Railway cup no more?

Started by Farrandeelin, November 21, 2017, 09:35:37 AM

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rosnarun

Quote from: Buckass on December 01, 2017, 12:27:36 PM
Very co-ordinated assassination of the Railway Cup. For many players they still see it as a huge honour to be selected for their province . Prenty just the messenger on a decision made at headquarters...there's no solo run in Ballyhaunis.
I used to get my back up when non-GAA folk referred to the GAA as teh Grab All Association but when there's no financial bonus involved then get rid of. Same with Masters football...the mental health & physical benefits for 40 year+ players & the benefits going forward of kids seeing their fathers wearing county jersey are ignored on a cost basis. Sad.
the worst about the masters ban is a lot of the players are the current general of coaches and parents . not the kind of people you want to be alienating
If you make yourself understood, you're always speaking well. Moliere

johnneycool

Quote from: rosnarun on December 01, 2017, 04:00:15 PM
Quote from: Buckass on December 01, 2017, 12:27:36 PM
Very co-ordinated assassination of the Railway Cup. For many players they still see it as a huge honour to be selected for their province . Prenty just the messenger on a decision made at headquarters...there's no solo run in Ballyhaunis.
I used to get my back up when non-GAA folk referred to the GAA as teh Grab All Association but when there's no financial bonus involved then get rid of. Same with Masters football...the mental health & physical benefits for 40 year+ players & the benefits going forward of kids seeing their fathers wearing county jersey are ignored on a cost basis. Sad.
the worst about the masters ban is a lot of the players are the current general of coaches and parents . not the kind of people you want to be alienating

Is it not an insurance thing?

I'm sure if it was set up where everyone involved has their own personal insurance then the GAA might entertain it.

Buckass

#32
Not an insurance thing...all paid up club members but they got own public liability insurance same as community games or any of concerts that use pitches. They're officially confined to community pitches tho many clubs & even county boards let them in despite getting direct communication from croker. Talking to a guy who said he couldn't play for masters on his club pitch he was central in fundraising for & coaches u-10s & 12s on yet free to go competing with 18 yr old in junior b game on any gaa pitch in county! Bonkers

Rossfan

Quote from: johnneycool on December 01, 2017, 03:53:28 PM
Quote from: Buckass on December 01, 2017, 12:27:36 PM
Very co-ordinated assassination of the Railway Cup. For many players they still see it as a huge honour to be selected for their province . Prenty just the messenger on a decision made at headquarters...there's no solo run in Ballyhaunis.
I used to get my back up when non-GAA folk referred to the GAA as teh Grab All Association but when there's no financial bonus involved then get rid of. Same with Masters football...the mental health & physical benefits for 40 year+ players & the benefits going forward of kids seeing their fathers wearing county jersey are ignored on a cost basis. Sad.

IIRC when the Railway cups were in their pomp the finals were played on St Patricks day in Croke Park.

If the club calendar is shortened to the calendar year as is muted then surely this date becomes free again.
It might but these now outdated games won't be getting it.
Their pomp days were when there were no televised games so if you wanted to see the top players your best chance was the Railway Cup.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

6th sam

Quote from: Rossfan on December 01, 2017, 04:38:29 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 01, 2017, 03:53:28 PM
Quote from: Buckass on December 01, 2017, 12:27:36 PM
Very co-ordinated assassination of the Railway Cup. For many players they still see it as a huge honour to be selected for their province . Prenty just the messenger on a decision made at headquarters...there's no solo run in Ballyhaunis.
I used to get my back up when non-GAA folk referred to the GAA as teh Grab All Association but when there's no financial bonus involved then get rid of. Same with Masters football...the mental health & physical benefits for 40 year+ players & the benefits going forward of kids seeing their fathers wearing county jersey are ignored on a cost basis. Sad.

IIRC when the Railway cups were in their pomp the finals were played on St Patricks day in Croke Park.

If the club calendar is shortened to the calendar year as is muted then surely this date becomes free again.
It might but these now outdated games won't be getting it.
Their pomp days were when there were no televised games so if you wanted to see the top players your best chance was the Railway Cup.

1. Railway cup : was well on the wane even before it switched from st Patrick's day . We should be concentrating on more football for all, rather than squeezing in extra games and training (often at long distance) for elite players who have enough to be doing concentrating on club and county. An adhoc setup playing against another adhoc setup in front of tiny crowds , with players not exactly having a strong provincial affiliation, Isn't attractive.

2. over 40s: risk increases with age . Only a very limited number of players in each county will maintain their conditioning , flexibility etc over 40 year's of age, and if they do their club will be glad to accommodate them. Such Intercounty competitions also open the door for over zealous veterans trying to prove a point .

Cunny Funt

Quote from: Buckass on December 01, 2017, 12:27:36 PM
Prenty just the messenger on a decision made at headquarters...there's no solo run in Ballyhaunis.
It was Connacht GAA decision to withdraw from the Railway cup and it was also their decision removing colleges from the FBD and making next years Minor (U17) championship a round robin competition instead of a straight knock.

Buckass

#36
Yes 6th Sam...no money in it so kill it off. I suppose provincial identities have dropped of but kno many players who competed in & valued it. Does everything have to be bottom line?
Dunno what county ur from but many clubs in west have one team & over 40s would have to b exceptional to make it. Think a competition where guys play against own age group using rolling subs is good. Us dont see why guys oer 40 not good enough-fit enough for60 mins with club but love game should have to quit playing. See they've 15 county teams now & growing.  Fully understand gaa not wanting to run it but to discriminate against them using pitches when they've their own insurance? 

Rossfan

Quote from: Cunny Funt on December 01, 2017, 05:13:34 PM
Quote from: Buckass on December 01, 2017, 12:27:36 PM
Prenty just the messenger on a decision made at headquarters...there's no solo run in Ballyhaunis.
It was Connacht GAA decision to withdraw from the Railway cup and it was also their decision removing colleges from the FBD and making next years Minor (U17) championship a round robin competition instead of a straight knock.
Leinster U20 has group stages next year. Connacht straight knock out.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

BennyCake

While it's geographically difficult for semis and finals, and scheduling into the calendar, the AI weekend would be ideal. Play it all over a weekend with unlimited interchanges to deal with the 2 games.

mrhardyannual

What part of "It's dead" don't you get. There is a bigger turn-out for U-10 training on a Saturday morning than there is for this competition. It's not the first competition to die and it won't be the last. It's just changing times. Embrace it.

BennyCake

Quote from: mrhardyannual on December 01, 2017, 07:06:40 PM
What part of "It's dead" don't you get. There is a bigger turn-out for U-10 training on a Saturday morning than there is for this competition. It's not the first competition to die and it won't be the last. It's just changing times. Embrace it.

And I played schools football with zero attendance. Should that have been scrapped too?

Rossfan

Schools games were ordinary lads playing basic stuff.
Inter pros was elite players with nobody watching.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

BennyCake

Quote from: Rossfan on December 02, 2017, 12:04:45 AM
Schools games were ordinary lads playing basic stuff.
Inter pros was elite players with nobody watching.

We played schools football to represent our school. Elite players play to represent their province. We were happy to represent our school regardless of attendance. What's difference does the attendance make as long as players want to play in the Railway Cup and represent their province?

Rossfan

Start a protest movement or something.
Meanwhile the rest of the GAA world  will carry on with their busy schedules.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Buckass

#44
Quality rossfan...no point arguing with that level of intellect