quartered in the media analysis, by fans and certainly by those above him in the boardroom.

Thomas Müller pointed out: 'Imagine! Real Madrid pull everyone back to within 40 yards of their own goal - at home! That showed us massive respect.'

Yet it's Guardiola whose team lost, who is being criticised around Europe and who appears to be far less far down the line of changing from Jupp Heynckes' direct, aggressive, high-pressure, winger-driven football to the emblematic positional play and fast-flowing passing game which appeared to gain him, Barcelona and Spain to some extent such affection from 2008 onwards.
The Catalan admits: 'I'm aware that I'm attempting something counter-cultural here in Germany. Here they like the way Real Madrid played against us, the counter-attacking football of Borussia Dortmund. But Bayern hired me, my style of football.'

One gets the unavoidable impression that there's more than just a place in the Lisbon final at play in Munich's AllianzArena on Tuesday.

A football philosophy is under the most unrelenting and unforgiving scrutiny.

Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Billys Boots on April 29, 2014, 01:30:08 PM
Thanks for the article Rossie11.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 29, 2014, 08:11:18 PM
Defending Champions league winners on the way out. Good night Ramos and Real Madrid.
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Post by: Captain Obvious on April 29, 2014, 08:23:41 PM
Great break away goal 0-3.  :o
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Post by: EC Unique on April 29, 2014, 09:18:26 PM
The Madrid boys will be enjoying showing up Pep.  ;D
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Post by: AZOffaly on April 29, 2014, 09:32:43 PM
I just can't warm to Munich. I think it's Ribery and more likely, robben. I can't stand the sight of the humpy hoor.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 29, 2014, 09:39:24 PM
Masterclass by Real Madrid and Carlo Ancelotti over the two legs will he now face his former club in the final? likewise for Jose.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Minder on April 29, 2014, 09:40:43 PM
Madrid are a brilliant outfit, devastating on the counter attack.
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Post by: CiKe on April 30, 2014, 08:15:46 AM
I just can't warm to Munich. I think it's Ribery and more likely, robben. I can't stand the sight of the humpy hoor.

Not a fan of either of them myself - Ribery especially, think robbed used be worse than now. That said would take them any day over Madrid. Ancelloti is a lot more likeable than Mourinho but find it difficult to warm to a team with Ronaldo and Ramos in it.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Billys Boots on April 30, 2014, 08:48:01 AM
I just can't warm to Munich. I think it's Ribery and more likely, robben. I can't stand the sight of the humpy hoor.

Not a fan of either of them myself - Ribery especially, think robbed used be worse than now. That said would take them any day over Madrid. Ancelloti is a lot more likeable than Mourinho but find it difficult to warm to a team with Ronaldo and Ramos in it.

There's always been something arrogant about Bayern - apart from what he does (occasionally) himself, I can't see the point of Robben (in a team sport); at least Ribery is creative for others. 

Real are some threat at the moment; their speed in attack is amazing - I think Mourinho would probably have a plan for that, and Atletico have already beaten them twice this year.  Interesting times. 
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Rossie11 on April 30, 2014, 07:16:31 PM
Adventurous from Mourinho?? hazard starts..
Hang on.. so do 6 defenders..
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on May 04, 2014, 07:29:25 PM
Champions league hangover for Atletico today losing 2-0 to Levante.
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Post by: Over the Bar on May 04, 2014, 10:10:58 PM
If Athletico go £300M into the red can they expect the City council to bail them out like Real a few years back to prevent them going bankrupt??
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Rossie11 on May 07, 2014, 09:58:03 PM
Forget about the EPL the real drama is in Spain. Madrid draw and drop 5 pts in 4 days and are now complete outsiders for the title.
Barca after been written off Saturday night can now win the title with 2 wins.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Rossie11 on May 07, 2014, 10:08:19 PM
By written off I mean they hit 1000/1 on Saturday... They are now 11/10..
Incredible collapse in odds
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on May 07, 2014, 10:11:06 PM
By written off I mean they hit 1000/1 on Saturday... They are now 11/10..
Incredible collapse in odds
Did you put anything on them at 1000/1
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Rossie11 on May 07, 2014, 10:17:10 PM
By written off I mean they hit 1000/1 on Saturday... They are now 11/10..
Incredible collapse in odds
Did you put anything on them at 1000/1

I wish..  The 90/1 Atletico for champs league is enough this season :-)
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: gallsman on May 08, 2014, 10:38:09 AM
Utterly insane stuff going on as they all try to chuck it away. Given their collapse in 2014, how Barca still have their destiny in their own hands is incredible. Of course, so too do Atletí.

Whatever about Atletí on the final day, I would trust them to beat Elche away this weekend given how shaky they are at the minute. Makes it all the more fascinating. If they were to draw that game, Madrid could nip in and steal it all. Football, eh?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Rossie11 on May 08, 2014, 12:55:53 PM
2 pts from 2 games will definitely win the league for Atletico.. However 3pts could mean they lose it.. (beat Malaga and lose to Barca!!) Madness..

Should Barca beat Elche (not guaranteed by any means) I think they have to be favourites to pip Atletico.
The pressure will be off and they will be safe in the knowledge that no matter what the result in the Nou camp Real cannot win the league.
The players would not begrudge Atletico the title but no way would they want to deny them and hand it to Real..

Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Rossie11 on May 11, 2014, 07:56:21 PM
Atletico 1-1 Malaga
Elche 0-0 Barca

All down to last game..
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: TabClear on May 11, 2014, 07:59:01 PM
Real gone after losing today. Sky will be delighted, all down to the last game between the top 2!
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: ONeill on May 11, 2014, 10:41:34 PM
Those top 3 have fairly jittered recently.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Minder on May 11, 2014, 10:42:32 PM
Would be some achievement if Atletico win it, a wage bill similar to Stoke City.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: ONeill on May 11, 2014, 10:44:47 PM
Could end up runners-up in both competitions. In fact, I think they will.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Apparently so on May 12, 2014, 01:08:46 AM
Its mad how much of a shambles Barca have been this season yet they can still win the league. Even if they do win, it will still be considered a failure of a season. They have a lot of shite to sort out this summer
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: mouview on May 12, 2014, 09:54:39 AM
Manager probably goin to get the chop for a start. New defenders needed to replace Puyol and maybe Mascherano. Cesc may decide to leave. Could they sell Messi to Citeh?

Atletico only denied by a fingertip save in injury time. So so close.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Rossie11 on May 12, 2014, 11:10:30 AM
Manager probably goin to get the chop for a start. New defenders needed to replace Puyol and maybe Mascherano. Cesc may decide to leave. Could they sell Messi to Citeh?

Atletico only denied by a fingertip save in injury time. So so close.

Absolutely brilliant save by Willy to deny them the league.
That could be as close as they get to the title as you feel Barca will have 1 big game in them when needed

Luis Enrique will be in next season and will bring urgency and aggression back to the side. Cant see Cesc leaving.
Xavi is on his last legs at that level so Cesc, Busquets and Iniesta  should be their midfield for the next few years
Cesc 27 Busquets 25 and Iniesta 30 is still a fairly young trio
Defense is where the surgery is needed. Alves will more than likely be gone to PSG. I can see them buying David Luiz. There is no guarantee their defense will improve next year
but if they get the work rate back across the team they may not need to do much to be challenging next April for everything.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: magpie seanie on May 12, 2014, 01:55:59 PM
Could end up runners-up in both competitions. In fact, I think they will.


Hope that doesn't happen. Have a feeling Real are destined for the "decima" but on recent form Athletico really should manage at least a point against Barca.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Rossie11 on May 12, 2014, 02:07:45 PM
Could end up runners-up in both competitions. In fact, I think they will.


Hope that doesn't happen. Have a feeling Real are destined for the "decima" but on recent form Athletico really should manage at least a point against Barca.

If Atletico won the league last night I would have made them favourites for the Champs league as they could have had some much needed rest. Now they have 2 finals in a week.
They have been brilliant all season but its a huge ask for them to peak for both games
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Rossie11 on May 17, 2014, 03:14:20 PM
5pm Barca  V Atletico La Liga decider
7pm Bayern V Dortmund German Cup final

Cracking evening..
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 17, 2014, 06:54:03 PM
After ten years of Barcelona,Real Madrid finally a different Spanish league winner. Well done Atlético Madrid.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on May 17, 2014, 06:55:14 PM
Delighted for Ath Madrid.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Saffrongael on May 17, 2014, 06:55:50 PM
Brilliant stuff, great sportsmanship from the Barcs fans too
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: ziggy90 on May 17, 2014, 06:56:58 PM
After ten years of Barcelona,Real Madrid finally a different Spanish league winner. Well done Atlético Madrid.
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Fair play Atletico, hope they go on to win the double now.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Minder on May 17, 2014, 07:54:37 PM
A coaching performance for the ages from Simeone this season.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Shrewdness on May 17, 2014, 09:56:13 PM
Diego Costa set to miss Champions League Final with hamstring injury.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Minder on May 17, 2014, 10:16:31 PM
Atletico were 66/1 at the start of the season to win La Liga.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on May 17, 2014, 10:32:41 PM
Atletico were 66/1 at the start of the season to win La Liga.
Their wage bill is around €25 million a year less than Queens Park Rangers!
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Rossie11 on May 18, 2014, 09:27:56 AM
Atletico were 66/1 at the start of the season to win La Liga.
Their wage bill is around €25 million a year less than Queens Park Rangers!

And their revenue is less than Newcastle's.
No one could begrudge them they were the best team over the course of the season. I hope now the  Spanish FA sort out the TV rights and give the other clubs a better deal (Barca and Real currently get 52% of the cake)..
Fair play to Barca fans staying in the stadium and applauding Atletico at FT. They get a lot of bad press as been bad losers stemming back from the Jose days but they showed their class yesterday.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: gallsman on May 18, 2014, 09:43:51 AM
Atletico were 66/1 at the start of the season to win La Liga.
Their wage bill is around €25 million a year less than Queens Park Rangers!

And their revenue is less than Newcastle's.
No one could begrudge them they were the best team over the course of the season. I hope now the  Spanish FA sort out the TV rights and give the other clubs a better deal (Barca and Real currently get 52% of the cake)..
Fair play to Barca fans staying in the stadium and applauding Atletico at FT. They get a lot of bad press as been bad losers stemming back from the Jose days but they showed their class yesterday.

The way it works in Spain it's not the Reef's call. Clubs negotiate directly with networks. Hence the big two dominating.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Hotshot Hamish on May 24, 2014, 07:40:14 AM
Looking forward to tonight. I'm guessing all neutrals will be hoping for an Athletico win?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on May 24, 2014, 07:25:53 PM
So who are we all backing?
I definitely think Madrid will win.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 24, 2014, 07:27:25 PM
So who are we all backing?
I definitely think Madrid will win.
Put the house on it.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Collie Brolly on May 24, 2014, 07:33:00 PM
Anyone watching Itv coverage?Gerrards face when Keane said England would struggle!
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: seafoid on May 24, 2014, 07:33:46 PM
3/1 is a good price for Atleti.

Lots of people put the house on the celtic tiger.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Ball Hopper on May 24, 2014, 08:01:02 PM
Anyone shed light on the treatment Costa got in Belgrade?
Heard it involved horse placenta. 

Since we have every sort of expert on the board, I'm sure we will get an education on the process before Monday.

Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: All of a Sludden on May 24, 2014, 08:13:39 PM
It's lively.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: seafoid on May 24, 2014, 08:15:21 PM
Anyone shed light on the treatment Costa got in Belgrade?
Heard it involved horse placenta. 

Since we have every sort of expert on the board, I'm sure we will get an education on the process before Monday.
well, it doesn't seem to have worked
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on May 24, 2014, 08:19:11 PM
It's lively.
It's all Madrid so far.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Capt Pat on May 24, 2014, 08:21:06 PM
This game is dull. Bale just missed the only good chance of the game so far after half an hour.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: All of a Sludden on May 24, 2014, 08:23:55 PM
Get that bus parked.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 24, 2014, 08:25:18 PM
Madrid one up the Madrid goalkeeper could have done better on that goal.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on May 24, 2014, 08:27:41 PM
Ray Houghton never stops moaning.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Capt Pat on May 24, 2014, 08:29:15 PM
The game badly needed that goal. It should get lively now.

Casilas was badly at fault for that goal.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Collie Brolly on May 24, 2014, 08:47:27 PM
Roscommon bus looks nicer than the two Madrid buses that pulled in before the game.Would have been some crack if the Rossies bus pulled in between them.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on May 24, 2014, 08:47:48 PM
Anyone watching Itv coverage?Gerrards face when Keane said England would struggle!
 ;D ;D ;D
Gerrard should tell Keane what it's actually like to play in and win a Champions League Final...
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Collie Brolly on May 24, 2014, 09:01:58 PM
Anyone watching Itv coverage?Gerrards face when Keane said England would struggle!
 ;D ;D ;D
Gerrard should tell Keane what it's actually like to play in and win a Champions League Final...

Keane should and I'm sure has told Gerrard what it's like to deliver the big performances for your team when the Premier League reaches it's climax and you want your leaders to lead you :-D
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Collie Brolly on May 24, 2014, 09:05:07 PM
Black card for Mirandha.
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Post by: seafoid on May 24, 2014, 09:06:34 PM
Atleti are as organised as syfin talks up ros to be.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: thejuice on May 24, 2014, 09:22:19 PM
About time someone told them he's welsh.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: seafoid on May 24, 2014, 09:25:00 PM
Atleti are doing the catenaccio . I hope they can keep it up for the next 9 minutes.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: seafoid on May 24, 2014, 09:29:35 PM
Real out to 33/1 now.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: AQMP on May 24, 2014, 09:37:02 PM
Real out to 33/1 now.
Lump on!!
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 24, 2014, 09:47:54 PM
Heartbreak for Atlético Madrid, Real Madrid the likely winners now.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Collie Brolly on May 24, 2014, 10:02:29 PM
Real deserved that draw just about.Atletico will take the penos now.They look wrecked.They caved with 15 minutes to go.Eerily similar to Bayern 99.Simeone has made a fool of himself berating the ref.They should be down to 10 now.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 24, 2014, 10:08:35 PM
Bale with the champions league winner?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: muppet on May 24, 2014, 10:19:00 PM
Real out to 33/1 now.
Lump on!!

My stupid app wouldn't take my password and locked me out!

Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Minder on May 24, 2014, 10:26:21 PM
Real out to 33/1 now.
Lump on!!

My stupid app wouldn't take my password and locked me out!

Surely the 33/1 was to win in normal time ?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: muppet on May 24, 2014, 10:27:16 PM
Real out to 33/1 now.
Lump on!!

My stupid app wouldn't take my password and locked me out!

Surely the 33/1 was to win in normal time ?

I am still locked out.  :D
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Minder on May 24, 2014, 10:27:47 PM
The victory was well deserved by Real, not the margin though, Marcelo outstanding for Real when he came on.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on May 24, 2014, 10:28:47 PM
By written off I mean they hit 1000/1 on Saturday... They are now 11/10..
Incredible collapse in odds
Did you put anything on them at 1000/1

I wish..  The 90/1 Atletico for champs league is enough this season :-)
So close.......
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 25, 2014, 10:03:44 AM
From Arseblog (http://arseblog.com/), pretty much sums up my reaction to the last goal.

This allowed Ronaldo to do what he does best – make it all about himself.

His celebration was, frankly, execrable. A repugnant display of self-promotion and narcissistic conceit. He tore off his shirt, and flexed his muscles like some kind of special needs Hulk impersonator, as if he was the one who had scored the goal that had won the trophy for his team.

He ignored completely the two goals that had come before it that had actually done just that because, I’m sure, he simply refused to accept their worth. It was the equivalent of cold-clocking a child and dancing around as if you’ve just out-punched Mike Tyson over 12 rounds.

The world had to see his pecs and obliques, and those grotesque, bulging trapezius that, no matter how buff he makes them, singularly fail to hide the fact that his tiny head makes him look like something from a carnival freak show and not the sculpted Adonis he seems to think he is.

“Come see the monster. A body like Atlas but the head of a flea! Roll up, roll up!”

After a game during which he’d done the square root of f**k all, divided by infinity, to behave like that after scoring a penalty which meant nothing to the overall story of the game summed him perfectly. I’m sure he’ll have the moment framed and mounted on the ceiling of his personal fap room – a lair plastered with so many pictures of himself that even Brendan Rodgers would look in awe and wonder.

The rest of us just have to look at the ludicrousness of what he did and even if you admire his footballing talent, his total lack of anything approaching basic decency would be hilarious if it wasn’t just so utterly odious.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: seafoid on May 25, 2014, 10:14:25 AM
From Arseblog (http://arseblog.com/), pretty much sums up my reaction to the last goal.

This allowed Ronaldo to do what he does best – make it all about himself.

His celebration was, frankly, execrable. A repugnant display of self-promotion and narcissistic conceit. He tore off his shirt, and flexed his muscles like some kind of special needs Hulk impersonator, as if he was the one who had scored the goal that had won the trophy for his team.

He ignored completely the two goals that had come before it that had actually done just that because, I’m sure, he simply refused to accept their worth. It was the equivalent of cold-clocking a child and dancing around as if you’ve just out-punched Mike Tyson over 12 rounds.

The world had to see his pecs and obliques, and those grotesque, bulging trapezius that, no matter how buff he makes them, singularly fail to hide the fact that his tiny head makes him look like something from a carnival freak show and not the sculpted Adonis he seems to think he is.

“Come see the monster. A body like Atlas but the head of a flea! Roll up, roll up!”

After a game during which he’d done the square root of f**k all, divided by infinity, to behave like that after scoring a penalty which meant nothing to the overall story of the game summed him perfectly. I’m sure he’ll have the moment framed and mounted on the ceiling of his personal fap room – a lair plastered with so many pictures of himself that even Brendan Rodgers would look in awe and wonder.

The rest of us just have to look at the ludicrousness of what he did and even if you admire his footballing talent, his total lack of anything approaching basic decency would be hilarious if it wasn’t just so utterly odious.
He really is odious. 
That screaming into the camera was appalling.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: AZOffaly on May 26, 2014, 09:31:59 AM
From Arseblog (http://arseblog.com/), pretty much sums up my reaction to the last goal.

This allowed Ronaldo to do what he does best – make it all about himself.

His celebration was, frankly, execrable. A repugnant display of self-promotion and narcissistic conceit. He tore off his shirt, and flexed his muscles like some kind of special needs Hulk impersonator, as if he was the one who had scored the goal that had won the trophy for his team.

He ignored completely the two goals that had come before it that had actually done just that because, I’m sure, he simply refused to accept their worth. It was the equivalent of cold-clocking a child and dancing around as if you’ve just out-punched Mike Tyson over 12 rounds.

The world had to see his pecs and obliques, and those grotesque, bulging trapezius that, no matter how buff he makes them, singularly fail to hide the fact that his tiny head makes him look like something from a carnival freak show and not the sculpted Adonis he seems to think he is.

“Come see the monster. A body like Atlas but the head of a flea! Roll up, roll up!”

After a game during which he’d done the square root of f**k all, divided by infinity, to behave like that after scoring a penalty which meant nothing to the overall story of the game summed him perfectly. I’m sure he’ll have the moment framed and mounted on the ceiling of his personal fap room – a lair plastered with so many pictures of himself that even Brendan Rodgers would look in awe and wonder.

The rest of us just have to look at the ludicrousness of what he did and even if you admire his footballing talent, his total lack of anything approaching basic decency would be hilarious if it wasn’t just so utterly odious.

That's a bit harsh. By all accounts he's a fairly decent fella in terms of how he spends his money, and his time. Of course he absolutely loves himself. Good job he's not made of chocolate. In all fairness though, he is a top class player, and has worked bloody hard to get there. Compare and contrast with Wayne Rooney. Who's made the most of his talent?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Billys Boots on May 26, 2014, 09:54:31 AM
I'd be inclined to agree with AZ; I never 'liked' him, but he's certainly not as bad as he used to be (maturity??).  I think the decima had been so hyped in Madrid, the club, the city and the media that the whole thing had been blown out of all proportion - cue the reaction.  Might also have been a reaction to the fact that they'd been outplayed a bit in the 90 mins and were 90 seconds from being branded (by an unforgiving club, city and media) as 'failures'. 
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: nrico2006 on May 26, 2014, 10:31:29 AM
From Arseblog (http://arseblog.com/), pretty much sums up my reaction to the last goal.

This allowed Ronaldo to do what he does best – make it all about himself.

His celebration was, frankly, execrable. A repugnant display of self-promotion and narcissistic conceit. He tore off his shirt, and flexed his muscles like some kind of special needs Hulk impersonator, as if he was the one who had scored the goal that had won the trophy for his team.

He ignored completely the two goals that had come before it that had actually done just that because, I’m sure, he simply refused to accept their worth. It was the equivalent of cold-clocking a child and dancing around as if you’ve just out-punched Mike Tyson over 12 rounds.

The world had to see his pecs and obliques, and those grotesque, bulging trapezius that, no matter how buff he makes them, singularly fail to hide the fact that his tiny head makes him look like something from a carnival freak show and not the sculpted Adonis he seems to think he is.

“Come see the monster. A body like Atlas but the head of a flea! Roll up, roll up!”

After a game during which he’d done the square root of f**k all, divided by infinity, to behave like that after scoring a penalty which meant nothing to the overall story of the game summed him perfectly. I’m sure he’ll have the moment framed and mounted on the ceiling of his personal fap room – a lair plastered with so many pictures of himself that even Brendan Rodgers would look in awe and wonder.

The rest of us just have to look at the ludicrousness of what he did and even if you admire his footballing talent, his total lack of anything approaching basic decency would be hilarious if it wasn’t just so utterly odious.

Was actually thinking the same with the celebration.   Also, over the past while I have been keen to see if he celebrates with Bale when Bale scores and on most occassions he is not one of the first 4 or 5 over to him, sort of smacks of him being annoyed that someone else (and his only rival goal/ability wise in the Madrid team) has scored and not him.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Rossie11 on May 26, 2014, 10:45:35 AM
By written off I mean they hit 1000/1 on Saturday... They are now 11/10..
Incredible collapse in odds
Did you put anything on them at 1000/1

I wish..  The 90/1 Atletico for champs league is enough this season :-)
So close.......
The cash out feature on betfair is a gift..
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on June 10, 2014, 12:09:26 PM
Sky Sports is launching a new channel dedicated to European football for next season - Sky Sports 5.

The Telegraph can reveal the broadcaster has expanded its empire of channels to seven following the swathe of new rights it has acquired in recent months.

Despite losing Champions League football to its arch-rival BT Sport from the season after next, Sky Sports will show more matches than ever in the coming seasons.

Next term, 600 of those will be European games, and will include fixtures from the Dutch Eredivisie after it signed a four-year deal to broadcast the competition.

Sky Sports 5, free to existing Sky Sports subscribers, will also be the home of qualifying matches for the European Championship, Spain’s Primera Liga and the Copa del Rey among others.

The channel will launch on Aug 12 but can be activated by viewers from Thursday and will feature a nationwide marketing campaign starring Sky Sports ambassador David Beckham.

Sky Sports’ managing director, Barney Francis, said: “Sky Sports 5 takes our unrivalled live football coverage to the next level offering more European football than ever before. There’s never been a better time to be a Sky Sports customer.”

Sky Sports 5 is only the second new channel to be launched by the broadcaster since 1999, the other being Sky Sports F1 two years ago.

This year has seen Sky Sports bounce back strongly from BT Sport’s shock £897 million capture of the exclusive rights to European club football from next summer.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: muppet on June 10, 2014, 12:15:58 PM
Next term, 600 of those will be European games, and will include fixtures from the Dutch Eredivisie after it signed a four-year deal to broadcast the competition.

You have to love Sky.

In that context an Oulart the Ballagh versus The Fighting Cocks fixture would be considered European football.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on October 25, 2014, 10:29:18 AM
Sky not showing the first 15mins of tonight's El Clasico. WTF?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: SHEEDY on October 25, 2014, 10:59:57 AM
Sky not showing the first 15mins of tonight's El Clasico. WTF?
they're not allowed to show any live football on a Saturday from 2.45pm to 5.15pm. some law that is supposed to protect attendances at lower league games.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on October 25, 2014, 05:05:57 PM
Barca 1 up already. Sky Sports missed it.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: screenexile on October 25, 2014, 05:37:20 PM
Cracking game! End to end stuff but Messi missed an absolute sitter and the penalty was nailed on. Suarez hasn't done much but he only needs a half chance.

Hope it goes on like this!!
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: rodney trotter on October 25, 2014, 06:15:15 PM
Lovely move for Madrid's 3rd goal
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: screenexile on October 25, 2014, 06:15:50 PM
Lovely move for Madrid's 3rd goal

Pure Class!!
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: screenexile on October 25, 2014, 06:36:02 PM
Barca are so slow on the counter attack it's unreal!! Real attack with much more purpose when they turn over the ball!!
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on August 11, 2015, 09:16:06 PM
Super Cup game is a cracker.
Barca 4 Sevilla 3 at the moment.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on August 11, 2015, 09:23:24 PM
4-4 now  ;D
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 11, 2015, 09:43:33 PM
Most sides would give up when 4-1 down against Barcelona. Fair play to Sevilla I hope they go on and win it in extra time now.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Canalman on August 12, 2015, 09:27:00 AM
Sideline microphones best be turned  down in the future methinks.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 22, 2015, 09:14:03 PM
Lewandowski brought off the bench and scored five goals in nine minutes for Bayern Munich tonight.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Rossie11 on October 22, 2015, 01:14:23 PM
Roll on Nov 21st

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/real-madrid/11947292/El-Clasico-corruption-storm-as-linesman-told-to-favour-Real-Madrid-by-referee-in-La-Liga-clash-with-Barcelona.html
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: muppet on October 22, 2015, 08:02:51 PM
Roll on Nov 21st

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/real-madrid/11947292/El-Clasico-corruption-storm-as-linesman-told-to-favour-Real-Madrid-by-referee-in-La-Liga-clash-with-Barcelona.html

The linesman is heavy on sensation and a bit tight on evidence. But if, as he hopes, another linesman comes forward the proverbial will hit the fan.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: ONeill on February 13, 2016, 10:50:12 PM
Juventus - 15 wins in a row.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: From the Bunker on February 13, 2016, 11:18:08 PM
Juventus - 15 wins in a row.

Says it all about the Italian League!
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: gallsman on February 14, 2016, 07:39:08 AM
Juventus - 15 wins in a row.

Says it all about the Italian League!

Considering how they opened the season, it says a lot about Juventus too though. They're better than last year with Khedira, Cuadrado and Dybala in particular all proving excellent signings.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Clinker on February 19, 2016, 09:46:50 PM
Juventus - 15 wins in a row.

The spaghetti and minced meat men just put an end to that by holding the Shrouders to a draw.
The Napper Tandys can go back on top if they win on Monday night.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on April 13, 2016, 09:29:03 PM
Looks like Barca are on the way out of the Champions League. Its been a great game.
Godin is some player.
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Post by: Cunny Funt on April 13, 2016, 09:36:43 PM
Great night for Atlético Madrid fair play to them. I hope they go on to win the champions league now.
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Post by: SHEEDY on April 13, 2016, 09:42:03 PM
Great game. Some atmosphere. Would love to see them win it.
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Post by: gallsman on April 13, 2016, 09:49:44 PM
Atletí and Simeone are some outfit. Their player turnover is quite high each year (look at Jackson Martinez) yet they still manage to play the same way. Griezmann could light up the Euros and Filipe Luis was exceptional. Makes you wonder again why he was never given a fair shake at Chelsea.

Barca are fully in crisis.
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Post by: An Watcher on April 13, 2016, 09:57:46 PM
As  Louis Van Gaal celebrates qualifying for the FA Cup semi final, a team that probably cost half as much is celebrating qualification for the champions league semi final.  I thought city had no chance in the semis but if they draw athletico they're in with a shout.
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Post by: From the Bunker on April 13, 2016, 10:03:15 PM
As  Louis Van Gaal celebrates qualifying for the FA Cup semi final, a team that probably cost half as much is celebrating qualification for the champions league semi final.  I thought city had no chance in the semis but if they draw athletico they're in with a shout.

I'd say Athletico are thinking the same! I'd fancy Athletico v Man City! I could not see City cope with their hunger.
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Post by: Minder on April 13, 2016, 10:03:48 PM
As  Louis Van Gaal celebrates qualifying for the FA Cup semi final, a team that probably cost half as much is celebrating qualification for the champions league semi final.  I thought city had no chance in the semis but if they draw athletico they're in with a shout.

I remember when they won La Liga two seasons ago their team cost about £50m.
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Post by: Captain Obvious on April 13, 2016, 10:05:57 PM
As  Louis Van Gaal celebrates qualifying for the FA Cup semi final, a team that probably cost half as much is celebrating qualification for the champions league semi final.  I thought city had no chance in the semis but if they draw athletico they're in with a shout.
I think Manchester City have a better chance of reaching the champions league final by avoiding Athletico in Fridays draw. Bayern Munich the best draw for them against their manager to be.
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 13, 2016, 10:53:12 PM
As  Louis Van Gaal celebrates qualifying for the FA Cup semi final, a team that probably cost half as much is celebrating qualification for the champions league semi final.  I thought city had no chance in the semis but if they draw athletico they're in with a shout.

I remember when they won La Liga two seasons ago their team cost about £50m.

Bit like Leicester then...
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Post by: mouview on April 13, 2016, 11:31:21 PM
Great game. Some atmosphere. Would love to see them win it.

Simeone has done a great job to get them to the final stages twice in the past couple of seasons but I hope they are well beaten the next day. I agree with Liam Brady, utterly cynical and schooled in the dark arts. See JuanFran's sly rake of studs on Neymar's instep on the touchline, Godin manhandling Roberto to the ground to stop another attack, continuous blatant fouling to break up the play over both legs. Just don't want to see that type of behaviour being rewarded.
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Post by: HiMucker on April 14, 2016, 09:23:03 AM
Great game. Some atmosphere. Would love to see them win it.

Simeone has done a great job to get them to the final stages twice in the past couple of seasons but I hope they are well beaten the next day. I agree with Liam Brady, utterly cynical and schooled in the dark arts. See JuanFran's sly rake of studs on Neymar's instep on the touchline, Godin manhandling Roberto to the ground to stop another attack, continuous blatant fouling to break up the play over both legs. Just don't want to see that type of behaviour being rewarded.
That's all fair enough.  That Barca team is one of the best I have seen, but I have never seen a team dive around, badger the referee and get as many "lucky" decisions from the referee.  Surprised they didn't get the penalty at the end, but Iniesta should have seen red before it for the deliberate handball.  I thought that was clear as day, don't know what Stevie Mac was on about!.  I was glad they were beat
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Post by: JoG2 on April 14, 2016, 09:36:38 AM
Great game. Some atmosphere. Would love to see them win it.

Simeone has done a great job to get them to the final stages twice in the past couple of seasons but I hope they are well beaten the next day. I agree with Liam Brady, utterly cynical and schooled in the dark arts. See JuanFran's sly rake of studs on Neymar's instep on the touchline, Godin manhandling Roberto to the ground to stop another attack, continuous blatant fouling to break up the play over both legs. Just don't want to see that type of behaviour being rewarded.
That's all fair enough.  That Barca team is one of the best I have seen, but I have never seen a team dive around, badger the referee and get as many "lucky" decisions from the referee.  Surprised they didn't get the penalty at the end, but Iniesta should have seen red before it for the deliberate handball.  I thought that was clear as day, don't know what Stevie Mac was on about!.  I was glad they were beat

that wee tube who plays full back for Barca, shaved head, from Brazil I think, sweet jesus he would anger you with his diving
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: seafoid on April 15, 2016, 06:08:18 AM
Karim Benzema is not in the French squad for the Euros. Big call by Deschamps
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Post by: gallsman on April 15, 2016, 09:17:47 AM
Karim Benzema is not in the French squad for the Euros. Big call by Deschamps

There was no way they could bring him in fairness! France have had enough difficulties over the last few tournaments with squad harmony.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: seafoid on April 15, 2016, 11:00:31 AM
Karim Benzema is not in the French squad for the Euros. Big call by Deschamps

There was no way they could bring him in fairness! France have had enough difficulties over the last few tournaments with squad harmony.
Yeah but imagine Monaghan dropping McManus
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Post by: shark on April 15, 2016, 11:50:33 AM
Karim Benzema is not in the French squad for the Euros. Big call by Deschamps

There was no way they could bring him in fairness! France have had enough difficulties over the last few tournaments with squad harmony.
Yeah but imagine Monaghan dropping McManus

France have plenty of options though. Teams win tournaments, not individuals.
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Post by: seafoid on April 15, 2016, 12:06:04 PM
Karim Benzema is not in the French squad for the Euros. Big call by Deschamps

There was no way they could bring him in fairness! France have had enough difficulties over the last few tournaments with squad harmony.
Yeah but imagine Monaghan dropping McManus

France have plenty of options though. Teams win tournaments, not individuals.
Goalpoachers win matches for tournament teams. Benzema is lethal.  Cavani, for example is not.
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Post by: AZOffaly on April 15, 2016, 12:07:42 PM
Doesn't Greizman play for France? Cavani is Uruguayan, so he wouldn't be the answer anyway :)
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Post by: ashman on April 15, 2016, 12:19:11 PM
I would think an easy call by Deschamps as the call was made at blazer level .
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Post by: gallsman on April 15, 2016, 12:20:27 PM
Karim Benzema is not in the French squad for the Euros. Big call by Deschamps

There was no way they could bring him in fairness! France have had enough difficulties over the last few tournaments with squad harmony.
Yeah but imagine Monaghan dropping McManus

Not quite a fair analogy. Don't think McManus tried to blackmail any of his teammates? If he had, you can bet he'd be dropped.

France's squad this year is going to be absolutely outrageous.
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Post by: screenexile on April 15, 2016, 12:28:14 PM
Doesn't Greizman play for France? Cavani is Uruguayan, so he wouldn't be the answer anyway :)

Martial... Giroud... Gignac

I think they'll be OK
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Post by: Ethan Tremblay on April 15, 2016, 12:34:24 PM
France dark horses in the summer perhaps? good squad!
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Post by: oakleaflad on April 15, 2016, 12:36:18 PM
France dark horses in the summer perhaps? good squad!
Are they not favorites or second favorites? Hardly dark horses, they have a serious squad and are at home.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: gallsman on April 15, 2016, 12:46:36 PM
Nothing dark about that horse at all. They could field two teams who'd be up there with the best in the tournament. Home advantage too so considering them as anything other than one of the favourites would be madness.
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Post by: Ethan Tremblay on April 15, 2016, 05:06:15 PM
Probably not the best way to put that!

I would have taken Germany to be outright favourites closely followed by Spain/Belgium/N. Ireland?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2016, 09:41:31 PM
Manchester City got the result they played for tonight. If Ronaldo played Real Madrid would have won.
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Post by: mouview on April 27, 2016, 01:58:05 PM
Bale showing yet again his essential technical ordinariness.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: HiMucker on April 27, 2016, 02:22:51 PM
Manchester City got the result they played for tonight. If Ronaldo played Real Madrid would have won.
I always thought a nl nil draw away from home in the first leg was a bad result? 
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Post by: AZOffaly on April 27, 2016, 02:24:03 PM
It was at home. 0-0 at home in the first leg is fine.
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Post by: seafoid on April 27, 2016, 02:30:16 PM
It was at home. 0-0 at home in the first leg is fine.
Much better than 1-1

I was at the 3rd division playoff between Man City and Gillingham in 99? and the city fans were singing "the only football team to come from Manchester" .
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2016, 03:14:06 PM
It was at home. 0-0 at home in the first leg is fine.
Much better than 1-1

I was at the 3rd division playoff between Man City and Gillingham in 99? and the city fans were singing "the only football team to come from Manchester" .

And?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: seafoid on April 27, 2016, 03:25:13 PM
It was at home. 0-0 at home in the first leg is fine.
Much better than 1-1

I was at the 3rd division playoff between Man City and Gillingham in 99? and the city fans were singing "the only football team to come from Manchester" .
And now they are in the CL semi and Utd have the Glazers. A funny old world

And?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: HiMucker on April 27, 2016, 03:29:46 PM
It was at home. 0-0 at home in the first leg is fine.
Ah sorry I miss read that.  I thought he said Madrid got the result they played for.  Yeah I would always thought a 0-0 at home first leg was a good result. 
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Post by: Boycey on April 27, 2016, 03:50:44 PM
It was at home. 0-0 at home in the first leg is fine.
Ah sorry I miss read that.  I thought he said Madrid got the result they played for.  Yeah I would always thought a 0-0 at home first leg was a good result.

0-0 away from home in first leg is also a decent result?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2016, 05:15:32 PM
It was at home. 0-0 at home in the first leg is fine.
Much better than 1-1

I was at the 3rd division playoff between Man City and Gillingham in 99? and the city fans were singing "the only football team to come from Manchester" .
And now they are in the CL semi and Utd have the Glazers. A funny old world

And?

Their first semi......
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: AZOffaly on April 28, 2016, 04:28:26 AM
It was at home. 0-0 at home in the first leg is fine.
Ah sorry I miss read that.  I thought he said Madrid got the result they played for.  Yeah I would always thought a 0-0 at home first leg was a good result.

0-0 away from home in first leg is also a decent result?

I actually question that. It's obviously a decent result in that you weren't beaten, and the tie is alive, but the fact that you didn't score away from home always puts you under a little more pressure. 1-1 is obviously way better than 0-0 for the away team.
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Post by: Billys Boots on April 28, 2016, 09:07:38 AM
There was an interesting piece of research in the Guardian recently about whether it was time for the 'away goals rule' to be scrapped.  Must look for it. 
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Post by: HiMucker on April 28, 2016, 09:28:04 AM
Yeah I despise the away goal rule.  The nil nil draw away from home first leg is particularly bad result, if it goes to extra time in the second leg.  I think that is an unfair punishment.  The away team has additional 30mins to score the away goal.  I always thought if it went to extra time the away goal should be scrapped.

It was first brought it in to make teams more adventurous playing away from home.  But is has had the opposite effect of making the home side more reserved.
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Post by: muppet on April 28, 2016, 01:23:21 PM
Yeah I despise the away goal rule.  The nil nil draw away from home first leg is particularly bad result, if it goes to extra time in the second leg.  I think that is an unfair punishment.  The away team has additional 30mins to score the away goal.  I always thought if it went to extra time the away goal should be scrapped.

It was first brought it in to make teams more adventurous playing away from home.  But is has had the opposite effect of making the home side more reserved.

The should follow the GAA and change the rules frequently and without warning or logic.

Any ideas?

If you don't fall down when a player tackles you should get some sort of bonus time in possession, maybe the next player isn't allow to tackle you for 4 steps?
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Post by: Billys Boots on April 28, 2016, 01:52:48 PM
Here's the article - unlike as Elmo says, the GAA approach, it's a scientific analysis. 

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/feb/28/arsene-wenger-away-goals-rule (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/feb/28/arsene-wenger-away-goals-rule)
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Post by: laoislad on April 28, 2016, 01:58:24 PM
Yeah I despise the away goal rule.  The nil nil draw away from home first leg is particularly bad result, if it goes to extra time in the second leg.  I think that is an unfair punishment.  The away team has additional 30mins to score the away goal.  I always thought if it went to extra time the away goal should be scrapped.

It was first brought it in to make teams more adventurous playing away from home.  But is has had the opposite effect of making the home side more reserved.
I agree about scrapping away goals rule if the 2nd leg goes into extra time. I've always thought it was unfair on the home team.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Maroon Manc on April 28, 2016, 02:41:16 PM
I'd be delighted if the away goal was done away, can't think of the top of my head if United have ever benefited from it but definitely remember  going out because of it.

While we're at it what kind of logic is behind Real & City getting 2 days extra rest then Bayern & Atletico. Its ridiculous and gives Bayern an advantage considering they've a huge lead over 2nd place and can rest players whilst Atletico can't afford to rest too many given their level at the top.

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Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 28, 2016, 05:09:05 PM
Liverpool are shorter price to win whole competition (13/8 favs) than they are tonight.... 2/1 is a good price, they've scored away from home in most games, and dominated possession
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 03, 2016, 09:20:36 PM
All to play for in the final twelve minutes of tonight's champions league tie.
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Post by: laoislad on May 03, 2016, 09:38:33 PM
Enjoyed that. Great entertainment.
Simeone is a mad man.
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Post by: ashman on May 03, 2016, 09:45:07 PM
Well done Atletico . 

Hope they win it now .  They are beating all the behemoths.  Would be great if they beat the gruesome twosome.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: screenexile on May 03, 2016, 09:49:22 PM
Just an observation but why is it 'great to see' when Athletico play park the bus, counterattacking, diving, yellow card whingeing, time wasting football yet Mourinho is the anti christ for doing the same????
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: seafoid on May 03, 2016, 09:57:37 PM
Guardiola didn't win the CL with Bayern so.
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Post by: bennydorano on May 03, 2016, 09:58:26 PM
Find them hard to watch myself, not exactly minnows either, they've 10 La Ligas to their name & same again with Copa Del Reys.
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Post by: SHEEDY on May 03, 2016, 10:00:42 PM
Can't stand guardiola for some reason, glad to see atletico go through. Would love to see them win it.
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Post by: Minder on May 03, 2016, 10:01:45 PM
Just an observation but why is it 'great to see' when Athletico play park the bus, counterattacking, diving, yellow card whingeing, time wasting football yet Mourinho is the anti christ for doing the same????

It's hipster
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: ashman on May 03, 2016, 10:02:16 PM
Just an observation but why is it 'great to see' when Athletico play park the bus, counterattacking, diving, yellow card whingeing, time wasting football yet Mourinho is the anti christ for doing the same????

Cos they beat teams with more money in a sport dominated by  money I like to see this .  If Mourinho wins on these conditions well done to him .  They beat two massive behemoth clubs in last two rounds.

I would love to see Diego Simeone and Davy Fitz on the same sideline !!
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: screenexile on May 03, 2016, 11:17:15 PM
Just an observation but why is it 'great to see' when Athletico play park the bus, counterattacking, diving, yellow card whingeing, time wasting football yet Mourinho is the anti christ for doing the same????

Cos they beat teams with more money in a sport dominated by  money I like to see this .  If Mourinho wins on these conditions well done to him .  They beat two massive behemoth clubs in last two rounds.

I would love to see Diego Simeone and Davy Fitz on the same sideline !!

Porto!

Wait until Simeone goes to a bigger club he will be hated exactly like Mourinho when he started winning at Chelsea.

The only reason we got a head start on hating him is because Porto did an Athletico against Celtic in the Europa League final!
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: ashman on May 03, 2016, 11:33:49 PM
I was cheering for Porto v Celtic.   I always liked Portugeese  people and soccer .  And then they turned over Man United the following year .  Beating those two clubs made me like Jose .
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 03, 2016, 11:57:52 PM
Guardiola didn't win the CL with Bayern so.
He might have done if he had Xavi,Iniesta and Messi at their peak at Bayern.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: seafoid on May 04, 2016, 10:40:49 AM
Guardiola didn't win the CL with Bayern so.
He might have done if he had Xavi,Iniesta and Messi at their peak at Bayern.
Simon Kuper in the FT reckons he is past his peak.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Maroon Manc on May 04, 2016, 11:43:11 AM
Simeone's team are far more negative than Mourinho's but how can you blame him given the players he has, he plays a way that gets the best out of his players and gives his team the best chance of success. He's done some job at Atletico, his team in 2014 was taken apart and to get back to the final with a vastly different squad is a phenomenal achievement.

As for Pep not getting that Bayern team to a CL final is a failure given the circumstances, he inherited the European Champions and has added Alonso, Vidal, Goetze, Thaigo, Lewandowski, Costa, Coman to a team that already had 6 or 7 world class players. Bayern were hammered in 2014 & 2015 and they might have been a bit unlucky last night but everytime Atletico put 2 passes together they were nearly in on goal. City will be his biggest test as he's not inheriting anything like the squad he's had at Barca & Bayern.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: seafoid on May 04, 2016, 12:18:16 PM
Simeone's team are far more negative than Mourinho's but how can you blame him given the players he has, he plays a way that gets the best out of his players and gives his team the best chance of success. He's done some job at Atletico, his team in 2014 was taken apart and to get back to the final with a vastly different squad is a phenomenal achievement.

As for Pep not getting that Bayern team to a CL final is a failure given the circumstances, he inherited the European Champions and has added Alonso, Vidal, Goetze, Thaigo, Lewandowski, Costa, Coman to a team that already had 6 or 7 world class players. Bayern were hammered in 2014 & 2015 and they might have been a bit unlucky last night but everytime Atletico put 2 passes together they were nearly in on goal. City will be his biggest test as he's not inheriting anything like the squad he's had at Barca & Bayern.
Agree re Pep. He didn't do much for Bayern considering how easy it is to win the Bundesliga
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Post by: Rossie11 on May 04, 2016, 01:39:56 PM
Simeone's team are far more negative than Mourinho's but how can you blame him given the players he has, he plays a way that gets the best out of his players and gives his team the best chance of success. He's done some job at Atletico, his team in 2014 was taken apart and to get back to the final with a vastly different squad is a phenomenal achievement.

As for Pep not getting that Bayern team to a CL final is a failure given the circumstances, he inherited the European Champions and has added Alonso, Vidal, Goetze, Thaigo, Lewandowski, Costa, Coman to a team that already had 6 or 7 world class players. Bayern were hammered in 2014 & 2015 and they might have been a bit unlucky last night but everytime Atletico put 2 passes together they were nearly in on goal. City will be his biggest test as he's not inheriting anything like the squad he's had at Barca & Bayern.
Agree re Pep. He didn't do much for Bayern considering how easy it is to win the Bundesliga
He was unlucky last night. Muller scores the peno and they qualify comfortably in my book.
Whatever about not improving Bayern, Germany give him a lot of credit for the improvement in the national team.
Still that will be no consolation to him
 
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Post by: Applesisapples on May 04, 2016, 02:06:38 PM
Pep's problem is that he constructs teams to attack and defence is an afterthought. With Barca he had the players to get away with it, not so with Bayern and as with Barca this year if you can't defend then a team set up in the way Athleti are have always a chance of getting a result. That said Simeone has had a little luck, with the penalty not given in the Barca match and Oblak performing heroics. I'd love to see them beat Real 1-0 in the final (assuming City don't knock them out tonight).
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Post by: Maroon Manc on May 04, 2016, 02:17:02 PM
Simeone's team are far more negative than Mourinho's but how can you blame him given the players he has, he plays a way that gets the best out of his players and gives his team the best chance of success. He's done some job at Atletico, his team in 2014 was taken apart and to get back to the final with a vastly different squad is a phenomenal achievement.

As for Pep not getting that Bayern team to a CL final is a failure given the circumstances, he inherited the European Champions and has added Alonso, Vidal, Goetze, Thaigo, Lewandowski, Costa, Coman to a team that already had 6 or 7 world class players. Bayern were hammered in 2014 & 2015 and they might have been a bit unlucky last night but everytime Atletico put 2 passes together they were nearly in on goal. City will be his biggest test as he's not inheriting anything like the squad he's had at Barca & Bayern.
Agree re Pep. He didn't do much for Bayern considering how easy it is to win the Bundesliga
He was unlucky last night. Muller scores the peno and they qualify comfortably in my book.
Whatever about not improving Bayern, Germany give him a lot of credit for the improvement in the national team.
Still that will be no consolation to him

I'm not sure, Atletico were always going to score a goal so Bayern always needed 3 as far as I'm concerned and Bayern had a bit of luck with the deflected free kick. He joined Bayern in 2013 and Germany won the world cup a year later, I really don't know how much of an affect Pep had on their national team.
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Post by: JoG2 on May 04, 2016, 02:23:01 PM
I was cheering for Porto v Celtic.   I always liked Portugeese  people and soccer .  And then they turned over Man United the following year .  Beating those two clubs made me like Jose .

how could anyone who has, even a passing interest in soccer, (and who isn't directly associated with Porto) have been cheering them on that night? I wouldn't cross the road to watch Celtic, but Porto were an absolute disgrace that night. Diving, cheating, feigning injury for 90+ mins, an absolutely disgusting performance imo
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Post by: Walter Cronc on May 04, 2016, 02:25:39 PM
Simeone's team are far more negative than Mourinho's but how can you blame him given the players he has, he plays a way that gets the best out of his players and gives his team the best chance of success. He's done some job at Atletico, his team in 2014 was taken apart and to get back to the final with a vastly different squad is a phenomenal achievement.

As for Pep not getting that Bayern team to a CL final is a failure given the circumstances, he inherited the European Champions and has added Alonso, Vidal, Goetze, Thaigo, Lewandowski, Costa, Coman to a team that already had 6 or 7 world class players. Bayern were hammered in 2014 & 2015 and they might have been a bit unlucky last night but everytime Atletico put 2 passes together they were nearly in on goal. City will be his biggest test as he's not inheriting anything like the squad he's had at Barca & Bayern.
Agree re Pep. He didn't do much for Bayern considering how easy it is to win the Bundesliga
He was unlucky last night. Muller scores the peno and they qualify comfortably in my book.
Whatever about not improving Bayern, Germany give him a lot of credit for the improvement in the national team.
Still that will be no consolation to him

I'm not sure, Atletico were always going to score a goal so Bayern always needed 3 as far as I'm concerned and Bayern had a bit of luck with the deflected free kick. He joined Bayern in 2013 and Germany won the world cup a year later, I really don't know how much of an affect Pep had on their national team.

Agree with this. Germany overhauled their playing style at national level long before Pep came along. That great U21 side which included 4-5 starters in the WC final all were technically very astute.
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Post by: ashman on May 04, 2016, 02:41:13 PM
I was cheering for Porto v Celtic.   I always liked Portugeese  people and soccer .  And then they turned over Man United the following year .  Beating those two clubs made me like Jose .

how could anyone who has, even a passing interest in soccer, (and who isn't directly associated with Porto) have been cheering them on that night? I wouldn't cross the road to watch Celtic, but Porto were an absolute disgrace that night. Diving, cheating, feigning injury for 90+ mins, an absolutely disgusting performance imo

That is typical of the sour grapes from British teams when they lose of technically superior teams.   Call them cheats , divers etc .... No one else buys that .
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: JoG2 on May 04, 2016, 02:47:33 PM
I was cheering for Porto v Celtic.   I always liked Portugeese  people and soccer .  And then they turned over Man United the following year .  Beating those two clubs made me like Jose .

how could anyone who has, even a passing interest in soccer, (and who isn't directly associated with Porto) have been cheering them on that night? I wouldn't cross the road to watch Celtic, but Porto were an absolute disgrace that night. Diving, cheating, feigning injury for 90+ mins, an absolutely disgusting performance imo

That is typical of the sour grapes from British teams when they lose of technically superior teams.   Call them cheats , divers etc .... No one else buys that .

oh, didn't realise you were looking some virtual attention. I'll bow out now so
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Rossie11 on May 04, 2016, 04:40:35 PM
Simeone's team are far more negative than Mourinho's but how can you blame him given the players he has, he plays a way that gets the best out of his players and gives his team the best chance of success. He's done some job at Atletico, his team in 2014 was taken apart and to get back to the final with a vastly different squad is a phenomenal achievement.

As for Pep not getting that Bayern team to a CL final is a failure given the circumstances, he inherited the European Champions and has added Alonso, Vidal, Goetze, Thaigo, Lewandowski, Costa, Coman to a team that already had 6 or 7 world class players. Bayern were hammered in 2014 & 2015 and they might have been a bit unlucky last night but everytime Atletico put 2 passes together they were nearly in on goal. City will be his biggest test as he's not inheriting anything like the squad he's had at Barca & Bayern.
Agree re Pep. He didn't do much for Bayern considering how easy it is to win the Bundesliga
He was unlucky last night. Muller scores the peno and they qualify comfortably in my book.
Whatever about not improving Bayern, Germany give him a lot of credit for the improvement in the national team.
Still that will be no consolation to him

I'm not sure, Atletico were always going to score a goal so Bayern always needed 3 as far as I'm concerned and Bayern had a bit of luck with the deflected free kick. He joined Bayern in 2013 and Germany won the world cup a year later, I really don't know how much of an affect Pep had on their national team.

Agree with this. Germany overhauled their playing style at national level long before Pep came along. That great U21 side which included 4-5 starters in the WC final all were technically very astute.
Not saying I agree with it but have read it on numerous sites previously with comments from Germans
Found one again today... they do say partially which is probable fair enough

http://www.squawka.com/news/why-germany-can-partially-credit-their-success-to-pep-guardiola/143859
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: imtommygunn on May 04, 2016, 05:57:07 PM
Who owns Fernando Torres??
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: muppet on May 04, 2016, 06:14:03 PM
Who owns Fernando Torres??

The voices...
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: PW Nally on May 04, 2016, 06:33:54 PM
Who owns Fernando Torres??
On loan from AC Milan
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: imtommygunn on May 04, 2016, 06:46:40 PM
He joined atletico on loan from milan a day after he signed but what i read indicated milan contract ran out last summer??
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: midLouth on May 04, 2016, 06:54:22 PM
He joined atletico on loan from milan a day after he signed but what i read indicated milan contract ran out last summer??

He had been on loan to Milan before that. They might of had a pre contract to buy him they couldn't get out of and loaning him out made sense.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 04, 2016, 09:22:48 PM
This tie is building towards Manchester City grabbing away goal with their first shot on target.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: ashman on May 04, 2016, 09:44:24 PM
Man City were an embarrassment . 
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Post by: laoislad on May 04, 2016, 09:46:29 PM
Man City were an embarrassment .
Brutal.
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Post by: blewuporstuffed on May 04, 2016, 10:03:24 PM
Man City were an embarrassment .
Brutal.
Absolutely pathetic.
Toure's performance was disgrace
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: From the Bunker on May 04, 2016, 10:17:10 PM
Only caught the last couple of minutes. Enough for to see Kevin De Bruyne have a go at the near post from a free. WTF!!!!!
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: armaghniac on May 04, 2016, 10:25:39 PM
I'd say the oul airfares from Madrid to Milan have spiked upwards.
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Post by: bennydorano on May 04, 2016, 10:28:51 PM
Only caught the last couple of minutes. Enough for to see Kevin De Bruyne have a go at the near post from a free. WTF!!!!!
He gave an embarrassing lazy arsed performance, I was shouting at the tv, like a shy U10 playing with big fellas, shit the bed.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Gold on May 04, 2016, 11:05:28 PM
Only caught the last couple of minutes. Enough for to see Kevin De Bruyne have a go at the near post from a free. WTF!!!!!
He gave an embarrassing lazy arsed performance, I was shouting at the tv, like a shy U10 playing with big fellas, shit the bed.

Absolutely. Totally agree. Shit the bed. Only Sterling had half a go
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Main Street on May 08, 2016, 03:35:32 PM
Nail biting  excitement in the Dutch Eredivisie as Frank the Bore's Ajax got pipped at the post By PSV.
I think it was deserved by PSV who only slipped up once, a few days  after they returned from their epic tie against Atletico Madrid in the CL.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: seafoid on May 09, 2016, 03:03:03 PM
Ken Early: Guardiola failed in his main task at Bayern
Bayern’s idea was to dominate the Champions League as Guardiola’s Barcelona had
about 6 hours ago
 Ken Early

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Pep Guardiola: let’s not pretend what happened at Bayern was anything other than a bitter disappointment for everyone involved. Photo: Alex Grimm/Bongarts/Getty Images
   
 
 
‘I’ve done my best here,” said Pep Guardiola after losing his third and last Champions League semi-final with FC Bayern. “But if you say that I had to win the Champions League, then I’ve failed. Go ahead and write that I have failed.”
Actually, the verdicts have been rather restrained. Last week, when Atlético Madrid knocked Bayern out, the crowd in Munich didn’t boo. They had too much respect for the effort they had seen from their team. But the fact that Guardiola and Bayern tried doesn’t mean they haven’t failed.
Guardiola’s Bayern dominated the Bundesliga so thoroughly that the three leagues they won under him rank among the least exciting title races in German history. But Bayern did not hire him to win the Bundesliga. They have 80 per cent more money than their closest rivals, Borussia Dortmund, and keep buying their best players.
As Felix Magath pointed out: “In these circumstances it would have been more surprising if he had not won the league.”
No, Bayern’s idea was to dominate the Champions League as Guardiola’s Barcelona had done. They wanted to stamp the name of Bayern indelibly on the era. Instead, 2013-16 will go down as an age of Spanish dominance unprecedented since the start of the 1960s.
Too perfect
Catalan writer Sònia Gelmà suggests that Guardiola’s problem is that he is simply “too perfect”. “Too educated, too elegant, too neat, too successful.” She argues that Guardiola’s extreme accomplishment aroused suspicion and resentment. She advises those who would judge Guardiola a failure: do so by all means, but at least be consistent. “Judge yourself by the same standards, and then try not to kill yourself.”
Guardiola is certainly one of those guys who seems to have it all, and when such a figure suffers a setback there is often more schadenfreude than sympathy. And Guardiola has had an incredible career; the charge that he is “a failure” is absurd.
But the charge that he has failed at Bayern is not. And the notion that any criticism of the maestro must be rooted in envy of his perfection is laughable. Guardiola was good at Bayern, but he was far from perfect.
For a start, a perfect coach would not have been so quick to point the finger at others when things went wrong.
Marti Perarnau’s book Pep Confidential records that Guardiola spent the night of Bayern’s 4-0 defeat to Real Madrid in the 2014 semi-final cursing himself – not for having lost 4-0, but for having allowed his players to talk him into an excessively-attacking approach. This, he reckoned, had been the biggest mistake of his career. Ostensibly taking all the blame, he found a subtle way to share it with the players.
In 2015, it was the doctors’ turn to let Guardiola down. There had been rumours of discord between Guardiola and Bayern’s medical department for weeks by the time of the match at Bayer Leverkusen in April, when the coach reacted to Mehdi Benatia’s injury by turning around to his bench and ostentatiously showering the medics with sarcastic applause. A few days later, the medical department quit en masse, saying they were no longer prepared to put up with Guardiola blaming them for bad results.
Their replacements have fared little better. Guardiola seems unwilling to accept that injuries are part of the game. Last week, Bild reported that he had again lost his temper with Bayern’s doctors, demanding to know why they couldn’t get Arjen Robben fit when Atletico Madrid’s doctors had got Diego Godín back in action after barely a week out injured.
The coach reacted to that report by blaming a mole who, he claimed, had blabbed dressing room secrets “in order to hit me”. Disagreements in football are normal, he said, but usually they stay in the dressing room. A pity that last year he couldn’t remember his own rule about disagreements staying in-house, instead of publicly humiliating his medical team in a packed stadium.
These lapses could have been forgiven if Guardiola’s football genius had made the difference in more of the key moments.
“They say you defend well if you have 11 men in the box, like Bayern had with Trapattoni and Hitzfeld,” Guardiola said. “But my idea is completely different. I like to defend by playing the game 40 metres away from our goal.”
Bayern would play this way against mediocre German sides, winning easily and barely conceding a shot. But the defining international image of Guardiola’s Bayern will be of a superstar of world football – Ronaldo, or Bale, or Messi, or Neymar, or Suarez, or Griezmann – eluding through a high Bayern line and bearing down on Manuel Neuer. In the big matches, that 40 metres of space always seemed to work against Bayern.
There was one sure way for Guardiola to avoid the charge of failure. It was to stick around at Bayern until he had finished the job he had been hired to do. Instead, he joined Manchester City, who offered him more money and more control. At City he will face very different problems from the ones he faced at Bayern, and he can prove new dimensions of his greatness.
But let’s not pretend what happened at Bayern was anything other than a bitter disappointment for everyone involved.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: gawa316 on May 10, 2016, 03:50:01 PM
German league sucks with Bayern just buying their nearest rivals best players all the time.

Be interesting to see if Hummels is selected for the cup final against his future team
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 28, 2016, 08:46:48 PM
Totally in control so far.... Bit boring
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 28, 2016, 09:43:02 PM
How did Ramos not get a black card there!!!!
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Zulu on May 28, 2016, 09:58:44 PM
What channel is this on? Not on Sky, BBC or ITV, is it BT sports?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Minder on May 28, 2016, 10:00:21 PM
What channel is this on? Not on Sky, BBC or ITV, is it BT sports?

Yeah BT Sport
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on May 28, 2016, 10:00:34 PM
It's on RTE 2
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: An Watcher on May 28, 2016, 10:05:56 PM
Sergio Ramos n Pepe must be the most hateful pairing in world football.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: never kickt a ball on May 28, 2016, 10:25:52 PM
They're fit these soccer boys.
Second half of extra time spent sorting out cramp while the ref plays two minutes added.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Boycey on May 28, 2016, 10:42:56 PM
Great set of penos, who at BT decided Owen Hargreaves would be a good co-commentator..
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 28, 2016, 10:46:35 PM
Poor champions league final and disappointing to see Atlético Madrid come up short.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: yellowcard on May 28, 2016, 11:21:01 PM
Sickening result for neutrals proving that football is unfair sometimes. Real have 2 or 3 absolute shit houses though ZZ is a classy fella. Athletico seem destined not to win this trophy with so many near misses.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: under the bar on May 28, 2016, 11:27:44 PM
Real Madrid's penalties have to be the best 5 ever taken in a major competition.  Keeper may as well not have been there for all 5.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: ONeill on May 28, 2016, 11:46:38 PM
Real Madrid's penalties have to be the best 5 ever taken in a major competition.  Keeper may as well not have been there for all 5.

Unless he dived in their direction.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: hardstation on May 28, 2016, 11:48:58 PM
Real Madrid's penalties have to be the best 5 ever taken in a major competition.  Keeper may as well not have been there for all 5.

Unless he dived in their direction.
Exactly. He didn't commit himself to any of them. He just stood there and then moved slightly to the side they were scored in after the event.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: ONeill on May 28, 2016, 11:51:40 PM
Chris Kerr would have saved 3/5
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: hardstation on May 28, 2016, 11:54:01 PM
True. Had the keeper dived and saved any of them, it would have been "poor penalty, nice height for the keeper" etc.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: ashman on May 29, 2016, 12:25:25 AM
One bunch of horrible cheats beat another bunch of horrible cheats . 

Who give a fook .

Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 29, 2016, 08:46:16 AM
11 titles.... Best CL team and with ZZ looking after them they may also win La Liga again.....
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Esmarelda on May 29, 2016, 10:43:23 AM
A reminder of what a terrible sport soccer is.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on May 29, 2016, 10:45:38 AM
One bunch of horrible cheats beat another bunch of horrible cheats . 

Who give a fook .
That's how I would feel after a Tyrone v Armagh game.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Billys Boots on July 21, 2016, 09:21:01 AM
Dundalk one tie away from the Champions League - fair play to them. 
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Post by: illdecide on July 21, 2016, 09:29:26 AM
Dundalk one tie away from the Champions League - fair play to them.

No they have the 3rd round and then there is a knock out round which if your not seeded will almost certainly draw a team like Man City, Porto, Villarreal, Borussia Mönchengladbach, Roma etc
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: pearseog on July 21, 2016, 09:44:07 AM
Dundalk one tie away from the Champions League - fair play to them.

No they have the 3rd round and then there is a knock out round which if your not seeded will almost certainly draw a team like Man City, Porto, Villarreal, Borussia Mönchengladbach, Roma etc

No separate draw in the knock out round for league winners and teams who didn't win their league. So City Porto Villareal Roma etc will draw each other. Whereas if Dundalk got that far they would face a team who actually won their league, Celtic, FC Copenhagen and teams like that.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: AZOffaly on July 21, 2016, 10:03:17 AM
I think the situation is if they win the 3rd round tie, they are guaranteed Europa League Group football. So even if they lose the knockout round 4 tie, they will still benefit from Europa League.

It would be great for them, but from a league perspective, would it kill the league? If one team gets 10 million euro, realistically have the rest any hope of catching them?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: illdecide on July 21, 2016, 10:07:07 AM
TBH i wouldn't bet my wages on it but from following Celtic over the years the only thing that guaranteed them from avoiding the big guns in the last round was being seeded, other than that i'm not 100% sure. I doubt very much Dundalk would be seeded and that's why if they were successful (hopefully are) then they'd be drawn against some of the big guns but again i'm not certain
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Boycey on July 21, 2016, 10:46:14 AM
TBH i wouldn't bet my wages on it but from following Celtic over the years the only thing that guaranteed them from avoiding the big guns in the last round was being seeded, other than that i'm not 100% sure. I doubt very much Dundalk would be seeded and that's why if they were successful (hopefully are) then they'd be drawn against some of the big guns but again i'm not certain

There is now a Champions and a non champions side to the draw. Dundalk now play BATE Borisov and if they win (unlikely) they would play a winner from these other ties

Olympiacos (GRE) v Hapoel Beer-Sheva (ISR)
Astra Giurgiu (ROU) v FC København (DEN)
Ludogorets Razgrad (BUL) v Crvena zvezda (SRB)
Rosenborg (NOR) v APOEL (CYP)
Dinamo Zagreb (CRO) v Dinamo Tbilisi (GEO)
BATE Borisov (BLR) v Dundalk (IRL)
Partizani (ALB) v FC Salzburg (AUT)
Trenčín (SVK) v Legia Warszawa (POL)
Astana (KAZ) v Celtic (SCO)
Viktoria Plzeň (CZE) v Qarabağ (AZE)
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Billys Boots on July 21, 2016, 10:48:21 AM
I think the situation is if they win the 3rd round tie, they are guaranteed Europa League Group football. So even if they lose the knockout round 4 tie, they will still benefit from Europa League.

It would be great for them, but from a league perspective, would it kill the league? If one team gets 10 million euro, realistically have the rest any hope of catching them?

I hear that if Pat's and Cork win their ties tonight, they are both guaranteed €120k, which is a greater financial prize than winning the League.  I think Dundalk are already guaranteed greater than €1m for their achievement last night. 
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Post by: grantwool on July 21, 2016, 11:02:59 AM
Dundalk one tie away from the Champions League - fair play to them.

I hope they'll finally qualify this time!
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: tintin25 on July 21, 2016, 11:23:58 AM
I hope I'm wrong, but can't see Dundalk beating BATE.  BATE should really be winning both legs IMO.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Billys Boots on July 22, 2016, 09:39:18 AM
And Cork progress to the next round as well, overcoming Swedish side BK Hacken 2-1 on aggregate.  Facing Genk FC of Belgium in the next round.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Boycey on July 26, 2016, 09:00:32 PM
Respectable 1-0 loss tonight for Dundalk in the away leg, it gives them hope for the return leg at Oriel Park.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: ashman on July 26, 2016, 09:24:03 PM
Respectable 1-0 loss tonight for Dundalk in the away leg, it gives them hope for the return leg at Oriel Park.

A good result but Dundalk were totally outplayed .  BATE will score in Tallaght I think based on tonight.

Hope I am wrong .
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on August 17, 2016, 09:36:58 PM
Dundalk go down 2-0. First goal was never a peno imo. To concede then in injury time is a killer.
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Post by: ashman on August 17, 2016, 09:45:22 PM
A bridge too far for Dundalk .  Legia a bit to strong . 
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Post by: ashman on August 23, 2016, 08:17:21 PM
Great start by Dundalk . 
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Post by: SHEEDY on August 23, 2016, 08:46:20 PM
Great start by Dundalk . 
great goal, lovely volley by Benson.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: ashman on August 23, 2016, 08:55:09 PM
The longer it remains at 1: 0 the home crowd and players will grow more anxious .
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: ashman on August 23, 2016, 09:10:02 PM
Warsaw done to 10 men !!
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 23, 2016, 09:11:08 PM
The longer it remains at 1: 0 the home crowd and players will grow more anxious .
Dundalk now have the extra man for the final twenty minutes. Makes things very interesting.
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Post by: SHEEDY on August 23, 2016, 09:39:30 PM
Fair play to Dundalk, great effort over 2 legs. Some atmosphere in Warsaw.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: ashman on August 23, 2016, 09:41:05 PM
Not to be.  The second goal in aviva was a killer.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on August 23, 2016, 09:45:22 PM
At least they still have the Europa League.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Billys Boots on August 24, 2016, 09:15:46 AM
I saw the second half last night - Legia looked the better side, but Dundalk were certainly not overawed, or out of their depth.  In fact, they looked very dangerous occasionally when they managed to get some control in the middle third.  Looks like they could do quite well in the Europa League.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: AZOffaly on August 26, 2016, 12:52:17 PM
Tough enough Draw for Dundalk, and no real 'superstar' names to attract massive crowds. Pity.

Zenit(RUS)
AZ(NED)
M. Tel-Aviv(ISR)
Dundalk(IRL)
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Billys Boots on August 26, 2016, 01:12:13 PM
Tough enough Draw for Dundalk, and no real 'superstar' names to attract massive crowds. Pity.

Zenit(RUS)
AZ(NED)
M. Tel-Aviv(ISR)
Dundalk(IRL)

I'll probably still go and watch if I have time.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: ashman on August 26, 2016, 01:52:19 PM
Tough enough Draw for Dundalk, and no real 'superstar' names to attract massive crowds. Pity.

Zenit(RUS)
AZ(NED)
M. Tel-Aviv(ISR)
Dundalk(IRL)

Tallaghtfornia !!!
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: bennydorano on August 26, 2016, 02:06:01 PM
Where will their home games be played?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: seafoid on August 26, 2016, 02:45:26 PM
They have already earned €6 m. Not bad
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Post by: seafoid on August 26, 2016, 03:01:39 PM
The Maccabi Tel Aviv match is sure to feature loads of Palestinian flags.
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Post by: Owenmoresider on August 26, 2016, 05:44:14 PM
The Maccabi Tel Aviv match is sure to feature loads of Palestinian flags.
Why?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: seafoid on August 26, 2016, 07:53:33 PM
The Maccabi Tel Aviv match is sure to feature loads of Palestinian flags.
Why?
Cos the celtic beer sheba match did and people are sick of Israel
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Owenmoresider on August 26, 2016, 09:24:18 PM
The Maccabi Tel Aviv match is sure to feature loads of Palestinian flags.
Why?
Cos the celtic beer sheba match did and people are sick of Israel
So a bunch of barstool shinners will be using to cover of a football match to engage in petty political nonsense. Seen one of those morons in Thurles at the hurling semi final replay the other week too. The lot of them would crap themselves if they had to confront the IDF.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: seafoid on August 27, 2016, 07:31:26 AM
There are only 6 Eastern European teams in the CL group stage. Shows where the money is
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: From the Bunker on August 27, 2016, 08:18:35 AM
There are only 6 Eastern European teams in the CL group stage. Shows where the money is

3 had automatically qualified of those 6?
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Post by: Captain Obvious on February 14, 2017, 09:34:27 PM
Outstanding stuff from PSG tonight doing to Barcelona what Barcelona have done to so many before in the champions league.
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Post by: SHEEDY on February 14, 2017, 10:00:39 PM
Outstanding stuff from PSG tonight doing to Barcelona what Barcelona have done to so many before in the champions league.
psg were unreal and could have won by more. Never seen barcelona being completely outplayed like that before.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: seafoid on February 15, 2017, 09:25:40 AM
Outstanding stuff from PSG tonight doing to Barcelona what Barcelona have done to so many before in the champions league.
psg were unreal and could have won by more. Never seen barcelona being completely outplayed like that before.
Did Bayern not hammer them in the semi a few years ago?

I was wondering how many French players PSG have
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: pearseog on February 15, 2017, 09:45:37 AM
From the starting XI you have Kurzawa, Kimpembe, Rabiot and Matuidi that started.

Also Nkunku came off the bench who is also French. So 5 out of the 14 used are French. Probably above average these days for home grown players.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Applesisapples on February 15, 2017, 11:15:39 AM
Really poor from Barca, how Gomes stayed on the pitch for so long is a mystery. So many players not interested, I suspect Lucho has lost the dressing room.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: seafoid on February 21, 2017, 10:07:12 AM
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/soccer-predictions/champions-league/
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Post by: thebigfella on February 21, 2017, 08:41:48 PM
Pep showing his class there.
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Post by: StGallsGAA on February 21, 2017, 09:03:23 PM
Comedy goalkeeping display tonight
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Post by: AZOffaly on February 21, 2017, 09:04:49 PM
John stones is a mile out of his depth. What a finish by falcao.
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Post by: imtommygunn on February 21, 2017, 09:06:29 PM
far too hyped up by english media. Hasn't been cutting it at all.
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Post by: seafoid on February 21, 2017, 09:07:44 PM
John stones is a mile out of his depth. What a finish by falcao.

Falcao and Di Maria, the 2 Man Utd rejects, are not too shabby at all
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Post by: StGallsGAA on February 21, 2017, 09:14:04 PM
Sterling still remembers the Stevie G dying swan collapse as soon as he enters the box. 
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Post by: seafoid on February 21, 2017, 09:15:43 PM
Pep is like Babs Keating with Offaly. It's not going anwhere
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on February 21, 2017, 09:16:49 PM
John stones is a mile out of his depth. What a finish by falcao.

Falcao and Di Maria, the 2 Man Utd rejects, are not too shabby at all
Good to see them both doing well at bigger clubs.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: AZOffaly on February 21, 2017, 09:20:24 PM
That John Stones is a great player.
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Post by: laoislad on February 21, 2017, 09:20:49 PM
The defending for most of these goals has been shocking  ;D
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Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 21, 2017, 09:41:02 PM
The beautiful game.
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Post by: screenexile on February 21, 2017, 09:50:05 PM
''Twas a great game to watch in all fairness!
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 21, 2017, 09:55:52 PM
Great to watch however some very suspect defending and goalkeeping by both Manchester City and Monaco tonight. Hard to see either of those sides winning the champions league this season.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2017, 10:07:32 PM
John stones is a mile out of his depth. What a finish by falcao.

Falcao and Di Maria, the 2 Man Utd rejects, are not too shabby at all
Good to see them both doing well at bigger clubs.

Could add Sterling in that
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: The Stallion on February 21, 2017, 10:12:58 PM
Sterling isn't doing well though. He's rubbish. Best bit of business Liverpool ever did getting 50 million for him.
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Post by: ONeill on February 21, 2017, 10:23:20 PM
Never really rated Sterling until tonight. Monaco couldn't handle him at times. Gets caught offside too often but a great bit of business by City.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: StGallsGAA on February 21, 2017, 10:27:26 PM
Never really rated Sterling until tonight. Monaco couldn't handle him at times. Gets caught offside too often but a great bit of business by City.

If you consider £50M for a handful of good performances good business then yes!?
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2017, 10:33:02 PM
Sterling isn't doing well though. He's rubbish. Best bit of business Liverpool ever did getting 50 million for him.

He's in champions league scoring goals..... as the above players mentioned have been doing since leaving lowly clubs
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Post by: maldini on February 21, 2017, 11:41:45 PM
The defending for most of these goals has been shocking  ;D

Aye, a good old fashioned 0-0 would have been much better
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Post by: laoislad on February 22, 2017, 08:35:28 AM
The defending for most of these goals has been shocking  ;D

Aye, a good old fashioned 0-0 would have been much better
Aye,because that's exactly what I meant. ::)
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Post by: Fuzzman on February 22, 2017, 10:05:26 AM
As an Everton fan, I laughed last night when somebody tweeted into TV3 that is was like watching Everton with more skill or something to that effect, referring to how we used to defend and lose games 4-3.

It's amazing how much influence a manager can have on a players career.
Compare how John Stones has developed under Martinez and now Pep to say Moses under Conte.
A few years ago Stones was telling the fans to calm down after he had been messing about with the ball inside his own box and they were roaring at him to just clear it.

City are great entertainment as a neutral but must be a nightmare to watch as a fan. They've conceded more goals than Middlesboro in the league and Pep hasn't sorted out their defence or goalkeeping situation yet they are only 8 points behind Chelsea. I'd say they are relieved that their big game v Utd is off this weekend.
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Post by: Taylor on February 22, 2017, 10:43:30 AM
The defence simply isnt good enough and neither the CL or PL will be won.
Pep has the team playing exciting football but seems to have forgotten how to defend - Stones is a shambles even with the goal.
Now there are 2 calamitous keepers  ::)

Aguero when not injured is the best out and out striker in the world.

Even Sterling is beginning to look like he is worth half of his transfer value
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Post by: HiMucker on February 22, 2017, 11:06:30 AM
I initially thought Sterlings transfer fee was ridiculous.  But you see the likes of Snodgrass going for £14 mil, and Ross McCormick in the championship going to Villa for £14mil!  Then the Sterling transfer even if not playing well, and blowing hot and cold is probably about right.  The money involved now is just mental.
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Post by: Maroon Manc on February 22, 2017, 11:35:10 AM
It was a great game last night involving 2 teams who haven't a hope of winning the trophy. Monaco were the better team for most of the game but had a crazy 15 minute spell which has probably cost them the tie. As for Sterling it was a very open game which suited him, Pep has far bigger problems than Sterling though mainly a back 4 which are very poor.
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Post by: screenexile on February 22, 2017, 12:05:00 PM
You'd have to think Pep will have to get proper cover in for Kompany as well as a decent left back/right back and defensive midfielder for next season... if he gets that they have all the tools to become a big European force because their attack can be electric!
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Post by: lurganblue on February 22, 2017, 01:18:56 PM
KDB hits a quality dead ball.
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Post by: Main Street on February 23, 2017, 09:56:56 PM
Strange to see 50k attendees leaving their seats on the 80th min mark  to go home, at Spurs v Gent.
How did Spurs lose to that team? I hadn't even heard of Gent before, never mind recognise any of their players ::)
Big Vic though is a player apart on that Spurs team, I think he'd be ideal for Liverpool, a seamless shoe in.
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Post by: Captain Obvious on March 08, 2017, 08:30:03 PM
Barcelona half way there to staging incredible comeback.
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Post by: hardstation on March 08, 2017, 09:10:57 PM
And PSG get the 1 they need.
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Post by: HiMucker on March 08, 2017, 09:15:48 PM
Jesus Barca are diving b**tards
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Post by: Captain Obvious on March 08, 2017, 09:43:19 PM
 :o
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Post by: hardstation on March 08, 2017, 09:43:41 PM
Amazing!
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Post by: Main Street on March 08, 2017, 09:46:26 PM
I think something greater than amazing,
never ever been done before.
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Post by: seafoid on March 08, 2017, 09:48:00 PM
PSG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy0sIqHqVgs

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Post by: mrdeeds on March 08, 2017, 09:50:26 PM
PSG outbottled Arsenal.
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Post by: Capt Pat on March 08, 2017, 09:52:26 PM
Brings back memories of United in that same stadium.
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Post by: laoislad on March 08, 2017, 09:52:44 PM
Ah Ffs I turned it off with five mins to go..Raging.
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Post by: Captain Obvious on March 08, 2017, 09:53:23 PM
I have just watched the best ever comeback in a game of football. Barcelona have to go on and win the champions league now after that win.  PSG....how they are feeling after losing like that!
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Post by: winghalfun on March 08, 2017, 09:54:01 PM
Suaraz dive hidden in the result.
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Post by: trileacman on March 08, 2017, 09:54:10 PM
Don't watch soccer anymore but I'm gutted I missed that tonight.
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Post by: Main Street on March 08, 2017, 09:56:08 PM
I thought that game had settled into a 3-1.

No one ever expects the Spanish inquisition!
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Post by: Main Street on March 08, 2017, 09:58:43 PM
Suaraz dive hidden in the result.
This time, the result was greater than that blatant dive.
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Post by: Throw ball on March 08, 2017, 10:00:15 PM
Exciting match decided by the best divers.
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Post by: PW Nally on March 08, 2017, 10:06:49 PM
Incredible finish. 3 goals required from 87th minute on. Neymar free kick, his penalty take from a dodgy decision and a perfect ball from him again into no man's land for Roberto to finish.
Di Maria fluffing his opportunity when straight through on Ter Stegen really poor as he seemed to be too indecisive and of course dived then to look to apportion blame elsewhere.

Some match. Suarez a horrible diving hoor when things not going his way.
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Post by: Main Street on March 08, 2017, 10:30:14 PM
Overall the ref did well,  i think the 2nd peno was about the only time he was fooled.
But it has to be said that the defender did everything to simulate  striking Suarez.
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Post by: Syferus on March 08, 2017, 10:30:29 PM
Neymar is a mighty ladeen.
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Post by: Cunny Funt on March 09, 2017, 12:53:06 AM
That was Coco United like from Barcelona https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=laTTUGzwgD4
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Post by: Gold on March 09, 2017, 07:36:05 AM
Overall the ref did well,  i think the 2nd peno was about the only time he was fooled.
But it has to be said that the defender did everything to simulate  striking Suarez.

I agree....like why did the defender put his forearm up into the back of Suarez  neck?? Idiot!
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Post by: manfromdelmonte on March 09, 2017, 07:46:00 AM
A victory for cheating and diving
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Post by: Taylor on March 09, 2017, 08:03:22 AM
What a team.
Have to take your hat of to them. PSG completely lost the plot.

The referee did very well considering the pressure he was under from the baying mob - fantastic atmosphere mind you.

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Post by: johnneycool on March 09, 2017, 09:25:19 AM
Incredible finish. 3 goals required from 87th minute on. Neymar free kick, his penalty take from a dodgy decision and a perfect ball from him again into no man's land for Roberto to finish.
Di Maria fluffing his opportunity when straight through on Ter Stegen really poor as he seemed to be too indecisive and of course dived then to look to apportion blame elsewhere.

Some match. Suarez a horrible diving hoor when things not going his way.

Thought Mascerano caught Di Maria on the heel, didn't see any replays though to confirm that though.
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Post by: Maroon Manc on March 09, 2017, 09:39:33 AM
It will take PSG a long time to get over that, they threw it away. They were the better team over 2 legs as shown when they went 3-0 down last night and they created 4 great chances scoring one. YOu have to give Barca credit for the way they kept going given they scored 6 times without Messi & Suarez playing that well. If PSG had been 2-0 coming into that game last night I'd have expected them to go through, they approached the game in the wrong ways and its cost them.

As for Barca its hard to take to them, Suarez, Neymar & Busqets are 3 of the biggest cheats that have ever played the game, thought Neymar and Suarez took it too new levels last night. The cheats prospered last night, must be nearly 10 years since Eduardo was banned after diving against Celtic yet I can't remember it happening to a player since.
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Post by: JoG2 on March 09, 2017, 09:53:41 AM
It will take PSG a long time to get over that, they threw it away. They were the better team over 2 legs as shown when they went 3-0 down last night and they created 4 great chances scoring one. YOu have to give Barca credit for the way they kept going given they scored 6 times without Messi & Suarez playing that well. If PSG had been 2-0 coming into that game last night I'd have expected them to go through, they approached the game in the wrong ways and its cost them.

As for Barca its hard to take to them, Suarez, Neymar & Busqets are 3 of the biggest cheats that have ever played the game, thought Neymar and Suarez took it too new levels last night. The cheats prospered last night, must be nearly 10 years since Eduardo was banned after diving against Celtic yet I can't remember it happening to a player since.

it was overturned though, and therein lies the problem...these hooers are allowed to get away with it time and time again !!
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Post by: thebuzz on March 09, 2017, 09:54:01 AM
It will take PSG a long time to get over that, they threw it away. They were the better team over 2 legs as shown when they went 3-0 down last night and they created 4 great chances scoring one. YOu have to give Barca credit for the way they kept going given they scored 6 times without Messi & Suarez playing that well. If PSG had been 2-0 coming into that game last night I'd have expected them to go through, they approached the game in the wrong ways and its cost them.

As for Barca its hard to take to them, Suarez, Neymar & Busqets are 3 of the biggest cheats that have ever played the game, thought Neymar and Suarez took it too new levels last night. The cheats prospered last night, must be nearly 10 years since Eduardo was banned after diving against Celtic yet I can't remember it happening to a player since.
If they played the game like Messi they would be easy to admire. I never saw him dive but I'm open to correction :-)
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Post by: StGallsGAA on March 09, 2017, 09:55:34 AM
As impressive as the comeback was, no PSG player would have been still on the pitch had he persistently dived as Neymar and particularly Suarez did.  How can the ref decide to keep his card in his pocket when they did it time and time again.  Disgraceful and belittles the achievement completely.
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Post by: Maroon Manc on March 09, 2017, 10:07:44 AM
Did Michael Owen forget he played for Real Madrid, I doubt there's a club he played for where he's liked.

The ref was a disgrace last night, I find it odd how he got a great view of the first Barca pen but only gave it when the official behind the goal intervened; The same official didn't bother intervening when Suarez dived for the 2nd pen. I wouldn't have given the first one either, the PSG player's momentum carried him forward and he didn't change direction or deliberately try to bring down the Barca player. Then there's the obvious foul on Di Maria which would have been a pen and a red card.

It reminds of the CL semi in 2009 when Chelsea were robbed by the ref when Barca went through to the final.
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Post by: Canalman on March 09, 2017, 10:16:44 AM
Watched it last night and had the mehhh ! feeling afterwards when I should have been in awe of the game.

Both penalties given imo were nonsense decisions. Diving all over the place with one team way more at it than the other.

Some amount of nonsense about the last pass in to the square for the goal at the end. Imo just a dink into the box with the PSG playing a shambolic offside line. Nice pass but not the sublime pass it was made out to be . Imo of course.
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Post by: Syferus on March 09, 2017, 10:23:29 AM
It will take PSG a long time to get over that, they threw it away. They were the better team over 2 legs as shown when they went 3-0 down last night and they created 4 great chances scoring one. YOu have to give Barca credit for the way they kept going given they scored 6 times without Messi & Suarez playing that well. If PSG had been 2-0 coming into that game last night I'd have expected them to go through, they approached the game in the wrong ways and its cost them.

As for Barca its hard to take to them, Suarez, Neymar & Busqets are 3 of the biggest cheats that have ever played the game, thought Neymar and Suarez took it too new levels last night. The cheats prospered last night, must be nearly 10 years since Eduardo was banned after diving against Celtic yet I can't remember it happening to a player since.

PSG were far from the best over the two legs. Even a team getting annihilated can get a few goal chances. Barca pressed them high up the field and they totally lost any sembelence of composure for 75 minutes of that match.

Very easy to like Barca too. What a wonderful footballing side. They may have won plenty but most would have been rooting for them over the oil men. There might be no better atmosphere in world sport than the Nou Camp at full tilt.
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Post by: ashman on March 09, 2017, 10:27:08 AM
It will take PSG a long time to get over that, they threw it away. They were the better team over 2 legs as shown when they went 3-0 down last night and they created 4 great chances scoring one. YOu have to give Barca credit for the way they kept going given they scored 6 times without Messi & Suarez playing that well. If PSG had been 2-0 coming into that game last night I'd have expected them to go through, they approached the game in the wrong ways and its cost them.

As for Barca its hard to take to them, Suarez, Neymar & Busqets are 3 of the biggest cheats that have ever played the game, thought Neymar and Suarez took it too new levels last night. The cheats prospered last night, must be nearly 10 years since Eduardo was banned after diving against Celtic yet I can't remember it happening to a player since.

PSG were far from the best over the two legs. Even a team getting annihilated can get a few goal chances. Barca pressed them high up the field and they totally lost any sembelence of composure for 75 minutes of that match.

Very easy to like Barca too. What a wonderful footballing side. They may have won plenty but most would have been rooting for them over the oil men. There might be no better atmosphere in world sport than the Nou Camp at full tilt.

Who is sponsoring Barcelona ??
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Post by: Maroon Manc on March 09, 2017, 10:31:10 AM
Watched it last night and had the mehhh ! feeling afterwards when I should have been in awe of the game.

Both penalties given imo were nonsense decisions. Diving all over the place with one team way more at it than the other.

Some amount of nonsense about the last pass in to the square for the goal at the end. Imo just a dink into the box with the PSG playing a shambolic offside line. Nice pass but not the sublime pass it was made out to be . Imo of course.

Agreed, according to Gerrard we're not football lovers for not jumping off the sofa when Barca got the 6th.
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Post by: Minder on March 09, 2017, 10:43:33 AM
Diving in football ?? Never. There isn't a team that doesent do it so don't be holding your noses when your watching it
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Post by: JoG2 on March 09, 2017, 10:46:36 AM
Diving in football ?? Never. There isn't a team that doesent do it so don't be holding your noses when your watching it

so that's it, it's part of the game, accept it, don't mention it and move on?
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Post by: mrdeeds on March 09, 2017, 10:48:39 AM
Incredible finish. 3 goals required from 87th minute on. Neymar free kick, his penalty take from a dodgy decision and a perfect ball from him again into no man's land for Roberto to finish.
Di Maria fluffing his opportunity when straight through on Ter Stegen really poor as he seemed to be too indecisive and of course dived then to look to apportion blame elsewhere.

Some match. Suarez a horrible diving hoor when things not going his way.

Thought Mascerano caught Di Maria on the heel, didn't see any replays though to confirm that though.

He admitted himself he fouled DiMaria to prevent a goal. And someone earlier accused DiMaria of diving.
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Post by: Minder on March 09, 2017, 10:50:29 AM
Diving in football ?? Never. There isn't a team that doesent do it so don't be holding your noses when your watching it

so that's it, it's part of the game, accept it, don't mention it and move on?

Well there is no appetite for doing anything about it, it's been going on forever & yet people still seem surprised.
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Post by: shark on March 09, 2017, 10:51:20 AM
Diving in football ?? Never. There isn't a team that doesent do it so don't be holding your noses when your watching it

Teams don't dive, individuals do. There were more instances last night than you would see at some football grounds in an entire season. It spoils it for me, as a neutral who just wants to see an entertaining but fair sporting contest.
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Post by: The Stallion on March 09, 2017, 10:59:29 AM
Did Michael Owen forget he played for Real Madrid, I doubt there's a club he played for where he's liked.

The ref was a disgrace last night, I find it odd how he got a great view of the first Barca pen but only gave it when the official behind the goal intervened; The same official didn't bother intervening when Suarez dived for the 2nd pen. I wouldn't have given the first one either, the PSG player's momentum carried him forward and he didn't change direction or deliberately try to bring down the Barca player. Then there's the obvious foul on Di Maria which would have been a pen and a red card.

Why would playing for Madrid prevent him from enjoying Barcelona's comeback last night?

I have yet to see conclusive footage showing Di Maria was fouled, anyone got a link which shows this?
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Post by: The Stallion on March 09, 2017, 11:00:48 AM
Diving in football ?? Never. There isn't a team that doesent do it so don't be holding your noses when your watching it

so that's it, it's part of the game, accept it, don't mention it and move on?


Most Liverpool supporters are only too happy to pretend Gerrard didn't dive in the 2005 Champions League final, and in many other games too.
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Post by: Esmarelda on March 09, 2017, 11:44:41 AM
Watched it last night and had the mehhh ! feeling afterwards when I should have been in awe of the game.

Both penalties given imo were nonsense decisions. Diving all over the place with one team way more at it than the other.

Some amount of nonsense about the last pass in to the square for the goal at the end. Imo just a dink into the box with the PSG playing a shambolic offside line. Nice pass but not the sublime pass it was made out to be . Imo of course.
Couldn't agree more.
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Post by: NAG1 on March 09, 2017, 12:00:21 PM
Watched it last night and had the mehhh ! feeling afterwards when I should have been in awe of the game.

Both penalties given imo were nonsense decisions. Diving all over the place with one team way more at it than the other.

Some amount of nonsense about the last pass in to the square for the goal at the end. Imo just a dink into the box with the PSG playing a shambolic offside line. Nice pass but not the sublime pass it was made out to be . Imo of course.
Couldn't agree more.

Hard to argue with any of that, instead of being blown away by the scale of the come back it left a bitter taste in that the cheaters won out in the end.

Suarez throwing himself to the ground at every chance along with Neymar shockingly bad. Actually had the ref been doing his job properly he booked suarez for simulation and then after that he committed three or more fouls on the count up alone he should have seen red.

But anyway, goes to show that with all the crap that will be written about the game that it was, it was a hollow victory devoid of all the morality that would have made it a Glorious triumph.
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Post by: gallsman on March 09, 2017, 01:25:38 PM
Why would playing for Madrid prevent him from enjoying Barcelona's comeback last night?

Because MM has some weird idea that rather than comment on the game as paid to do, he should behave like a petty child and be raging with Barca for having the temerity to win a game of football, purely as a result of the fact he once played for their rivals.

Enjoy the lads to to Rostov tonight MM.
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Post by: mouview on March 09, 2017, 02:20:19 PM

As for Barca its hard to take to them, Suarez, Neymar & Busqets are 3 of the biggest cheats that have ever played the game, thought Neymar and Suarez took it too new levels last night. The cheats prospered last night, must be nearly 10 years since Eduardo was banned after diving against Celtic yet I can't remember it happening to a player since.

Not disagreeing with you, but Cavani is no angel either. Was karma for Barce' after what happened v Atletico in the semi' second leg last year; now there was cheating, gamesmanship, time-wasting etc. par excellence.
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Post by: Taylor on March 09, 2017, 02:28:45 PM
Has anyone been to the Nou Camp for one of the top European games or for a Athletico/Madrid game?

The atmosphere last night seemed to be unreal akin to one of those crazy S Amercan club teams
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Post by: Fuzzman on March 09, 2017, 02:34:45 PM
I think if video evidence was allowed to be used after games to suspend players who very obviously dive or cheat should get bans. If players knew they would be punished afterwards there would be a lot less of it going on.

I tuned in last night just before the second penalty and I couldn't believe that was given. Maybe I was distracted by Suarez's total overreaction to see if the defender did actually touch his arm off his neck or chest but when I saw the first one then later I was totally amazed.
It was a great exciting match and I was disappointed for PSG but I suppose that's what makes sport exciting and it's much better than the defensive games we've all come to know so much lately.

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Post by: Maroon Manc on March 09, 2017, 02:41:23 PM
I think if video evidence was allowed to be used after games to suspend players who very obviously dive or cheat should get bans. If players knew they would be punished afterwards there would be a lot less of it going on.

I tuned in last night just before the second penalty and I couldn't believe that was given. Maybe I was distracted by Suarez's total overreaction to see if the defender did actually touch his arm off his neck or chest but when I saw the first one then later I was totally amazed.
It was a great exciting match and I was disappointed for PSG but I suppose that's what makes sport exciting and it's much better than the defensive games we've all come to know so much lately.

Just checked and it was 2009 when Eduardo was initially banned for his dive against Celtic, I don't recalled UEFA or the FA banning anyone since. Its such a big part of the game and players are allowed to get away with it.
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Post by: Esmarelda on March 09, 2017, 02:46:35 PM
It's pretty bizarre that Eduardo was banned and nobody since. How can that be? UEFA decided to look at one incident? Who brought the Eduardo incident to their attention or what is the protocol for such retrospective action.

Oh and Maroon Manc, my comments above don't mean that I'm an ABanything. ;D
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Post by: Fuzzman on March 09, 2017, 03:10:18 PM
Think it was the Sunday Game who told UEFA  ;D
Probably Ciaran Whelan.
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Post by: Rossie11 on March 09, 2017, 03:19:47 PM
Has anyone been to the Nou Camp for one of the top European games or for a Athletico/Madrid game?

The atmosphere last night seemed to be unreal akin to one of those crazy S Amercan club teams

Have been to 7-8 of them all in knock outs. If Barca had won the 1st leg the 2nd leg was usually a duck shoot so atmosphere was tame enough
Few of them were good. Chelsea in 2006 even though Barca had won the 1st leg, Jose was involved and there was needle from the 1st leg made for a great atmosphere.
PSG in 2013 were ahead in the tie at one stage so that made it a nervy finish.
Heard from a hungover Catalan season ticket holder this morn and he said they had never seen anything like it. It topped the 4-0 comeback V Milan a few years ago and the 5-0 V Madrid in 2010.
Normally the stadium would empty in 20mins but last night nobody wanted to leave.

I think the fans know that this team is coming to an end and it gave them one more special night to appreciate them.
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Post by: Dinny Breen on March 09, 2017, 03:27:36 PM
Speaking of Barcelona I read this in the telegraph yesterday.

Quote
Since the Second World War, only two Barcelona managers have ever made it past four seasons. Frank Rijkaard did five, and ended up a hollow, haunted husk of a man, his managerial career destroyed. Johan Cruyff did eight, and had a heart attack.

The most pressurised job in world football, you can even see it Enrique's eyes.

Full article here - a good read

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/03/08/madridification-barcelona-barca-went-mes-que-un-club-just-another/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/03/08/madridification-barcelona-barca-went-mes-que-un-club-just-another/)
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Post by: Main Street on March 09, 2017, 03:30:27 PM
Eduardo got off on appeal, afair, the appeal was based on this arbitrary use of the diving charge.
Since then though Arsenal have been truly cursed in the champions league (post group stage), a curse of Gypsy Lee proportions. Realistically Celtic only had pride to play for in that 2nd leg but that Eduardo cnt took away that chance that honest effort could allow  Celtic to salvage some pride from the tie.
That Eduardo incident brought about the extra goal line official in uefa competition in both club and country, supposed only to advise on penalty incidents.
The ref last night copped onto much of the diving and I don't believe the onus should be the ref to dish out a yellow card  unless he is absolutely 100% sure, I'd leave charges for diving for a post game video court.
There were 3 tv angles of the Suarez dive.
It looked a blatant penalty from the first live angle, Suarez got chopped down with forearm smash, no question it was a penalty.
The second and third angle show that only the slightest contact was made, not enough for a penalty award
But the defender in a moment of nerve assisted panic, brought his armed right across Suarez, who theatrically dived as soon as felt the hair on his neck being touched. Therefore imo hard to prove beyond doubt with video evidence that he dived, the defender did not leave enough doubt in live viewing, both for the ref and the fella behingd the goal, that it was not a foul.
Afaic, the ref did well and the game was one enthralling football spectacle from the beginning (yes we can), to the end.
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Post by: laoislad on March 09, 2017, 04:03:55 PM
Has anyone been to the Nou Camp for one of the top European games or for a Athletico/Madrid game?

The atmosphere last night seemed to be unreal akin to one of those crazy S Amercan club teams
I was at it for a La Liga game a few years ago v Sevilla. Fantastic atmosphere.
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Post by: Applesisapples on March 09, 2017, 04:21:57 PM
Suaraz dive hidden in the result.
This time, the result was greater than that blatant dive.
No doubt that Suarez bought the peno, but Messi was pulled to the ground previously, swings etc...
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Post by: Syferus on March 09, 2017, 05:02:48 PM
It will take PSG a long time to get over that, they threw it away. They were the better team over 2 legs as shown when they went 3-0 down last night and they created 4 great chances scoring one. YOu have to give Barca credit for the way they kept going given they scored 6 times without Messi & Suarez playing that well. If PSG had been 2-0 coming into that game last night I'd have expected them to go through, they approached the game in the wrong ways and its cost them.

As for Barca its hard to take to them, Suarez, Neymar & Busqets are 3 of the biggest cheats that have ever played the game, thought Neymar and Suarez took it too new levels last night. The cheats prospered last night, must be nearly 10 years since Eduardo was banned after diving against Celtic yet I can't remember it happening to a player since.

PSG were far from the best over the two legs. Even a team getting annihilated can get a few goal chances. Barca pressed them high up the field and they totally lost any sembelence of composure for 75 minutes of that match.

Very easy to like Barca too. What a wonderful footballing side. They may have won plenty but most would have been rooting for them over the oil men. There might be no better atmosphere in world sport than the Nou Camp at full tilt.

Who is sponsoring Barcelona ??

For many years Barca paid UNICEF to use their logo on their jersies. They're a big commercial operation of course but they do things differently both on and off the field to most clubs. Their academy is legendary in a way that makes the Class of '92 nonsense in Manchester look like a pale imitation. It's hard not to appreciate players as good as Messi, Neymar, Iniesta and even Suarez. Would not begrudge them another European Cup, certainly more than their Classico rivals or Man City.
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Post by: seafoid on March 09, 2017, 05:19:47 PM
Barse would remind you of Kilkenny. They know how to grind out a win they don't deserve, playing on the mental weakness of their opponents
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Post by: shark on March 09, 2017, 05:49:13 PM
Has anyone been to the Nou Camp for one of the top European games or for a Athletico/Madrid game?

The atmosphere last night seemed to be unreal akin to one of those crazy S Amercan club teams

Never for a European game, but for league games. Spend a good bit of time in Madrid. Was at Real v Las Palmas last Wednesday and Atletico v Valencia on Sunday. There is no comparison between the atmosphere at the two. Going to a game at Vincente Calderon is amazing. On another level to anything I've experienced at English grounds. Obviously a larger crowd at Real but they are much quieter and turn on their team in an instant. About 20% of the crowd had left last week while they were 3-1 down. The boos and hisses started once they went 2-1 down. They drew 3-3 in the end.
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Post by: Boycey on March 09, 2017, 06:19:28 PM
Been at the Nou Camp for a couple of League games and the atmosphere was pretty low key, also was at the Barca-United Champions league semi in 2008 and the atmosphere was nothing to write home about that night either. Although it was a pretty tense 0-0 1st leg..
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Post by: bennydorano on March 09, 2017, 06:19:39 PM
It will take PSG a long time to get over that, they threw it away. They were the better team over 2 legs as shown when they went 3-0 down last night and they created 4 great chances scoring one. YOu have to give Barca credit for the way they kept going given they scored 6 times without Messi & Suarez playing that well. If PSG had been 2-0 coming into that game last night I'd have expected them to go through, they approached the game in the wrong ways and its cost them.

As for Barca its hard to take to them, Suarez, Neymar & Busqets are 3 of the biggest cheats that have ever played the game, thought Neymar and Suarez took it too new levels last night. The cheats prospered last night, must be nearly 10 years since Eduardo was banned after diving against Celtic yet I can't remember it happening to a player since.

PSG were far from the best over the two legs. Even a team getting annihilated can get a few goal chances. Barca pressed them high up the field and they totally lost any sembelence of composure for 75 minutes of that match.

Very easy to like Barca too. What a wonderful footballing side. They may have won plenty but most would have been rooting for them over the oil men. There might be no better atmosphere in world sport than the Nou Camp at full tilt.

Who is sponsoring Barcelona ??

For many years Barca paid UNICEF to use their logo on their jersies. They're a big commercial operation of course but they do things differently both on and off the field to most clubs. Their academy is legendary in a way that makes the Class of '92 nonsense in Manchester look like a pale imitation. It's hard not to appreciate players as good as Messi, Neymar, Iniesta and even Suarez. Would not begrudge them another European Cup, certainly more than their Classico rivals or Man City.
Paid UNICEF? Wore their jerseys yes, the more cynical in the world reckoned they were the ethical bridge from going from a 'we will never have sponsors on our jerseys' (as it wasn't their way) to Qatari Airways.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: shark on March 09, 2017, 06:22:11 PM
It will take PSG a long time to get over that, they threw it away. They were the better team over 2 legs as shown when they went 3-0 down last night and they created 4 great chances scoring one. YOu have to give Barca credit for the way they kept going given they scored 6 times without Messi & Suarez playing that well. If PSG had been 2-0 coming into that game last night I'd have expected them to go through, they approached the game in the wrong ways and its cost them.

As for Barca its hard to take to them, Suarez, Neymar & Busqets are 3 of the biggest cheats that have ever played the game, thought Neymar and Suarez took it too new levels last night. The cheats prospered last night, must be nearly 10 years since Eduardo was banned after diving against Celtic yet I can't remember it happening to a player since.

PSG were far from the best over the two legs. Even a team getting annihilated can get a few goal chances. Barca pressed them high up the field and they totally lost any sembelence of composure for 75 minutes of that match.

Very easy to like Barca too. What a wonderful footballing side. They may have won plenty but most would have been rooting for them over the oil men. There might be no better atmosphere in world sport than the Nou Camp at full tilt.

Who is sponsoring Barcelona ??

For many years Barca paid UNICEF to use their logo on their jersies. They're a big commercial operation of course but they do things differently both on and off the field to most clubs. Their academy is legendary in a way that makes the Class of '92 nonsense in Manchester look like a pale imitation. It's hard not to appreciate players as good as Messi, Neymar, Iniesta and even Suarez. Would not begrudge them another European Cup, certainly more than their Classico rivals or Man City.
Paid UNICEF? Wore their jerseys yes, the more cynical in the world reckoned they were the ethical bridge from going from a 'we will never have sponsors on our jerseys' (as it wasn't their way) to Qatari Airways.

Well they did pay UNICEF, about €7m a year. But as you say that didn't last long. The presidency changed hands and so did the vision and ethos. They went to Qatari Foundation before going with Qatar Airways.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: bennydorano on March 09, 2017, 06:42:00 PM
I doubt the change of Presidency was the critical factor tbh. I can remember reading the papers at the time and the tone was ' it's only a matter of time to it's a proper sponsor' UNICEF were the bridge.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Syferus on March 09, 2017, 06:44:30 PM
It will take PSG a long time to get over that, they threw it away. They were the better team over 2 legs as shown when they went 3-0 down last night and they created 4 great chances scoring one. YOu have to give Barca credit for the way they kept going given they scored 6 times without Messi & Suarez playing that well. If PSG had been 2-0 coming into that game last night I'd have expected them to go through, they approached the game in the wrong ways and its cost them.

As for Barca its hard to take to them, Suarez, Neymar & Busqets are 3 of the biggest cheats that have ever played the game, thought Neymar and Suarez took it too new levels last night. The cheats prospered last night, must be nearly 10 years since Eduardo was banned after diving against Celtic yet I can't remember it happening to a player since.

PSG were far from the best over the two legs. Even a team getting annihilated can get a few goal chances. Barca pressed them high up the field and they totally lost any sembelence of composure for 75 minutes of that match.

Very easy to like Barca too. What a wonderful footballing side. They may have won plenty but most would have been rooting for them over the oil men. There might be no better atmosphere in world sport than the Nou Camp at full tilt.

Who is sponsoring Barcelona ??

For many years Barca paid UNICEF to use their logo on their jersies. They're a big commercial operation of course but they do things differently both on and off the field to most clubs. Their academy is legendary in a way that makes the Class of '92 nonsense in Manchester look like a pale imitation. It's hard not to appreciate players as good as Messi, Neymar, Iniesta and even Suarez. Would not begrudge them another European Cup, certainly more than their Classico rivals or Man City.
Paid UNICEF? Wore their jerseys yes, the more cynical in the world reckoned they were the ethical bridge from going from a 'we will never have sponsors on our jerseys' (as it wasn't their way) to Qatari Airways.

Ah. The attitude that when any organisation does something good there must be a way to make it seem shady. Conspiracy theories seem to be a favourite of this board's.

And yes, they paid UNICEF for the privilege of being advertising boards for them. I suppose some mythical paper has floated the idea that was a tax avoidance scheme..
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: shark on March 09, 2017, 07:01:37 PM
I doubt the change of Presidency was the critical factor tbh. I can remember reading the papers at the time and the tone was ' it's only a matter of time to it's a proper sponsor' UNICEF were the bridge.

Ah but it was. There is no way under Laporta that they would have gone down the jersey sponsorship route, for example. Cruyff was his main advisor and as we know he was the personification of their ethos for a long time. They guy who replaced Laporta in 2010 (name escapes me) had been a top executive at Nike and was commercially driven. Sponsorship appeared on their jerseys, and they started spending Real Madrid level of money (Neymar, Suarez) rather than promoting youth from La Masia.
Of course, I understand your point, and there certainly was the feeling of how long can this last. But it took Laporta leaving for it to actually happen.
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Post by: Minder on March 09, 2017, 07:14:07 PM
I doubt the change of Presidency was the critical factor tbh. I can remember reading the papers at the time and the tone was ' it's only a matter of time to it's a proper sponsor' UNICEF were the bridge.

Ah but it was. There is no way under Laporta that they would have gone down the jersey sponsorship route, for example. Cruyff was his main advisor and as we know he was the personification of their ethos for a long time. They guy who replaced Laporta in 2010 (name escapes me) had been a top executive at Nike and was commercially driven. Sponsorship appeared on their jerseys, and they started spending Real Madrid level of money (Neymar, Suarez) rather than promoting youth from La Masia.
Of course, I understand your point, and there certainly was the feeling of how long can this last. But it took Laporta leaving for it to actually happen.

Think Sandro Rosell followed Laporta
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: shark on March 09, 2017, 07:39:01 PM
I doubt the change of Presidency was the critical factor tbh. I can remember reading the papers at the time and the tone was ' it's only a matter of time to it's a proper sponsor' UNICEF were the bridge.

Ah but it was. There is no way under Laporta that they would have gone down the jersey sponsorship route, for example. Cruyff was his main advisor and as we know he was the personification of their ethos for a long time. They guy who replaced Laporta in 2010 (name escapes me) had been a top executive at Nike and was commercially driven. Sponsorship appeared on their jerseys, and they started spending Real Madrid level of money (Neymar, Suarez) rather than promoting youth from La Masia.
Of course, I understand your point, and there certainly was the feeling of how long can this last. But it took Laporta leaving for it to actually happen.

Think Sandro Rosell followed Laporta

That's the one!!
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Post by: Cunny Funt on March 12, 2017, 05:07:03 PM
Barcelona 6-1 winners on Wednesday night followed by a 2-1 defeat to Deportivo today who were 17th in the La Liga table. Football bloody hell.
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Post by: Boycey on March 12, 2017, 05:35:22 PM
All the diving mustn't have paid off today..
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Post by: laoislad on March 12, 2017, 05:53:35 PM
United fans complaining about other teams diving  ;D
Reminds me of a certain Alanis Morrisette song..
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Post by: SHEEDY on March 12, 2017, 09:41:19 PM
Sergio ramos to real madrid's rescue again. A late goal in a 2-1 win over betis moves them 2 points ahead of barca.
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Post by: Billys Boots on March 13, 2017, 09:07:05 AM
Sergio ramos to real madrid's rescue again. A late goal in a 2-1 win over betis moves them 2 points ahead of barca.

I saw that for his last 23 goals, 19 of them have been when Madrid have been behind or level - some ammo to have in the locker. 
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Post by: JoG2 on March 13, 2017, 10:57:22 AM
Heard Mark Lawrenson on Today FM on Sat talking about the Barca game. Interviewer asked him did he not think the diving took a bit of the gloss off the victory, "no". You've an big old fashioned 'AVE IT!' centre half turned analyst declaring it's fine to win by diving / cheating.
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Post by: Maroon Manc on March 13, 2017, 11:10:45 AM
Given how many goals Ramos scores you'd think he'd get a bit more attention in the box.
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Post by: The Stallion on March 13, 2017, 11:36:29 AM
Ramos is a complete liability defensively, and if he wasn't allowed to get away with things the way he does, he'd have at least double the red cards he has accumulated. Massively overrated player.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Denn Forever on March 13, 2017, 12:17:41 PM
Stallion, you seem to think all players are crap, who would you pick  for your best 11?

Let's do your Premiership 11
            European 11
            Best ever 11.

Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Syferus on March 13, 2017, 12:32:22 PM
Ramos is a complete liability defensively, and if he wasn't allowed to get away with things the way he does, he'd have at least double the red cards he has accumulated. Massively overrated player.

...said as he single handedly won Real three or four matches in the last month and a half.
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Post by: The Stallion on March 13, 2017, 01:30:56 PM
Stallion, you seem to think all players are crap, who would you pick  for your best 11?

Let's do your Premiership 11
            European 11
            Best ever 11.



I don't think all players are crap. Just the crap ones. Happy to set you straight on that point.

I don't have time to give this proper consideration, but in terms of a current Premier League Xi, off the top of my head I would definitely include:
De Gea
Hazard
Aguero

Best ever 11:
I can't realistically include players I didnt see play much like Pele, Beckenbauer etc, but definite starters would include:

Schmeichel
Iniesta
Maradona
Brazilian Ronaldo


What about you Denn? Name your side if you have time.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Syferus on March 13, 2017, 03:13:04 PM
Anyone who would put Fat Ronaldo in ahead of Real Ronaldo needs a new pair of glasses.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: The Stallion on March 13, 2017, 05:17:11 PM
He was a vastly superior footballer to the Portuguese Ronaldo. Injuries curtailed his career but at his peak he was an all time great in my opinion. 
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Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on March 13, 2017, 05:39:07 PM
Heard Mark Lawrenson on Today FM on Sat talking about the Barca game. Interviewer asked him did he not think the diving took a bit of the gloss off the victory, "no". You've an big old fashioned 'AVE IT!' centre half turned analyst declaring it's fine to win by diving / cheating.

Lawrenson was anything but that type of defender chap; youd be doin well to name a more cultured centre half partnership than him and Hansen
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: The Stallion on March 13, 2017, 06:08:40 PM
Agreed, Lawrenson was no agricultural centre half.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: JoG2 on March 13, 2017, 06:10:21 PM
Heard Mark Lawrenson on Today FM on Sat talking about the Barca game. Interviewer asked him did he not think the diving took a bit of the gloss off the victory, "no". You've an big old fashioned 'AVE IT!' centre half turned analyst declaring it's fine to win by diving / cheating.

Lawrenson was anything but that type of defender chap; youd be doin well to name a more cultured centre half partnership than him and Hansen

Agreed, what I was more getting at was he wouldn't have entertained a forward cheating him.
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Post by: The Stallion on March 13, 2017, 06:37:04 PM
Do you feel Liverpool's 2005 Champions League win is tainted by Gerrard's pathetic dive to win a penalty JoG2?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on March 13, 2017, 07:13:56 PM
Heard Mark Lawrenson on Today FM on Sat talking about the Barca game. Interviewer asked him did he not think the diving took a bit of the gloss off the victory, "no". You've an big old fashioned 'AVE IT!' centre half turned analyst declaring it's fine to win by diving / cheating.

Lawrenson was anything but that type of defender chap; youd be doin well to name a more cultured centre half partnership than him and Hansen

Agreed, what I was more getting at was he wouldn't have entertained a forward cheating him.

True. Great footballer. As an analyst the jurys still out  ;D
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: The Stallion on March 14, 2017, 12:31:23 PM
Interesting to note some posters are very reluctant to reply to simple questions. Very telling.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: angermanagement on March 14, 2017, 12:48:24 PM
Ramos is a complete liability defensively, and if he wasn't allowed to get away with things the way he does, he'd have at least double the red cards he has accumulated. Massively overrated player.

He's scored more career goals than Iniesta which I find pretty amazing.
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Post by: ashman on March 14, 2017, 01:00:27 PM
Agreed, Lawrenson was no agricultural centre half.

Pound for pound Lawrenson was the best footballer ever to play for ROI .
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: The Stallion on March 14, 2017, 01:48:05 PM
Ramos is a complete liability defensively, and if he wasn't allowed to get away with things the way he does, he'd have at least double the red cards he has accumulated. Massively overrated player.

He's scored more career goals than Iniesta which I find pretty amazing.

Iniesta is one of the greatest players of all time. Ramos is a hallion who can't defend very well and scores some goals.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Syferus on March 14, 2017, 01:59:22 PM
Ramos is a complete liability defensively, and if he wasn't allowed to get away with things the way he does, he'd have at least double the red cards he has accumulated. Massively overrated player.

He's scored more career goals than Iniesta which I find pretty amazing.

Iniesta is one of the greatest players of all time. Ramos is a hallion who can't defend very well and scores some goals.

So Ramos sucks, Real Ronaldo is worse than the guy whose nickname reflects his inability to be bothered enough to stay in shape simply because you have a fanciful notion he had more talent and Barcelona is some sort of ponzi scheme.

Anything else wild you want throw out there for effect?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: The Stallion on March 14, 2017, 03:13:47 PM
" Barcelona is some sort of ponzi scheme"

Not sure why you're attempting my to put words in my mouth here, I haven't suggested or insinuated anything like this.

It's not a fanciful notion by the way, it's my honestly held opinion. Your obsession with Ronaldo's nickname has.no bearing on that opinion. Before injuries curtailed his career he was an outstanding footballer who I would have in my team ahead of his namesake every time.
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Post by: ziggy90 on March 14, 2017, 07:25:37 PM
Agreed, Lawrenson was no agricultural centre half.

Pound for pound Lawrenson was the best footballer ever to play for ROI .
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Got to disagree, for me it's Paul McGrath. And that from  Birmingham fan.
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Post by: SHEEDY on March 14, 2017, 07:33:37 PM
Agreed, Lawrenson was no agricultural centre half.

Pound for pound Lawrenson was the best footballer ever to play for ROI .
seriously?? paul mcgrath, liam brady, roy keane for me are well ahead of lawrenson.
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Post by: Boycey on March 14, 2017, 07:41:56 PM
The Liamer for me too, pity he turned into such a poisonous pundit though..
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Post by: Syferus on March 14, 2017, 08:04:30 PM
The Liamer for me too, pity he turned into such a poisonous pundit though..

Eh? Brady's always been the white bread to encase Gilesy's cranky old man and Dunphy's pub pundit routines. Don't know where fake Pep Guarola fits into the equation. Way more entertaining that the stuff the UK stations pass off as analysis anyways.
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Post by: The Stallion on March 14, 2017, 08:12:05 PM
Always amazes me that Duff's name never comes up in these debates. He's easily the best creative player Ireland have had over the last 20 years, and was one of the outstanding players in World Cup 2002, including the best player on the pitch against Spain.
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Post by: imtommygunn on March 14, 2017, 08:22:10 PM
I would say he was top ten in world in 2002. Did he get on team of the tournament?
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Post by: Captain Obvious on March 14, 2017, 08:32:57 PM
Leicester city on the verge of reaching the last eight of the champions league!
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: dec on March 14, 2017, 08:33:09 PM
I would say he was top ten in world in 2002. Did he get on team of the tournament?

No but he made the UEFA team of the year in 2002  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Team_of_the_Year#Team_of_the_Year_2002
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Post by: Cunny Funt on March 14, 2017, 09:16:52 PM
Nasri is some idiot.
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Post by: J70 on March 14, 2017, 09:18:17 PM
Nasri is some idiot.

Vardy is worse. That was disgraceful.
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Post by: AZOffaly on March 14, 2017, 09:19:39 PM
Nasri is some idiot.

Vardy is some shite bag too though.  He knew what he was doing. I never bought the romantic story with him. He's a sack.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: dec on March 14, 2017, 09:39:44 PM
March 14th 2015

http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2014-2015/table/2015-03-14

20   Leicester City   28   4   7   17   24   44      2   5   6   13   17      2   2   11   11   27      -20   19

19 points from 28 games, bottom of the Premier division
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 14, 2017, 10:01:11 PM
Anyone who would put Fat Ronaldo in ahead of Real Ronaldo needs a new pair of glasses.

Without doubt the most brainless comment ever on this forum.

The real Ronaldo was the Brazilian Ronaldo and he was the greatest footballer the world has ever seen.

After his knees went at Inter, he was probably 60-70% of the player he was before that and still the best in the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S84vy_Zz2O0


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Post by: StGallsGAA on March 14, 2017, 10:19:37 PM
Anyone who would put Fat Ronaldo in ahead of Real Ronaldo needs a new pair of glasses.

Without doubt the most brainless comment ever on this forum.

The real Ronaldo was the Brazilian Ronaldo and he was the greatest footballer the world has ever seen.

After his knees went at Inter, he was probably 60-70% of the player he was before that and still the best in the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S84vy_Zz2O0

Steady on.  You could argue he was the best in the world at that time but there were better before him and certainly better since. He wasn't even the best Brazilian ever ffs.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: The Stallion on March 14, 2017, 10:31:56 PM
Brazilian Ronaldo is one of the greatest players ever, and far far better than his Portuguese namesake. I have never seen a better Brazilian footballer.

Another who doesn't get the credit he deserves is Ronaldinho. He is too often dismissed as a show pony, but at his peak he was arguably the best player in the world, and some of the football he played is up there with any player ever. Another who was finished at quite a young age, but that shouldn't detract from his brilliance.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 14, 2017, 10:37:19 PM
Anyone who would put Fat Ronaldo in ahead of Real Ronaldo needs a new pair of glasses.

Without doubt the most brainless comment ever on this forum.

The real Ronaldo was the Brazilian Ronaldo and he was the greatest footballer the world has ever seen.

After his knees went at Inter, he was probably 60-70% of the player he was before that and still the best in the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S84vy_Zz2O0

Steady on.  You could argue he was the best in the world at that time but there were better before him and certainly better since. He wasn't even the best Brazilian ever ffs.

There certainly has not been anyone even near in his ballpark since. Maybe some people are too young or too ignorant to appreciate Ronaldo but I've never seen an era in football when one player was just so far ahead of everyone else and that era was the mid 90s with Ronaldo - it was a good generation of footballers too.

The only player that I've seen that was on his level was Maradona. Everyone else before and after was under it, he was a phenomenon, the only way to stop him was to kick him.

One particular performance that sticks out with me was the 98 UEFA Cup final with Lazio. Nesta was the best defender in the world at that time, he got ripped apart. Nesta was a very clean defender too, positionally perfect, precise tackler, pace - he just resorted to kicking Ronaldo that night, it's all he could do with him. A few years ago in his mid 30s and struggling with injuries, Nesta put Messi in his back pocket in a Champions League match.



Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: The Stallion on March 14, 2017, 10:50:43 PM
I'd have Maradona ahead of Ronaldo but it's absurd to suggest the Portuguese Ronaldo is anywhere near their level.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on March 14, 2017, 11:30:39 PM
Zidane was the best imo.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 14, 2017, 11:32:58 PM
I'd have Maradona ahead of Ronaldo but it's absurd to suggest the Portuguese Ronaldo is anywhere near their level.

Nobody has came close to leaving an imprint on a major international tournament like Ronaldo did in France 98 and Japan/Korea 02 (to a lesser extent) since.

That's the pinnacle for me. Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo have struggled to impact major international tournaments like greats such as Maradona, Baggio and Ronaldo have
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 14, 2017, 11:37:43 PM
Zidane was the best imo.

Zidance was a flitting genius, he was capable of genius at any moment in time but for long parts of the game was completely dormant.

He was not constant like Ronaldo, where it was a case of get the ball to him at every opportunity when he was at his peak.

It's funny the way the narrative of tournaments can be rewritten. Zidane misses the majority of the tournament after getting sent off in the group stages and heroics by Thuram get France to a World Cup final. Zidane scores a couple of headers from two corners in the final and it's suddenly his tournament.

While a great player who had huge moments in his career, Zidane was always one of those style over substance players for me.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Syferus on March 15, 2017, 02:59:55 AM
Nasri is some idiot.

Vardy is some shite bag too though.  He knew what he was doing. I never bought the romantic story with him. He's a sack.

Chat Shít Get Banged is a mantra more than a few GAABoard members live by, though..
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on March 15, 2017, 07:16:10 AM
Zidane was the best imo.

Zidance was a flitting genius, he was capable of genius at any moment in time but for long parts of the game was completely dormant.

He was not constant like Ronaldo, where it was a case of get the ball to him at every opportunity when he was at his peak.

It's funny the way the narrative of tournaments can be rewritten. Zidane misses the majority of the tournament after getting sent off in the group stages and heroics by Thuram get France to a World Cup final. Zidane scores a couple of headers from two corners in the final and it's suddenly his tournament.

While a great player who had huge moments in his career, Zidane was always one of those style over substance players for me.

I disagree.
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Post by: Mike Tyson on March 15, 2017, 08:22:09 AM
I'd have Maradona ahead of Ronaldo but it's absurd to suggest the Portuguese Ronaldo is anywhere near their level.

Nobody has came close to leaving an imprint on a major international tournament like Ronaldo did in France 98 and Japan/Korea 02 (to a lesser extent) since.

That's the pinnacle for me. Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo have struggled to impact major international tournaments like greats such as Maradona, Baggio and Ronaldo have

Zidane 2006
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Post by: laoislad on March 15, 2017, 09:12:57 AM
I'd have Maradona ahead of Ronaldo but it's absurd to suggest the Portuguese Ronaldo is anywhere near their level.

Nobody has came close to leaving an imprint on a major international tournament like Ronaldo did in France 98 and Japan/Korea 02 (to a lesser extent) since.

That's the pinnacle for me. Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo have struggled to impact major international tournaments like greats such as Maradona, Baggio and Ronaldo have

Zidane 2006
Gary Green 2002
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Post by: The Stallion on March 15, 2017, 10:24:06 AM
Just to point out, Zidane was booked in each of France's opening 2006 group games as they failed to beat Switzerland and South Korea. They only got out of the group stages by beating Togo in a game Zidane was suspended for.

He wasn't awarded man of the match in any game at that World Cup, and while he was decent in a couple of games, he was nowhere near as good as Ronaldo in 1998 or 2002.

This is not to denigrate Zidane's career, i think he was a wonderful footballer, but not on the same level as Ronaldo.
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Post by: seafoid on March 15, 2017, 10:26:48 AM
Zidane is also a great manager

Ronald McDonald is the best of the Ronaldos
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Post by: The Stallion on March 15, 2017, 10:33:20 AM
Stop clowning around
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Post by: Denn Forever on March 15, 2017, 10:55:41 AM
Juventus don't want to meet Leicester in the ECL according to Buffon.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39274973
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Post by: Mike Tyson on March 15, 2017, 11:11:18 AM
Just to point out, Zidane was booked in each of France's opening 2006 group games as they failed to beat Switzerland and South Korea. They only got out of the group stages by beating Togo in a game Zidane was suspended for.

He wasn't awarded man of the match in any game at that World Cup, and while he was decent in a couple of games, he was nowhere near as good as Ronaldo in 1998 or 2002.

This is not to denigrate Zidane's career, i think he was a wonderful footballer, but not on the same level as Ronaldo.

He was in the quarter final against Brazil and also won player of the tournament. The rest of the players must have been pure muck if he won it having only been decent in a few games.
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Post by: The Stallion on March 15, 2017, 11:21:06 AM
Apologies, you're quite right, he did get man of the match in one game. Overall he had a decent enough World Cup but he certainly wasn't outstanding by any means. He was well past his best by the time of that World Cup.
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Post by: The Stallion on March 15, 2017, 11:22:17 AM
France weren't great at that World Cup.
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Post by: Rossie11 on March 15, 2017, 01:47:27 PM
I'd have Maradona ahead of Ronaldo but it's absurd to suggest the Portuguese Ronaldo is anywhere near their level.

Nobody has came close to leaving an imprint on a major international tournament like Ronaldo did in France 98 and Japan/Korea 02 (to a lesser extent) since.

That's the pinnacle for me. Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo have struggled to impact major international tournaments like greats such as Maradona, Baggio and Ronaldo have

Djimi Traore has more champs league/european cup medals than those 3 put together... legend
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Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 15, 2017, 07:01:31 PM
Just to point out, Zidane was booked in each of France's opening 2006 group games as they failed to beat Switzerland and South Korea. They only got out of the group stages by beating Togo in a game Zidane was suspended for.

He wasn't awarded man of the match in any game at that World Cup, and while he was decent in a couple of games, he was nowhere near as good as Ronaldo in 1998 or 2002.

This is not to denigrate Zidane's career, i think he was a wonderful footballer, but not on the same level as Ronaldo.



He was in the quarter final against Brazil and also won player of the tournament. The rest of the players must have been pure muck if he won it having only been decent in a few games.

Once again it's the subjective narrative that follows sport. If you're citing player of the tournament awards as a barometer forget it, anyone who knows anything about football knows Cannavaro was the best player at the 2006 World Cup, by a landslide distance. Zidane much like France 98 had a pretty mediocre tournament with the odd flash of magic. The best tournament Zidane ever played (by some distance) was Euro 2000 where he was consistently good and decisive for France, even then I would say it was upstaged by Totti at that tournament.

Look at Messi winning the best player at the last World Cup, he was anonymous in the knockout stage. Argentina scored 2 goals in 450 minutes of knockout football, Messi contributed an assist in it and was somehow deemed the best player at the tournament? Ridiculous. You had James Rodriguez who was consistently super for Colombia overlooked, the referee allowed Brazil to kick him off the pitch in that game.

Player of the tournaments are very often political choices.

Ronaldo much like Maradona and to a lesser extent Baggio has the performances to stand up to the scrutiny when it comes to major tournaments.

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Post by: The Stallion on March 15, 2017, 07:41:42 PM
I would disagree regarding Messi. He has been very good at both of the laat World Cups albeit not scoring goals for fun.

Agree on 2000 being Zidane's best tournament though.
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Post by: seafoid on March 15, 2017, 08:29:42 PM
Defences are much tighter these days.
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Post by: Cunny Funt on March 15, 2017, 08:33:09 PM
Defences are much tighter these days.
Not many tight defences on show in the Barcelona v PSG and Monaco v Man City games.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 15, 2017, 08:42:51 PM
I would disagree regarding Messi. He has been very good at both of the laat World Cups albeit not scoring goals for fun.

Agree on 2000 being Zidane's best tournament though.

He hasn't been good at World Cups, he's been very disappointing, particularly for a guy who is meant to be the best in the world.

It was the likes of Mascherano and Di Maria who were leading the charge for Argentina in 2014. Messi looks a completely different player outside the Barcelona, possession obsessed give and go football. I don't think he's half the player when the side isn't built around him, I'd be very interested to see how he would get should he ever leave his comfort zone.
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Post by: BarryBreensBandage on March 15, 2017, 08:46:05 PM
Just to point out, Zidane was booked in each of France's opening 2006 group games as they failed to beat Switzerland and South Korea. They only got out of the group stages by beating Togo in a game Zidane was suspended for.

He wasn't awarded man of the match in any game at that World Cup, and while he was decent in a couple of games, he was nowhere near as good as Ronaldo in 1998 or 2002.

This is not to denigrate Zidane's career, i think he was a wonderful footballer, but not on the same level as Ronaldo.




He was in the quarter final against Brazil and also won player of the tournament. The rest of the players must have been pure muck if he won it having only been decent in a few games.

Once again it's the subjective narrative that follows sport. If you're citing player of the tournament awards as a barometer forget it, anyone who knows anything about football knows Cannavaro was the best player at the 2006 World Cup, by a landslide distance. Zidane much like France 98 had a pretty mediocre tournament with the odd flash of magic. The best tournament Zidane ever played (by some distance) was Euro 2000 where he was consistently good and decisive for France, even then I would say it was upstaged by Totti at that tournament.

Look at Messi winning the best player at the last World Cup, he was anonymous in the knockout stage. Argentina scored 2 goals in 450 minutes of knockout football, Messi contributed an assist in it and was somehow deemed the best player at the tournament? Ridiculous. You had James Rodriguez who was consistently super for Colombia overlooked, the referee allowed Brazil to kick him off the pitch in that game.

Player of the tournaments are very often political choices.

Ronaldo much like Maradona and to a lesser extent Baggio has the performances to stand up to the scrutiny when it comes to major tournaments.

Whose scrutiny? I think that the best player I have seen in action is Zidane. Is that ok?
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Post by: The Stallion on March 15, 2017, 08:50:05 PM
It is ok.
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Post by: imtommygunn on March 15, 2017, 09:36:53 PM
There is no real heart in that man city team. So much money and really not that much effort.
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Post by: AZOffaly on March 15, 2017, 09:38:39 PM
There is no real heart in that man city team. So much money and really not that much effort.

Was just about to say the same thing. They had a bit of a go after half time, and Monaco were cat. Then as soon as they scored, they took the foot off the gas, and when Monaco scored again, they capitulated with 20 minutes left. That Sané lad seems a bit of a jennet.
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Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 15, 2017, 09:38:59 PM
Just to point out, Zidane was booked in each of France's opening 2006 group games as they failed to beat Switzerland and South Korea. They only got out of the group stages by beating Togo in a game Zidane was suspended for.

He wasn't awarded man of the match in any game at that World Cup, and while he was decent in a couple of games, he was nowhere near as good as Ronaldo in 1998 or 2002.

This is not to denigrate Zidane's career, i think he was a wonderful footballer, but not on the same level as Ronaldo.




He was in the quarter final against Brazil and also won player of the tournament. The rest of the players must have been pure muck if he won it having only been decent in a few games.

Once again it's the subjective narrative that follows sport. If you're citing player of the tournament awards as a barometer forget it, anyone who knows anything about football knows Cannavaro was the best player at the 2006 World Cup, by a landslide distance. Zidane much like France 98 had a pretty mediocre tournament with the odd flash of magic. The best tournament Zidane ever played (by some distance) was Euro 2000 where he was consistently good and decisive for France, even then I would say it was upstaged by Totti at that tournament.

Look at Messi winning the best player at the last World Cup, he was anonymous in the knockout stage. Argentina scored 2 goals in 450 minutes of knockout football, Messi contributed an assist in it and was somehow deemed the best player at the tournament? Ridiculous. You had James Rodriguez who was consistently super for Colombia overlooked, the referee allowed Brazil to kick him off the pitch in that game.

Player of the tournaments are very often political choices.

Ronaldo much like Maradona and to a lesser extent Baggio has the performances to stand up to the scrutiny when it comes to major tournaments.

Whose scrutiny? I think that the best player I have seen in action is Zidane. Is that ok?

Proper analysis.
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Post by: Captain Obvious on March 15, 2017, 09:39:37 PM
Monaco have a healthy habit for knocking English sides out of the champions league.
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Post by: Boycey on March 15, 2017, 09:43:27 PM
You would have got wild long odds on Leicester being the last English team standing in the Champions League..

Maybe the fawning press will now get on Peps case too??
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Post by: Cunny Funt on March 15, 2017, 09:53:55 PM
Main question to ask after that Man City defeat... Is Pep Guardiola a busted flush as a manager  ;)
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Post by: AZOffaly on March 15, 2017, 09:55:34 PM
Stallion will start being a Man City fan.
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Post by: The Stallion on March 15, 2017, 10:01:59 PM
No I won't.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: StGallsGAA on March 16, 2017, 12:03:45 AM
Man City are the football equivalent of Dublin GAA.  Success founded simply on having the most money.  Good for everyone else to see them gone.
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Post by: seafoid on March 16, 2017, 12:04:24 AM
Man City are the football equivalent of Dublin GAA.  Success founded simply on having the most money.  Good for everyone else to see them gone.
And what are Real Madrid ?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on March 16, 2017, 07:29:50 AM
Just to point out, Zidane was booked in each of France's opening 2006 group games as they failed to beat Switzerland and South Korea. They only got out of the group stages by beating Togo in a game Zidane was suspended for.

He wasn't awarded man of the match in any game at that World Cup, and while he was decent in a couple of games, he was nowhere near as good as Ronaldo in 1998 or 2002.

This is not to denigrate Zidane's career, i think he was a wonderful footballer, but not on the same level as Ronaldo.




He was in the quarter final against Brazil and also won player of the tournament. The rest of the players must have been pure muck if he won it having only been decent in a few games.

Once again it's the subjective narrative that follows sport. If you're citing player of the tournament awards as a barometer forget it, anyone who knows anything about football knows Cannavaro was the best player at the 2006 World Cup, by a landslide distance. Zidane much like France 98 had a pretty mediocre tournament with the odd flash of magic. The best tournament Zidane ever played (by some distance) was Euro 2000 where he was consistently good and decisive for France, even then I would say it was upstaged by Totti at that tournament.

Look at Messi winning the best player at the last World Cup, he was anonymous in the knockout stage. Argentina scored 2 goals in 450 minutes of knockout football, Messi contributed an assist in it and was somehow deemed the best player at the tournament? Ridiculous. You had James Rodriguez who was consistently super for Colombia overlooked, the referee allowed Brazil to kick him off the pitch in that game.

Player of the tournaments are very often political choices.

Ronaldo much like Maradona and to a lesser extent Baggio has the performances to stand up to the scrutiny when it comes to major tournaments.

Whose scrutiny? I think that the best player I have seen in action is Zidane. Is that ok?

Proper analysis.

Yeah, in your world. Stating something strongly does not make it fact or proper analysis.
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Post by: seafoid on March 16, 2017, 08:09:18 AM
Will Atletico ever win the Champions League?
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Post by: shark on March 16, 2017, 09:32:54 AM
Will Atletico ever win the Champions League?

This year may be this current crops last chance. Only so long they can go with losing their best players. And they are no longer operating at the level of 1-3 years ago. Mainly from a defensive aspect where they are actually conceding a 'normal' amount of goals. Last season they only conceded 18 league goals.
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Post by: Maroon Manc on March 16, 2017, 01:22:48 PM
Monaco better team over 2 legs and it would have been a more comfortable win apart from a crazy ten minutes in the first leg where they conceded 3 goals. Then there was the massive error from the Monaco keeper and Falcao's missed pen.

People forget Pep spent £170m last summer to add to a team that had the so called best squad in the league. He'll spend at least that again this summer.

Monaco are very impressive going forward but they can only play one way, once they retreated in the 2nd half they were picked off very easily. If they could keep that bunch of players together they'd be a better team next season but that won't happen. United have been linked with both central midfielders for a while, Fabinho certainly had the better game last night. The left back was brilliant too.
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Post by: BarryBreensBandage on March 16, 2017, 10:59:43 PM
It is ok.
Thank (the hand of) God for that.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: seafoid on March 17, 2017, 04:33:10 PM
The big guns are playing each other

Real vs Bayern
Juve v Barca

Leicester v Atletico
Dortmund v Monaco
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 18, 2017, 11:25:33 AM
Man City are the football equivalent of Dublin GAA.  Success founded simply on having the most money.  Good for everyone else to see them gone.
Except they haven't retained anything.
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Post by: seafoid on April 13, 2017, 08:33:25 AM


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/04/12/nuri-sahins-emotional-powerful-post-match-interview-puts-uefa/
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Post by: Cunny Funt on April 18, 2017, 10:09:04 PM
Some awful officiating in this Real Madrid Bayern Munich game tonight. Madrid extremely luck not to be down to 10 men then moments later Vidal gets sent off for what looked like a good tackle. Second Madrid goal was clearly offside and question marks over their 3rd goal also.
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Post by: Main Street on April 18, 2017, 10:24:10 PM
It was an excellent game until the  tissue of erroneous refereeing decisions tipped the scale towards Madrid.
The game was also notable  for an actual legit penalty won by Robben.


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Post by: clarshack on April 18, 2017, 10:30:09 PM
Thought Bayern were well shafted tonight. The Vidal sending off was ridiculous.
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Post by: ONeill on April 18, 2017, 10:40:37 PM
Ronaldo will be rightly pissed off that the young lad didn't pass to him for the 4th goal.
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Post by: Captain Obvious on April 18, 2017, 10:46:13 PM
He will be however what more can be said about Cristiano Ronaldo? the first player to score 100 Champions league goals. His 41st hat trick for Real Madrid tonight. Six goals Real Madrid scored over two games against Bayern Munich where five scored by Ronaldo and before this tie was played Eamon Dunphy said Ronaldo was finished.
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Post by: ONeill on April 18, 2017, 10:51:21 PM
He's some pup alright. He's still behind Messi, Van Nistlerooy, Di Stefano, Eusebio, Puskas, Muller and Papin in terms of goals per game in that competition but deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as most of them.
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Post by: StGallsGAA on April 18, 2017, 10:52:36 PM
Thought Bayern were well shafted tonight. The Vidal sending off was ridiculous.

Bayern must feel aggrieved.    Until video refs are brought into the ECL, undeserving results by poor ref decisions  like Liverpool in 05 will continue to blight the record.
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Post by: brokencrossbar1 on April 18, 2017, 11:21:40 PM
Thought Bayern were well shafted tonight. The Vidal sending off was ridiculous.

Bayern must feel aggrieved.    Until video refs are brought into the ECL, undeserving results by poor ref decisions  like Liverpool in 05 will continue to blight the record.

1,2,3,4,5😂
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Post by: ashman on April 18, 2017, 11:24:25 PM
Ronaldo will be rightly pissed off that the young lad didn't pass to him for the 4th goal.

Feel the seethe . 
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 18, 2017, 11:31:46 PM
Why anyone would think Ronaldo isn't a great footballer is beyond me.... his record alone on goal scoring is outstanding plus whatever else he brings to the table is huge...

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Post by: Syferus on April 19, 2017, 01:33:51 AM
Why anyone would think Ronaldo isn't a great footballer is beyond me.... his record alone on goal scoring is outstanding plus whatever else he brings to the table is huge...

Ronaldo is so fit and strong I can see him aging like Ibrah has. Messi is obviously fit too but he doesn't have the sheer power to make up for losing the yard of pace like Ronaldo does. If he wants it he can be a 20+ goal a season player in the top leagues into his mid to late 30s.

If Messi was to fade away and Ronaldo pulls a Ibrah the GoAT debate between him and Messi swings Ronaldo's way imho.
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Post by: gallsman on April 19, 2017, 07:08:34 AM
The older Messi gets, he just moves more into an Iniesta role. His vision and passing is never mentioned as much as his control and goal scoring but it's absolutely exceptional. He's plenty strong enough with low centre of gravity to play that role too.

The sending off of Vidal was ludicrous, particularly in context of the ref's apparent refusal to send Casemiro off. Cracking game though.
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Post by: The Stallion on April 19, 2017, 07:11:01 AM
Ronaldo isn't even in the mix for the title of greatest of all time in my opinion. Messi is a vastly superior player.
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Post by: under the bar on April 19, 2017, 09:26:28 AM
Ronaldo isn't even in the mix for the title of greatest of all time in my opinion. Messi is a vastly superior player.

He's not in terms of ECL wins or international achievements.  With Argentina Messi has been nothing short of a flop so cannot be afforded the same status as Maradona or Pele.  Time is running out for him.  Ronaldo on the other hand captained Portugal to the Euros.
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Post by: The Stallion on April 19, 2017, 09:37:01 AM
Portugal's best performance in the Euros was the final which Ronaldo contributed nothing to apart from crying for himself. One could argue he was holding Portugal back with his selfish and lazy displays.

Messi was arguably Argentina's best player in taking them to the World Cup final. Not sure why Ronaldo is given credit for a trophy where he did nothing in the most important game while Messi is not given credit for getting to the final of a bigger tournament.

Regardless of the obvious flaws in your argument, trophies won has no bearing when judging how good a player was. Phil Neville has a cabinet full of medals yet was a shite player. 
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Post by: The Stallion on April 19, 2017, 09:45:31 AM
"With Argentina Messi has been nothing short of a flop "


Lol at this by the way. One of the most idiotic things I've read on here in a while which is saying something.

Averaging about a goal every other game, playing well in getting a limited side to a World Cup final, U-20 World Cup winner, Olympic gold medallist, named best player of the tournament at a World Cup and Copa America, most assists and man of the match awards in Copa America history etc etc.

Flop though apparently lol.
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Post by: Taylor on April 19, 2017, 09:54:24 AM
Messi is an absolute genius - no other player can control a game the way he can. Even when double & triple marked he can do the business.

Ronaldo on the other hand has moments of genius but goes missing in many many games. Put a man marker on Ronaldo and he becomes annonymous ala Cashley Cole.
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Post by: gallsman on April 19, 2017, 10:29:52 AM
Ronaldo shows up but can definitely go missing, and tends to lose the head when he does. He was anonymous last night until extra time and Madrid had the extra man. Of course, it could be argued that that was when they needed him most.

He was similarly awful in the two Champions League finals against Atléti.
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Post by: Syferus on April 19, 2017, 10:54:28 AM
Messi is an absolute genius - no other player can control a game the way he can. Even when double & triple marked he can do the business.

Ronaldo on the other hand has moments of genius but goes missing in many many games. Put a man marker on Ronaldo and he becomes annonymous ala Cashley Cole.

Messi has faded significantly the last 12 months. Neymar was the one who drove the miracle against PSG it should be remembered. In fact if you were taking a player for the future rather than for simply the now from Barca it'd probably be him and not Messi.
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Post by: gallsman on April 19, 2017, 12:05:46 PM
Messi is an absolute genius - no other player can control a game the way he can. Even when double & triple marked he can do the business.

Ronaldo on the other hand has moments of genius but goes missing in many many games. Put a man marker on Ronaldo and he becomes annonymous ala Cashley Cole.

Messi has faded significantly the last 12 months. Neymar was the one who drove the miracle against PSG it should be remembered. In fact if you were taking a player for the future rather than for simply the now from Barca it'd probably be him and not Messi.

Faded significantly? He's comfortably the leading scorer in both la liga and the Champions league. As usual, you're talking absolute garbage.
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Post by: Applesisapples on April 19, 2017, 12:25:01 PM
Messi is an absolute genius - no other player can control a game the way he can. Even when double & triple marked he can do the business.

Ronaldo on the other hand has moments of genius but goes missing in many many games. Put a man marker on Ronaldo and he becomes annonymous ala Cashley Cole.

Messi has faded significantly the last 12 months. Neymar was the one who drove the miracle against PSG it should be remembered. In fact if you were taking a player for the future rather than for simply the now from Barca it'd probably be him and not Messi.
Bullshit he has carried Barca in La Liga with Neymar only showing periodically what he can do. It was Messi who took the fight to Juve only for Suarez to miss.
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Post by: Syferus on April 19, 2017, 05:58:02 PM
Messi is an absolute genius - no other player can control a game the way he can. Even when double & triple marked he can do the business.

Ronaldo on the other hand has moments of genius but goes missing in many many games. Put a man marker on Ronaldo and he becomes annonymous ala Cashley Cole.

Messi has faded significantly the last 12 months. Neymar was the one who drove the miracle against PSG it should be remembered. In fact if you were taking a player for the future rather than for simply the now from Barca it'd probably be him and not Messi.

Faded significantly? He's comfortably the leading scorer in both la liga and the Champions league. As usual, you're talking absolute garbage.

As usual, you try to warp the facts to suit the opinion you want to state. To make it clear how marginal what you've said is, according to WhoScored.com Messi has 47 goals for the season in all competitions while Ronaldo has 43. Strange stat to try to make your stand on, to say the least.

Real sit three points clear at the top of La Liga with a game in hand, chasing a double and with a chance to become the only team to defend the European Cup in the CL era. Barca are likely to be eliminated from that competition tonight, in case you've missed it. Ronaldo was also was a huge part of Portugal's first major tournament win last summer.

Both have faded somewhat in recent years but it's Ronaldo who's got it done on the big stage the last 12 months. People remember hat tricks with it all on the line against Bayern Munich - less so against Pep's Man City swiss cheese defense on a rainy day in October.
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Post by: seafoid on April 19, 2017, 09:15:11 PM
Barca are looking like Roscommon at the moment.
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Post by: Syferus on April 19, 2017, 09:30:14 PM
Barca are looking like Roscommon at the moment.

They looked like Roscommon when they were scoring and conceding a lot. They look like Ulsterball Galway atm.
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Post by: seafoid on April 19, 2017, 09:40:47 PM
Barca are looking like Roscommon at the moment.

They looked like Roscommon when they were scoring and conceding a lot. They look like Ulsterball Galway atm.
Superstars not performing reminded me of Ros
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Post by: seafoid on April 19, 2017, 09:43:56 PM
So the Barse are out. Manager will probably go too. Maybe McGeeney could give it a lash.
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Post by: Syferus on April 19, 2017, 09:48:58 PM
So the Barse are out. Manager will probably go too. Maybe McGeeney could give it a lash.

Enrique said he's stepping down at the end of the season weeks ago.
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Post by: ONeill on April 19, 2017, 09:54:15 PM
Not a pile of difference between Arsenal and Barcelona. Arsenal just get hammered in both legs.
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Post by: Syferus on April 19, 2017, 09:58:04 PM
Not a pile of difference between Arsenal and Barcelona. Arsenal just get hammered in both legs.

I'd love to see Arsene managing Barca. Match made in heaven.
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Post by: ONeill on April 19, 2017, 10:02:19 PM
Not a pile of difference between Arsenal and Barcelona. Arsenal just get hammered in both legs.

I'd love to see Arsene managing Barca. Match made in heaven.

He'd create an even bigger defensive mess. Barca need a defensive guru right now.
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Post by: Syferus on April 19, 2017, 10:07:08 PM
Not a pile of difference between Arsenal and Barcelona. Arsenal just get hammered in both legs.

I'd love to see Arsene managing Barca. Match made in heaven.

He'd create an even bigger defensive mess. Barca need a defensive guru right now.

Just buy in the Spainish version of Doni Buckleyon to coach the defence. It's not like any top level manager has the time to micro-manage every piece of a team anyways.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 19, 2017, 10:28:44 PM
Disappointed by the lack of drama in the Champions league tonight. It's now looks like that Barcelona incredible comeback win was more to do with almighty collapse by PSG than the Barcelona of old returning.

Real Madrid the favourites of final four however most neutrals will be hoping anyone but them win this years Champions league. I don't care myself who wins it so long as the semi finals and final are enjoyable games to watch.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: SHEEDY on April 19, 2017, 11:30:31 PM
Juventus havent conceded a goal in open play in this seasons champions league. 10 games so far. Unbelievable stat. They would be my favourites to win it. Only trophy buffon hasnt won.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 19, 2017, 11:39:28 PM
Juventus havent conceded a goal in open play in this seasons champions league. 10 games so far. Unbelievable stat. They would be my favourites to win it. Only trophy buffon hasnt won.
Would love to see then win it. There was no way Barca were gonna bang in 3+ tonight no matter how much effort BT Sports spent trying to hype it up.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Applesisapples on April 20, 2017, 05:04:27 PM
All this talk of Messi fading is bullshit. I watch Barca week in week out and at times he and Pique have carried the team. Barca need a right back, probably 2, the need decent cover for Alba on the other side. They need cover for Busquets and help for Messi as he assumes the Xavi role. Unfortunately the buys of last summer are not working, Roberto is wasted covering right back. I'd not be surprised to see two of Thiago, Bellerin and Coutinho if not all thee join in the summer.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Syferus on April 20, 2017, 05:13:44 PM
All this talk of Messi fading is bullshit. I watch Barca week in week out and at times he and Pique have carried the team. Barca need a right back, probably 2, the need decent cover for Alba on the other side. They need cover for Busquets and help for Messi as he assumes the Xavi role. Unfortunately the buys of last summer are not working, Roberto is wasted covering right back. I'd not be surprised to see two of Thiago, Bellerin and Coutinho if not all thee join in the summer.

Going to a hell of a lot easier for Ronaldo to win the Balon D'Or if Messi starts playing as a CM..
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2017, 08:33:30 PM
Anderlecht looking dangerous goal here or two for them if they take their chances
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Main Street on April 20, 2017, 10:54:51 PM
3/4 EL ties went into extra time. That was some game in Turkey, Besiktas v Lyon, with the jelly and ice cream provided by the penalty shoot out.
More drama at Schalke where Ajax  down to 10, went behind in ET and scored 2 to nail the tie.
I'd like to see that final, Ajax v Lyon, I hope they're kept apart in sf draw. 
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Boycey on April 21, 2017, 11:44:15 AM
Great, Real vs Atletico in the semi finals. Two games of spiteful, petty horribleness instead of one :o
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: SHEEDY on April 21, 2017, 12:22:45 PM
Champions League semi-finals draw

Real Madrid v Atletico Madrid

Monaco v Juventus

The matches will be played on 2 & 3 May and 9 & 10 May.


Europa League semi-finals draw

Ajax v Lyon

Celta Vigo v Manchester United
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Billys Boots on April 21, 2017, 12:24:10 PM
Great, Real vs Atletico in the semi finals. Two games of spiteful, petty horribleness instead of one :o

Looking forward to it already!  ;D
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: SHEEDY on April 21, 2017, 12:25:56 PM
i'd go for real madrid v juventus and lyon v man utd in the finals
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Syferus on April 21, 2017, 12:49:06 PM
The CL really gets interesting from the QFs forward. So much arsing about to get to the good stuff, though.

Might watch the EL final this year too, watching Liverpool face-plant last year was good craic. Since they added the CL spot to that game it's become much more meaningful.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Main Street on April 21, 2017, 01:14:00 PM
In the EL 1/4 finals, 3 of the teams (lower ranked) drawn at home first, won through.
I think Man U got the easier draw against Celta V but that doesn't mean that much, mid table La Liga is probably a better outfit than mid table EPL, despite the economic disparity and Celta V can focus mainly on this competition.

I was happy enough with Ajax beating Schalke, for my taste the Dutch can never rub the Germans' noses into it enough,  however Ajax's goalie performs like that last kid picked from the line for a game after school, usually the fat kid that got bunged into goals,
http://www.espnfc.us/report?gameId=476522 (http://www.espnfc.us/report?gameId=476522)
slow, late and butterfingered, perhaps I'm too cruel on him?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Syferus on April 21, 2017, 04:11:28 PM
In the EL 1/4 finals, 3 of the teams (lower ranked) drawn at home first, won through.
I think Man U got the easier draw against Celta V but that doesn't mean that much, mid table La Liga is probably a better outfit than mid table EPL, despite the economic disparity and Celta V can focus mainly on this competition.

I was happy enough with Ajax beating Schalke, for my taste the Dutch can never rub the Germans' noses into it enough,  however Ajax's goalie performs like that last kid picked from the line for a game after school, usually the fat kid that got bunged into goals,
http://www.espnfc.us/report?gameId=476522 (http://www.espnfc.us/report?gameId=476522)
slow, late and butterfingered, perhaps I'm too cruel on him?

Eh? There's an awful amount of dross in La Liga after the big three and maybe Sevilla (beaten by Leicester..). And they don't have the money mid-table premier league teams do either.. Mour is clearly fixated on the EL too given his starting line-up for the Chelsea game so that's not even an advantage for the Spanish club.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Main Street on April 21, 2017, 06:48:23 PM
In the EL 1/4 finals, 3 of the teams (lower ranked) drawn at home first, won through.
I think Man U got the easier draw against Celta V but that doesn't mean that much, mid table La Liga is probably a better outfit than mid table EPL, despite the economic disparity and Celta V can focus mainly on this competition.

I was happy enough with Ajax beating Schalke, for my taste the Dutch can never rub the Germans' noses into it enough,  however Ajax's goalie performs like that last kid picked from the line for a game after school, usually the fat kid that got bunged into goals,
http://www.espnfc.us/report?gameId=476522 (http://www.espnfc.us/report?gameId=476522)
slow, late and butterfingered, perhaps I'm too cruel on him?

Eh? There's an awful amount of dross in La Liga after the big three and maybe Sevilla (beaten by Leicester..).
And they don't have the money mid-table premier league teams do either.. Mour is clearly fixated on the EL too given his starting line-up for the Chelsea game so that's not even an advantage for the Spanish club.
Drawing linear form lines like that are very unreliable indicators.
Celta finished well ahead of a mid table Sevilla last season. In the EL last season, Sevilla struggled to get by Bilbao,  Sevilla then outplayed Liverpool in the final, a team who had dispatched Man U in the QF. Mid table Spanish team ruled the EL in the final stages,  EPL super rich clubs came a cropper.  All those results do not prove or disprove anything.
However La Liga teams that last the pace in the EL usually do very well,  an average La Liga team like Celta will give Man U a good competitive game.
In europe this season, Man U have struggled to beat a modest team like Anderlecht from an average league outside the top 10. Celta have already knocked out a top seeded team in Shaktar.


Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 23, 2017, 07:43:07 PM
El Clasico time hopefully its a good watch.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: seafoid on April 23, 2017, 08:07:12 PM
Looks like Macron v Le Pen in the French Cup
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: ONeill on April 23, 2017, 09:26:13 PM
They're cutting lumps outta Messi
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 23, 2017, 09:39:51 PM
Another good El Clasico game with some good goals,good saves and sitters missed. Ramos can have no complaints on that sending off a very poor tackle. Messi not slowing up yet and his late winner could be a turning point in the La Liga title race.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Syferus on April 23, 2017, 09:41:26 PM
Still one of the best in the world. Incredible finish by Messi. What an ending to the game. Sergio Roberto's break up the field was fantastic too.

Best rivalry game in soccer. Would love to go some day.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: TabClear on April 23, 2017, 09:42:49 PM
That was incredible.  Messi is on a different planet.  To me there isn't even a debate.

Sergio Ramos.......
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: gallsman on April 23, 2017, 09:45:27 PM
Brilliant game, even accounting for Messi's deterioration.

Ramos loves a red.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: OgraAnDun on April 23, 2017, 09:47:01 PM
What a finish.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: mrdeeds on April 23, 2017, 09:49:20 PM
Brilliant game, even accounting for Messi's deterioration.

Ramos loves a red.

Deterioration? Just the 47 goals this season.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Main Street on April 23, 2017, 10:03:18 PM
That was a classic el clasico.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: gallsman on April 23, 2017, 10:05:16 PM
Brilliant game, even accounting for Messi's deterioration.

Ramos loves a red.

Deterioration? Just the 47 goals this season.

Read the previous few pages and you'll understand that it was tongue in cheek.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: tyroneman on April 23, 2017, 10:08:12 PM
How in feck did Marcelo not take a yellow and kill the game. 2-2 and the league is over. Let Roberto run across him with 30sec left.

Idiotic.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 23, 2017, 10:10:39 PM
Messi is unreal when in that form
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: OgraAnDun on April 23, 2017, 10:26:46 PM
How in feck did Marcelo not take a yellow and kill the game. 2-2 and the league is over. Let Roberto run across him with 30sec left.

Idiotic.

He's heard of a specific Irish pundit who calls your manhood into question if you even contemplate such a cowardly act.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: tyroneman on April 23, 2017, 10:28:29 PM
How in feck did Marcelo not take a yellow and kill the game. 2-2 and the league is over. Let Roberto run across him with 30sec left.

Idiotic.

He's heard of a specific Irish pundit who calls your manhood into question if you even contemplate such a cowardly act.

If yr being paid £100,000+ per week to win a league - you make that foul......
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Main Street on April 23, 2017, 10:31:15 PM
How in feck did Marcelo not take a yellow and kill the game. 2-2 and the league is over. Let Roberto run across him with 30sec left.

Idiotic.
He's heard of a specific Irish pundit who calls your manhood into question if you even contemplate such a cowardly act.
If yr being paid £100,000+ per week to win a league - you make that foul......
Typical Tyrone imbecilic angst  ;D
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: DuffleKing on April 23, 2017, 11:03:51 PM
Messi has faded significantly the last 12 months. Neymar was the one who drove the miracle against PSG it should be remembered.

 :o
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Minder on April 23, 2017, 11:18:28 PM
Messi has faded significantly the last 12 months. Neymar was the one who drove the miracle against PSG it should be remembered.

 :o

The 26 county Stallion
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Cunny Funt on April 23, 2017, 11:48:00 PM
That was a classic el clasico.
and classic celebration on that last minute winner.


Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: gallsman on April 23, 2017, 11:56:34 PM
Cameras got a great shot of yet another ronaldo tantrum at the end too.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: tyroneman on April 24, 2017, 06:23:10 AM
How in feck did Marcelo not take a yellow and kill the game. 2-2 and the league is over. Let Roberto run across him with 30sec left.

Idiotic.
He's heard of a specific Irish pundit who calls your manhood into question if you even contemplate such a cowardly act.
If yr being paid £100,000+ per week to win a league - you make that foul......
Typical Tyrone imbecilic angst  ;D

Still can't get over the McManus / Cavanagh thing then.... ::)
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Main Street on April 24, 2017, 06:34:14 AM
That was a classic el clasico.
and classic celebration on that last minute winner.



That's a great photo capturing a classic iconic sporting image of the ages, as if to say we came here a once great team team in supposed decline. We have shipped a load of arrows over the past months including the recent devastating defeats to Juve, our league challenge is tottering. We came here, we had to win and we conquered this great Real Madrid team. We were brilliant, we were defiant to the end. I scored one of the finest goals that only the truly gifted footballers can score and to cap it all, I  also scored a glorious winner in the last second and in the heat of this goal celebration it is all dedicated to this great club.

It's as iconic as O'Neill's show of defiance with Neil Lennon after the fiery Glasgow derby defeat at Ibrox in 2004 and in the context of years of legitimised bigot abuse directed at Lennon.








 
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Declan on April 24, 2017, 08:37:00 AM
Really enjoyable El Classico alright. Messi is a genius
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Billys Boots on April 24, 2017, 08:47:05 AM
Really enjoyable El Classico alright. Messi is a genius

It was a weekend of really good football all round, capped by el clasico - that Chelsea-Spurs tie was a cracker. 
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Esmarelda on April 24, 2017, 09:41:52 AM
Really enjoyable El Classico alright. Messi is a genius

It was a weekend of really good football all round, capped by el clasico - that Chelsea-Spurs tie was a cracker.
Superb stuff. I thought Barca had missed the boat but the great man came up trumps at the end. There was much more effort off the ball from Messi last night, tracking back that we used to see in the Guradiola era but which we don't always see any more.

Ramos really is the panto villain. Did I hear 22 sendings off now? And complaining about it.

One black mark on the game was Gerry Armstrong's commentary. Surely it's time to put Gerry somewhere peaceful.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: gallsman on April 24, 2017, 09:45:46 AM
Five reds against Barca alone for Ramos.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Main Street on April 24, 2017, 11:16:30 AM
As good and all as the sporting fare was on offer this weekend, there was an empty space, I did miss GAA football, hurling doesn't do it for me. I would even have relished a modest Ulster championship prelim.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: lurganblue on April 24, 2017, 12:49:18 PM
Really enjoyable El Classico alright. Messi is a genius

It was a weekend of really good football all round, capped by el clasico - that Chelsea-Spurs tie was a cracker.
Superb stuff. I thought Barca had missed the boat but the great man came up trumps at the end. There was much more effort off the ball from Messi last night, tracking back that we used to see in the Guradiola era but which we don't always see any more.

Ramos really is the panto villain. Did I hear 22 sendings off now? And complaining about it.

One black mark on the game was Gerry Armstrong's commentary. Surely it's time to put Gerry somewhere peaceful.

I had some laugh at Ray Hudson on beIN Sports
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: gallsman on April 24, 2017, 02:05:03 PM
Ah, Ray Hudson is a bollocks. You think the first one is funny and then realise he doesn't f**k up for the full 90 mins. One in twenty of his utterances is amusing or witty. The rest is just gibberish.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: lurganblue on April 24, 2017, 02:11:03 PM
oh he talks complete shite and it will no doubt begin to irritate very quickly.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Main Street on April 24, 2017, 03:09:18 PM
Ray Hudson's legend, a real walk on the wild side,
'Messi --  born in the crossfire hurricane and he's jumpin' jack flash,  right here - amazing football' :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oR-6jLpXsc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oR-6jLpXsc)

The Sky Sports would have you bored stone dead, with mogadon drone T Henry in the studio and Gerry
  "oh my goodness  .....unbelievable!!" Armstrong as co commentator.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Main Street on April 24, 2017, 03:34:12 PM
A selection of Messi moments of genius from the game and the systematic assaults to stop him.
https://youtu.be/F2X6vwgqV7M?t=11 (https://youtu.be/F2X6vwgqV7M?t=11)
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Esmarelda on April 24, 2017, 05:08:54 PM
A selection of Messi moments of genius from the game and the systematic assaults to stop him.
https://youtu.be/F2X6vwgqV7M?t=11 (https://youtu.be/F2X6vwgqV7M?t=11)
Anyone think there's a chance that Marcelo's elbow was intentional?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Rossie11 on April 24, 2017, 05:46:51 PM
A selection of Messi moments of genius from the game and the systematic assaults to stop him.
https://youtu.be/F2X6vwgqV7M?t=11 (https://youtu.be/F2X6vwgqV7M?t=11)
Anyone think there's a chance that Marcelo's elbow was intentional?
100%
He even had glance over at linesman to see if he spotted him.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Main Street on April 24, 2017, 05:54:35 PM
I think there's a good chance that it was intentional considering the systematic heavy contact fouling of Messi throughout the game.
 From the live angle, Messi had pulled to towards the side, away from the direct line of  contact, it could be interpreted that Marcello lifts his elbow higher than what was entailed for protection and made bloody contact. Just it's difficult to tell just how much intent was there.

Messi certainly got the bit between his teeth after that and was chomping on it.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Esmarelda on April 24, 2017, 06:31:26 PM
I think there's a good chance that it was intentional considering the systematic heavy contact fouling of Messi throughout the game.
 From the live angle, Messi had pulled to towards the side, away from the direct line of  contact, it could be interpreted that Marcello lifts his elbow higher than what was entailed for protection and made bloody contact. Just it's difficult to tell just how much intent was there.

Messi certainly got the bit between his teeth after that and was chomping on it.
Ironic then, given the state of the game, that Marcello decided not to take Roberto out en route to setting up the winner.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Main Street on April 24, 2017, 08:31:20 PM
I think there's a good chance that it was intentional considering the systematic heavy contact fouling of Messi throughout the game.
 From the live angle, Messi had pulled to towards the side, away from the direct line of  contact, it could be interpreted that Marcello lifts his elbow higher than what was entailed for protection and made bloody contact. Just it's difficult to tell just how much intent was there.

Messi certainly got the bit between his teeth after that and was chomping on it.
Ironic then, given the state of the game, that Marcello decided not to take Roberto out en route to setting up the winner.
If only Marcelo had a few drops of Tyrone dna in his system he wouldn't have hesitated to chop Roberto down in that blink of an eye moment ;D you can see he tried to rectify that but couldn't get close to the player with the ball
https://youtu.be/QR89ORtynTo?t=364 (https://youtu.be/QR89ORtynTo?t=364)
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: ONeill on April 24, 2017, 09:09:26 PM
Really enjoyable El Classico alright. Messi is a genius

It was a weekend of really good football all round, capped by el clasico - that Chelsea-Spurs tie was a cracker.
Superb stuff. I thought Barca had missed the boat but the great man came up trumps at the end. There was much more effort off the ball from Messi last night, tracking back that we used to see in the Guradiola era but which we don't always see any more.

Ramos really is the panto villain. Did I hear 22 sendings off now? And complaining about it.

One black mark on the game was Gerry Armstrong's commentary. Surely it's time to put Gerry somewhere peaceful.

I had some laugh at Ray Hudson on beIN Sports

Hudson just squealed at the last 2 goals. Like a pig being slaughtered. Good laugh though.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Main Street on April 25, 2017, 12:12:29 AM
Really enjoyable El Classico alright. Messi is a genius

It was a weekend of really good football all round, capped by el clasico - that Chelsea-Spurs tie was a cracker.
Superb stuff. I thought Barca had missed the boat but the great man came up trumps at the end. There was much more effort off the ball from Messi last night, tracking back that we used to see in the Guradiola era but which we don't always see any more.

Ramos really is the panto villain. Did I hear 22 sendings off now? And complaining about it.

One black mark on the game was Gerry Armstrong's commentary. Surely it's time to put Gerry somewhere peaceful.

I had some laugh at Ray Hudson on beIN Sports

Hudson just squealed at the last 2 goals. Like a pig being slaughtered. Good laugh though.
Yet another Tyrone fckwit with his simile obscenity.
Good laugh though.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Cunny Funt on May 02, 2017, 09:21:01 PM
With 13 mins to play its Ronaldo 2 Atletico Madrid 0 in this fiesty semi final 1st leg.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 02, 2017, 09:22:44 PM
Ronaldo finished .... never does it at the top level....  :o
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Syferus on May 02, 2017, 09:28:36 PM
That Ronaldo buck will never amount to anything.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Cunny Funt on May 02, 2017, 09:31:08 PM
Ronaldo 3 Atletico Madrid 0. Tie over after the 1st leg?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 02, 2017, 09:31:55 PM
Pure machine.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 03, 2017, 06:37:39 PM
Ajax on course to reaching their first European final for over twenty years.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Boycey on May 03, 2017, 06:40:29 PM
A long way to go in it yet. Why's it on tonight incidentally?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 03, 2017, 06:49:37 PM
A long way to go in it yet. Why's it on tonight incidentally?
Brought forward so it didn't clash with Remembrance day in the Netherlands. 3-0 lead now.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 03, 2017, 09:19:15 PM
Juv should beat Madrid in final... great to see them back competing for CL titles
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Cunny Funt on May 03, 2017, 09:34:10 PM
Juv should beat Madrid in final... great to see them back competing for CL titles
Will be intriguing final Juve so difficult to score against in this years champions league and so good on the counter attack but if one man can breach them then Ronaldo certainly can.

Did anyone on here get tickets for the Cardiff final? I applied for a few tickets and sadly I got word back I wasn't succesful in the ballot.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: SHEEDY on May 04, 2017, 09:25:42 PM
The best bit of this match so far has been the A-team theme music being played over the tannoy at half time.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: imtommygunn on May 04, 2017, 09:31:08 PM
Juve are a dirty shower. Their cynicism wouldn't be out of place in some proper football matches you see these days!
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Fuzzman on May 05, 2017, 11:50:00 AM
I've a complicated question about qualifying for the Europa league next year.

If Man Utd should go on to win the Europa league this year then they qualify for the play-off round of the champions league as well as the 4th team in the league and so there will then be 5 teams from England in the CL draw.

However, my question is about Everton who will probably finish 7th now. I know for sure that 6th & 7th will now qualify for the Europa league but I'm wondering do the 7th team have to go into the qualifying round like West Ham did last year or will they go straight into the group stage as there will only be 2 teams from England not 3 in the Europa league.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%80%9317_UEFA_Europa_League

If you look at the example of Sevilla last year. They qualified for the champions league this year as they won the Europa cup in 2016, although they finished 7th in their league. Ath Bilbao and Celta Vigo were 5th & 6th and so they went straight into the Europa league group stages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_Premier_League
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_La_Liga
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Cunny Funt on May 09, 2017, 08:38:52 PM
Juve in cruise control against Man Citys conquerors Monaco.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Boycey on May 10, 2017, 07:55:26 PM
There's gonna be some histrionics over the next 90 mins  ;D
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: mrdeeds on May 10, 2017, 08:02:12 PM
The quality on show last couple nights is lightyears ahead of EPL.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 10, 2017, 08:03:32 PM
Some start to this 2nd leg. Atletico Madrid back in the tie!
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: seafoid on May 10, 2017, 08:13:04 PM
Some start to this 2nd leg. Atletico Madrid back in the tie!
Great spirit
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: imtommygunn on May 10, 2017, 08:26:18 PM
Plenty of needle in this game. Your man godin is a dirty hallion.

Still hard to see real lose this. I think they will sneak one.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: gallsman on May 10, 2017, 08:38:02 PM
Before that went in, I'd have bet the house on another Ramos sending off.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: imtommygunn on May 10, 2017, 09:04:31 PM
There looked like quite a few red card candidates at that stage. Calmed down now.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on May 11, 2017, 09:48:49 PM
Great game between Lyon and Ajax.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on May 11, 2017, 09:57:22 PM
Ajax go through. The last 10mins was absolutely fantastic end to end football, loads of missed chances and a sending off.
Would be great to see Ajax win it now.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: hardstation on May 11, 2017, 09:59:08 PM
United could have been gone there!!
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: imtommygunn on May 11, 2017, 10:00:28 PM
Could have scored that myself. Dunno what he was at.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Main Street on May 11, 2017, 10:07:27 PM
Ex Celt Guidetta missed 3  gilt edged sitters for Celta. That has to be the worst Man U team in decades, once they go ahead the tactic is kill the game, dross to watch.
That was some game in Lyon. Ajax have to be real contenders for the cup.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: hardstation on May 11, 2017, 10:11:17 PM
Ex Celt Guidetta missed 3  gilt edged sitters for Celta. That has to be the worst Man U team in decades, once they go ahead the tactic is kill the game, dross to watch.
That was some game in Lyon. Ajax have to be real contenders for the cup.
I wouldn't say they're real contenders at this very early stage.....
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 11, 2017, 11:07:35 PM
Ajax favourites now considering their attacking flow and how they dispatched a decent Lyon
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Main Street on May 12, 2017, 02:42:10 PM
Ex Celt Guidetta missed 3  gilt edged sitters for Celta. That has to be the worst Man U team in decades, once they go ahead the tactic is kill the game, dross to watch.
That was some game in Lyon. Ajax have to be real contenders for the cup.
I wouldn't say they're real contenders at this very early stage.....
Then I'll hazard a wild guess, you would pick Man U?
 ;D
The last two contenders standing and both vying for the real contender tag.



Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: gallsman on May 12, 2017, 06:05:59 PM
Ex Celt Guidetta missed 3  gilt edged sitters for Celta. That has to be the worst Man U team in decades, once they go ahead the tactic is kill the game, dross to watch.
That was some game in Lyon. Ajax have to be real contenders for the cup.
I wouldn't say they're real contenders at this very early stage.....
Then I'll hazard a wild guess, you would pick Man U?
 ;D
The last two contenders standing and both vying for the real contender tag.

He was pointing out the daftness of your ""...have to be real contenders for the cup" comment. They're in the final, of course they're f**king contenders!
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: StGallsGAA on May 13, 2017, 08:19:40 AM
Ex Celt Guidetta missed 3  gilt edged sitters for Celta. That has to be the worst Man U team in decades, once they go ahead the tactic is kill the game, dross to watch.
That was some game in Lyon. Ajax have to be real contenders for the cup.
I wouldn't say they're real contenders at this very early stage.....
Then I'll hazard a wild guess, you would pick Man U?
 ;D
The last two contenders standing and both vying for the real contender tag.

He was pointing out the daftness of your ""...have to be real contenders for the cup" comment. They're in the final, of course they're f**king contenders!

Lol!  Wooossshh!!  ;D
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Syferus on June 03, 2017, 08:21:25 PM
Some match on here.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: imtommygunn on June 03, 2017, 08:25:53 PM
Some goal by mandzukic. That ronaldo fecker is good.

Ramos for red.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 03, 2017, 09:08:29 PM
Two deflected goals for Real Madrid their luck is in tonight by the looks of it.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 03, 2017, 09:10:20 PM
Ronaldo again 3-1 game over?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Syferus on June 03, 2017, 09:11:07 PM
Sure he only scores against the shite teams. That hat trick streak could continue against the best defense in the world.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: GJL on June 03, 2017, 09:17:37 PM
Sure he only scores against the shite teams. That hat trick streak could continue against the best defense in the world.

The man is a machine. Without doubt the best to ever play the game.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: AZOffaly on June 03, 2017, 09:19:29 PM
"Without doubt"? Big statement.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Cunny Funt on June 03, 2017, 09:22:48 PM
Sure he only scores against the shite teams. That hat trick streak could continue against the best defense in the world.

The man is a machine. Without doubt one of the best to ever play the game.
Corrected that for you.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: imtommygunn on June 03, 2017, 09:23:58 PM
Juve have been very poor second half. No support at all for higuan if the ball gets there.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Syferus on June 03, 2017, 09:37:05 PM
That's Ronaldo's Messi-equalling fifth Ballon D'Or as good as confirmed.

The 2019 Ballon d'Or is going to be very interesting now.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 03, 2017, 09:45:54 PM
Outstanding second half performance from Real Madrid. Hard to believe it's 27 years since a side retained the European cup feels like only yesterday when I watched a great AC Milan side achieve that.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 03, 2017, 10:52:17 PM
Ronaldo never produces in the big games...... I couldn't be arsed looking for the clowns that said that but feck!!!
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Boycey on June 04, 2017, 12:28:04 AM
https://twitter.com/janaagefjortoft/status/871118224636731393


Delighted for Ronaldo, an absolute superb pro

#onetrickpony 
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: SHEEDY on August 02, 2017, 09:59:04 PM
powerful image produced by legia warsaw fans tonight.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGP--VEXkAI2gHA.jpg:large
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 02, 2017, 10:11:59 PM
powerful image produced by legia warsaw fans tonight.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGP--VEXkAI2gHA.jpg:large
Class. They had a tifo a few years ago of a masked Ultra which I think got them in trouble.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Boycey on August 02, 2017, 10:20:49 PM
powerful image produced by legia warsaw fans tonight.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGP--VEXkAI2gHA.jpg:large
Class. They had a tifo a few years ago of a masked Ultra which I think got them in trouble.

On one level I quite like that on another it's just wrong..
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Ball Hopper on August 02, 2017, 11:49:51 PM
Draw on Friday 4 Aug:  The top 5 seeds from the Champions route  are drawn against the bottom 5, ditto for League route.  Rankings are based on club coefficient, which is the number after each clubs name.

The ten winners go to Champions League group stage, ten losers go to Europa League.

Champions route:

Olympiacos (GRE) 64.580
Celtic (SCO) 42.785
København (DEN) 37.800
APOEL (CYP) 26.210
Maribor (SVN) 21.125

*****************
Qarabağ (AZE) 18.050
Astana (KAZ) 16.800
Rijeka (CRO) 15.550
Hapoel Beer-Sheva (ISR) 10.875
Slavia Praha (CZE) 8.135

League route:

Sevilla (ESP) 112.999
Napoli (ITA) 88.666
Liverpool (ENG) 56.192
CSKA Moskva (RUS) 39.606
Sporting CP (POR) 36.866

******************
FCSB (ROU) 35.370
Young Boys (SUI) 28.915
Hoffenheim (GER) 15.899
Nice (FRA) 16.833
İstanbul Başakşehir (TUR) 10.340

Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: gallsman on August 04, 2017, 01:11:16 AM
And it's done. Now, to see how Barca can manage to blow the windfall on a load of shite hawks.

The market is absolutely crazy at the minute.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: gawa316 on August 04, 2017, 06:56:57 AM
Sure he only scores against the shite teams. That hat trick streak could continue against the best defense in the world.

The man is a machine. Without doubt the best to ever play the game.

Ridiculous statement
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: BennyHarp on August 13, 2017, 10:44:46 PM
Ronaldo with a fairly hefty push on the ref after getting red carded. I wonder is the Spanish FA  as ruthless as the GAA in thes sort of incidents.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: gallsman on August 13, 2017, 11:08:04 PM
Some match this evening. Two unreal goals from Ronaldo and Asensio.

Five game minimum you'd imagine for the push.

Barca look to be in trouble. They have to spend, and quickly.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Applesisapples on August 15, 2017, 03:01:18 PM
Some match this evening. Two unreal goals from Ronaldo and Asensio.

Five game minimum you'd imagine for the push.

Barca look to be in trouble. They have to spend, and quickly.
Spending isn't the issue, though it would help, they have good enough players, they need a manager who can enforce a defensive strategy. Although the fans won't like that.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: StGallsGAA on August 24, 2017, 02:19:40 PM
The Champions League draw should throw up some immensely competitive groupings.    Real and Bayern aside Pot 2 has stronger teams than Pot 1, while Pot 3 has a fair few big hitters as well.  Some in Pot 4 will fancy their chances of the knock out stages if they get the right draw. 
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 24, 2017, 05:53:52 PM
Group A: Benfica, Manchester United, Basel, CSKA Moscow
Group B: Bayern Munich, Paris St-Germain, Anderlecht, Celtic
Group C: Chelsea, Atlético Madrid, Roma, Qarabag
Group D: Juventus, Barcelona, Olympiakos, Sporting Clube de Portugal
Group E: Spartak Moscow, Sevilla, Liverpool, Maribor
Group F: Shakhtar Donetsk, Manchester City, Napoli, Feyenoord
Group G: Monaco, Porto, Besiktas, Leipzig
Group H: Real Madrid, Borussia Dortmund, Tottenham, Apoel Nicosia
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on August 24, 2017, 06:01:43 PM
All the English teams apart from Spurs should  be qualifying for the second round.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Syferus on August 24, 2017, 06:02:36 PM
Utd, City and Liverpool got easy draws. Chelsea could have a bit of trouble with Roma.

Spurs will do well to win more than two games, while Celtic have every chance of losing all six.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Boycey on August 24, 2017, 06:04:14 PM
I think ye are overstating the case for Dortmund a little??
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 24, 2017, 06:07:07 PM
Of the British clubs Man United,Liverpool,Man City should finish in the top two in their groups. Chelsea,Tottenham have a battle on their hands with Roma,Dortmund in their groups while Celtic might finish 3rd in their group.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: StGallsGAA on August 24, 2017, 06:09:25 PM
Happy enough for Unite and as a pot 3 team I doubt if Liverpool could've hand picked a handier group.  Stinker for Celtic.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Syferus on August 24, 2017, 06:13:18 PM
I think ye are overstating the case for Dortmund a little??

Dortmund are a seasoned CL team. Spurs have done feck all in the CL besides lose, and have managed to weaken their squad in this transfer window. Dortmund will finish above them.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 24, 2017, 08:16:50 PM
Dates of fixtures. http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/competitions/Draws/02/49/56/25/2495625_DOWNLOAD.pdf
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Boycey on August 24, 2017, 08:46:19 PM
United and Liverpool in Moscow in the same week would be a worry to police I'd say and more importantly two loads of mad Russians in the North West of England in the same week will defo worry English police.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: imtommygunn on August 24, 2017, 08:53:04 PM
If any of them start any trouble in moscow they'll be very sorry boys. The moscow police wouldn't take any prisoners.

Celtic in big diffs again but realistically in pot 4 no draw was going to be favourable. They must try and do well and get in pot 3.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: gawa316 on August 24, 2017, 08:58:15 PM
United and Liverpool in Moscow in the same week would be a worry to police I'd say and more importantly two loads of mad Russians in the North West of England in the same week will defo worry English police.

Maybe they'll join forces like the Welsh and the English did in France for the Euro's
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 24, 2017, 10:55:05 PM
Utd and Liverpool have not been in this cup for a while! Some lads thinking they are already in the last 16!! Going to be a lot of posts brought back to embarrass some experts..
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: ziggy90 on August 25, 2017, 09:38:23 AM
Where's Qarabag?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on August 25, 2017, 09:52:46 AM
Where's Qarabag?

http://www.letmegooglethat.com/?q=where+is+qarabag
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: ziggy90 on August 25, 2017, 04:03:30 PM
What a wonderful person you are laoislad.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: gallsman on September 20, 2017, 11:10:32 PM
Madrid beaten at home tonight by Betis via a 94th minute winner. First time in 74 games Madrid haven't scored. Ronaldo was terrible.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 20, 2017, 11:22:21 PM
Was a decent game and Betis deserved their win, eggs in all in one basket now for Madrid
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Boycey on October 14, 2017, 08:32:05 PM
https://www.balls.ie/football/hertha-berlin-take-a-knee-375690

A bit fecking unnecessary if you ask me..
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: gallsman on October 14, 2017, 09:50:25 PM
https://www.balls.ie/football/hertha-berlin-take-a-knee-375690

A bit fecking unnecessary if you ask me..

Disagree completely. Absolutely necessary.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: trileacman on October 16, 2017, 05:08:36 PM
https://www.balls.ie/football/hertha-berlin-take-a-knee-375690

A bit fecking unnecessary if you ask me..

Disagree completely. Absolutely necessary.

Germans putting themselves to the forefront of racial equality. Those in glass houses comes to mind.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: foxcommander on October 16, 2017, 05:18:17 PM
https://www.balls.ie/football/hertha-berlin-take-a-knee-375690

A bit fecking unnecessary if you ask me..

Disagree completely. Absolutely necessary.

Germans putting themselves to the forefront of racial equality. Those in glass houses comes to mind.

Vomit inducing PC stunt.
The whole premise of this taking a knee is due to a few drug dealers and criminals being lamented in the states.

Can't wait for this in GAA.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: gallsman on October 29, 2017, 05:08:44 PM
Madrid beaten in Girona, where Carles Puigdemont used to be mayor. Perfect narrative for the Catalans.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Cunny Funt on November 22, 2017, 06:55:12 PM
Igor Akinfeev kept his first Champions League clean sheet tonight since 1st November 2006 against Arsenal ending a run of 43 games without one.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: SHEEDY on December 03, 2017, 01:35:54 PM
Great scenes in Seria A. Benevento got their 1st ever point in the top league with a last minute equaliser against ac milan, it was scored by their goalkeeper from a header. After 14 consecutive defeats they're finally off the mark.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Boycey on December 03, 2017, 01:55:08 PM
Great scenes in Seria A. Benevento got their 1st ever point in the top league with a last minute equaliser against ac milan, it was scored by their goalkeeper from a header. After 14 consecutive defeats they're finally off the mark.

https://twitter.com/seanwaiker/status/937312675494813697
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Syferus on December 03, 2017, 03:47:11 PM
https://www.balls.ie/football/hertha-berlin-take-a-knee-375690

A bit fecking unnecessary if you ask me..

Disagree completely. Absolutely necessary.

Germans putting themselves to the forefront of racial equality. Those in glass houses comes to mind.

The fûck? I hate to break the news to you, but not every German was a Nazi nor are many now.

I can only imagine the reaction here if a German thought people in NI couldn’t comment on terrorism because they thought they were mostly IRA and UDA types.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on December 05, 2017, 04:39:18 PM
Chelsea playing Atletico Madrid tonight and TV3 in their wisdom are showing Man United v CSKA  ::)
Even the Celtic game would have been a better watch.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Billys Boots on December 05, 2017, 04:59:38 PM
Chelsea playing Atletico Madrid tonight and TV3 in their wisdom are showing Man United v CSKA  ::)
Even the Celtic game would have been a better watch.

You have forgotten the first rule of broadcasting - nothing is as important as selling advertising. 
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Boycey on December 05, 2017, 07:19:34 PM
TV station in showing what their customers want shocker  :o
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: gawa316 on December 05, 2017, 08:13:26 PM
Do the CL groups get decided on just normal league format or if two teams are equal does it come down to head to head?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Boycey on December 05, 2017, 08:16:34 PM
Do the CL groups get decided on just normal league format or if two teams are equal does it come down to head to head?

Head to head, mini league with the results between the 3 teams involved taken into account in the case 3 teams finishing tied which may happen in Uniteds group
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: gallsman on December 23, 2017, 01:53:37 PM
Comfortable in the end for Barca. 14 ahead of Madrid. Zidane might be in trouble after that. Am genuinely shocked Ramos didn't lose the head and get sent off.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on December 23, 2017, 02:05:12 PM
Poor game really. Barca miles better than Real.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 23, 2017, 02:07:12 PM
Comfortable in the end for Barca. 14 ahead of Madrid. Zidane might be in trouble after that. Am genuinely shocked Ramos didn't lose the head and get sent off.

Ramos is a clampit! Should have been red! Ronaldo was very poor
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Syferus on December 23, 2017, 02:43:09 PM
It’s mad that a few months ago Real were considered an unbeatable dynasty while Barca looked to be a shambles, losing Neymar and lying about Messi signing a new contract.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: gallsman on December 23, 2017, 03:16:43 PM
I think Barca are still a bit of a shambles to be honest, it's just that Madrid are even worse. Aleix Vidal scoring against them is the height of indignity.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on December 23, 2017, 05:54:52 PM
Success in the Champions league might save Zidanes job then again the club sacked their manager before after winning the champions league. 
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Applesisapples on December 24, 2017, 10:44:30 AM
Valverde has brought some organisation to Barca, they don't concede as many goals now. They are not quite there on the scoring front with both Messi and Suarez out of sorts for them I thought Iniesta and Roberto were excellent yesterday. Ramos and Marcello got away with a lot. Ronaldo is a first class player but unfortunately he is also a first class w@@ker.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: gallsman on December 24, 2017, 11:54:56 AM
Bale looked far more likely to cause trouble after he came on than Ronaldo did all day. Ronaldo also had a few shots from ridiculous positions that he had no business taking. They badly needed Isco, He's the one that's been making them tick for the last eighteen months or so.

I'd say there are very few in Barcelona who imagined that Dembele would be returning to an undefeated team nine clear at the top of the league when he went down.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: SHEEDY on January 13, 2018, 09:14:10 PM
another loss for real madrid today, 1-0 at home to villarreal. they now sit 4th, 16 points behind barcelona. zidane will do well to see the season out at this rate.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: gallsman on January 13, 2018, 09:48:43 PM
Cracking breakaway goal with a beautiful finish that beat them too. First time they've ever won in Madrid.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 13, 2018, 07:56:18 PM
Tottenham have got off to the worst possible start tonight.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 13, 2018, 08:06:25 PM
Manchester City bringing their Premier league form into the knock out stages of the Champions league.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Cunny Funt on February 13, 2018, 08:21:45 PM
Manchester City bringing their Premier league form into the knock out stages of the Champions league.
Not just the game but the tie over after 20 mins. Spurs back in the other tie Kane who else..
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Cunny Funt on February 13, 2018, 08:35:27 PM
Missed penalty on the stroke of half time it could be Spurs night yet.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Syferus on February 13, 2018, 08:37:39 PM
Aurier is header on and off the field.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 13, 2018, 09:15:18 PM
2-2 Buffon of old would have saved that.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: SHEEDY on February 13, 2018, 09:39:13 PM
Spurs were excellent tonight, dominated after they went 2 down early.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: imtommygunn on February 13, 2018, 09:52:53 PM
On their day spurs are superb. Not consistent enough though. Could still lose this very easily.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: ziggy90 on February 13, 2018, 10:42:01 PM
On their day spurs are superb. Not consistent enough though. Could still lose this very easily.

On the button. If Juve (Higuain) had took those two golden chances in the first half the tie would be over. Having said that, Spurs did look the more cohesive side but there's still all to play for?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Syferus on February 14, 2018, 09:41:25 PM
Rony delivering again when it matters most. Not bad got a show-pony.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: seafoid on February 15, 2018, 06:45:44 AM
PSG would remind you of Kildare. ESo much potential but every year they run into an immovable object
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: LooseCannon on February 15, 2018, 07:44:08 AM
PSG would remind you of Kildare. ESo much potential but every year they run into an immovable object
I wouldn’t call Westmeath immovable!
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 20, 2018, 09:12:53 PM
A case of if you don't succeed try try again for Willian tonight.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Cunny Funt on February 20, 2018, 09:19:11 PM
First Messi goal v Chelsea. Poor defending.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on March 07, 2018, 08:44:08 PM
The old lady Juventus are on the way out of the Champions league. Lucky enough Tottenham goal and could have been a very different game if Juventus were given that clear penalty. Andrea Barzagli lucky to avoid red.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Syferus on March 07, 2018, 08:58:13 PM
Bit quick on the trigger, it’s only half time.

Would prefer Juve to win and keep Buffon in the hunt for the one trophy that has eluded him. Class act of a footballer.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Cunny Funt on March 07, 2018, 09:08:34 PM
Lifeline for Juve out of nothing really.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on March 07, 2018, 09:11:39 PM
Two Juventus goals from two shots on target and they find themselves in front on the night and in the tie unbelievable Jeff!
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Square Ball on March 07, 2018, 09:14:57 PM
Never seen that comming.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 07, 2018, 09:15:06 PM
That’s serious! Was looking at the price to qualify at 1-0 for Spurs. And juventus were 20/1!
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Cunny Funt on March 07, 2018, 09:24:58 PM
A lot of the energy is gone out of Spurs play, up to Kane to deliver another important late goal...
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on March 07, 2018, 09:37:13 PM
The old lady lives to fight another day. Big warriors in that Juventus side however Tottenham had the tie won and lost because they are still a bit naive.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: ziggy90 on March 07, 2018, 09:39:27 PM
Enjoyed that, a proper game of knockout European cup football.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: StGallsGAA on March 07, 2018, 09:47:37 PM
That’s serious! Was looking at the price to qualify at 1-0 for Spurs. And juventus were 20/1!

Tell us you threw a tenner on it at least?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Syferus on March 07, 2018, 09:48:19 PM
The old lady Juventus are on the way out of the Champions league. Lucky enough Tottenham goal and could have been a very different game if Juventus were given that clear penalty. Andrea Barzagli lucky to avoid red.

Not your best call!

Experience nearly always tells in Europe, as we’ve seen the last two nights highlight. Despite all the noise around the likes of PSG, Spurs and Liverpool, who is betting against two of Barca, Bayern, Real or Juve playing the final again this year?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on March 07, 2018, 10:07:47 PM
The old lady Juventus are on the way out of the Champions league. Lucky enough Tottenham goal and could have been a very different game if Juventus were given that clear penalty. Andrea Barzagli lucky to avoid red.

Not your best call!

Experience nearly always tells in Europe, as we’ve seen the last two nights highlight. Despite all the noise around the likes of PSG, Spurs and Liverpool, who is betting against two of Barca, Bayern, Real or Juve playing the final again this year?
A call? stating a fact that they were on the way out at half time. Tottenham were never going to reach the final while Liverpool with their tradition always have a chance.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 07, 2018, 10:32:39 PM
That’s serious! Was looking at the price to qualify at 1-0 for Spurs. And juventus were 20/1!

Tell us you threw a tenner on it at least?

Never touched it as Spurs had all the play, 6 shot on targets while Juve has no shots! I doubt very much anyone touched it, besides I wouldn’t have a tenner
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Maroon Manc on March 08, 2018, 09:20:56 AM
Spurs lack a killer instinct and I'd put that down to the manager and the way he looks down on the domestic cups. Spurs have managed to blow every high pressure game they've been in the last 3 years, I've touted him as a potential United manager but having second thoughts  although that can change if he starts winning trophies over the next few years.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: BennyHarp on March 08, 2018, 10:10:33 PM
If Chelsea and Arsenal finish outside the top 4 but win the champions league and Europa league respectively.  Will England have 6 teams in next years champions league?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: ashman on March 08, 2018, 10:38:39 PM
Spurs lack a killer instinct and I'd put that down to the manager and the way he looks down on the domestic cups. Spurs have managed to blow every high pressure game they've been in the last 3 years, I've touted him as a potential United manager but having second thoughts  although that can change if he starts winning trophies over the next few years.

Spurs big problem is that a good few of their players are not CL level.  Dier, trippier,  Davies are sold mid table EPL players , Sanchez looks a bit iffy , Dele] Alli is slow as a funeral and the subs looked average .  Lamela didn’t show bravery at the end .  Last night they lost to a side who were in  2 of the last 3 CL finals albeit a team in decline .

Spurs are not paying top dollar and truth told are currently overachieving  .  The notion last night’s defeat is down to the manager being supposedly dismissive of domestic cups in wrong .
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Post by: shark on March 08, 2018, 10:54:25 PM
If Chelsea and Arsenal finish outside the top 4 but win the champions league and Europa league respectively.  Will England have 6 teams in next years champions league?

No. 4th place team would lose out.
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Post by: BennyHarp on March 08, 2018, 10:56:04 PM
If Chelsea and Arsenal finish outside the top 4 but win the champions league and Europa league respectively.  Will England have 6 teams in next years champions league?

No. 4th place team would lose out.

Ok cheers! Highly unlikely but Arsenal fans would enjoy that if Spurs finished 4th.
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 08, 2018, 11:11:30 PM
Good goals from Arsenal. Milan were poor. Liverpool happy enough to have off loaded thon winger after that performance and Utd must be wondering about letting their lad go !
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Post by: Cunny Funt on March 08, 2018, 11:39:02 PM
Good goals from Arsenal. Milan were poor. Liverpool happy enough to have off loaded thon winger after that performance and Utd must be wondering about letting their lad go !
If Arsenal get as many important Europa league goals out of Mkhitaryan as United did last year they will be more than happy.
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Post by: Ball Hopper on March 09, 2018, 01:24:58 AM
If Chelsea and Arsenal finish outside the top 4 but win the champions league and Europa league respectively.  Will England have 6 teams in next years champions league?

No. 4th place team would lose out.

Ok cheers! Highly unlikely but Arsenal fans would enjoy that if Spurs finished 4th.

If only one of Chelsea/Arsenal win their competition and end outside the top 4, then all 5 will be in Champions League next season. 

4th place will lose out only if both Chelsea and Arsenal win this season's competitions, as competition rules say 5 teams from any association is the max allowed.
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Post by: Dire Ear on March 27, 2018, 02:20:51 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43555381
New rules; allowing players to play for new team in Europe
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Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 31, 2018, 06:19:15 PM
Demolition in the first half of Bayern vs Dortmund  :o :o :o

5-0
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Post by: Captain Obvious on April 03, 2018, 07:50:03 PM
It didn't take Ronaldo long to put his mark on tonights tie.
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Post by: imtommygunn on April 03, 2018, 07:51:51 PM
You wouldn't normally see juve ship a goal so easily.
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Post by: Syferus on April 03, 2018, 07:56:23 PM
The best showpony who has ever played the game.
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Post by: imtommygunn on April 03, 2018, 08:15:29 PM
Entertaining game this. Poor conditions but lots of chances going on.

Ripe for a real counter attack goal i suspect.
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Post by: Captain Obvious on April 03, 2018, 09:06:47 PM
Another Ronaldo goal outstanding goal!
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Post by: imtommygunn on April 03, 2018, 09:10:29 PM
How high was that ball?? It wasn't that far off 6 foot in the air!
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Post by: Cunny Funt on April 03, 2018, 09:11:03 PM
A bicycle kick goal that was applauded by the home fans!
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Post by: Captain Obvious on April 03, 2018, 09:21:22 PM
The old lady on life support now. 3-0 down at home. The Real Madrid group results v Tottenham who weren't good enough to beat Juventus are a distance memory now.
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 03, 2018, 11:34:31 PM
But sure he couldn’t do it in the big games..... :D
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Post by: seafoid on April 04, 2018, 08:20:02 AM
Juve would remind you of Mayo. A couple of finals . So close. And Gianluigi Moran at his age deserves the medal.
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Post by: SHEEDY on April 04, 2018, 11:28:00 PM
All 4 ties in champions league look to be over after 1st leg. Should be top class semi finals and at the minute its hard to pick between real madrid, bayern or barca but with liverpools attack they cant be ruled out either. Real madrid for me though.
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Post by: Syferus on April 04, 2018, 11:35:52 PM
All 4 ties in champions league look to be over after 1st leg. Should be top class semi finals and at the minute its hard to pick between real madrid, bayern or barca but with liverpools attack they cant be ruled out either. Real madrid for me though.

Sevilla a goal down is hardly a tie that’s over.
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Post by: gallsman on April 05, 2018, 08:24:03 AM
Two away goals and a lead for Bayern going home? It's over.
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Post by: AZOffaly on April 05, 2018, 09:49:55 AM
Lads anyone who thinks the Liverpool tie is over hasn't been paying attention the past couple of years. There was even a Moreno sighting last night for chrissakes.
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Post by: Maroon Manc on April 05, 2018, 10:45:05 AM
Real Madrid my favourite to win it, they've the best players who appear to have come into form at the right time and have a great bench to make an impact too.
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Post by: SHEEDY on April 10, 2018, 09:25:16 PM
Barcelona going out as it stands, unreal scenes in rome.
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Post by: Captain Obvious on April 10, 2018, 09:35:28 PM
The best in England and Spain knocked out in one night. Results like that makes cup competitions great.
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Post by: Syferus on April 10, 2018, 09:39:36 PM
The best in England and Spain knocked out in one night. Results like that makes cup competitions great.

Real are the best in Europe, though.
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Post by: seafoid on April 10, 2018, 09:51:33 PM
Man City flopped last year as well

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/mar/15/manchester-city-toothless-strike-force-misread-pep-guardiola-blueprint-champions-league-Monaco

5 players played in both CL exits

Manchester City 2018  (possible 3-1-3-3) Ederson; Walker, Otamendi, Laporte; Fernandinho; B Silva, De Bruyne, D Silva; Sterling, Jesus,  .
Substitutes: Bravo, Kompany, Gundogan, Aguero, Delph, Zinchenko, Foden.

Manchester City 2017  Caballero, Sagna, Stones, Clichy, Kolarov, Sane, Fernandinho, David Silva, De Bruyne, Aguero, Sterling.
Subs: Bravo, Zabaleta, Jesus Navas, Delph, Otamendi, Toure, Iheanacho

There will probably be another clearout
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Post by: Captain Obvious on April 10, 2018, 10:12:06 PM
The best in England and Spain knocked out in one night. Results like that makes cup competitions great.

Real are the best in Europe, though.
The defending champions and favourites however that is no guarantee they will retain the title again.
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Post by: Denn Forever on April 11, 2018, 02:04:15 PM
Did anyone have a bet on Roma?  Only the World Cup left for Messi.
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Post by: Maroon Manc on April 11, 2018, 02:07:52 PM
Whats up with Barca? Thats the 3rd time in 2 years they've got a serious hiding away from home. I've only seen them a few times this season and haven't been that impressed so have no idea how their unbeaten in La Liga.

Liverpool have a great chance unfortunately, just hope they get Real in the semi's.
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Post by: seafoid on April 11, 2018, 02:18:57 PM
Whats up with Barca? Thats the 3rd time in 2 years they've got a serious hiding away from home. I've only seen them a few times this season and haven't been that impressed so have no idea how their unbeaten in La Liga.

Liverpool have a great chance unfortunately, just hope they get Real in the semi's.
Barca are the new Kilkenny.
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Post by: Cunny Funt on April 11, 2018, 02:55:48 PM
Whats up with Barca? Thats the 3rd time in 2 years they've got a serious hiding away from home. I've only seen them a few times this season and haven't been that impressed so have no idea how their unbeaten in La Liga.

Liverpool have a great chance unfortunately, just hope they get Real in the semi's.
Xavi retired and iniesta past his best, those two along with a younger Messi made Barca near untouchable.
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Post by: Syferus on April 11, 2018, 03:05:09 PM
Another European Cup and a good WC and Ronaldo will be well set up to get ahead of Messi in the all-time Ballon d’Or table. He’s making a strong case for being the GoAT at the moment.
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Post by: dec on April 11, 2018, 08:23:08 PM
Juventus 2-0 up
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Post by: Cunny Funt on April 11, 2018, 08:23:29 PM
Juve not going down without a fight. 2-0 ahead on the night 3-2 behind on AGG
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Post by: laoislad on April 11, 2018, 09:06:15 PM
Unbelievable Jeff.
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Post by: Gold on April 11, 2018, 09:15:20 PM
Any streams?
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Post by: seafoid on April 11, 2018, 09:31:34 PM
Juve are Mayo
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Post by: Harold Disgracey on April 11, 2018, 09:41:46 PM
I tucking hate Real.
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Post by: hardstation on April 11, 2018, 09:41:57 PM
Some game.
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Post by: Cunny Funt on April 11, 2018, 09:43:27 PM
High drama lucky Real Madrid. Great performance on the night by Juve sad end what could be Buffons last Champions league game.
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Post by: seafoid on April 11, 2018, 09:44:38 PM
I tucking hate Real.
+1

 No surprise they were Franco''s team
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 11, 2018, 09:45:07 PM
Ronaldo sorts it
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Post by: hardstation on April 11, 2018, 09:45:14 PM
A dramatic comeback but a stonewall penalty all the same.
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Post by: Captain Obvious on April 11, 2018, 09:46:39 PM
Zidanes job as Real Madrid manager saved for another day. They looked far from the best in Europe tonight. The old lady was carried out on their shields.

Its looking like Liverpools Champions league to lose now!
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Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 11, 2018, 09:46:51 PM
Definite penalty and deserved red card IMO
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Post by: hardstation on April 11, 2018, 09:48:44 PM
Definite penalty and deserved red card IMO
The boy who gave the penalty away (as last man) should have got the road too.
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Post by: David McKeown on April 11, 2018, 09:52:29 PM
Definite penalty and deserved red card IMO
The boy who gave the penalty away (as last man) should have got the road too.

Not with the new rules he shouldn't but I wonder why he wasn't booked
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Post by: StGallsGAA on April 11, 2018, 10:04:27 PM
Very stupid from Buffon getting himself sent off when the team needed him most.  Every chance he would've saved the penalty the form he was in.    If he didn't save it and the game been was lost *then* go to the ref and tell him his mother is from Laois or whatever.
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Post by: Aaron Boone on April 11, 2018, 10:12:36 PM
Liverpool most impressive of the four teams remaining. They won’t chicken-out in the Kiev final.
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Post by: An Watcher on April 11, 2018, 10:15:39 PM
I think that in a one off game v Madrid, Liverpool have every chance.  Not so sure about a two legged affair though
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Post by: manfromdelmonte on April 11, 2018, 10:19:10 PM
Liverpool most impressive of the four teams remaining. They won’t chicken-out in the Kiev final.
Really?
Will they brick the bus next time?
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Post by: Rich Ricci on April 11, 2018, 10:24:41 PM
Stupidity from Buffon getting himself sent off. Ronaldo probably still would have scored but it's a hell of a bigger task with the imposing Buffon in goal.

We've all played enough and seen enough sport over the years to know that the referees not going to change his mind. Don't know why players continue to protest with referees.
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Post by: laoislad on April 11, 2018, 10:25:43 PM
I think that in a one off game v Madrid, Liverpool have every chance.  Not so sure about a two legged affair though
Same thing was probably said before the City game..
But yeah I probably agree with you. I don't believe Liverpool will win it this year. I think it may be a season or two to early for them.
Whatever happens though things are going in the right direction under Klopp. A big summer transfer window coming up and getting to the semi final and the way they are playing can only help but attract top talent.
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Post by: rrhf on April 11, 2018, 10:41:39 PM
Ironic moments for Zidane and Buffon - yes/ no?
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Post by: Syferus on April 11, 2018, 11:19:30 PM
Stupidity from Buffon getting himself sent off. Ronaldo probably still would have scored but it's a hell of a bigger task with the imposing Buffon in goal.

We've all played enough and seen enough sport over the years to know that the referees not going to change his mind. Don't know why players continue to protest with referees.

Buffon is only 6'2 and change, while Szczęsny is about 6'5 - in terms of imposing presences for a penalty it was a significant improvement for Juvetus.

Buffon is one of my favourite players of all-time and will go down as probably the greatest keeper of his generation.
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Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on April 11, 2018, 11:30:36 PM
Stupidity from Buffon getting himself sent off. Ronaldo probably still would have scored but it's a hell of a bigger task with the imposing Buffon in goal.

We've all played enough and seen enough sport over the years to know that the referees not going to change his mind. Don't know why players continue to protest with referees.

I saw it happen in a serie A match a few years ago. Google referee changed his mind, you'll see there are a few cases of it happening. I'd link it myself,  but it's a pain on the phone.
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Post by: Rich Ricci on April 11, 2018, 11:34:31 PM
Stupidity from Buffon getting himself sent off. Ronaldo probably still would have scored but it's a hell of a bigger task with the imposing Buffon in goal.

We've all played enough and seen enough sport over the years to know that the referees not going to change his mind. Don't know why players continue to protest with referees.

Buffon is only 6'2 and change, while Szczęsny is about 6'5 - in terms of imposing presences for a penalty it was a significant improvement for Juvetus.

Buffon is one of my favourite players of all-time and will go down as probably the greatest keeper of his generation.

Wasn't really talking about physical stature,  it's more about the personna of Buffon. Szczeny a fine goalkeeper but I'd much rather be taking a last gasp penalty against him in the 95th min opposed to one against the legend that is Buffon.
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Post by: gallsman on April 12, 2018, 12:00:28 AM
Buffon our Szcesny not going to matter a damn to Ronaldo. Unreal penalty.
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Post by: Syferus on April 12, 2018, 12:01:25 AM
At least Harry Kane didn’t claim it too.
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Post by: Capt Pat on April 12, 2018, 12:36:34 AM
Well I missed the game of the year after not missing a champions league game all year. I took myself off to the cinema thinking Real Madrid would win easily.
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Post by: Capt Pat on April 12, 2018, 12:43:06 AM
Was it a penalty? Well you can't tell because the Madrid man clearly dived. The Juventus player is entitled to go for the ball.
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Post by: David McKeown on April 12, 2018, 01:11:42 AM
Was it a penalty? Well you can't tell because the Madrid man clearly dived. The Juventus player is entitled to go for the ball.

Yes you can't go through a player like that, theres a clear push just before he swings his leg round
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Post by: Farrandeelin on April 12, 2018, 08:55:12 AM
Well I missed the game of the year after not missing a champions league game all year. I took myself off to the cinema thinking Real Madrid would win easily.

It would only be game of the year if Juve won.
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2018, 09:17:53 AM
If that happened outside the box then it would have been a foul, so a penalty was the right choice but certainly soft, for a penalty you are always looking it to be a good one...

The one that gets me is the shirt pulling at corners, if you were shirt pulling on the pitch (outside of the box) like they do at corners would the referee blow his whistle? yeah everytime i think
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Post by: north_antrim_hound on April 12, 2018, 09:30:23 AM
Micheal Oliver has the rule book on  his side for sure but soft enough. If the defender would have got the ball which he was genuinely going for then it would have been a bad call. Oliver got it right but it was tough on Juventus after that performance. 
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Post by: Maroon Manc on April 12, 2018, 09:31:06 AM
Real going for their 7th European Cup since 98 but have only won 6 La Liga's in that time. Its some record, reckon last year was the only one of those 6 wins where they were actually the best team in Europe. They've made their own luck during that time but they've certainly had a lot of it too.

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Post by: seafoid on April 12, 2018, 10:03:53 AM
Real are favs but they looked very poor yesterday. They looked like a late stage great team that lost their mojo. Roma are a nice price at 12/1.
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Post by: Cunny Funt on April 12, 2018, 12:02:45 PM
Was said on BT sports last night its the first time that the last 4 of the CL has had one team from England,Spain,Italy and Germany. You have to go back to 1981 for the last time that happened in the European cup and back then Liverpool beat Bayern Munich in the semi final and Real Madrid in the final and i think that was Madrids last final defeat? the omens are all stacking in Liverpools favour.
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Post by: AZOffaly on April 12, 2018, 12:04:45 PM
Was said on BT sports last night its the first time that the last 4 of the CL has had one team from England,Spain,Italy and Germany. You have to go back to 1981 for the last time that happened in the European cup and back then Liverpool beat Bayern Munich in the semi final and Real Madrid in the final and i think that was Madrids last final defeat? the omens are all stacking in Liverpools favour.

Yeah. Unfortunately Hansen, Dalglish, Rush, Souness and the great Alan Kennedy are not playing for Liverpool, and Ronaldo is playing for Madrid :)
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Post by: sid waddell on April 12, 2018, 12:09:11 PM
If Ronaldo plays like he did last night, and history shows that's how he usually plays in the really big matches, Liverpool have little to fear from Real Madrid.
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Post by: DuffleKing on April 12, 2018, 12:14:14 PM
If Ronaldo plays like he did last night, and history shows that's how he usually plays in the really big matches, Liverpool have little to fear from Real Madrid.

Liverpool wouldn't be a big match for Madrid though
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Post by: TabClear on April 12, 2018, 12:32:37 PM
Was said on BT sports last night its the first time that the last 4 of the CL has had one team from England,Spain,Italy and Germany. You have to go back to 1981 for the last time that happened in the European cup and back then Liverpool beat Bayern Munich in the semi final and Real Madrid in the final and i think that was Madrids last final defeat? the omens are all stacking in Liverpools favour.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bizarre-omen-suggests-liverpool-make-14377725

Well there's a Royal wedding on the cards and the Eurovision stars have aligned. They might as well give us the trophy now!
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Post by: Denn Forever on April 12, 2018, 01:06:19 PM
If Ronaldo plays like he did last night, and history shows that's how he usually plays in the really big matches, Liverpool have little to fear from Real Madrid.

They have more to fear from  their own players e.g. Lovern
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Post by: Captain Obvious on April 12, 2018, 01:09:17 PM
Was said on BT sports last night its the first time that the last 4 of the CL has had one team from England,Spain,Italy and Germany. You have to go back to 1981 for the last time that happened in the European cup and back then Liverpool beat Bayern Munich in the semi final and Real Madrid in the final and i think that was Madrids last final defeat? the omens are all stacking in Liverpools favour.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bizarre-omen-suggests-liverpool-make-14377725

Well there's a Royal wedding on the cards and the Eurovision stars have aligned. They might as well give us the trophy now!

Liverpool supporters need to embrace the reality that a 6th European cup is a high possibility this May and its basically Liverpool's trophy to lose now!
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Post by: AZOffaly on April 12, 2018, 01:09:53 PM
Ha ha ha. Liverpool's to lose :)
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Post by: laoislad on April 12, 2018, 01:15:00 PM
The last time Liverpool won 5-1 on aggregate in a European Cup quarter final was in 1984. They beat Roma in the final that year...just saying...
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2018, 01:20:57 PM
Ha ha ha. Liverpool's to lose :)

Jesus, ya gotta be in it to win it! Last 4 and nothing to lose, win a trophy and Klopp will have at least achieved something, good run in the champions league and a possible 4th place in EPL would amount to another poor year.. coming 2nd in the league and winning the CL would be a huge achievement.


Can Liverpool be caught in the league? how many points are required to stay top 4? and should they now take stock (if safe) to rest players during the final games of the league to give them every chance of securing a fantastic 6th title ?
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Post by: Denn Forever on April 12, 2018, 01:24:25 PM
Did I  hear right that Coutinho gets a champions league medal if Liverpool win?
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2018, 01:26:51 PM
Did I  hear right that Coutinho gets a champions league medal if Liverpool win?

Why not? if Liverpool win the league, he would also be able to get a medal
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Post by: Dire Ear on April 12, 2018, 01:46:54 PM
Did I  hear right that Coutinho gets a champions league medal if Liverpool win?

Why not? if Liverpool win the league, he would also be able to get a medal
Harry Kane too,  he touched his shoulder one time
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Post by: AZOffaly on April 12, 2018, 01:48:50 PM
Ha ha ha. Liverpool's to lose :)

Jesus, ya gotta be in it to win it! Last 4 and nothing to lose, win a trophy and Klopp will have at least achieved something, good run in the champions league and a possible 4th place in EPL would amount to another poor year.. coming 2nd in the league and winning the CL would be a huge achievement.


Can Liverpool be caught in the league? how many points are required to stay top 4? and should they now take stock (if safe) to rest players during the final games of the league to give them every chance of securing a fantastic 6th title ?

Of course they are in it to win it. But that's a long way from saying it's there's to lose :)

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Post by: TabClear on April 12, 2018, 02:20:19 PM
Ha ha ha. Liverpool's to lose :)

Jesus, ya gotta be in it to win it! Last 4 and nothing to lose, win a trophy and Klopp will have at least achieved something, good run in the champions league and a possible 4th place in EPL would amount to another poor year.. coming 2nd in the league and winning the CL would be a huge achievement.


Can Liverpool be caught in the league? how many points are required to stay top 4? and should they now take stock (if safe) to rest players during the final games of the league to give them every chance of securing a fantastic 6th title ?

I'm still nervous about securing at least 4th. I know Chelsea are 10 points back but we still have to play them and they have a game in hand so it could be 4 points in reality. There are a couple of tricky ties in the remaining fixtures to teams battling for survival (Stoke/Brigton). I am hoping that WBA are relegated before we play them and Brighton are safe by the final fixture because if Liverpool players start saving themselves for CL Chelsea could have a chance.
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Post by: trueblue1234 on April 12, 2018, 02:27:07 PM
Ha ha ha. Liverpool's to lose :)

Jesus, ya gotta be in it to win it! Last 4 and nothing to lose, win a trophy and Klopp will have at least achieved something, good run in the champions league and a possible 4th place in EPL would amount to another poor year.. coming 2nd in the league and winning the CL would be a huge achievement.


Can Liverpool be caught in the league? how many points are required to stay top 4? and should they now take stock (if safe) to rest players during the final games of the league to give them every chance of securing a fantastic 6th title ?

That's not true. Successive CL qualification and a good run in this years CL is progress. You have to be realistic of the starting point. Liverpool haven't challenged for the league in years. I'll be honest a cup would have been nice, but you can fluke a cup even when there isn't progress so I don't see it as a major barometer of success. CL last 4 is progression, as is Liverpool's league performance this year. 
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Post by: Cunny Funt on April 12, 2018, 02:27:36 PM
Was said on BT sports last night its the first time that the last 4 of the CL has had one team from England,Spain,Italy and Germany. You have to go back to 1981 for the last time that happened in the European cup and back then Liverpool beat Bayern Munich in the semi final and Real Madrid in the final and i think that was Madrids last final defeat? the omens are all stacking in Liverpools favour.

Yeah. Unfortunately Hansen, Dalglish, Rush, Souness and the great Alan Kennedy are not playing for Liverpool, and Ronaldo is playing for Madrid :)
13 years since Liverpools last win lucky for some? And if average manager in Rafa with players such as Finnan,Traore, Kewell,Smicer,Baros,Cisse and Biscan can win it then surely a better manager in Klopp with a free scoring forward line and one of the worlds most expensive defenders can win this European cup also.
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Post by: Syferus on April 12, 2018, 02:34:15 PM
Was said on BT sports last night its the first time that the last 4 of the CL has had one team from England,Spain,Italy and Germany. You have to go back to 1981 for the last time that happened in the European cup and back then Liverpool beat Bayern Munich in the semi final and Real Madrid in the final and i think that was Madrids last final defeat? the omens are all stacking in Liverpools favour.

Yeah. Unfortunately Hansen, Dalglish, Rush, Souness and the great Alan Kennedy are not playing for Liverpool, and Ronaldo is playing for Madrid :)
13 years since Liverpools last win lucky for some? And if average manager in Rafa with players such as Finnan,Traore, Kewell,Smicer,Baros,Cisse and Biscan can win it then surely a better manager in Klopp with a free scoring forward line and one of the worlds most expensive defenders can win this European cup also.

That’s the first time I’ve heard Rafa called average.
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Post by: laoislad on April 12, 2018, 02:37:54 PM
Was said on BT sports last night its the first time that the last 4 of the CL has had one team from England,Spain,Italy and Germany. You have to go back to 1981 for the last time that happened in the European cup and back then Liverpool beat Bayern Munich in the semi final and Real Madrid in the final and i think that was Madrids last final defeat? the omens are all stacking in Liverpools favour.

Yeah. Unfortunately Hansen, Dalglish, Rush, Souness and the great Alan Kennedy are not playing for Liverpool, and Ronaldo is playing for Madrid :)
13 years since Liverpools last win lucky for some? And if average manager in Rafa with players such as Finnan,Traore, Kewell,Smicer,Baros,Cisse and Biscan can win it then surely a better manager in Klopp with a free scoring forward line and one of the worlds most expensive defenders can win this European cup also.
Finnan was an excellent defender ffs,probably the best right back Liverpool have had in recent years, he would have no problem getting onto the current team. Smicer and Cisse were also decent players and Baros wasn't bad either.
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Post by: TabClear on April 12, 2018, 02:48:37 PM
Was said on BT sports last night its the first time that the last 4 of the CL has had one team from England,Spain,Italy and Germany. You have to go back to 1981 for the last time that happened in the European cup and back then Liverpool beat Bayern Munich in the semi final and Real Madrid in the final and i think that was Madrids last final defeat? the omens are all stacking in Liverpools favour.

Yeah. Unfortunately Hansen, Dalglish, Rush, Souness and the great Alan Kennedy are not playing for Liverpool, and Ronaldo is playing for Madrid :)
13 years since Liverpools last win lucky for some? And if average manager in Rafa with players such as Finnan,Traore, Kewell,Smicer,Baros,Cisse and Biscan can win it then surely a better manager in Klopp with a free scoring forward line and one of the worlds most expensive defenders can win this European cup also.
Finnan was an excellent defender ffs,probably the best right back Liverpool have had in recent years, he would have no problem getting onto the current team. Smicer and Cisse were also decent players and Baros wasn't bad either.

And Biscan for all his faults was outstanding in that Champions League run. Traore is the only one you look at and wonder how he ever got a runout, never mind a champions league medal.

Although....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObZVcMYxWXQ

Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: sid waddell on April 12, 2018, 02:54:01 PM
If Ronaldo plays like he did last night, and history shows that's how he usually plays in the really big matches, Liverpool have little to fear from Real Madrid.

Liverpool wouldn't be a big match for Madrid though
Liverpool have never lost a knockout European Cup/Champions League tie to a La Liga team.

Liverpool's knockout European Cup record against Real Madrid is:

Played: 3
Won: 3
Goals for: 6
Goals against: 0

Not much of a match, there, alright.
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Post by: gawa316 on April 12, 2018, 03:21:24 PM

13 years since Liverpools last win lucky for some? And if average manager in Rafa with players such as Finnan,Traore, Kewell,Smicer,Baros,Cisse and Biscan can win it then surely a better manager in Klopp with a free scoring forward line and one of the worlds most expensive defenders can win this European cup also.

What sort of logic is that? If that's the case why can't Pep and Mourinho with 2 of the most expensively assembled squads in the history of football win it?
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Post by: Syferus on April 12, 2018, 03:21:49 PM
History has shown Ronaldo is a big game payer, not the opposite. His goal tallies in the knockout stages in recent years has been nothing short of ridiculous. And this season he’s dragging a team short on confidence and cut adrift in La Liga back to the the big game. Liverpool can’t stop him, and probably no one can on these European nights. It would depend on what happens at the other end then.
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Post by: brokencrossbar1 on April 12, 2018, 03:28:41 PM
History has shown Ronaldo is a big game payer, not the opposite. His goal tallies in the knockout stages in recent years has been nothing short of ridiculous. And this season he’s dragging a team short on confidence and cut adrift in La Liga back to the the big game. Liverpool can’t stop him, and probably no one can on these European nights. It would depend on what happens at the other end then.

In fairness Juve stopped him last night and only for a moment of stupidity from A defender I reckon Juve would have gone through. That is not to say that Ronaldo is not dangerous through and I would prefer to not play Madrid and hopefully make the final. That would be real bonus territory stuff!
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Post by: Cunny Funt on April 12, 2018, 03:38:12 PM
Was said on BT sports last night its the first time that the last 4 of the CL has had one team from England,Spain,Italy and Germany. You have to go back to 1981 for the last time that happened in the European cup and back then Liverpool beat Bayern Munich in the semi final and Real Madrid in the final and i think that was Madrids last final defeat? the omens are all stacking in Liverpools favour.

Yeah. Unfortunately Hansen, Dalglish, Rush, Souness and the great Alan Kennedy are not playing for Liverpool, and Ronaldo is playing for Madrid :)
13 years since Liverpools last win lucky for some? And if average manager in Rafa with players such as Finnan,Traore, Kewell,Smicer,Baros,Cisse and Biscan can win it then surely a better manager in Klopp with a free scoring forward line and one of the worlds most expensive defenders can win this European cup also.
Finnan was an excellent defender ffs,probably the best right back Liverpool have had in recent years, he would have no problem getting onto the current team. Smicer and Cisse were also decent players and Baros wasn't bad either.

My point was Liverpool have a better manager and squad of players now than 2005 and of the teams left you have Real Madrid struggling for form all year,Roma happy to have gotten this far and Bayern Munich who were less than convincing over legs against Sevilla.
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Post by: Orchard park on April 12, 2018, 03:39:59 PM
why would Liverpool not be classed the same as Roma, relatively piss poor in their own league and happy to have overachieved by reaching CL semi finals
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Post by: AZOffaly on April 12, 2018, 03:42:32 PM
why would Liverpool not be classed the same as Roma, relatively piss poor in their own league and happy to have overachieved by reaching CL semi finals

'relatively piss poor'? Sheesh, that's a harsh scale of relativity. At the moment they are third.
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Post by: Farrandeelin on April 12, 2018, 03:48:06 PM
If Ronaldo plays like he did last night, and history shows that's how he usually plays in the really big matches, Liverpool have little to fear from Real Madrid.

Liverpool wouldn't be a big match for Madrid though
Liverpool have never lost a knockout European Cup/Champions League tie to a La Liga team.

Liverpool's knockout European Cup record against Real Madrid is:

Played: 3
Won: 3
Goals for: 6
Goals against: 0

Not much of a match, there, alright.

First time for everything...
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Post by: Orchard park on April 12, 2018, 03:50:49 PM
why would Liverpool not be classed the same as Roma, relatively piss poor in their own league and happy to have overachieved by reaching CL semi finals

'relatively piss poor'? Sheesh, that's a harsh scale of relativity. At the moment they are third.

17 points off the leaders with a game less played is relatively piss poor in my terms in a league in which only 6 normally challenge to be top 4. Suppose depends if you use the leaders or Arsenal as ones benchmark
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Post by: AZOffaly on April 12, 2018, 03:53:35 PM
Harsh scale of relativity, as I said. In your world, Liverpool would have to be within what, 3 or 4 points of City not to be 'piss poor'? I would say that to be relatively piss poor in your league, you would have to be in the bottom half at least. Unless your graduations go from 'excellent', straight to 'poor' and then 'piss poor'. what's below piss poor?
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Post by: Asal Mor on April 12, 2018, 04:00:00 PM
Don't like the look of the Olympic Stadium in Kiev as a venue for the final. Has a running track which is always a buzzkill and then a path outside that about half the width of the track again. The seating is very gradually inclined and those in the upper deck, especially behind the goals will need binoculars as they'll be a couple of hundred metres away.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Orchard park on April 12, 2018, 04:02:09 PM
given that at least 12 of the 20 teams have as close to zero chance of making the top 6 as is sportingly or mathematically possible, it was zero until Leicester thankfully toppled the cart, then being 17 points off top and having no chance of winning the league with a quarter of the games left is piss poor in my books.......

but if one celebrates coming 4th then I suppose being in 3rd currently is a great season...

I feel Man City, Burnley, leicester, Bournemouth and Brighton have had excellent seasons

Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: AZOffaly on April 12, 2018, 04:06:51 PM
given that at least 12 of the 20 teams have as close to zero chance of making the top 6 as is sportingly or mathematically possible, it was zero until Leicester thankfully toppled the cart, then being 17 points off top and having no chance of winning the league with a quarter of the games left is piss poor in my books.......

but if one celebrates coming 4th then I suppose being in 3rd currently is a great season...

You are some man for jumping to extremes. I don't think 3rd is a 'great' season, I just don't think it's piss poor. And I think by any objective measure, you are just being hyperbolic for effect. So carry on.

I think finishing in the top 4, while addressing at least  some of the obvious issues, and reaching a CL semi final is a very acceptable season, and is a step forward.

If they had done that, and won a cup, or if they somehow won the CL, then it would become a very good season.

It will only be a great season when they win the league.

It becomes 'piss poor' when they finish outside the top 6, do nothing in Europe and win nothing at home. There have been a few piss poor seasons, and this is not one of them.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 12, 2018, 04:11:46 PM
That fella has a few issues - he's still annoyed that he didn't get an autograph from a 15 year old Rory McIlroy  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Orchard park on April 12, 2018, 04:16:01 PM
RELATIVELY piss poor was the term used originally.

i still contend not having any chance of winning the league with a quarter of the season to go is minimal "progress"
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: AZOffaly on April 12, 2018, 04:18:12 PM
RELATIVELY piss poor was the term used originally.

i still contend not having any chance of winning the league with a quarter of the season to go is minimal "progress"

Fair enough.
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Post by: Boycey on April 12, 2018, 04:21:38 PM
why would Liverpool not be classed the same as Roma, relatively piss poor in their own league and happy to have overachieved by reaching CL semi finals

'relatively piss poor'? Sheesh, that's a harsh scale of relativity. At the moment they are third.

Ha we’re 2nd and shite beyond all belief... apparently  :)
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: AZOffaly on April 12, 2018, 04:22:06 PM
why would Liverpool not be classed the same as Roma, relatively piss poor in their own league and happy to have overachieved by reaching CL semi finals

'relatively piss poor'? Sheesh, that's a harsh scale of relativity. At the moment they are third.

Ha we’re 2nd and shite beyond all belief... apparently  :)

I've never got that either :)
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: TabClear on April 12, 2018, 04:23:27 PM
Don't like the look of the Olympic Stadium in Kiev as a venue for the final. Has a running track which is always a buzzkill and then a path outside that about half the width of the track again. The seating is very gradually inclined and those in the upper deck, especially behind the goals will need binoculars as they'll be a couple of hundred metres away.

I would be delighted to have a reason to care!  ;) ;)
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Cunny Funt on April 12, 2018, 04:27:21 PM
why would Liverpool not be classed the same as Roma, relatively piss poor in their own league and happy to have overachieved by reaching CL semi finals
Tradition. Roma would be like Wexford in 2008 happy to have overachieved. Liverpool more like Galway, once they reach a semi final they would fancy their chances to win the cup as much as any team remaining.
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Post by: Boycey on April 12, 2018, 04:29:07 PM
Don't like the look of the Olympic Stadium in Kiev as a venue for the final. Has a running track which is always a buzzkill and then a path outside that about half the width of the track again. The seating is very gradually inclined and those in the upper deck, especially behind the goals will need binoculars as they'll be a couple of hundred metres away.

I would be delighted to have a reason to care!  ;) ;)

I saw United play Kiev in it about 10 years ago, before it was renovated I don’t remember it being too bad. The city and country itself was ‘interesting’ to say the least.. you can get a taxi driver to take you to Chernobyl if you like
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Syferus on April 12, 2018, 04:36:46 PM
why would Liverpool not be classed the same as Roma, relatively piss poor in their own league and happy to have overachieved by reaching CL semi finals
Tradition. Roma would be like Wexford in 2008 happy to have overachieved. Liverpool more like Galway, once they reach a semi final they would fancy their chances to win the cup as much as any team remaining.

Roma have been knocking around the top of the Seria A and getting to European Cup knockout stages very regularly in recent years. In Nainggolan and De Rossi they have two of the finest box-to-box midfielders in the game, something Liverpool for example have sorely lacked in recent years.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Orchard park on April 12, 2018, 04:42:31 PM
am i right Roma have never made it this far before in champions league and Liverpool have only once ?????

to me both are in pretty unchartered territories then and neither should be settling for this alone especially Roma after beating the favourites
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Cunny Funt on April 12, 2018, 04:45:59 PM
am i right Roma have never made it this far before in champions league and Liverpool have only once ?????

to me both are in pretty unchartered territories then and neither should be settling for this alone especially Roma after beating the favourites
Off the top of my head Liverpool reach 2007 Champions league final and semi final in 2008. Roma last year were in the Europa league and were knocked out by Lyon in the round of 16.
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Post by: TabClear on April 12, 2018, 04:47:29 PM
am i right Roma have never made it this far before in champions league and Liverpool have only once ?????

to me both are in pretty unchartered territories then and neither should be settling for this alone especially Roma after beating the favourites

Liverpool were finalists in 2005 and 2007. Semi in 2008. I'm pretty sure they were the Number 1 ranked team in Europe for a year going by the Uefa Coeefficient rankings
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Asal Mor on April 12, 2018, 06:33:42 PM
Don't like the look of the Olympic Stadium in Kiev as a venue for the final. Has a running track which is always a buzzkill and then a path outside that about half the width of the track again. The seating is very gradually inclined and those in the upper deck, especially behind the goals will need binoculars as they'll be a couple of hundred metres away.

I would be delighted to have a reason to care!  ;) ;)

I saw United play Kiev in it about 10 years ago, before it was renovated I don’t remember it being too bad. The city and country itself was ‘interesting’ to say the least.. you can get a taxi driver to take you to Chernobyl if you like
Many do make the trip apparently and it sounds fascinating. A cold war era ghost town being gradually reclaimed by the Eastern European forest with wolves,brown bears and lynx returning to the area now that it's free of humans. Seems radioactive waste is much better for nature than man.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Aaron Boone on April 12, 2018, 10:09:47 PM
You do not need a visa to visit Ukraine as long as you stay under 90 days.

Flight time UK to Kiev for the final 3hrs 15 mins.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: sid waddell on April 12, 2018, 10:54:29 PM
Don't like the look of the Olympic Stadium in Kiev as a venue for the final. Has a running track which is always a buzzkill and then a path outside that about half the width of the track again. The seating is very gradually inclined and those in the upper deck, especially behind the goals will need binoculars as they'll be a couple of hundred metres away.

It'll do very nicely.

Four of Liverpool's five European Cup victories have come in stadiums with tracks around the pitch.

Even the sole exception, the Parc Des Princes in 1981, has a much extended area behind the goal compared to most stadiums.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Asal Mor on April 13, 2018, 06:44:46 AM
The 2 finals they lost were in stadiums that had running tracks too Sid. It's the same for both teams but Liverpool would be well used to and comfortable with a more claustrophobic, noisier setting.

Running tracks sterilise the atmosphere. We won't see anything like say, the first leg against Man City at Anfield. Tracks are a large part of the decline of the Serie A League. People won't pay to be looking at one and it looks unappealing on tv compared to tight, packed Premier League grounds with the crowd on top of the players.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2018, 07:38:45 PM
So the final is on tonight, hard to separate these two, both to score possibly a score draw!
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Cunny Funt on April 25, 2018, 08:24:05 PM
Navas was poor on that Bayern Munich goal. Two key and experience players lost to injury in Robben and Boateng.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2018, 08:29:33 PM
Navas was poor on that Bayern Munich goal. Two key and experience players lost to injury in Robben and Boateng.
Real seemed comfortable up on till the goal, Bayern bossing it now
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 25, 2018, 08:31:20 PM
1-1 fine strike by Marcelo. Goal against the run of play.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2018, 08:36:27 PM
1-1 fine strike by Marcelo. Goal against the run of play.

Not as frenetic as last nights game, be hard to work out who’d Liverpool would prefer after the first 45
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 25, 2018, 08:48:25 PM
1-1 fine strike by Marcelo. Goal against the run of play.

Not as frenetic as last nights game, be hard to work out who’d Liverpool would prefer after the first 45
If its Real Madrid and they defend like they have done tonight in the final Liverpools forward line will make hay.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Syferus on April 25, 2018, 09:00:02 PM
1-1 fine strike by Marcelo. Goal against the run of play.

Not as frenetic as last nights game, be hard to work out who’d Liverpool would prefer after the first 45
If its Real Madrid and they defend like they have done tonight in the final Liverpools forward line will make hay.

Lord help Lovren and Van Dijk if they’re trying to stop Ronaldo at the other end.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: AZOffaly on April 25, 2018, 09:00:37 PM
1-1 fine strike by Marcelo. Goal against the run of play.

Not as frenetic as last nights game, be hard to work out who’d Liverpool would prefer after the first 45
If its Real Madrid and they defend like they have done tonight in the final Liverpools forward line will make hay.

Lord help Lovren and Van Dijk if they’re trying to stop Ronaldo at the other end.

It might end 9-8
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Post by: imtommygunn on April 25, 2018, 09:01:13 PM
Game over...
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Post by: Cunny Funt on April 25, 2018, 09:02:35 PM
What were Bayern at there in midfield?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2018, 09:03:39 PM
Watching it on sky sports Germany! Giovane Elber commentating in German!

Score draw I have, think there is another goal here.. Ronaldo hasnt been involved
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: imtommygunn on April 25, 2018, 09:21:45 PM
Bayern have done some fairly suspect things for such a top team.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Cunny Funt on April 25, 2018, 09:23:59 PM
Have to agree with the lads on BT sports, a semi final that isn't of a high quality and littered with mistakes. Liverpool don't have a lot to fear watching this game tonight.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on April 25, 2018, 09:26:27 PM
Liverpool aren't in the Final yet.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Syferus on April 25, 2018, 09:29:22 PM
Have to agree with the lads on BT sports, a semi final that isn't of a high quality and littered with mistakes. Liverpool don't have a lot to fear watching this game tonight.

Because the evidence of 70 minutes and not decades of European success is what Liverpool should be judging if they should be afraid by. Real are on course for a three-in-row.. no other team has even done two-in-a-row in the CL era.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2018, 09:39:36 PM
If Real go through then you’d wonder have they enough hunger to win another?
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 25, 2018, 09:41:39 PM
Good result for Real Madrid however they were very lucky they didn't concede about four goals tonight and have to take into account that was against an injury hit Bayern Munich side that didn't even play well and still created so many chances.

Liverpool are the form team and deserving favourites to win this years Champions league.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: GJL on April 25, 2018, 09:42:58 PM
If Real go through then you’d wonder have they enough hunger to win another?

The motivation to do 3 in a row!
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Post by: Boycey on April 25, 2018, 09:47:58 PM
Aye right enough I’m sure they’ll get to the final and say feck it I can’t be arsed with this..
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2018, 09:48:54 PM
If Real go through then you’d wonder have they enough hunger to win another?

The motivation to do 3 in a row!

Aging team, great team but certainly beatable
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: seafoid on April 25, 2018, 10:43:57 PM
If Real go through then you’d wonder have they enough hunger to win another?
It looks like Real are in Fergie/Cody time.
Which would mean we don't see them again for a good while after this year or next year
Which wouldn't be unbearable
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: laoislad on April 25, 2018, 11:00:59 PM
It looks like Real are in Fergie/Cody time.
Which would mean we don't see them again for a good while after this year or next year
Which wouldn't be unbearable
Cody ain't finished yet
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: seafoid on April 25, 2018, 11:07:09 PM
If Real go through then you’d wonder have they enough hunger to win another?
It looks like Real are in Fergie/Cody time.
Which would mean we don't see them again for a good while after this year or next year
Which wouldn't be unbearable
Cody ain't finished yet..
He doesn't have a settled backline. They don't really know each other yet.
And the new championship setup is a scenario for guaranteed injuries
And KK can't afford to lose any key men

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8mUMSi5M8g
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Syferus on April 25, 2018, 11:18:40 PM
If Real go through then you’d wonder have they enough hunger to win another?
It looks like Real are in Fergie/Cody time.
Which would mean we don't see them again for a good while after this year or next year
Which wouldn't be unbearable

You’re off your rocker if you think Real fûcking Madrid won’t be there or thereabouts every year.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: sid waddell on April 26, 2018, 12:23:41 AM
If Real go through then you’d wonder have they enough hunger to win another?
It looks like Real are in Fergie/Cody time.
Which would mean we don't see them again for a good while after this year or next year
Which wouldn't be unbearable

You’re off your rocker if you think Real fûcking Madrid won’t be there or thereabouts every year.

Empires can quickly come to an end.

Where are AC Milan now? What happened to Serie A's empire?

England has already hoovered up Europe's best coaches.

When Messi and Ronaldo go, and that's not far away, it mightn't be long until the world's best players all decide to make England their destination of choice rather than Spain.

England already has six clubs who are world brands and mostly 50k plus stadiums filled every week. In a few years' time that will be seven or eight clubs with 60k plus stadiums filled every week.

La Liga will continue to be a duopoly.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Syferus on April 26, 2018, 12:35:17 AM
If Real go through then you’d wonder have they enough hunger to win another?
It looks like Real are in Fergie/Cody time.
Which would mean we don't see them again for a good while after this year or next year
Which wouldn't be unbearable

You’re off your rocker if you think Real fûcking Madrid won’t be there or thereabouts every year.

Empires can quickly come to an end.

Where are AC Milan now? What happened to Serie A's empire?

England has already hoovered up Europe's best coaches.

When Messi and Ronaldo go, and that's not far away, it mightn't be long until the world's best players all decide to make England their destination of choice rather than Spain.

England already has six clubs who are world brands and mostly 50k plus stadiums filled every week. In a few years' time that will be seven or eight clubs with 60k plus stadiums filled every week.

La Liga will continue to be a duopoly.

Real are the biggest brand in the world of soccer. And they will just buy whoever is the best player in the world when they stop winning. Salah and/or Neymar are the most obvious purchases right now that regard but they’ll just get the hot hand in when the time comes. They’ve been doing it for decades and there's little reason why they'd stop now.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: Over the Bar on April 26, 2018, 12:40:03 AM
If Real go through then you’d wonder have they enough hunger to win another?
It looks like Real are in Fergie/Cody time.
Which would mean we don't see them again for a good while after this year or next year
Which wouldn't be unbearable

You’re off your rocker if you think Real fûcking Madrid won’t be there or thereabouts every year.

Empires can quickly come to an end.

Where are AC Milan now? What happened to Serie A's empire?


Serie A went bankrupt FFS. That's hardly going to happen to Real.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: sid waddell on April 26, 2018, 12:52:47 AM
Real Madrid didn't win a European Cup between 1966 and 1998 and reached one final in those 32 years.

It took them another 12 years to get back to a final after 2002. They tend to make hay when they're good but more often than not they haven't been that great at European level and Spain's production line of players could easily dry up. It's not even a decade since Liverpool completely demolished them over two legs in the last 16 of the Champions League. Dortmund were demolishing them more recently than that again.

Serie A hoovered up the world's best players for over 20 years and AC Milan hoovered up the world's best players for over a decade. Not anymore.

Things don't stay still forever and the dominance they and Barcelona have enjoyed at European level is likely to end sooner rather than later - Barcelona's period at the top of European football already looks over.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: sid waddell on April 26, 2018, 01:08:28 AM
If Real go through then you’d wonder have they enough hunger to win another?
It looks like Real are in Fergie/Cody time.
Which would mean we don't see them again for a good while after this year or next year
Which wouldn't be unbearable

You’re off your rocker if you think Real fûcking Madrid won’t be there or thereabouts every year.

Empires can quickly come to an end.

Where are AC Milan now? What happened to Serie A's empire?


Serie A went bankrupt FFS. That's hardly going to happen to Real.
The decline of Serie A should be a warning to La Liga as to what can happen. The Premier League in general is a much more attractive product than La Liga, which is almost totally about the Madrid-Barcelona rivalry, and since 2009 about the Messi-Ronaldo rivalry. It also happened to coincide with Spain having their greatest ever team at international level, with Xavi, Iniesta, Pique and Busquets being on the opposite side to Ramos, Casillas, Alonso etc in derbies.

Serie A had the Maradona v Gullit/Van Basten/Rijkaard v Matthaus/Klinsmann/Brehme narrative in the late 80s and early 90s which made it compelling. The other backdrop was Italy having a brilliant national team at the time with players like Baresi, Maldini, Baggio and Vialli, and hosting the World Cup. Once that narrative went, it wasn't as attractive.

The Messi v Ronaldo rivalry will soon be gone and the 2010 Spain players are either gone or near the end. The compelling nature of the Barcelona v Madrid rivalry is likely to decline with it, at least as far as the rest of the world is concerned.
Title: Re: European Leagues.
Post by: seafoid on April 26, 2018, 06:04:17 AM
If Real go through then you’d wonder have they enough hunger to win another?
It looks like Real are in Fergie/Cody time.
Which would mean we don't see them again for a good while after this year or next year
Which wouldn't be unbearable

You’re off your rocker if you think Real fûcking Madrid won’t be there or thereabouts every year.

Empires can quickly come to an end.

Where are AC Milan now? What happened to Serie A's empire?


Serie A went bankrupt FFS. That's hardly going to happen to Real.
The decline of Serie A should be a warning to La Liga as to what can happen. The Premier League in general is a much more attractive product than La Liga, which is almost totally about the Madrid-Barcelona rivalry, and since 2009 about the Messi-Ronaldo rivalry. It also happened to coincide with Spain having their greatest ever team at international level, with Xavi, Iniesta, Pique and Busquets being on the opposite side to Ramos, Casillas, Alonso etc in derbies.

Serie A had the Maradona v Gullit/Van Basten/Rijkaard v Matthaus/Klinsmann/Brehme narrative in the late 80s and early 90s which made it compelling. The other backdrop was Italy having a brilliant national team at the time with players like Baresi, Maldini, Baggio and Vialli, and hosting the World Cup. Once that narrative went, it wasn't as attractive.

The Messi v Ronaldo rivalry will soon be gone and the 2010 Spain players are either gone or near the end. The compelling nature of the Barcelona v Madrid rivalry is likely to decline with it, at least as far as the rest of the world is concerned.

ReAl,  Barca and the EPL are funded by cheap money. ReaL and Barca have loads of debt The EPL is funded by very expensive TV packages and debt  Ordinary punters are not getting payrises. It may work early doors but it is not sustainable.
The UK economy is a mess . So is the Spanish economy. 
The banks are afraid of Real so risk man age mentioned isn't ideal.
Maybe Ronaldo is worth x million but there are an awful lot of make weights in the game. And legions of spivs and parasites feeding off them.
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Post by: Syferus on April 26, 2018, 03:44:59 PM
If Real go through then you’d wonder have they enough hunger to win another?
It looks like Real are in Fergie/Cody time.
Which would mean we don't see them again for a good while after this year or next year
Which wouldn't be unbearable

You’re off your rocker if you think Real fûcking Madrid won’t be there or thereabouts every year.

Empires can quickly come to an end.

Where are AC Milan now? What happened to Serie A's empire?


Serie A went bankrupt FFS. That's hardly going to happen to Real.
The decline of Serie A should be a warning to La Liga as to what can happen. The Premier League in general is a much more attractive product than La Liga, which is almost totally about the Madrid-Barcelona rivalry, and since 2009 about the Messi-Ronaldo rivalry. It also happened to coincide with Spain having their greatest ever team at international level, with Xavi, Iniesta, Pique and Busquets being on the opposite side to Ramos, Casillas, Alonso etc in derbies.

Serie A had the Maradona v Gullit/Van Basten/Rijkaard v Matthaus/Klinsmann/Brehme narrative in the late 80s and early 90s which made it compelling. The other backdrop was Italy having a brilliant national team at the time with players like Baresi, Maldini, Baggio and Vialli, and hosting the World Cup. Once that narrative went, it wasn't as attractive.

The Messi v Ronaldo rivalry will soon be gone and the 2010 Spain players are either gone or near the end. The compelling nature of the Barcelona v Madrid rivalry is likely to decline with it, at least as far as the rest of the world is concerned.

ReAl,  Barca and the EPL are funded by cheap money. ReaL and Barca have loads of debt The EPL is funded by very expensive TV packages and debt  Ordinary punters are not getting payrises. It may work early doors but it is not sustainable.
The UK economy is a mess . So is the Spanish economy. 
The banks are afraid of Real so risk man age mentioned isn't ideal.
Maybe Ronaldo is worth x million but there are an awful lot of make weights in the game. And legions of spivs and parasites feeding off them.

Why does everything you say have to end up as a nonsensical rant against captitalism?
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Post by: seafoid on April 26, 2018, 04:33:02 PM
If Real go through then you’d wonder have they enough hunger to win another?
It looks like Real are in Fergie/Cody time.
Which would mean we don't see them again for a good while after this year or next year
Which wouldn't be unbearable

You’re off your rocker if you think Real fûcking Madrid won’t be there or thereabouts every year.

Empires can quickly come to an end.

Where are AC Milan now? What happened to Serie A's empire?


Serie A went bankrupt FFS. That's hardly going to happen to Real.
The decline of Serie A should be a warning to La Liga as to what can happen. The Premier League in general is a much more attractive product than La Liga, which is almost totally about the Madrid-Barcelona rivalry, and since 2009 about the Messi-Ronaldo rivalry. It also happened to coincide with Spain having their greatest ever team at international level, with Xavi, Iniesta, Pique and Busquets being on the opposite side to Ramos, Casillas, Alonso etc in derbies.

Serie A had the Maradona v Gullit/Van Basten/Rijkaard v Matthaus/Klinsmann/Brehme narrative in the late 80s and early 90s which made it compelling. The other backdrop was Italy having a brilliant national team at the time with players like Baresi, Maldini, Baggio and Vialli, and hosting the World Cup. Once that narrative went, it wasn't as attractive.

The Messi v Ronaldo rivalry will soon be gone and the 2010 Spain players are either gone or near the end. The compelling nature of the Barcelona v Madrid rivalry is likely to decline with it, at least as far as the rest of the world is concerned.

ReAl,  Barca and the EPL are funded by cheap money. ReaL and Barca have loads of debt The EPL is funded by very expensive TV packages and debt  Ordinary punters are not getting payrises. It may work early doors but it is not sustainable.
The UK economy is a mess . So is the Spanish economy. 
The banks are afraid of Real so risk man age mentioned isn't ideal.
Maybe Ronaldo is worth x million but there are an awful lot of make weights in the game. And legions of spivs and parasites feeding off them.

Why does everything you say have to end up as a nonsensical rant against captitalism?
Syf, if Barca and Real aren't funded by mountains of debt please give us a link.
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Post by: Denn Forever on April 26, 2018, 04:57:14 PM
Maybe it is like the banks, both are too big to fail.
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Post by: Syferus on April 26, 2018, 05:15:16 PM
Maybe it is like the banks, both are too big to fail.

Or maybe it’s because Real is taking in over $800 million dollars in revenue and generating profits:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobbymcmahon/2017/09/17/real-madrid-announces-record-revenues-of-800m-but-success-also-brings-additional-costs/
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Post by: seafoid on April 26, 2018, 05:36:20 PM
Maybe it is like the banks, both are too big to fail.

Or maybe it’s because Real is taking in over $800 million dollars in revenue and generating profits:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobbymcmahon/2017/09/17/real-madrid-announces-record-revenues-of-800m-but-success-also-brings-additional-costs/

How much profit, Syf?  Now get a calculator and tell me how many years of profit it would take to buy a player for 250m. 
Next question is how do Real spend 320m in a season on players. I will give you a clue. The answer has 4 letters and starts with d.

Revenues are not profits. Ask anyone in Castlerea Mart.
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Post by: Maroon Manc on April 26, 2018, 05:49:06 PM
Real Madrid aren't far off break even on transfer the last 6 seasons, thats very good going although thats got to change considering Ronaldo is 33, Modric 32, Benzema 30, Bale 29 in a few months and Ramos is 32. The era of Barca & Real's dominance is coming to an end.

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Post by: Syferus on April 26, 2018, 06:05:28 PM
Maybe it is like the banks, both are too big to fail.

Or maybe it’s because Real is taking in over $800 million dollars in revenue and generating profits:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobbymcmahon/2017/09/17/real-madrid-announces-record-revenues-of-800m-but-success-also-brings-additional-costs/

How much profit, Syf?  Now get a calculator and tell me how many years of profit it would take to buy a player for 250m. 
Next question is how do Real spend 320m in a season on players. I will give you a clue. The answer has 4 letters and starts with d.

Revenues are not profits. Ask anyone in Castlerea Mart.

I think you need to go back to school if you think Real aren’t in good financial shape.
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Post by: Captain Obvious on May 01, 2018, 08:35:19 PM
Real Madrid still in control of this tie but not looking convincing especially in defence. At least Cristiano Ronaldo is more involved tonight than he was last week.
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Post by: Cunny Funt on May 01, 2018, 08:49:21 PM
That 2nd Real Madrid goal WTF!
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Post by: Captain Obvious on May 01, 2018, 09:07:11 PM
Bayern Munich not out of this tie yet. Hard to believe how average in defence these two experienced sides are.
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2018, 09:17:02 PM
Both teams will get hammered by Liverpool. Defenders are at sixes and sevens
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Post by: imtommygunn on May 01, 2018, 09:19:10 PM
Wouldn't say that. Liverpool not good defensively and it's not like either attack shabby here either.

Besides they still have tomorrow to get through...
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Post by: Cunny Funt on May 01, 2018, 09:26:32 PM
Both teams will get hammered by Liverpool. Defenders are at sixes and sevens
Teams Liverpool struggle against are ones that are well organized in defence. The good news for Liverpool is the winner of this semi final are far from organized.
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Post by: Syferus on May 01, 2018, 09:42:20 PM
If Muller has finished that last chance it would have been the best ending to a soccer match maybe ever.
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2018, 09:43:27 PM
Liverpool dodged a bullet tonight ! Bayern were outstanding tonight.. that’s a few games I’ve seen Ronaldo lately and he’s tired looking lacking sharpness...

Liverpool by 2
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Post by: AZOffaly on May 01, 2018, 09:44:20 PM
Liverpool are far from through.
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Post by: gallsman on May 01, 2018, 09:45:01 PM
Lewanaski is overrated. Cant wait for Pool/Madrid final

Lewandowski is brilliant. Shite over the two legs though, as was Ronaldo.
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Post by: Syferus on May 01, 2018, 09:48:33 PM
Liverpool dodged a bullet tonight ! Bayern were outstanding tonight.. that’s a few games I’ve seen Ronaldo lately and he’s tired looking lacking sharpness...

Liverpool by 2

Real beat that ‘great’ Bayern team at home and didn’t even lose to them tonight. Not bad for a tired team.. Real will win the final.
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Post by: Captain Obvious on May 01, 2018, 09:48:56 PM
If on form Liverpool should score at least three goals against that Real Madrid defence. Over the two legs Bayern Munich had 40 shots on goal and 15 shots on target how wasteful can one team be? Maybe they would have won tonight if Neuer,Vidal,Boateng,Robben had played even without them they should have reached the final.

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Post by: laoislad on May 01, 2018, 09:54:48 PM
3rd title in a row for Madrid wrapped up tonight. They'll beat Roma handy enough in the Final.
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Post by: Asal Mor on May 01, 2018, 09:56:00 PM
Lewanaski is overrated. Cant wait for Pool/Madrid final
+1. Thought he went into hiding tonight.
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2018, 09:56:48 PM
3rd title in a row for Madrid wrapped up tonight. They'll beat Roma handy enough in the Final.

Here’s hoping, but I think Madrid are done! Though they are in the final
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Post by: Cunny Funt on May 01, 2018, 09:58:10 PM
Liverpool dodged a bullet tonight ! Bayern were outstanding tonight.. that’s a few games I’ve seen Ronaldo lately and he’s tired looking lacking sharpness...

Liverpool by 2

Too many goal scoring chances not taken tonight to be considered outstanding and have to take into account that Real Madrid were poor in both legs as they were in the 2nd leg v Juve. A repeat performance in the final wouldn't be good enough to win it.

Liverpool i think are the last team to beat Real Madrid in a European cup final that was 1-0 win a repeat looks likely now but a 3-2 or 4-3 scoreline this time.
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Post by: Farrandeelin on May 01, 2018, 10:05:45 PM
Gutted for Bayern.
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Post by: Aaron Boone on May 01, 2018, 10:25:10 PM
Gareth Bale with a couple in the final. Pool unhappy.
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Post by: north_antrim_hound on May 01, 2018, 10:29:21 PM
Would be gutted if Liverpool don’t get through tomorrow night.
Real Madrid have used all their luck to get there and don’t look as good as previous years
Could Liverpool beat them “absolutely”
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Post by: 02 on May 01, 2018, 10:45:16 PM
Would be gutted if Liverpool don’t get through tomorrow night.
Real Madrid have used all their luck to get there and don’t look as good as previous years
Could Liverpool beat them “absolutely”

Hi Brendan :)
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Post by: clarshack on May 01, 2018, 11:01:21 PM
Everyone going on about Madrid's luck but Liverpool have had it lucky too. Porto, Man City and Roma to reach a Champions league final. Now that's quite a favourable draw.
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Post by: clarshack on May 01, 2018, 11:03:29 PM
Also thought Levondowski was rotten tonight.
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Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 02, 2018, 08:04:16 AM
Everyone going on about Madrid's luck but Liverpool have had it lucky too. Porto, Man City and Roma to reach a Champions league final. Now that's quite a favourable draw.
don't forget the easiest group of all time
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Post by: laoislad on May 02, 2018, 09:13:13 AM
Everyone going on about Madrid's luck but Liverpool have had it lucky too. Porto, Man City and Roma to reach a Champions league final. Now that's quite a favourable draw.
don't forget the easiest group of all time
Everton would still have finished bottom of it.
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Post by: Maroon Manc on May 02, 2018, 09:34:58 AM
Real a pale shadow of last years team, I've given up any hope of them stopping Liverpool. Real's record is something else in Europe these last 5 years, going for their 4th win when I wouldn't consider them one of the best teams I've seen the last 30 years as they've only won one league title during that time.
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 02, 2018, 10:30:21 AM
Real a pale shadow of last years team, I've given up any hope of them stopping Liverpool. Real's record is something else in Europe these last 5 years, going for their 4th win when I wouldn't consider them one of the best teams I've seen the last 30 years as they've only won one league title during that time.

Hasnt stopped Liverpool, they havent won a league in over 20 years but have managed to blow teams away this year in the CL, granted Madrid wont be lying down but I wouldnt have them favourites for the final, the defending was pure school boy stuff, never held their lines the fullbacks never tracked their men, stayed up front and only last ditch defending enabled them to get to the final!

I've never seen a Madrid team give the ball away so much, unless they were playing Barca
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Post by: Maroon Manc on May 02, 2018, 11:42:12 AM
Real a pale shadow of last years team, I've given up any hope of them stopping Liverpool. Real's record is something else in Europe these last 5 years, going for their 4th win when I wouldn't consider them one of the best teams I've seen the last 30 years as they've only won one league title during that time.

Hasnt stopped Liverpool, they havent won a league in over 20 years but have managed to blow teams away this year in the CL, granted Madrid wont be lying down but I wouldnt have them favourites for the final, the defending was pure school boy stuff, never held their lines the fullbacks never tracked their men, stayed up front and only last ditch defending enabled them to get to the final!

I've never seen a Madrid team give the ball away so much, unless they were playing Barca

28 years  ;)

You have to give Liverpool credit, to reach 3 CL finals since 2005 is a great achievement considering they've not have great teams.

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Post by: AZOffaly on May 02, 2018, 11:50:30 AM
Real a pale shadow of last years team, I've given up any hope of them stopping Liverpool. Real's record is something else in Europe these last 5 years, going for their 4th win when I wouldn't consider them one of the best teams I've seen the last 30 years as they've only won one league title during that time.

Hasnt stopped Liverpool, they havent won a league in over 20 years but have managed to blow teams away this year in the CL, granted Madrid wont be lying down but I wouldnt have them favourites for the final, the defending was pure school boy stuff, never held their lines the fullbacks never tracked their men, stayed up front and only last ditch defending enabled them to get to the final!

I've never seen a Madrid team give the ball away so much, unless they were playing Barca

28 years  ;)

You have to give Liverpool credit, to reach 3 CL finals since 2005 is a great achievement considering they've not have great teams.

What 3 finals?
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Post by: Maroon Manc on May 02, 2018, 11:59:01 AM
Real a pale shadow of last years team, I've given up any hope of them stopping Liverpool. Real's record is something else in Europe these last 5 years, going for their 4th win when I wouldn't consider them one of the best teams I've seen the last 30 years as they've only won one league title during that time.

Hasnt stopped Liverpool, they havent won a league in over 20 years but have managed to blow teams away this year in the CL, granted Madrid wont be lying down but I wouldnt have them favourites for the final, the defending was pure school boy stuff, never held their lines the fullbacks never tracked their men, stayed up front and only last ditch defending enabled them to get to the final!

I've never seen a Madrid team give the ball away so much, unless they were playing Barca

28 years  ;)

You have to give Liverpool credit, to reach 3 CL finals since 2005 is a great achievement considering they've not have great teams.

What 3 finals?

05,07 and the one you'll make tonight.

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Post by: AZOffaly on May 02, 2018, 12:07:44 PM
Ha!
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Post by: Minder on May 02, 2018, 12:21:51 PM
Think Maroon Manc should be banned for this behaviour
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Post by: GJL on May 02, 2018, 09:40:02 PM
Madrid will make hay against that defence all right but Liverpool will also score. Should be a goal fest.
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Post by: Cunny Funt on May 02, 2018, 09:42:04 PM
Madrid will make hay against that defence all right but Liverpool will also score. Should be a goal fest.
4-3 Liverpool win in the final i reckon.
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Post by: Maroon Manc on May 03, 2018, 09:45:37 AM
Avoided the game last night apart from watching 10 minutes when Roma equalised then Liverpool went 2-1 up.

I've a little hope now but expecting the worst, to go 5-0 up during the first leg then be hanging on near the end shows what Liverpool are about, still think their a fair bit of winning a league title thankfully.,
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Post by: AZOffaly on May 03, 2018, 09:52:46 AM
As I was watching it, I was thinking "Would you ever see a Mourinho team concede 6 goals in a situation like that?".  Then I thought "Would you ever see a Mourinho team score 7 goals to be 7-4 up on aggregate after 170 odd minutes of a two leg tie?"

A machine that could combine Mourinho and Klopp would produce some manager.
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Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on May 03, 2018, 09:56:13 AM
Jurgen and rafa 😉
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Post by: Maroon Manc on May 03, 2018, 09:58:16 AM
As I was watching it, I was thinking "Would you ever see a Mourinho team concede 6 goals in a situation like that?".  Then I thought "Would you ever see a Mourinho team score 7 goals to be 7-4 up on aggregate after 170 odd minutes of a two leg tie?"

A machine that could combine Mourinho and Klopp would produce some manager.

He was called Fergie
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Post by: TabClear on May 03, 2018, 10:29:08 AM
As I was watching it, I was thinking "Would you ever see a Mourinho team concede 6 goals in a situation like that?".  Then I thought "Would you ever see a Mourinho team score 7 goals to be 7-4 up on aggregate after 170 odd minutes of a two leg tie?"

A machine that could combine Mourinho and Klopp would produce some manager.

He was called Fergie

Different times though. For the majority of Ferguson’s tenure he was the richest kid in the playground. He had to compete with arsenal on a regular basis and the occasional good Liverpool/ Newcastle etc team but very little else until Abramovich appeared on the scene. City appeared towards the end of his reign. The tide had turned before he quit, his last title was one of his best achievements in my book.

 What I admired about his teams was the “go for the jugular” approach where they generally tried to kill teams off. You very rarely saw them sitting back the way Liverpool did last night or Mourinho does every game.
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Post by: Maroon Manc on May 03, 2018, 10:47:55 AM
As I was watching it, I was thinking "Would you ever see a Mourinho team concede 6 goals in a situation like that?".  Then I thought "Would you ever see a Mourinho team score 7 goals to be 7-4 up on aggregate after 170 odd minutes of a two leg tie?"

A machine that could combine Mourinho and Klopp would produce some manager.

He was called Fergie

Different times though. For the majority of Ferguson’s tenure he was the richest kid in the playground. He had to compete with arsenal on a regular basis and the occasional good Liverpool/ Newcastle etc team but very little else until Abramovich appeared on the scene. City appeared towards the end of his reign. The tide had turned before he quit, his last title was one of his best achievements in my book.

 What I admired about his teams was the “go for the jugular” approach where they generally tried to kill teams off. You very rarely saw them sitting back the way Liverpool did last night or Mourinho does every game.

He had money but mostly spent it wisely but so often had to balance the books especially in the summer of 95 and then again when the Glazers arrived. There isn't a great deal between what United spent from the late 80's for the next 20 years and what Liverpool spent, the difference was they wasted it. I wanted rid of Fergie in 05, thought he'd lost it and was spending too much time away from club/changing ground,  then performed miracles in the transfer market bringing in Van Der Sar, Vidic & Evra for very little; Within 18 months United had become the best team in Europe, it was a turnaround I didn't see coming.

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Post by: HiMucker on May 03, 2018, 10:54:50 AM
As I was watching it, I was thinking "Would you ever see a Mourinho team concede 6 goals in a situation like that?".  Then I thought "Would you ever see a Mourinho team score 7 goals to be 7-4 up on aggregate after 170 odd minutes of a two leg tie?"

A machine that could combine Mourinho and Klopp would produce some manager.

He was called Fergie

Different times though. For the majority of Ferguson’s tenure he was the richest kid in the playground. He had to compete with arsenal on a regular basis and the occasional good Liverpool/ Newcastle etc team but very  ::)little else until Abramovich appeared on the scene. City appeared towards the end of his reign. The tide had turned before he quit, his last title was one of his best achievements in my book.

 What I admired about his teams was the “go for the jugular” approach where they generally tried to kill teams off. You very rarely saw them sitting back the way Liverpool did last night or Mourinho does every game.

He had money but mostly spent it wisely but so often had to balance the books especially in the summer of 95 and then again when the Glazers arrived. There isn't a great deal between what United spent from the late 80's for the next 20 years and what Liverpool spent, the difference was they wasted it. I wanted rid of Fergie in 05, thought he'd lost it and was spending too much time away from club/changing ground,  then performed miracles in the transfer market bringing in Van Der Sar, Vidic & Evra for very little; Within 18 months United had become the best team in Europe, it was a turnaround I didn't see coming.
::) ;D  Jesus Ive heard it all!
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Post by: Maroon Manc on May 03, 2018, 11:05:38 AM
There was plenty amongst United's match going support who thought his time was up, United were miles behind Chelsea and he was missing training sessions to go and watch his horses train. United had gone out in the group stage in the CL in late 05 and add in the Glazers had taken over and their wasn't much money to spend it looked very glum going forward. The football had become very mundane too.

Keane gave him the rocket up his arse he needed, he didn't look back after that.
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Post by: Armamike on May 03, 2018, 12:26:31 PM
Avoided the game last night apart from watching 10 minutes when Roma equalised then Liverpool went 2-1 up.

I've a little hope now but expecting the worst, to go 5-0 up during the first leg then be hanging on near the end shows what Liverpool are about, still think their a fair bit of winning a league title thankfully.,

They will always ship goals because of Klopp's instinct to push them forward.  Losing big leads has been a trend with this team but it's slowly being addressed.  Van Dijk's arrival has already seen a big improvement at the back and a lot less goals conceded.  A few quality additions in the summer will help further.  Last night showed again that Klarius and Lovren are not to be trusted in the bigger games.  A bit more nous in game management and cynicism at times to break play up when a team has a run on them would help too.
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Post by: Maroon Manc on May 03, 2018, 12:50:50 PM
Avoided the game last night apart from watching 10 minutes when Roma equalised then Liverpool went 2-1 up.

I've a little hope now but expecting the worst, to go 5-0 up during the first leg then be hanging on near the end shows what Liverpool are about, still think their a fair bit of winning a league title thankfully.,

They will always ship goals because of Klopp's instinct to push them forward.  Losing big leads has been a trend with this team but it's slowly being addressed.  Van Dijk's arrival has already seen a big improvement at the back and a lot less goals conceded.  A few quality additions in the summer will help further.  Last night showed again that Klarius and Lovren are not to be trusted in the bigger games.  A bit more nous in game management and cynicism at times to break play up when a team has a run on them would help too.

They've certainly improved but to win a title he's going to have find some quality players mainly a goalie, a centre half and and a real quality attacking player to push the front 3. I don't know how many points they've dropped at home but appears they've a real problem with teams who come to defend at Anfield.

Klopp worked wonders in the transfer market the past 12 months, it won't be easy to replicate it especially when their won't be huge sums available.

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Post by: Syferus on May 03, 2018, 02:52:00 PM
Avoided the game last night apart from watching 10 minutes when Roma equalised then Liverpool went 2-1 up.

I've a little hope now but expecting the worst, to go 5-0 up during the first leg then be hanging on near the end shows what Liverpool are about, still think their a fair bit of winning a league title thankfully.,

They will always ship goals because of Klopp's instinct to push them forward.  Losing big leads has been a trend with this team but it's slowly being addressed.  Van Dijk's arrival has already seen a big improvement at the back and a lot less goals conceded.  A few quality additions in the summer will help further.  Last night showed again that Klarius and Lovren are not to be trusted in the bigger games.  A bit more nous in game management and cynicism at times to break play up when a team has a run on them would help too.

They've certainly improved but to win a title he's going to have find some quality players mainly a goalie, a centre half and and a real quality attacking player to push the front 3. I don't know how many points they've dropped at home but appears they've a real problem with teams who come to defend at Anfield.

Klopp worked wonders in the transfer market the past 12 months, it won't be easy to replicate it especially when their won't be huge sums available.

What?

They've made $100 million alone for making the CL final and a top four finish in the EPL is a massive windfall too. They have plenty of money to spend. They are the eighth biggest club on Earth in market value.
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Post by: Applesisapples on May 03, 2018, 03:00:06 PM
Unfortunately I fear that Real are now a shoo in and that pri**k Ronaldo will get the Ballon D'Or.
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Post by: AQMP on May 03, 2018, 04:17:01 PM
Unfortunately I fear that Real are now a shoo in and that pri**k Ronaldo will get the Ballon D'Or.

Dunno, Real's defence isn't up to much, they're struggling at right back, Varane can be inconsistent and Ramos looks maybe past his best.  I think Liverpool are in with a great chance though Real may take heart from the fact that L'pool conceded 2 goals in the final 10 mins of each game in the semi.
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Post by: laoislad on May 03, 2018, 04:32:43 PM
Unfortunately I fear that Real are now a shoo in and that pri**k Ronaldo will get the Ballon D'Or.

Dunno, Real's defence isn't up to much, they're struggling at right back, Varane can be inconsistent and Ramos looks maybe past his best.  I think Liverpool are in with a great chance though Real may take heart from the fact that L'pool conceded 2 goals in the final 10 mins of each game in the semi.
2 of which were penalties that shouldn't have been given!
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Post by: Applesisapples on May 03, 2018, 04:34:53 PM
Unfortunately I fear that Real are now a shoo in and that pri**k Ronaldo will get the Ballon D'Or.

Dunno, Real's defence isn't up to much, they're struggling at right back, Varane can be inconsistent and Ramos looks maybe past his best.  I think Liverpool are in with a great chance though Real may take heart from the fact that L'pool conceded 2 goals in the final 10 mins of each game in the semi.
2 of which were penalties that shouldn't have been given!
Well heres hoping
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Post by: Maroon Manc on May 03, 2018, 05:06:15 PM
Avoided the game last night apart from watching 10 minutes when Roma equalised then Liverpool went 2-1 up.

I've a little hope now but expecting the worst, to go 5-0 up during the first leg then be hanging on near the end shows what Liverpool are about, still think their a fair bit of winning a league title thankfully.,

They will always ship goals because of Klopp's instinct to push them forward.  Losing big leads has been a trend with this team but it's slowly being addressed.  Van Dijk's arrival has already seen a big improvement at the back and a lot less goals conceded.  A few quality additions in the summer will help further.  Last night showed again that Klarius and Lovren are not to be trusted in the bigger games.  A bit more nous in game management and cynicism at times to break play up when a team has a run on them would help too.

They've certainly improved but to win a title he's going to have find some quality players mainly a goalie, a centre half and and a real quality attacking player to push the front 3. I don't know how many points they've dropped at home but appears they've a real problem with teams who come to defend at Anfield.

Klopp worked wonders in the transfer market the past 12 months, it won't be easy to replicate it especially when their won't be huge sums available.

What?

They've made $100 million alone for making the CL final and a top four finish in the EPL is a massive windfall too. They have plenty of money to spend. They are the eighth biggest club on Earth in market value.

Little bit more complex than that.

Compare United & Liverpool's EBITDA and then a quick look at both clubs cash position. Liverpool are already committed to spending about £50m on Keita this summer too and I think he's got rid of most of the player he  doesn't want that would command big transfer fee's. Klopp is going to have to work wonders this summer to get a squad capable of winning the title.
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Post by: Syferus on May 03, 2018, 05:09:10 PM
Avoided the game last night apart from watching 10 minutes when Roma equalised then Liverpool went 2-1 up.

I've a little hope now but expecting the worst, to go 5-0 up during the first leg then be hanging on near the end shows what Liverpool are about, still think their a fair bit of winning a league title thankfully.,

They will always ship goals because of Klopp's instinct to push them forward.  Losing big leads has been a trend with this team but it's slowly being addressed.  Van Dijk's arrival has already seen a big improvement at the back and a lot less goals conceded.  A few quality additions in the summer will help further.  Last night showed again that Klarius and Lovren are not to be trusted in the bigger games.  A bit more nous in game management and cynicism at times to break play up when a team has a run on them would help too.

They've certainly improved but to win a title he's going to have find some quality players mainly a goalie, a centre half and and a real quality attacking player to push the front 3. I don't know how many points they've dropped at home but appears they've a real problem with teams who come to defend at Anfield.

Klopp worked wonders in the transfer market the past 12 months, it won't be easy to replicate it especially when their won't be huge sums available.

What?

They've made $100 million alone for making the CL final and a top four finish in the EPL is a massive windfall too. They have plenty of money to spend. They are the eighth biggest club on Earth in market value.

Little bit more complex than that.

Compare United & Liverpool's EBITDA and then a quick look at both clubs cash position. Liverpool are already committed to spending about £50m on Keita this summer too and I think he's got rid of most of the player he  doesn't want that would command big transfer fee's. Klopp is going to have to work wonders this summer to get a squad capable of winning the title.

Wouldn’t the Coutiniho sale cover both the VVD and Keita outlays by itself?

Klopp’s problem is that he can’t build a defence more than it is lack of money. His system isn’t very supportive of it, just like Pep’s isn’t but he has better players overall up front (Salah excluded none of the Liverpool forwards or attacking players would make the first choice City team). So if he’s going to build the ultimate expression of his system he needs better players than Henderson, Oxlade-Chamberlin, Lalanna, Milner servicing the forwards, and there needs to be cover for the front three to boot. Keita might solve those problems somewhat.

And even with that said, Lovren is obviously a donkey and needs to go so they do need a CB to partner VVD.
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Post by: Maroon Manc on May 03, 2018, 05:53:20 PM
Avoided the game last night apart from watching 10 minutes when Roma equalised then Liverpool went 2-1 up.

I've a little hope now but expecting the worst, to go 5-0 up during the first leg then be hanging on near the end shows what Liverpool are about, still think their a fair bit of winning a league title thankfully.,

They will always ship goals because of Klopp's instinct to push them forward.  Losing big leads has been a trend with this team but it's slowly being addressed.  Van Dijk's arrival has already seen a big improvement at the back and a lot less goals conceded.  A few quality additions in the summer will help further.  Last night showed again that Klarius and Lovren are not to be trusted in the bigger games.  A bit more nous in game management and cynicism at times to break play up when a team has a run on them would help too.

They've certainly improved but to win a title he's going to have find some quality players mainly a goalie, a centre half and and a real quality attacking player to push the front 3. I don't know how many points they've dropped at home but appears they've a real problem with teams who come to defend at Anfield.

Klopp worked wonders in the transfer market the past 12 months, it won't be easy to replicate it especially when their won't be huge sums available.

What?

They've made $100 million alone for making the CL final and a top four finish in the EPL is a massive windfall too. They have plenty of money to spend. They are the eighth biggest club on Earth in market value.

Little bit more complex than that.

Compare United & Liverpool's EBITDA and then a quick look at both clubs cash position. Liverpool are already committed to spending about £50m on Keita this summer too and I think he's got rid of most of the player he  doesn't want that would command big transfer fee's. Klopp is going to have to work wonders this summer to get a squad capable of winning the title.

Wouldn’t the Coutiniho sale cover both the VVD and Keita outlays by itself?

Klopp’s problem is that he can’t build a defence more than it is lack of money. His system isn’t very supportive of it, just like Pep’s isn’t but he has better players overall up front (Salah excluded none of the Liverpool forwards or attacking players would make the first choice City team). So if he’s going to build the ultimate expression of his system he needs better players than Henderson, Oxlade-Chamberlin, Lalanna, Milner servicing the forwards, and there needs to be cover for the front three to boot. Keita might solve those problems somewhat.

And even with that said, Lovren is obviously a donkey and needs to go so they do need a CB to partner VVD.

Selling Coutinho obviously helps but Liverpool's owners like the Glazers run a tight ship, I don't see them committing to huge spending on the back of selling one player. They've handed out some huge contracts to Van Dijk and Firminho too and I'm sure a new contract for Salah isn't far away either. In the last accounts Liverpool had £4m in cash compared to United's £290m.
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Post by: StGallsGAA on May 03, 2018, 08:18:24 PM
Rough looking for Kosceilney!  Season and World Cup over before it's begun.  What's most surprising is that Diego Costa wasn't responsible!  :D
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Post by: Captain Obvious on May 03, 2018, 09:08:04 PM
Awful time for Arsenal to concede a goal.
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Post by: Captain Obvious on May 03, 2018, 10:00:55 PM
No happy ending for Wenger with Arsenal.
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Post by: Carmen Stateside on May 03, 2018, 11:10:11 PM
Avoided the game last night apart from watching 10 minutes when Roma equalised then Liverpool went 2-1 up.

I've a little hope now but expecting the worst, to go 5-0 up during the first leg then be hanging on near the end shows what Liverpool are about, still think their a fair bit of winning a league title thankfully.,

They will always ship goals because of Klopp's instinct to push them forward.  Losing big leads has been a trend with this team but it's slowly being addressed.  Van Dijk's arrival has already seen a big improvement at the back and a lot less goals conceded.  A few quality additions in the summer will help further.  Last night showed again that Klarius and Lovren are not to be trusted in the bigger games.  A bit more nous in game management and cynicism at times to break play up when a team has a run on them would help too.

They've certainly improved but to win a title he's going to have find some quality players mainly a goalie, a centre half and and a real quality attacking player to push the front 3. I don't know how many points they've dropped at home but appears they've a real problem with teams who come to defend at Anfield.

Klopp worked wonders in the transfer market the past 12 months, it won't be easy to replicate it especially when their won't be huge sums available.

What?

They've made $100 million alone for making the CL final and a top four finish in the EPL is a massive windfall too. They have plenty of money to spend. They are the eighth biggest club on Earth in market value.

Little bit more complex than that.

Compare United & Liverpool's EBITDA and then a quick look at both clubs cash position. Liverpool are already committed to spending about £50m on Keita this summer too and I think he's got rid of most of the player he  doesn't want that would command big transfer fee's. Klopp is going to have to work wonders this summer to get a squad capable of winning the title.

Wouldn’t the Coutiniho sale cover both the VVD and Keita outlays by itself?

Klopp’s problem is that he can’t build a defence more than it is lack of money. His system isn’t very supportive of it, just like Pep’s isn’t but he has better players overall up front (Salah excluded none of the Liverpool forwards or attacking players would make the first choice City team). So if he’s going to build the ultimate expression of his system he needs better players than Henderson, Oxlade-Chamberlin, Lalanna, Milner servicing the forwards, and there needs to be cover for the front three to boot. Keita might solve those problems somewhat.

And even with that said, Lovren is obviously a donkey and needs to go so they do need a CB to partner VVD.

Firmino would walk onto any team in europe right now. 
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Post by: Avondhu star on May 03, 2018, 11:43:50 PM
No happy ending for Wenger with Arsenal.
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That would be more Rooney's area
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 13, 2018, 07:19:00 PM
Liverpool 2/1 is a cracking bet
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Post by: SHEEDY on May 13, 2018, 09:04:27 PM
Barcelona's bid for an invincible season looks under real threat, currently 5-1 down against levante  :o
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Post by: gawa316 on May 13, 2018, 09:08:59 PM
Barcelona's bid for an invincible season looks under real threat, currently 5-1 down against levante  :o

5-3 now, they couldn’t could they?
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Post by: Minder on May 13, 2018, 09:12:20 PM
Some fella called Coutinho has scored a hat trick

Edit - 5-4
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Post by: SHEEDY on May 13, 2018, 09:14:32 PM
5-4 now. You just know they're gonna go on to win it now.
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Post by: SHEEDY on May 13, 2018, 09:41:27 PM
Some match. 9 goals, 12 bookings and barcelona lose their unbeaten record. No one saw that coming.
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Post by: Insane Bolt on May 16, 2018, 03:01:33 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/05/16/sporting-lisbon-players-staff-attacked-intruders-clubs-training/

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Post by: Captain Obvious on May 16, 2018, 07:11:48 PM
Europa League Final on tonight. Atletico Madrid 2nd in La Liga priced at  4/9 while Marseille 4th in the french ligue are 9/4.

Spanish sides have won 5 of the last 8 Europa leagues while a French team has never won this cup.
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Post by: Cunny Funt on May 16, 2018, 08:57:24 PM
2-0 Atletico both goals from Griezmann.
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Post by: Captain Obvious on May 16, 2018, 09:33:54 PM
3-0 very much a routine win. Hard to believe that Atletico Madrid can be so well organised in defence while their more famous and wealthy neighbours up the road Real Madrid are the very opposite.
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Post by: Insane Bolt on May 16, 2018, 09:39:36 PM
Arsenal should break the bank to get Simeone
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Post by: Rossie11 on May 16, 2018, 09:47:46 PM
Europa League Final on tonight. Atletico Madrid 2nd in La Liga priced at  4/9 while Marseille 4th in the french ligue are 9/4.

Spanish sides have won 5 of the last 8 Europa leagues while a French team has never won this cup.
Atletico were evens to win in 90. Always underrated by bookies
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 16, 2018, 09:48:45 PM
Arsenal should break the bank to get Simeone

Great manager but would he fit the arsenal way? Bit like Jose at Utd
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Post by: Syferus on May 16, 2018, 09:53:35 PM
3-0 very much a routine win. Hard to believe that Atletico Madrid can be so well organised in defence while their more famous and wealthy neighbours up the road Real Madrid are the very opposite.

In case you missed it, it’s because you don’t build the biggest brand in soccer off the back of boring, defensive football. See: Man United, Barcelona, Bayern, even Man City now.
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Post by: Clinker on May 16, 2018, 10:12:41 PM

3-0 very much a routine win. Hard to believe that Atletico Madrid can be so well organised in defence while their more famous and wealthy neighbours up the road Real Madrid are the very opposite.


The win is either very good news for Lyon or very good news for Marseille.
Saturday night will now be interesting.
Lyon v The Biscuits who also need a win or draw and Marseille v Earl of Aldborough/Baron Baltinglass/The Train Station. (a lot of interest in this because of the Irish connection)
Lyon with a one point advantage going into the last.
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Post by: Captain Obvious on May 16, 2018, 10:19:12 PM
3-0 very much a routine win. Hard to believe that Atletico Madrid can be so well organised in defence while their more famous and wealthy neighbours up the road Real Madrid are the very opposite.

In case you missed it, it’s becauze you don’t build the biggest brand in soccer off the back of boring, defensive football. See: Man United, Barcelona, Bayern, even Man City now.
Manchester City suffered an early Champions league exit because they left themselves wide open defensively against Liverpool. The good Barcelona,Bayern Munich and Manchester United sides that were winning European cups were also good in defence the current Real Madrid side are not and they are ideal opponents for a free scoring Liverpool side to play in the final.

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Post by: Boycey on May 19, 2018, 09:18:32 PM
Great finish to German Cup Final there, big underdogs Frankfurt beating Bayern 3-1. Video ref denied Bayern a penalty to  equalize in injury time which could have been given. Frankfurt break up the field and walk into an empty net for 3-1. Chaos
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Post by: mrdeeds on May 20, 2018, 10:21:31 PM
Bizarre game in Italy with Inter beating Lazio to pip them to Champions League place. Lazio were 2 1 up when they gave away a penalty. The player in question is joining Inter next season.
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Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on May 21, 2018, 03:02:30 AM
Decided against watching that game because I thought GD was the tiebreaker; didn't realize it was head to head.
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Post by: TabClear on May 21, 2018, 09:14:34 AM
Iniesta played his last ever game for Barca last night. Incredible career and one of the few players who seems to be genuinely respected and admired by fans of rival clubs.

One of the all time greats. The midfield partnership he and Xavi had for over a decade with Messi in front was a joy to watch.
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Post by: seafoid on May 21, 2018, 04:21:51 PM
Iniesta played his last ever game for Barca last night. Incredible career and one of the few players who seems to be genuinely respected and admired by fans of rival clubs.

One of the all time greats. The midfield partnership he and Xavi had for over a decade with Messi in front was a joy to watch.


This photo says it all

http://www.footballticketsbarcelona.com/fc-barcelona-news/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/tumblr_m5uyqzmh371rquh4lo1_1280.jpg