I have never started a thread before so apologies if it doesn't work out but this could not be ignored...
http://www.armaghgaa.net/forum/threads/gaza-garvaghy-armagh-croke-park.3655/
Lets fill it with them on Saturday, for two reasons...1 - In solidarity with the people being slaughtered in Gaza (obviously) 2 - To show that cretin Rupert Murdoch that he doesn't control the Irish people, especially in Croke Park.
Quote from: Aoise on August 04, 2014, 09:29:49 PM
I have never started a thread before so apologies if it doesn't work out but this could not be ignored...
http://www.armaghgaa.net/forum/threads/gaza-garvaghy-armagh-croke-park.3655/
Lets fill it with them on Saturday, for two reasons...1 - In solidarity with the people being slaughtered in Gaza (obviously) 2 - To show that cretin Rupert Murdoch that he doesn't control the Irish people, especially in Croke Park.
Good one Aoise. I'll bring along a flag. They're hard to get but I should be able to sort one out for next Saturday.
What reason did the green jacketed officials give for looking for the removal of the flag?
Quote from: babarino on August 04, 2014, 09:50:13 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 04, 2014, 09:29:49 PM
I have never started a thread before so apologies if it doesn't work out but this could not be ignored...
http://www.armaghgaa.net/forum/threads/gaza-garvaghy-armagh-croke-park.3655/
Lets fill it with them on Saturday, for two reasons...1 - In solidarity with the people being slaughtered in Gaza (obviously) 2 - To show that cretin Rupert Murdoch that he doesn't control the Irish people, especially in Croke Park.
Good one Aoise. I'll bring along a flag. They're hard to get but I should be able to sort one out for next Saturday.
What reason did the green jacketed officials give for looking for the removal of the flag?
The paymasters at Sky aren't going to like it. He who pays the piper...
A very worthy cause, common humanity should inspire everyone to show their support. Fly the Palestinian flag along with your county colours and to hell with Murdock and Sky. He may have purchased the rights to televise our games, but he has not bought our conscience
The reason they gave unbelievably was that it "would offend sky viewers" WTF!!!!! I have never been more ashamed to be Irish. Please everybody post this link to as many forums and boards as you possibly can, especially those counties that will be in Croke Park on Saturday. Also if anyone knows, could you post a link to where we can get our hands on one? I have a vision of 4 of those big giant flags of Gaza, 1 for the Hill, 1 for the Cusack, 1 for the Davin and 1 for the Hogan. Where would they be able to put their camera angles then??? ;-)
Even better, 4 giant Gaza flags with the county crests in the centre of each! They would shite themselves.
The Felons club, Belfast has one I'm told. They had it at a vigil in Newry - it looks great.
Thanks Babarino. Anyone have any idea where we can buy Gaza flags?
http://www.theflagshop.co.uk/palestine-flag-185-p.asp
http://www.mrflag.com/shop/palestine-flag-economy-flag/
Its what we do, Doire GAA supporting the people of Gaza https://twitter.com/Bogsideandproud/status/496422383482179584/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/Bogsideandproud/status/496422383482179584/photo/1)
There's surely a couple of hawkers keeping an eye on this and will have the Gaza hats, flags and headbands for sale at the games.
Was "Sky" actually the reason for the flag being removed, or are people just surmising that this was the reason?
You Armagh lads seem to have gone fairly delirious when ye got a sniff of Jones' Road again.
Watch the football. Go home. Repeat if you're lucky. That's how the rest of us do it.
Quote from: Aoise on August 04, 2014, 10:19:37 PM
The reason they gave unbelievably was that it "would offend sky viewers" WTF!!!!! I have never been more ashamed to be Irish. Please everybody post this link to as many forums and boards as you possibly can, especially those counties that will be in Croke Park on Saturday. Also if anyone knows, could you post a link to where we can get our hands on one? I have a vision of 4 of those big giant flags of Gaza, 1 for the Hill, 1 for the Cusack, 1 for the Davin and 1 for the Hogan. Where would they be able to put their camera angles then??? ;-)
I seriously doubt that. And for the record, at the hurling in Thurles last week there were several Palestinian flags flying on both terraces.
Mobile phone footage of the incident.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm8q8AK4x9Y
Jeez, the Cork men will be in bother the next day
(http://c3.thejournal.ie/media/2013/08/dublin-and-cork-supporters-with-flags-in-hill-16-1182013-630x444.jpg)
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2014, 01:35:16 PM
You Armagh lads seem to have gone fairly delirious when ye got a sniff of Jones' Road again.
Watch the football. Go home. Repeat if you're lucky. That's how the rest of us do it.
You go there often then ?
Quote from: haveaharp on August 05, 2014, 04:04:26 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2014, 01:35:16 PM
You Armagh lads seem to have gone fairly delirious when ye got a sniff of Jones' Road again.
Watch the football. Go home. Repeat if you're lucky. That's how the rest of us do it.
You go there often then ?
He'll have turned Rhubarb by this stage. :-[
Quote from: haveaharp on August 05, 2014, 04:04:26 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2014, 01:35:16 PM
You Armagh lads seem to have gone fairly delirious when ye got a sniff of Jones' Road again.
Watch the football. Go home. Repeat if you're lucky. That's how the rest of us do it.
You go there often then ?
More often than Armagh do. Ouch.
Quote from: Aoise on August 04, 2014, 09:29:49 PM
I have never started a thread before so apologies if it doesn't work out but this could not be ignored...
http://www.armaghgaa.net/forum/threads/gaza-garvaghy-armagh-croke-park.3655/
Lets fill it with them on Saturday, for two reasons...1 - In solidarity with the people being slaughtered in Gaza (obviously) 2 - To show that cretin Rupert Murdoch that he doesn't control the Irish people, especially in Croke Park.
Aoise.......would you extend the same consideration to someone who wanted to display an Israeli flag?
Quote from: whitey on August 05, 2014, 04:51:54 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 04, 2014, 09:29:49 PM
I have never started a thread before so apologies if it doesn't work out but this could not be ignored...
http://www.armaghgaa.net/forum/threads/gaza-garvaghy-armagh-croke-park.3655/
Lets fill it with them on Saturday, for two reasons...1 - In solidarity with the people being slaughtered in Gaza (obviously) 2 - To show that cretin Rupert Murdoch that he doesn't control the Irish people, especially in Croke Park.
Aoise.......would you extend the same consideration to someone who wanted to display an Israeli flag?
Exactly... I don't see why people need to impose their Political convictions on me when I'm watching a football match!
Having said that if they're banned then they need to be banned everywhere and not because it may offend some Sky viewers but because the GAA is a non party political organisation:
Non-Party Political
The Association shall be non-party political. Party political
questions shall not be discussed at its meetings, and no
Committee, Club, Council or representative thereof
shall take part, as such, in any party political movement.
A penalty of up to twenty four weeks suspension may be
imposed for infringement.
Note party political - not political. The GAA is and always was political and examples of the organisation taking political positions could be given forever.
Flying the flag of Palestine is not party political. I'm sure there are many from different party political positions that have sympathy with the plight of the people of Gaza.
The Israeli flag happens to feature the Monaghan colours, but you'll not find too many flying it. If someone was to, I'd have a word in the ear, but I couldn't see GAA honchos and gardaí telling them to remove it.
When the GAA apparatchiks start getting squeamish about individual supporters showing cause with the oppressed for fear of offending Zionists with financial clout, that's when we really need to let them know what we think.
The Dubs on the Hill can be counted on if they're aware of what's going on. Let's get behind Aoise and the Garvaghy Road Orangemen on this one.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on August 05, 2014, 02:59:39 PM
Mobile phone footage of the incident.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm8q8AK4x9Y
That was very exciting.
Quote from: babarino on August 05, 2014, 05:45:27 PM
Note party political - not political. The GAA is and always was political and examples of the organisation taking political positions could be given forever.
Flying the flag of Palestine is not party political. I'm sure there are many from different party political positions that have sympathy with the plight of the people of Gaza.
The Israeli flag happens to feature the Monaghan colours, but you'll not find too many flying it. If someone was to, I'd have a word in the ear, but I couldn't see GAA honchos and gardaí telling them to remove it.
When the GAA apparatchiks start getting squeamish about individual supporters showing cause with the oppressed for fear of offending Zionists with financial clout, that's when we really need to let them know what we think.
The Dubs on the Hill can be counted on if they're aware of what's going on. Let's get behind Aoise and the Garvaghy Road Orangemen on this one.
"You'd have a word in their ear" are you fvcking kidding me. So political expression is fine as long as it conforms to your narrative.
Quote from: whitey on August 05, 2014, 05:52:46 PM
"You'd have a word in their ear" are you fvcking kidding me. So political expression is fine as long as it conforms to your narrative.
How about no flags being flown at Croke Park. Why not water down the whole experience and make it soulless like the Premiership.
Quote from: whitey on August 05, 2014, 05:52:46 PM
Quote from: babarino on August 05, 2014, 05:45:27 PM
Note party political - not political. The GAA is and always was political and examples of the organisation taking political positions could be given forever.
Flying the flag of Palestine is not party political. I'm sure there are many from different party political positions that have sympathy with the plight of the people of Gaza.
The Israeli flag happens to feature the Monaghan colours, but you'll not find too many flying it. If someone was to, I'd have a word in the ear, but I couldn't see GAA honchos and gardaí telling them to remove it.
When the GAA apparatchiks start getting squeamish about individual supporters showing cause with the oppressed for fear of offending Zionists with financial clout, that's when we really need to let them know what we think.
The Dubs on the Hill can be counted on if they're aware of what's going on. Let's get behind Aoise and the Garvaghy Road Orangemen on this one.
"You'd have a word in their ear" are you fvcking kidding me. So political expression is fine as long as it conforms to your narrative.
I'd be simply expressing my politics, no kidding. If a Down supporter were to fly a Nazi flag, because the red and black feature strongly I'd expect plenty of folk would have a word in their ear.
And by the way, as a GAA member and supporter there are many things that don't conform to my narrative. None that I can't live with. I stood in the Eoin O'Duffy stand in Clones....
Quote from: babarino on August 05, 2014, 05:45:27 PM
Note party political - not political. The GAA is and always was political and examples of the organisation taking political positions could be given forever.
Flying the flag of Palestine is not party political. I'm sure there are many from different party political positions that have sympathy with the plight of the people of Gaza.
The Israeli flag happens to feature the Monaghan colours, but you'll not find too many flying it. If someone was to, I'd have a word in the ear, but I couldn't see GAA honchos and gardaí telling them to remove it.
When the GAA apparatchiks start getting squeamish about individual supporters showing cause with the oppressed for fear of offending Zionists with financial clout, that's when we really need to let them know what we think.
The Dubs on the Hill can be counted on if they're aware of what's going on. Let's get behind Aoise and the Garvaghy Road Orangemen on this one.
Have a 'word in his ear' would you indeed!?
While yer at it why not fly some more flags in solidarity with Democratic Rep of Congo,Sudan,CAR,Syria etc where similar horrors are unfolding.Or Why not just bring your county flag and enjoy the match?
Quote from: rossiewanderer on August 05, 2014, 07:05:14 PM
Quote from: babarino on August 05, 2014, 05:45:27 PM
Note party political - not political. The GAA is and always was political and examples of the organisation taking political positions could be given forever.
Flying the flag of Palestine is not party political. I'm sure there are many from different party political positions that have sympathy with the plight of the people of Gaza.
The Israeli flag happens to feature the Monaghan colours, but you'll not find too many flying it. If someone was to, I'd have a word in the ear, but I couldn't see GAA honchos and gardaí telling them to remove it.
When the GAA apparatchiks start getting squeamish about individual supporters showing cause with the oppressed for fear of offending Zionists with financial clout, that's when we really need to let them know what we think.
The Dubs on the Hill can be counted on if they're aware of what's going on. Let's get behind Aoise and the Garvaghy Road Orangemen on this one.
Have a 'word in his ear' would you indeed!?
While yer at it why not fly some more flags in solidarity with Democratic Rep of Congo,Sudan,CAR,Syria etc where similar horrors are unfolding.Or Why not just bring your county flag and enjoy the match?
Because that's too simple and wouldn't bother anyone. You'd feel sorry for stewards sometimes.
I'm not into politics at all but I certainly disagree with what's happening over there and I'd support anything that would stop it but any rallies or support should be kept away from inside of any sports grounds. I want to see plenty of Armagh flags and I still grin at the tongue and cheek flag from the Garvaghy Rd men on tour but that's as far as it should go and all other flags and emblems should be kept for another day for a rally or protest...
Wave the Palestinian flag for these young lads in Gaza on Saturday in Croke Park
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Syferus and Rossiewanderer - yer a pair of gobshites.
Whats wrong with supporters of GAA showing solidarity the people of a country that are being butchered (there is no other word) by an army and country that has special status and relations with the western world and most importantly for us with the EU/UN of which Ireland is a part. It is a disgrace that this is happened and useless c***ts like Enda Kenny, Charlie Flanagan and the labour sell outs do nothing. If Irish people want to send out a message they will despite whingers like you too. We did it for South Africa and we will do it again.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 05, 2014, 10:10:58 PM
Syferus and Rossiewanderer - yer a pair of gobshites.
Whats wrong with supporters of GAA showing solidarity the people of a country that are being butchered (there is no other word) by an army and country that has special status and relations with the western world and most importantly for us with the EU/UN of which Ireland is a part. It is a disgrace that this is happened and useless c***ts like Enda Kenny, Charlie Flanagan and the labour sell outs do nothing. If Irish people want to send out a message they will despite whingers like you too. We did it for South Africa and we will do it again.
+1
Quote from: glens abu on August 05, 2014, 10:32:46 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 05, 2014, 10:10:58 PM
Syferus and Rossiewanderer - yer a pair of gobshites.
Whats wrong with supporters of GAA showing solidarity the people of a country that are being butchered (there is no other word) by an army and country that has special status and relations with the western world and most importantly for us with the EU/UN of which Ireland is a part. It is a disgrace that this is happened and useless c***ts like Enda Kenny, Charlie Flanagan and the labour sell outs do nothing. If Irish people want to send out a message they will despite whingers like you too. We did it for South Africa and we will do it again.
+1
ditto, ffs agreeing with Myles and Glens, 100% do though. Politics maybe should be left aside from sport but this is different. It would be great to see croke park full of Palestinian flags at the weekend, f..k Murdock, if he withdraws his coin will it really make any difference, the GAA survived long enough without him.
Do you honestly think Rupert Murdoch knows or cares what is being broadcast on his channels at any time,as long as the money rolls in?
If any political points should be made at the weekend,why not reference the slaughter of our own.What more appropriate occasion to highlight the British secret services murder of Irish citizens than a rare Dublin V Monaghan Championship clash beamed across the world on satellite tv
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 05, 2014, 10:10:58 PM
Syferus and Rossiewanderer - yer a pair of gobshites.
Whats wrong with supporters of GAA showing solidarity the people of a country that are being butchered (there is no other word) by an army and country that has special status and relations with the western world and most importantly for us with the EU/UN of which Ireland is a part. It is a disgrace that this is happened and useless c***ts like Enda Kenny, Charlie Flanagan and the labour sell outs do nothing. If Irish people want to send out a message they will despite whingers like you too. We did it for South Africa and we will do it again.
I have no time for people mixing sporting occasions with politics. Doesn't matter a jot if it's a hospital or a genocide, doing it accomplishes very little. If you want to protest, protest. If you want to watch a match, though..
I also have sympathy for the stewards that have to deal with these sorts of situations on the fly without a huge amount of experience or guidance on what to do.
Quote from: T Fearon on August 05, 2014, 10:51:02 PM
Do you honestly think Rupert Murdoch knows or cares what is being broadcast on his channels at any time,as long as the money rolls in?
If any political points should be made at the weekend,why not reference the slaughter of our own.What more appropriate occasion to highlight the British secret services murder of Irish citizens than a rare Dublin V Monaghan Championship clash beamed across the world on satellite tv
Sometimes its just not about us, would it not show a fantastic act of solidarity to the Palestinian people to see Croke park awash with their flag?.
Quote from: charlieTully on August 05, 2014, 11:12:31 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on August 05, 2014, 10:51:02 PM
Do you honestly think Rupert Murdoch knows or cares what is being broadcast on his channels at any time,as long as the money rolls in?
If any political points should be made at the weekend,why not reference the slaughter of our own.What more appropriate occasion to highlight the British secret services murder of Irish citizens than a rare Dublin V Monaghan Championship clash beamed across the world on satellite tv
Sometimes its just not about us, would it not show a fantastic act of solidarity to the Palestinian people to see Croke park awash with their flag?.
That would never happen nor would they even care beyond an "ah sure isn't that nice". Let's not puff it up into something it isn't.
Those who don't want too mix politics and sport need to research the whole ethos of the GAA.
I hope Croke sees plenty of Palestine flags.
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2014, 11:24:01 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on August 05, 2014, 11:12:31 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on August 05, 2014, 10:51:02 PM
Do you honestly think Rupert Murdoch knows or cares what is being broadcast on his channels at any time,as long as the money rolls in?
If any political points should be made at the weekend,why not reference the slaughter of our own.What more appropriate occasion to highlight the British secret services murder of Irish citizens than a rare Dublin V Monaghan Championship clash beamed across the world on satellite tv
Sometimes its just not about us, would it not show a fantastic act of solidarity to the Palestinian people to see Croke park awash with their flag?.
That would never happen nor would they even care beyond an "ah sure isn't that nice". Let's not puff it up into something it isn't.
it would show them they are not being forgotten, that they have an ever increasing support as evidenced by the countless protests all over the world, I was at a protest in London a couple of weeks back with over 100,000 people, please enlighten me what would be wrong with a show of solidarty in croke park?
I have started a facebook group "GAA 4 Gaza" so that GAA members and supporters can show their solidarity with Gaza:
Please share and invite your friends
https://www.facebook.com/groups/305563316286941/requests/?notif_t=group_r2j
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2014, 10:58:35 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 05, 2014, 10:10:58 PM
Syferus and Rossiewanderer - yer a pair of gobshites.
Whats wrong with supporters of GAA showing solidarity the people of a country that are being butchered (there is no other word) by an army and country that has special status and relations with the western world and most importantly for us with the EU/UN of which Ireland is a part. It is a disgrace that this is happened and useless c***ts like Enda Kenny, Charlie Flanagan and the labour sell outs do nothing. If Irish people want to send out a message they will despite whingers like you too. We did it for South Africa and we will do it again.
I have no time for people mixing sporting occasions with politics. Doesn't matter a jot if it's a hospital or a genocide, doing it accomplishes very little. If you want to protest, protest. If you want to watch a match, though..
I also have sympathy for the stewards that have to deal with these sorts of situations on the fly without a huge amount of experience or guidance on what to do.
The sporting boycott of Apartheid South Africa was a significant help in the successful osctracisation of that regime from the international community.
The Black Power salute in 1968 was a demonstration to the world that the black population of the USA would no longer tolerate discrimination against them.
Only a fool would say that both were not 100% worthwhile.
Quote from: rossiewanderer on August 05, 2014, 07:05:14 PM
Have a 'word in his ear' would you indeed!?
While yer at it why not fly some more flags in solidarity with Democratic Rep of Congo,Sudan,CAR,Syria etc where similar horrors are unfolding.Or Why not just bring your county flag and enjoy the match?
Given that you already support Israel, why aren't you also voicing your support for other murderous Middle eastern regimes?
Why stop at just the one?
Isn't that completely hypocritical?
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2014, 04:19:19 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on August 05, 2014, 04:04:26 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2014, 01:35:16 PM
You Armagh lads seem to have gone fairly delirious when ye got a sniff of Jones' Road again.
Watch the football. Go home. Repeat if you're lucky. That's how the rest of us do it.
You go there often then ?
More often than Armagh do. Ouch.
Just a little tip for you, mate. When debating on the INTERNET, trying to score points by writing "ouch" after something you've written makes you look like a bit of a tit.
I dont support Israel you complete and utter clown.
Quote from: rossiewanderer on August 06, 2014, 12:22:41 AM
I dont support Israel you complete and utter clown.
Er...yeah...
sure you don't.
Quote from: rossiewanderer on July 22, 2014, 02:41:14 PM
Israel are the right side in this unfolding tragedy.
No amount of esteemed professional Palestinian protesters in this country who continually quote out of context will convince me otherwise.In fact many of the rabble that constitutes these protests should get people thinking,Hang on a minute here....
Quote from: rossiewanderer on July 21, 2014, 08:29:31 AM
Hamas use woman and children as human shields.The civilian death toll they are engineering is
part of a grotesque tactical play to garner international intervention(which will never happen) and to provoke a reaction from the murderously out of control Muslim world.
Hamas have the blood of their own people on their hands.
Israel has the right to defend herself.
Quote from: rossiewanderer on July 22, 2014, 12:48:24 PM
Hamas are killing their own people,They are responsible for their dead children.They can stop this killing at any time but they prefer to sacrifice their own people and film the wailing cries of publicly
filmed funerals in a callous bid to instigate anti-Israel sentiment throughout the world.
Quote from: rossiewanderer on August 05, 2014, 07:05:14 PM
While yer at it why not fly some more flags in solidarity with Democratic Rep of Congo,Sudan,CAR,Syria etc where similar horrors are unfolding.Or Why not just bring your county flag and enjoy the match?
You're correct in that what's happening in DRC,,Syria and the likes is at least as reprehensible but our govt haven't abstained on any UN motions of censure against these conflicts, therein lies one difference
Quote from: whitey on August 05, 2014, 04:51:54 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 04, 2014, 09:29:49 PM
I have never started a thread before so apologies if it doesn't work out but this could not be ignored...
http://www.armaghgaa.net/forum/threads/gaza-garvaghy-armagh-croke-park.3655/
Lets fill it with them on Saturday, for two reasons...1 - In solidarity with the people being slaughtered in Gaza (obviously) 2 - To show that cretin Rupert Murdoch that he doesn't control the Irish people, especially in Croke Park.
Aoise.......would you extend the same consideration to someone who wanted to display an Israeli flag?
Obviously! I didn't think we lived in a fascist country. I can only demonstrate what my own conscience allows me to - though good luck to anyone though trying to placate their conscience with an Israeli flag - but by all means, if you feel strongly enough!
Some people are missing the point of this and the reasons why this should be in Croke Park.
1 - There was a vote at the UN a few weeks ago, with a clown representative from Ireland abstaining on a vote to investigate Human Rights abuses in Gaza. Now only to investigate. This sorry excuse for a human being, represented the people of Ireland without consent. On an issue like this, the people need to speak. I and many like me were beyond disgusted at this cowardly piece of action. Croke Park however is representative of the people of Ireland. So let us speak at last.
2 - The media in the Western world are completely ignoring any form of protest happening regarding this. They are using subversive methods in order to appear PC and not upset anyone. I happen to believe the vast majority of the people of Ireland are sickened by what is happening. 4 counties will be represented on Saturday, lets see what they think. The reason this needs to happen in Croke Park? Its the one place where they cannot divert the cameras.
3 - Politics and sport not mixing you say - How the hell is this a political issue? This is a human issue!!! For all you Politically correct 'don't rock the boaters' I say grow a set of balls and make a stand in order to at least show anyone representing Ireland to not take the Irish people for granted. If someone wants to bring an Israeli flag, go for it! I couldn't give a shit what flag you bring, so long as I feel that people are starting to be counted. If the majority of Croke Park bring an Israeli flag then we will have our answer. I have much more faith in the people of Ireland though.
4 - If people believe in a progressive democracy, then they believe in the right of peaceful demonstration regardless of where that will be. If I buy a ticket for Croke Park, thats where I choose my demonstration to be. If anyone doesn't like it, well they can politely do one!
What has happened to people? Are we so comfortable here in the west that we become indifferent to human suffering. I will just say it is well for you can go to a football match and say 'don't fly flags as politics and sport don't mix'. Shame on you for being so heartless. But more shame on you for being so gutless. If you think something is wrong, have the conviction and the courage to do something about it, because if we're waiting on the watery ass Govt's who supposedly represent us, we'll be waiting a long time.
My feelings towards any given issue are wholly independent to my views on someone trying to piggy-back on a sporting event for attention for the said issue. Just because you can't separate the two things doesn't mean others can't and it certainly doesn't mean they don't care.
Shame on you for resorting to childish caricatures full of emotive, misty-eyed righteous indignation just because someone disagrees with you. You share more with Israel than you would like to admit.
Quote from: illdecide on August 05, 2014, 08:00:52 PM
I'm not into politics at all but I certainly disagree with what's happening over there and I'd support anything that would stop it but any rallies or support should be kept away from inside of any sports grounds. I want to see plenty of Armagh flags and I still grin at the tongue and cheek flag from the Garvaghy Rd men on tour but that's as far as it should go and all other flags and emblems should be kept for another day for a rally or protest...
+1
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2014, 04:26:17 AM
My feelings towards any given issue are wholly independent to my views on someone trying to piggy-back on a sporting event for attention for the said issue. Just because you can't separate the two things doesn't mean others can't and it certainly doesn't mean they don't care.
Shame on you for resorting to childish caricatures fully of emotive, misty-eyed righteous indignation just because someone disagrees with you...
I suppose you think it was shameful of Mandela piggy-backing the Rugby World Cup final and the black civil rights campaigners raising the black gloved fist at the Mexico Olympics.
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2014, 04:26:17 AM
My feelings towards any given issue are wholly independent to my views on someone trying to piggy-back on a sporting event for attention for the said issue. Just because you can't separate the two things doesn't mean others can't and it certainly doesn't mean they don't care.
Shame on you for resorting to childish caricatures fully of emotive, misty-eyed righteous indignation just because someone disagrees with you. You share more with Israel than you would like to admit.
You don't care Syferus! So long as you can go to your sporting event and pretend its not happening, then that suits you just fine. BTW, If Israeli children were lying all over the streets bombed to bits, I would be taking an Israeli flag, I'm not discriminatory I just don't like to see children murdered. I still don't understand what is so catastrophic about taking a flag into Croke Park - what is so wrong with it?
Quote from: Owenmoresider on August 06, 2014, 09:38:13 AM
Quote from: illdecide on August 05, 2014, 08:00:52 PM
I'm not into politics at all but I certainly disagree with what's happening over there and I'd support anything that would stop it but any rallies or support should be kept away from inside of any sports grounds. I want to see plenty of Armagh flags and I still grin at the tongue and cheek flag from the Garvaghy Rd men on tour but that's as far as it should go and all other flags and emblems should be kept for another day for a rally or protest...
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No you wouldn't support anything that was happening to stop it as you have an issue with an innocent flag in Croke Park! So how would you support anything when you have a problem with this? So stop being disingenuous and just tell the truth, people just don't care! I'll accept that but don't use this sport is apolitical nonsense - it doesn't make sense considering the majority of people in the country are outraged by this. Just out of curiosity, why is it such a problem if a flag opposing the slaughter of innocence is taken into Croke Park? Explain why those people who want to are in the wrong?
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 01:26:49 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on August 06, 2014, 09:38:13 AM
Quote from: illdecide on August 05, 2014, 08:00:52 PM
I'm not into politics at all but I certainly disagree with what's happening over there and I'd support anything that would stop it but any rallies or support should be kept away from inside of any sports grounds. I want to see plenty of Armagh flags and I still grin at the tongue and cheek flag from the Garvaghy Rd men on tour but that's as far as it should go and all other flags and emblems should be kept for another day for a rally or protest...
+1
No you wouldn't support anything that was happening to stop it as you have an issue with an innocent flag in Croke Park! So how would you support anything when you have a problem with this? So stop being disingenuous and just tell the truth, people just don't care! I'll accept that but don't use this sport is apolitical nonsense - it doesn't make sense considering the majority of people in the country are outraged by this. Just out of curiosity, why is it such a problem if a flag opposing the slaughter of innocence is taken into Croke Park? Explain why those people who want to are in the wrong?
Sport is not real life. In fact it creates an environment where the rules and customs of the rest of our lives can be set aside.
Personally I've no interest in those line blurring, regardless of the cause. While campaigners might believe that a sporting event is an appropriate pedestal for raising support/concern, in doing so they are actually trying to hijack the thoughts and atmosphere of a group of people who have come together to get away from such things.
Don't confuse this stance with apathy. It's justifiable segregation of the real world from pastimes, hobbies and passions. Justifiable not because I say so, but because the very basis of a pastime or passion is to get away from the real world.
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It's now become almost impossible to watch an English Premiership match without a minute's silence. Once upon a time, this only happened when a crowd came together to remember a former player whose significant contribution to a club helped unite them as a group. Then it grew to include general football figures, then anniversaries, then general public figures, and now even includes supporters and celebrities. It has becomes a waste of everyone's time. It's a ritual before every game rather than a mark of respect. Black armbands the same.
I bring this up because this all started off with some people demanding that sporting events take on a greater social conscience. The people who started this, I've no doubt there hearts were in the right place. But what they've done is created an irrelevance on match days, that is an administrative nightmare for club officials, who have to assess and almost act as St Peter at the gates, for all manner of deaths.
Protests and campaigns at sporting events will go the same way, unless there's a blanket "no". You, Aiose, obviously feel very strongly about the Gaza situation, and that is your right. But by demanding the right to inflict that voice on GAA match attendees, then you have to bear in mind that the same right should be reciprocated to anyone and everyone who has a cause they feel strongly about.
Quote from: thewobbler on August 06, 2014, 01:51:52 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 01:26:49 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on August 06, 2014, 09:38:13 AM
Quote from: illdecide on August 05, 2014, 08:00:52 PM
I'm not into politics at all but I certainly disagree with what's happening over there and I'd support anything that would stop it but any rallies or support should be kept away from inside of any sports grounds. I want to see plenty of Armagh flags and I still grin at the tongue and cheek flag from the Garvaghy Rd men on tour but that's as far as it should go and all other flags and emblems should be kept for another day for a rally or protest...
+1
No you wouldn't support anything that was happening to stop it as you have an issue with an innocent flag in Croke Park! So how would you support anything when you have a problem with this? So stop being disingenuous and just tell the truth, people just don't care! I'll accept that but don't use this sport is apolitical nonsense - it doesn't make sense considering the majority of people in the country are outraged by this. Just out of curiosity, why is it such a problem if a flag opposing the slaughter of innocence is taken into Croke Park? Explain why those people who want to are in the wrong?
Sport is not real life. In fact it creates an environment where the rules and customs of the rest of our lives can be set aside.
Personally I've no interest in those line blurring, regardless of the cause. While campaigners might believe that a sporting event is an appropriate pedestal for raising support/concern, in doing so they are actually trying to hijack the thoughts and atmosphere of a group of people who have come together to get away from such things.
Don't confuse this stance with apathy. It's justifiable segregation of the real world from pastimes, hobbies and passions. Justifiable not because I say so, but because the very basis of a pastime or passion is to get away from the real world.
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It's now become almost impossible to watch an English Premiership match without a minute's silence. Once upon a time, this only happened when a crowd came together to remember a former player whose significant contribution to a club helped unite them as a group. Then it grew to include general football figures, then anniversaries, then general public figures, and now even includes supporters and celebrities. It has becomes a waste of everyone's time. It's a ritual before every game rather than a mark of respect. Black armbands the same.
I bring this up because this all started off with some people demanding that sporting events take on a greater social conscience. The people who started this, I've no doubt there hearts were in the right place. But what they've done is created an irrelevance on match days, that is an administrative nightmare for club officials, who have to assess and almost act as St Peter at the gates, for all manner of deaths.
Protests and campaigns at sporting events will go the same way, unless there's a blanket "no". You, Aiose, obviously feel very strongly about the Gaza situation, and that is your right. But by demanding the right to inflict that voice on GAA match attendees, then you have to bear in mind that the same right should be reciprocated to anyone and everyone who has a cause they feel strongly about.
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If it can be accepted that the Gaza struggle can become an inactive part of a person's life when they work, sleep and eat, surely it's possible to accept that a few more hours a week of inactivity for sporting events, does not make the same person "doing nothing"?
Quote from: dferg on August 06, 2014, 02:04:04 PM
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Quote from: thewobbler on August 06, 2014, 01:51:52 PM
Protests and campaigns at sporting events will go the same way, unless there's a blanket "no". You, Aiose, obviously feel very strongly about the Gaza situation, and that is your right. But by demanding the right to inflict that voice on GAA match attendees, then you have to bear in mind that the same right should be reciprocated to anyone and everyone who has a cause they feel strongly about.
Well put, Wobbler. I have a lot of sympathy for the cause here, but if everyone comes along to games with their pet cause then the sporting event becomes fatally compromised and chaos would ensue.
I'd suggest organising a protest at lunchtime at the Dail or Isreali embassy and encourage everyone to go along.
I hope the authorities deal with any Canadian, Danish, Japanese or Confederate flags the next time Cork are playing, as those Ccork people are clearly making a political point.
Quote from: thewobbler on August 06, 2014, 01:51:52 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 01:26:49 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on August 06, 2014, 09:38:13 AM
Quote from: illdecide on August 05, 2014, 08:00:52 PM
I'm not into politics at all but I certainly disagree with what's happening over there and I'd support anything that would stop it but any rallies or support should be kept away from inside of any sports grounds. I want to see plenty of Armagh flags and I still grin at the tongue and cheek flag from the Garvaghy Rd men on tour but that's as far as it should go and all other flags and emblems should be kept for another day for a rally or protest...
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No you wouldn't support anything that was happening to stop it as you have an issue with an innocent flag in Croke Park! So how would you support anything when you have a problem with this? So stop being disingenuous and just tell the truth, people just don't care! I'll accept that but don't use this sport is apolitical nonsense - it doesn't make sense considering the majority of people in the country are outraged by this. Just out of curiosity, why is it such a problem if a flag opposing the slaughter of innocence is taken into Croke Park? Explain why those people who want to are in the wrong?
Sport is not real life. In fact it creates an environment where the rules and customs of the rest of our lives can be set aside.
Personally I've no interest in those line blurring, regardless of the cause. While campaigners might believe that a sporting event is an appropriate pedestal for raising support/concern, in doing so they are actually trying to hijack the thoughts and atmosphere of a group of people who have come together to get away from such things.
Don't confuse this stance with apathy. It's justifiable segregation of the real world from pastimes, hobbies and passions. Justifiable not because I say so, but because the very basis of a pastime or passion is to get away from the real world.
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It's now become almost impossible to watch an English Premiership match without a minute's silence. Once upon a time, this only happened when a crowd came together to remember a former player whose significant contribution to a club helped unite them as a group. Then it grew to include general football figures, then anniversaries, then general public figures, and now even includes supporters and celebrities. It has becomes a waste of everyone's time. It's a ritual before every game rather than a mark of respect. Black armbands the same.
I bring this up because this all started off with some people demanding that sporting events take on a greater social conscience. The people who started this, I've no doubt there hearts were in the right place. But what they've done is created an irrelevance on match days, that is an administrative nightmare for club officials, who have to assess and almost act as St Peter at the gates, for all manner of deaths.
Protests and campaigns at sporting events will go the same way, unless there's a blanket "no". You, Aiose, obviously feel very strongly about the Gaza situation, and that is your right. But by demanding the right to inflict that voice on GAA match attendees, then you have to bear in mind that the same right should be reciprocated to anyone and everyone who has a cause they feel strongly about.
But I am not a campaigner! Just 1 individual who has realised the protests on the streets are being ignored, and to be fair I didn't bring a Palestinian flag last week. But when I saw what happened I give my self a kick up the ass. I'm not telling you to bring any flag. I simply asked that if you were bothered by the events in Gaza and were going on Saturday to bring one along in order to illustrate peoples disgust. You on the other hand are telling me that there is no place in Croke Park for my feelings or the feelings of many like me. Seriously??? Newsflash, If I buy my ticket to get into headquarters I couldn't give a damn about your sensitivities to be honest. You don't like it or if it reminds you of real life (boo hoo) then just look away! But you have no right to tell anyone where or where they cannot demonstrate in a democracy. Thats what this is right??? ::)
Quote from: deiseach on August 06, 2014, 02:11:55 PM
Quote from: dferg on August 06, 2014, 02:04:04 PM
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Witty retort. You could argue that about anything that is ever written.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Albert_Einstein#The_world_is_a_dangerous_place
The world is a dangerous place[edit]
The anonymous tip above about the source of the quote proved to be true.
The "Tribute to Pablo Casals" was solicited for and appeared in the book Conversations avec Pablo Casals: souvenirs et opinions d'un musicien by José María Corredor (1954). The book was translated into many languages including German, Gespräche mit Casals (1954), and English, Conversations with Casals (1957).
The original text from Einstein (Einstein Archive Catalog #34-347), and as it appeared in the German edition (emphasis added):
Die Wertschätzung Pablo Casals' als großen Künstler braucht fürwahr nicht auf mich zu warten, denn hierin herrscht Einstimmigkeit unter den Auguren. Was ich aber an ihm besonders bewundere, ist seine charaktervolle Haltung nicht nur gegen die Unterdrücker seines Volkes, sondern auch gegen alle diejenigen Opportunisten, die immer bereit sind, mit dem Teufel zu paktieren. Er hat klar erkannt, daß die Welt mehr bedroht ist durch die, welche das Übel dulden oder ihm Vorschub leisten, als durch die Übeltäter selbst.
In the English edition:
It is certainly unnecessary to await my voice in acclaiming Pablo Casals as a very great artist, since all who are qualified to speak are unanimous on this subject. What I particularly admire in him is the firm stand he has taken, not only against the oppressors of his countrymen, but also against those opportunists who are always ready to compromise with the Devil. He perceives very clearly that the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it.
Variants:
The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.
The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it.
—KHirsch 15:38, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
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But I am not a campaigner! Just 1 individual who has realised the protests on the streets are being ignored, and to be fair I didn't bring a Palestinian flag last week. But when I saw what happened I give my self a kick up the ass. I'm not telling you to bring any flag. I simply asked that if you were bothered by the events in Gaza and were going on Saturday to bring one along in order to illustrate peoples disgust. You on the other hand are telling me that there is no place in Croke Park for my feelings or the feelings of many like me. Seriously??? Newsflash, If I buy my ticket to get into headquarters I couldn't give a damn about your sensitivities to be honest. You don't like it or if it reminds you of real life (boo hoo) then just look away! But you have no right to tell anyone where or where they cannot demonstrate in a democracy. Thats what this is right??? ::)
The GAA is a democracy and Croke Park is a private property.
As with all democracies, we have elected representatives whose role is to lead, guide and even enforce where necessary. The will of those representatives is that the we do not use our games or stadia for protests or demonstrations.
As with all private properties, the owner has the right to set acceptable levels of conduct for entrance.
Is this a catch 22 for you? Or can you simply pick and choose which democratic values you will adhere to?
Not waving a flag at a GAA match isn't equal to doing nothing. I don't see what relevance that quote has with this situation.
Quote from: dferg on August 06, 2014, 02:26:56 PM
Witty retort. You could argue that about anything that is ever written.
Not true. You've provided a pretty convincing source for that quote, so fair play.
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 01:26:49 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on August 06, 2014, 09:38:13 AM
Quote from: illdecide on August 05, 2014, 08:00:52 PM
I'm not into politics at all but I certainly disagree with what's happening over there and I'd support anything that would stop it but any rallies or support should be kept away from inside of any sports grounds. I want to see plenty of Armagh flags and I still grin at the tongue and cheek flag from the Garvaghy Rd men on tour but that's as far as it should go and all other flags and emblems should be kept for another day for a rally or protest...
+1
No you wouldn't support anything that was happening to stop it as you have an issue with an innocent flag in Croke Park! So how would you support anything when you have a problem with this? So stop being disingenuous and just tell the truth, people just don't care! I'll accept that but don't use this sport is apolitical nonsense - it doesn't make sense considering the majority of people in the country are outraged by this. Just out of curiosity, why is it such a problem if a flag opposing the slaughter of innocence is taken into Croke Park? Explain why those people who want to are in the wrong?
Aoise...contrary to what most posters on here think.....there are 2 sides to this conflict
The mere suggestion of a dissenting show of solidarity for the Israeli side was met with an "Id have a word in their ear" comment from a pro Palestinian supporter.
In fairness he did follow up and say he would be non confrontational, BUT I think any fair minded person could see this cpuld spiral out of control very quickly
Quote from: whitey on August 06, 2014, 02:36:28 PM
Aoise...contrary to what most posters on here think.....there are 2 sides to this conflict
There are two sides to it in the way there were two sides to the Apartheid struggle in South Africa, I guess.
Quote from: thewobbler on August 06, 2014, 02:31:04 PM
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But I am not a campaigner! Just 1 individual who has realised the protests on the streets are being ignored, and to be fair I didn't bring a Palestinian flag last week. But when I saw what happened I give my self a kick up the ass. I'm not telling you to bring any flag. I simply asked that if you were bothered by the events in Gaza and were going on Saturday to bring one along in order to illustrate peoples disgust. You on the other hand are telling me that there is no place in Croke Park for my feelings or the feelings of many like me. Seriously??? Newsflash, If I buy my ticket to get into headquarters I couldn't give a damn about your sensitivities to be honest. You don't like it or if it reminds you of real life (boo hoo) then just look away! But you have no right to tell anyone where or where they cannot demonstrate in a democracy. Thats what this is right??? ::)
The GAA is a democracy and Croke Park is a private property.
As with all democracies, we have elected representatives whose role is to lead, guide and even enforce where necessary. The will of those representatives is that the we do not use our games or stadia for protests or demonstrations.
As with all private properties, the owner has the right to set acceptable levels of conduct for entrance.
Is this a catch 22 for you? Or can you simply pick and choose which democratic values you will adhere to?
So who owns Croke Park? I didn't get the memo that said the GAA had suddenly gone capitalist on the very people who make up the organisation?
Quote from: whitey on August 06, 2014, 02:36:28 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 01:26:49 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on August 06, 2014, 09:38:13 AM
Quote from: illdecide on August 05, 2014, 08:00:52 PM
I'm not into politics at all but I certainly disagree with what's happening over there and I'd support anything that would stop it but any rallies or support should be kept away from inside of any sports grounds. I want to see plenty of Armagh flags and I still grin at the tongue and cheek flag from the Garvaghy Rd men on tour but that's as far as it should go and all other flags and emblems should be kept for another day for a rally or protest...
+1
No you wouldn't support anything that was happening to stop it as you have an issue with an innocent flag in Croke Park! So how would you support anything when you have a problem with this? So stop being disingenuous and just tell the truth, people just don't care! I'll accept that but don't use this sport is apolitical nonsense - it doesn't make sense considering the majority of people in the country are outraged by this. Just out of curiosity, why is it such a problem if a flag opposing the slaughter of innocence is taken into Croke Park? Explain why those people who want to are in the wrong?
Aoise...contrary to what most posters on here think.....there are 2 sides to this conflict
The mere suggestion of a dissenting show of solidarity for the Israeli side was met with an "Id have a word in their ear" comment from a pro Palestinian supporter.
In fairness he did follow up and say he would be non confrontational, BUT I think any fair minded person could see this cpuld spiral out of control very quickly
You are right, there are 2 sides Whitey. One that is the fourth biggest military power in the world, the other who are getting slaughtered on a daily basis. How in the name of God could this spiral out of control? This is a humanitarian issue, why would someone get offended at anyone showing support for people who are being killed? I just don't get it! I thought that at least Irish people could show that regardless of the contextual history in Palestine, that what is happening is wrong - pure and simple! Do you think what is happening to the people of Gaza is right?
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 02:46:29 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 06, 2014, 02:36:28 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 01:26:49 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on August 06, 2014, 09:38:13 AM
Quote from: illdecide on August 05, 2014, 08:00:52 PM
I'm not into politics at all but I certainly disagree with what's happening over there and I'd support anything that would stop it but any rallies or support should be kept away from inside of any sports grounds. I want to see plenty of Armagh flags and I still grin at the tongue and cheek flag from the Garvaghy Rd men on tour but that's as far as it should go and all other flags and emblems should be kept for another day for a rally or protest...
+1
No you wouldn't support anything that was happening to stop it as you have an issue with an innocent flag in Croke Park! So how would you support anything when you have a problem with this? So stop being disingenuous and just tell the truth, people just don't care! I'll accept that but don't use this sport is apolitical nonsense - it doesn't make sense considering the majority of people in the country are outraged by this. Just out of curiosity, why is it such a problem if a flag opposing the slaughter of innocence is taken into Croke Park? Explain why those people who want to are in the wrong?
Aoise...contrary to what most posters on here think.....there are 2 sides to this conflict
The mere suggestion of a dissenting show of solidarity for the Israeli side was met with an "Id have a word in their ear" comment from a pro Palestinian supporter.
In fairness he did follow up and say he would be non confrontational, BUT I think any fair minded person could see this cpuld spiral out of control very quickly
You are right, there are 2 sides Whitey. One that is the fourth biggest military power in the world, the other who are getting slaughtered on a daily basis. How in the name of God could this spiral out of control? This is a humanitarian issue, why would someone get offended at anyone showing support for people who are being killed? I just don't get it! I thought that at least Irish people could show that regardless of the contextual history in Palestine, that what is happening is wrong - pure and simple! Do you think what is happening to the people of Gaza is right?
Aoise.....I have already had more than enough to say on the other thread so let's keep this about the flags. Here's my point-(a) what happens if a counter demonstrations takes place? (It's unlikely but possible) (b) what happens if someone shows up with an Hamas flag or a Hezbollah flag as happened within the last week at other demonstrations Can you imagine the damage that would do to the GAA worldwide?
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 02:41:45 PM
[So who owns Croke Park? I didn't get the memo that said the GAA had suddenly gone capitalist on the very people who make up the organisation?
I doubt if everyone who attends a match in Croke Park is a member of the GAA.
Quote from: whitey on August 06, 2014, 03:19:20 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 02:46:29 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 06, 2014, 02:36:28 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 01:26:49 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on August 06, 2014, 09:38:13 AM
Quote from: illdecide on August 05, 2014, 08:00:52 PM
I'm not into politics at all but I certainly disagree with what's happening over there and I'd support anything that would stop it but any rallies or support should be kept away from inside of any sports grounds. I want to see plenty of Armagh flags and I still grin at the tongue and cheek flag from the Garvaghy Rd men on tour but that's as far as it should go and all other flags and emblems should be kept for another day for a rally or protest...
+1
No you wouldn't support anything that was happening to stop it as you have an issue with an innocent flag in Croke Park! So how would you support anything when you have a problem with this? So stop being disingenuous and just tell the truth, people just don't care! I'll accept that but don't use this sport is apolitical nonsense - it doesn't make sense considering the majority of people in the country are outraged by this. Just out of curiosity, why is it such a problem if a flag opposing the slaughter of innocence is taken into Croke Park? Explain why those people who want to are in the wrong?
Aoise...contrary to what most posters on here think.....there are 2 sides to this conflict
The mere suggestion of a dissenting show of solidarity for the Israeli side was met with an "Id have a word in their ear" comment from a pro Palestinian supporter.
In fairness he did follow up and say he would be non confrontational, BUT I think any fair minded person could see this cpuld spiral out of control very quickly
You are right, there are 2 sides Whitey. One that is the fourth biggest military power in the world, the other who are getting slaughtered on a daily basis. How in the name of God could this spiral out of control? This is a humanitarian issue, why would someone get offended at anyone showing support for people who are being killed? I just don't get it! I thought that at least Irish people could show that regardless of the contextual history in Palestine, that what is happening is wrong - pure and simple! Do you think what is happening to the people of Gaza is right?
Aoise.....I have already had more than enough to say on the other thread so let's keep this about the flags. Here's my point-(a) what happens if a counter demonstrations takes place? (It's unlikely but possible) (b) what happens if someone shows up with an Hamas flag or a Hezbollah flag as happened within the last week at other demonstrations Can you imagine the damage that would do to the GAA worldwide?
Ok Whitey.
(a) What is the likelihood of any counter demonstration happening on this issue? I'm not even calling for anything other than a flag to be flown in our seats as a message of solidarity, thats it! Don't dramatise what is simply a small statement.
(b) If someone showed up with a Hamas flag or a Hezbollah flag, what do you think is going to happen? Do not equate those with the flag of Palestine it is a separate issue altogether and if anyone did turn up with one, I'm sure people are adult enough to make their own mind up on the person who brought it. It certainly would not damage the GAA the way you are speaking off - Dramatising again!
You seem very scared of something, yet I do not know what. How else do people make their voices heard on these issues? The Government doesn't ask us, we get a say on who represents us at elections but what do they do? Carry on regardless of people's personal feelings on certain issues. People have been calling for the Dail to be recalled over this issue, and they just ignore it. If you feel strongly about something - stand up for it. My only conclusion is that people are so indifferent to human suffering that they try to make it about them and their own sensitivities. Its easy to say 'ach well sure its nothing to do with us'. I hope to God that if our own grandchildren are ever in any war situation, that people will not take your stance because they will be screwed - no disrespect to you, you're entitled to your stance on this. I just think Ireland has lost a wee bit of its soul and courage more's the pity!
It's fairly simple. What do you think would happen if the GAA set a precedent of allowing political demonstrations, however worthy the cause in this particular case? How, then could they decide in any future event that another demonstration, however unworthy, should be prevented? Conduct a poll of the attendance on the particular day?
It's clearly reasonable that the GAA executive, as mandated either by Congress or by assumed responsibility for such decision by virtue of their management role, is making a reasonable decision that the only sensible course of action is to ban all political demonstrations. If you disagree, put a motion on the agenda for your next club AGM. But what would it say? All demonstrations are allowed? Only pro-Palestinian ones? What about pro-Ukrainian ones? What about Syria?
Alternatively, organise a demonstration OUTSIDE Croke Park next Sunday against Israeli barbarity in Gaza. I'd join you if I could make it.
Quote from: Hardy on August 06, 2014, 04:27:35 PM
It's fairly simple. What do you think would happen if the GAA set a precedent of allowing political demonstrations, however worthy the cause in this particular case? How, then could they decide in any future event that another demonstration, however unworthy, should be prevented? Conduct a poll of the attendance on the particular day?
It's clearly reasonable that the GAA executive, as mandated either by Congress or by assumed responsibility for such decision by virtue of their management role, is making a reasonable decision that the only sensible course of action is to ban all political demonstrations. If you disagree, put a motion on the agenda for your next club AGM. But what would it say? All demonstrations are allowed? Only pro-Palestinian ones? What about pro-Ukrainian ones? What about Syria?
Alternatively, organise a demonstration OUTSIDE Croke Park next Sunday against Israeli barbarity in Gaza. I'd join you if I could make it.
Hardy I know what you're saying. However, and maybe this is where we disagree but I happen to think that Croke Park is the people's park. Regardless of management elites, the GAA is not an elite organisation (yet). I have no problem if someone wants to make their voice heard on an issue - do so. If I don't agree with it, I just don't fly that flag, its simple. Are we not mature enough as a nation to allow freedom of expression? Why would you want to ban that? Its like saying well sure everyone in the GAA should just remain neutral at all times - we are all human beings with opinions. Thats like saying Donal Og Cusack should not have came out in defense of his homosexuality. Why? Are we all so delicate?
This is a humanitarian cause, not a political one
Aoise....I appreciate being able to have an adult dialogue with you on this. Obviously were viewing it through different lenses. Regardless , good luck with it however it turns out
Quote from: whitey on August 06, 2014, 04:50:01 PM
Aoise....I appreciate being able to have an adult dialogue with you on this. Obviously were viewing it through different lenses. Regardless , good luck with it however it turns out
Thanks Whitey, I appreciate that! It is meant as no offence to anyone. Just a small illustration of my contempt at our Governments doing nothing.
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 04:41:18 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 06, 2014, 04:27:35 PM
It's fairly simple. What do you think would happen if the GAA set a precedent of allowing political demonstrations, however worthy the cause in this particular case? How, then could they decide in any future event that another demonstration, however unworthy, should be prevented? Conduct a poll of the attendance on the particular day?
It's clearly reasonable that the GAA executive, as mandated either by Congress or by assumed responsibility for such decision by virtue of their management role, is making a reasonable decision that the only sensible course of action is to ban all political demonstrations. If you disagree, put a motion on the agenda for your next club AGM. But what would it say? All demonstrations are allowed? Only pro-Palestinian ones? What about pro-Ukrainian ones? What about Syria?
Alternatively, organise a demonstration OUTSIDE Croke Park next Sunday against Israeli barbarity in Gaza. I'd join you if I could make it.
Hardy I know what you're saying. However, and maybe this is where we disagree but I happen to think that Croke Park is the people's park. Regardless of management elites, the GAA is not an elite organisation (yet). I have no problem if someone wants to make their voice heard on an issue - do so. If I don't agree with it, I just don't fly that flag, its simple. Are we not mature enough as a nation to allow freedom of expression? Why would you want to ban that? Its like saying well sure everyone in the GAA should just remain neutral at all times - we are all human beings with opinions. Thats like saying Donal Og Cusack should not have came out in defense of his homosexuality. Why? Are we all so delicate?
You don't see the possibility of mayhem, chaos and madness if everybody can use Croke Park on match day as his own personal soap box?
Quote from: haranguerer on August 06, 2014, 04:48:38 PM
This is a humanitarian cause, not a political one
OK - replace "political" with "humanitarian" in my post and the same logic applies. You can't have free-for-all demonstrations or a play-it-by-ear policy. I don't think the GAA is being callous about Gaza and I don't buy the shite about not offending Sky. It's simply the only tenable policy.
Quote from: Hardy on August 06, 2014, 05:07:21 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 04:41:18 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 06, 2014, 04:27:35 PM
It's fairly simple. What do you think would happen if the GAA set a precedent of allowing political demonstrations, however worthy the cause in this particular case? How, then could they decide in any future event that another demonstration, however unworthy, should be prevented? Conduct a poll of the attendance on the particular day?
It's clearly reasonable that the GAA executive, as mandated either by Congress or by assumed responsibility for such decision by virtue of their management role, is making a reasonable decision that the only sensible course of action is to ban all political demonstrations. If you disagree, put a motion on the agenda for your next club AGM. But what would it say? All demonstrations are allowed? Only pro-Palestinian ones? What about pro-Ukrainian ones? What about Syria?
Alternatively, organise a demonstration OUTSIDE Croke Park next Sunday against Israeli barbarity in Gaza. I'd join you if I could make it.
Hardy I know what you're saying. However, and maybe this is where we disagree but I happen to think that Croke Park is the people's park. Regardless of management elites, the GAA is not an elite organisation (yet). I have no problem if someone wants to make their voice heard on an issue - do so. If I don't agree with it, I just don't fly that flag, its simple. Are we not mature enough as a nation to allow freedom of expression? Why would you want to ban that? Its like saying well sure everyone in the GAA should just remain neutral at all times - we are all human beings with opinions. Thats like saying Donal Og Cusack should not have came out in defense of his homosexuality. Why? Are we all so delicate?
You don't seethe possibility of mayhem, chaos and madness if everybody can use Croke Park on match day as his own personal soap box?
Not really, I happen to have faith that we are more of a homogenous, unified and mature community than that. I doubt that anyone is going to bring a nazi flag into Croke Park anytime soon. Any other issue and its simply a matter of opinion. And I agree with you, if people's voices were being heard in other areas, then fine, keep sport separate. But what have the government done thus far only to ignore what the people are calling for! The reason it has to be Croke Park, is because it will be the only place whereby they cannot ignore us as the cameras cannot turn away! If we have a demonstration outside they will continue to laugh up their sleeves and ignore us. The camera's are inside and thats where me and the flag of Palestine will be. Anyone doesn't agree, just don't bring one!
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 04:41:18 PM
I happen to think that Croke Park is the people's park.
It's the GAA's Park. The people have to pay to get in to see games in it. ;)
Quote from: Rossfan on August 06, 2014, 05:42:20 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 04:41:18 PM
I happen to think that Croke Park is the people's park.
It's the GAA's Park. The people have to pay to get in to see games in it. ;)
And what is the GAA if not the people Rossfan? ;) Has it suddenly turned into a dictatorship that I didn't know had happened?
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 05:56:30 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 06, 2014, 05:42:20 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 04:41:18 PM
I happen to think that Croke Park is the people's park.
It's the GAA's Park. The people have to pay to get in to see games in it. ;)
And what is the GAA if not the people Rossfan? ;) Has it suddenly turned into a dictatorship that I didn't know had happened?
Why would the GAA having members allow you or anyone else to do what they please? You're a single person. Even here it's pretty murky whether a majority of GAA members agree with your stance on using Croke Park as a staging ground for a demonstration.
They are within their rights to decide if they want to remove any banners they want from their stadium. Surely it's not the first time you've seen a sporting organisation shy away from political statements?
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2014, 06:12:16 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 05:56:30 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 06, 2014, 05:42:20 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 04:41:18 PM
I happen to think that Croke Park is the people's park.
It's the GAA's Park. The people have to pay to get in to see games in it. ;)
And what is the GAA if not the people Rossfan? ;) Has it suddenly turned into a dictatorship that I didn't know had happened?
Why would the GAA having members allow you or anyone else to do what they please? You're a single person. Even here it's pretty murky whether a majority of GAA members agree with your stance on using Croke Park as a staging ground for a demonstration.
They are within their rights to decide if they want to remove any banners they want from their stadium. Surely it's not the first time you've seen a sporting organisation shy away from political statements?
But one founded through political activism doing so I would call on it to explain their hypocrisy! Also, I don't care if the majority of GAA members agree with me. I am not harming them, nor require their permission to fly a flag. Just deal with the fact that people have a voice, either collectively or individually and stop trying to take offence where none is intended.
Quote from: Sidney on August 06, 2014, 12:29:46 AM
Quote from: rossiewanderer on August 06, 2014, 12:22:41 AM
I dont support Israel you complete and utter clown.
Er...yeah...sure you don't.
Quote from: rossiewanderer on July 22, 2014, 02:41:14 PM
Israel are the right side in this unfolding tragedy.
No amount of esteemed professional Palestinian protesters in this country who continually quote out of context will convince me otherwise.In fact many of the rabble that constitutes these protests should get people thinking,Hang on a minute here....
Quote from: rossiewanderer on July 21, 2014, 08:29:31 AM
Hamas use woman and children as human shields.The civilian death toll they are engineering is
part of a grotesque tactical play to garner international intervention(which will never happen) and to provoke a reaction from the murderously out of control Muslim world.
Hamas have the blood of their own people on their hands.
Israel has the right to defend herself.
Quote from: rossiewanderer on July 22, 2014, 12:48:24 PM
Hamas are killing their own people,They are responsible for their dead children.They can stop this killing at any time but they prefer to sacrifice their own people and film the wailing cries of publicly
filmed funerals in a callous bid to instigate anti-Israel sentiment throughout the world.
Where did I state I supported Israel???
Israel had the right to defend itself like any other country under attack.
Israel does not have the right to commit war crimes which I have already stated many times that they have done and which is totally reprehensible but which would not suit your selective agenda
Hamas and the military response by Israel are responsible for dead children and civilians.
So going by your rationale,You Sidney support Hamas,You support using woman and children as human shields,You support suicide bombers,You support using schools to launch rockets.
People have the right to bring a Palestine, Isreal or british flag into Croke Park if they so wish I do not have a problem with that.
However People do not have the right to bring an IRA or Hamas flag into Croke Park or any other Terrorist flag for that matter.
Quote from: rossiewanderer on August 06, 2014, 06:20:38 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 06, 2014, 12:29:46 AM
Quote from: rossiewanderer on August 06, 2014, 12:22:41 AM
I dont support Israel you complete and utter clown.
Er...yeah...sure you don't.
Quote from: rossiewanderer on July 22, 2014, 02:41:14 PM
Israel are the right side in this unfolding tragedy.
No amount of esteemed professional Palestinian protesters in this country who continually quote out of context will convince me otherwise.In fact many of the rabble that constitutes these protests should get people thinking,Hang on a minute here....
Quote from: rossiewanderer on July 21, 2014, 08:29:31 AM
Hamas use woman and children as human shields.The civilian death toll they are engineering is
part of a grotesque tactical play to garner international intervention(which will never happen) and to provoke a reaction from the murderously out of control Muslim world.
Hamas have the blood of their own people on their hands.
Israel has the right to defend herself.
Quote from: rossiewanderer on July 22, 2014, 12:48:24 PM
Hamas are killing their own people,They are responsible for their dead children.They can stop this killing at any time but they prefer to sacrifice their own people and film the wailing cries of publicly
filmed funerals in a callous bid to instigate anti-Israel sentiment throughout the world.
Where did I state I supported Israel???
Israel had the right to defend itself like any other country under attack.
Israel does not have the right to commit war crimes which I have already stated many times that they have done and which is totally reprehensible but which would not suit your selective agenda
Hamas and the military response by Israel are responsible for dead children and civilians.
So going by your rationale,You Sidney support Hamas,You support using woman and children as human shields,You support suicide bombers,You support using schools to launch rockets.
I have highlighted in bold the only bit that matters. Either you have changed your mind on that point, or it is completely reasonable to say you support Israel
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 04:15:33 PM
I hope to God that if our own grandchildren are ever in any war situation, that people will not take your stance because they will be screwed - no disrespect to you, you're entitled to your stance on this. I just think Ireland has lost a wee bit of its soul and courage more's the pity!
I'd have thought that Israel would be a little more cognisant about the mass slaughter of innocents judging by the trials that have followed since WWII. Does the current conflict revoke their right to continually refer to it?
Quote from: whitey on August 06, 2014, 03:19:20 PM
what happens if someone shows up with an Hamas flag or a Hezbollah flag as happened within the last week at other demonstrations Can you imagine the damage that would do to the GAA worldwide?
I wonder will the hawkers outside Croke Park be selling Hezbollah or Hamas flags outside the grounds these weekend?
Sounds like there is a demand on them according to whitey.
Without googling them I'd have no idea what they look like and neither would a TV audience.
Generally people realise that flying emblems in the midst of people who won't appreciate it tend not to do so. Can't imagine walking on the glorious twelfth with a tricolour....
Quote from: HiMucker on August 06, 2014, 06:27:06 PM
Quote from: rossiewanderer on August 06, 2014, 06:20:38 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 06, 2014, 12:29:46 AM
Quote from: rossiewanderer on August 06, 2014, 12:22:41 AM
I dont support Israel you complete and utter clown.
Er...yeah...sure you don't.
Quote from: rossiewanderer on July 22, 2014, 02:41:14 PM
Israel are the right side in this unfolding tragedy.
No amount of esteemed professional Palestinian protesters in this country who continually quote out of context will convince me otherwise.In fact many of the rabble that constitutes these protests should get people thinking,Hang on a minute here....
Quote from: rossiewanderer on July 21, 2014, 08:29:31 AM
Hamas use woman and children as human shields.The civilian death toll they are engineering is
part of a grotesque tactical play to garner international intervention(which will never happen) and to provoke a reaction from the murderously out of control Muslim world.
Hamas have the blood of their own people on their hands.
Israel has the right to defend herself.
Quote from: rossiewanderer on July 22, 2014, 12:48:24 PM
Hamas are killing their own people,They are responsible for their dead children.They can stop this killing at any time but they prefer to sacrifice their own people and film the wailing cries of publicly
filmed funerals in a callous bid to instigate anti-Israel sentiment throughout the world.
Where did I state I supported Israel???
Israel had the right to defend itself like any other country under attack.
Israel does not have the right to commit war crimes which I have already stated many times that they have done and which is totally reprehensible but which would not suit your selective agenda
Hamas and the military response by Israel are responsible for dead children and civilians.
So going by your rationale,You Sidney support Hamas,You support using woman and children as human shields,You support suicide bombers,You support using schools to launch rockets.
I have highlighted in bold the only bit that matters. Either you have changed your mind on that point, or it is completely reasonable to say you support Israel
It is completely reasonable to say that you are a muppet.
Over two weeks ago and many posts ago Israel was in the right to defend itself and I still believe that.
Mr Sidney took the time to trawl through my posts over a long period on a personal ego boosting exercise to prove that I am an 'Israel supporter' through quoting me in a selective manner.
I believe the dead children in Gaza are a result of HAMAS actions and ISRAEL raections and since war crimes.
Quote from: rossiewanderer on August 06, 2014, 06:24:50 PM
People have the right to bring a Palestine, Isreal or british flag into Croke Park if they so wish I do not have a problem with that.
However People do not have the right to bring an IRA or Hamas flag into Croke Park or any other Terrorist flag for that matter.
What is an IRA flag? Some ridiculously would argue it's a tricolour.
What's a terrorist? Some would argue Michael Collins was a terrorist.
Why does British not get a capital 'B'? ;)
Rossie how about telling us boys from the North what a IRA flag is? cant really figure seeing one living up here all my life, maybe as u living in the cossie wee republic you can tell us what one looks like?
Its big loud and very oppressed.
It was an analogy my good man,Good day to you.I am off out into the cosy fresh air of the Republic.
Ross on what do you base your stance on all this? I'm not trying to be smart here, I just find it hard to understand how some one in this day and age with such access to the internet and seeing what is happening to the people of Gaza can develop or maintain a sympathetic stance towards Israel.
Maybe that should have been on the other thread but sure.
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 05:56:30 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 06, 2014, 05:42:20 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 04:41:18 PM
I happen to think that Croke Park is the people's park.
It's the GAA's Park. The people have to pay to get in to see games in it. ;)
And what is the GAA if not the people Rossfan? ;)
The GAA is not "the people". It is the
members of CLCG only. A lot of " the people" who go to support teams are in fact NOT members of the GAA and in effect have no say in how it's run or what decisions it makes at whatever level. They are of course perfectly entitled to comment or criticise those decisions but they have no say in them if they're not members.
Just for the record I think Israel is a rogue State which has built illegal settlements on illegally grabbed land, is denying basic human existence to the people of Gaza, and has committed war crimes in Gaza this summer not to mention on previous occasions and further back the massacres in Lebanon in 1982 etc.
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Quote from: dferg on August 06, 2014, 02:04:04 PM
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Did Lincoln really say that?
The Irish News will be covering the story tomorrow regarding the flag issue at Croke Park, along with an interview with lads who were involved. Watch out for it.......
Quote from: give her dixie on August 06, 2014, 10:39:04 PM
The Irish News will be covering the story tomorrow regarding the flag issue at Croke Park, along with an interview with lads who were involved. Watch out for it.......
If the above isn't a good pisstake I'm going to be severely disappointed.
Is there anything but flag trouble going on in Ulster? Is there a weekly Fleg pull-out so everyone is up to date on the newest thing to be outraged over?
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We always have flag trouble!! The Belfast Telegraph are currently taking in suggestions for a new NI flag. This is my personal favourite. ( I hope the picture shows)
By the way my opinion on the conflict. The actions of Israel in the past have created Hamas, they are who the Palestinians have voted for, whether the Israels or the USA like it or not. The legacy of the conflict will be many dead innocent people and a new generation of Palestinians who hate Israel. Israels actions are indefensible and should be condemned by all, instead of this the USA sponsors the massacre by providing more funding and more ammunition.
Best of luck to all who take part in a Pro-Palestine/humanitarian demonstration on Saturday.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 06, 2014, 10:05:05 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 05:56:30 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 06, 2014, 05:42:20 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 04:41:18 PM
I happen to think that Croke Park is the people's park.
It's the GAA's Park. The people have to pay to get in to see games in it. ;)
And what is the GAA if not the people Rossfan? ;)
The GAA is not "the people". It is the members of CLCG only. A lot of " the people" who go to support teams are in fact NOT members of the GAA and in effect have no say in how it's run or what decisions it makes at whatever level. They are of course perfectly entitled to comment or criticise those decisions but they have no say in them if they're not members.
Just for the record I think Israel is a rogue State which has built illegal settlements on illegally grabbed land, is denying basic human existence to the people of Gaza, and has committed war crimes in Gaza this summer not to mention on previous occasions and further back the massacres in Lebanon in 1982 etc.
Well good that has cleared that up then as I am a member of CLCG, so therefore should have my voice heard yes?
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2014, 10:46:44 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on August 06, 2014, 10:39:04 PM
The Irish News will be covering the story tomorrow regarding the flag issue at Croke Park, along with an interview with lads who were involved. Watch out for it.......
If the above isn't a good pisstake I'm going to be severely disappointed.
Is there anything but flag trouble going on in Ulster? Is there a weekly Fleg pull-out so everyone is up to date on the newest thing to be outraged over?
Well Syferus thank God we in Ulster didn't rely on people like you to take a stand for us or else we'd still be in the shit! ;)
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2014, 10:46:44 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on August 06, 2014, 10:39:04 PM
The Irish News will be covering the story tomorrow regarding the flag issue at Croke Park, along with an interview with lads who were involved. Watch out for it.......
If the above isn't a good pisstake I'm going to be severely disappointed.
Is there anything but flag trouble going on in Ulster? Is there a weekly Fleg pull-out so everyone is up to date on the newest thing to be outraged over?
Some of us are more outraged by the ongoing Genocide in Palestine than others.
Too true, general theme from roscommon appears to be pro Israel anti occupied six. Anti IRA. My sister went with a lad from there once, he was a cnut too. Horrible shower of scuba divers.
I guess old John 3:7 should be fucked out of croker too. What if evert religious crack pot came with their own sign, it would be mayhem!
Quote from: charlieTully on August 06, 2014, 11:30:32 PM
Too true, general theme from roscommon appears to be pro Israel anti occupied six. Anti IRA. My sister went with a lad from there once, he was a cnut too. Horrible shower of scuba divers.
God forbid anyone could be anti IRA.Whatever you like to think Charlie you imbecile god bless you.
Quote from: Itchy on August 06, 2014, 11:35:25 PM
I guess old John 3:7 should be fucked out of croker too. What if evert religious crack pot came with their own sign, it would be mayhem!
Quote from: rossiewanderer on August 07, 2014, 12:25:07 AM
God forbid anyone could be anti IRA.Whatever you like to think Charlie you imbecile god bless you.
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Quote from: rossiewanderer on August 07, 2014, 12:25:07 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on August 06, 2014, 11:30:32 PM
Too true, general theme from roscommon appears to be pro Israel anti occupied six. Anti IRA. My sister went with a lad from there once, he was a cnut too. Horrible shower of scuba divers.
God forbid anyone could be anti IRA.Whatever you like to think Charlie you imbecile god bless you.
No response?
This is fvckin comical.......God forbid someone can have a different opinion or perspective
My way or the highway around here
Quote from: Hardy on August 06, 2014, 05:09:49 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on August 06, 2014, 04:48:38 PM
This is a humanitarian cause, not a political one
OK - replace "political" with "humanitarian" in my post and the same logic applies. You can't have free-for-all demonstrations or a play-it-by-ear policy. I don't think the GAA is being callous about Gaza and I don't buy the shite about not offending Sky. It's simply the only tenable policy.
It may be the same logic, but 'standing idly by' becomes more obvious, and much harder to stomach. I wouldn't like to see the day when the GAA and GAA members rejected all charitable appeals en masse because it may offend someone, or open floodgates.
I have a photo on the wall here of a half time protest in Davitt Park Lurgan when the four in a row Kerry team travelled to play Armagh. The protest was in support of the prisoners taking part in the 1980 Hunger Strike. Despite open knowledge of the inhuman conditions within the gaol at the time, the GAA sent out edicts that the matter was not to be raised at any club meeting and displays of support were banned. Now I'm not saying that the GAA supporting that protest would have ensured it's success and prevented the deaths of those who died in the second Hunger Strike the following year, however more support from civic Ireland would have made it more difficult for the Brits to renege on the deal which was struck. This was all the more important because Section 32 had most of the prisoners spokespeople banned from the media. Now again we have media and civic society silent while human rights are abused in what is effectively a concentration camp in Gaza. So yes I'll be in Croke Park on Saturday to support Armagh and will be carrying a Palestinian flag to show solidarity with the people in Gaza. The faces in that photograph are becoming less recognisable as the years go on, but the one thing we all remember about that year was that the only time a prisoners spokesperson managed to get on RTE was when Micheál Ó Muircheartaigh gave 5 minutes national airtime, at half time in the Davitt Park game between Armagh and Kerry.
Quote from: haranguerer on August 07, 2014, 08:00:22 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 06, 2014, 05:09:49 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on August 06, 2014, 04:48:38 PM
This is a humanitarian cause, not a political one
OK - replace "political" with "humanitarian" in my post and the same logic applies. You can't have free-for-all demonstrations or a play-it-by-ear policy. I don't think the GAA is being callous about Gaza and I don't buy the shite about not offending Sky. It's simply the only tenable policy.
It may be the same logic, but 'standing idly by' becomes more obvious, and much harder to stomach. I wouldn't like to see the day when the GAA and GAA members rejected all charitable appeals en masse because it may offend someone, or open floodgates.
The GAA is only "standing idly by" on one more issue than you. How does your hierarchy of issues take precedence?
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 11:09:25 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 06, 2014, 10:05:05 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 05:56:30 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 06, 2014, 05:42:20 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 04:41:18 PM
I happen to think that Croke Park is the people's park.
It's the GAA's Park. The people have to pay to get in to see games in it. ;)
And what is the GAA if not the people Rossfan? ;)
The GAA is not "the people". It is the members of CLCG only. A lot of " the people" who go to support teams are in fact NOT members of the GAA and in effect have no say in how it's run or what decisions it makes at whatever level. They are of course perfectly entitled to comment or criticise those decisions but they have no say in them if they're not members.
Just for the record I think Israel is a rogue State which has built illegal settlements on illegally grabbed land, is denying basic human existence to the people of Gaza, and has committed war crimes in Gaza this summer not to mention on previous occasions and further back the massacres in Lebanon in 1982 etc.
Well good that has cleared that up then as I am a member of CLCG, so therefore should have my voice heard yes?
It seems to me that you're looking for more than having your voice heard, Aoise. You're arguing that your personal opinion should override the policy of the GAA management which, until there's reason to believe otherwise, would seem to have the support of the majority of members.
If you think otherwise, put that motion on your club AGM agenda. That's how you get your voice heard in the GAA.
Quote from: rossiewanderer on August 06, 2014, 06:49:51 PM
It is completely reasonable to say that you are a muppet.
There's enough people accusing me of being O'Neill with you claiming that I'm a duplicate account of a different poster.
Quote from: rossiewanderer on August 06, 2014, 06:49:51 PM
Over two weeks ago and many posts ago Israel was in the right to defend itself and I still believe that.
Mr Sidney took the time to trawl through my posts over a long period on a personal ego boosting exercise to prove that I am an 'Israel supporter' through quoting me in a selective manner.
I believe the dead children in Gaza are a result of HAMAS actions and ISRAEL raections and since war crimes.
Rest assured that I didn't have to spend too much time to find those posts, which clearly show you are a supporter of Israel. Was "Hannity" good last night? Does he still have the stars over his little sheriff badge?
Quote from: Hardy on August 07, 2014, 12:04:57 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on August 07, 2014, 08:00:22 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 06, 2014, 05:09:49 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on August 06, 2014, 04:48:38 PM
This is a humanitarian cause, not a political one
OK - replace "political" with "humanitarian" in my post and the same logic applies. You can't have free-for-all demonstrations or a play-it-by-ear policy. I don't think the GAA is being callous about Gaza and I don't buy the shite about not offending Sky. It's simply the only tenable policy.
It may be the same logic, but 'standing idly by' becomes more obvious, and much harder to stomach. I wouldn't like to see the day when the GAA and GAA members rejected all charitable appeals en masse because it may offend someone, or open floodgates.
The GAA is only "standing idly by" on one more issue than you. How does your hierarchy of issues take precedence?
My point re it being a humanitarian crisis is, the GAAs charitable floodgates are already open, and rightly so. So rather than asking, where the line should be drawn, (with most saying none for fear of all) we should be asking, why was the line drawn here?
It seems the GAA or whoever was responsible for the removal of the flag, had similar views to the BBC when it refused to broadcast the DECs appeal for aid for Gaza in 2009
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-28686516
They would appear to have realised this was bad judgement given they, and sky, are broadcasting the current one, perhaps the GAA just need to realise they are no longer 'keeping up with the jones's' by removing the palestinian flag.
Firstly Aoise, one more vowel and you'd have all 5. There are protests against the actions of Israel all over the world. Why not Croke Park too? Freedom of speech? What are the names of the stands in Croke? Some could find them offensive. I've read the first link on this thread and believe aoise is doing this out of a sense of respect and not for any individual need or ego. You have all my respect and I hope to see a sea of green black white and red this weekend. Nobody stood up for the jews and we know what happened during ww2. Now the shoe is on the other foot.
Is this really about the Palestinian plight or about getting one over the GAA (or Rupert Murdoch's Sky)?
I'd argue the 2nd as Aoise doesn't appear to be doing anything else to actively highlight/help the Palestinian's.
Quote from: whitey on August 07, 2014, 01:55:43 AM
This is fvckin comical.......God forbid someone can have a different opinion or perspective
My way or the highway around here
It's not a question of not accepting there are different opinions, I am just genuinely trying to find out what you and others form your opinions on. It's difficult to keep this solely confined to the topic because of the context.
I've read through previous posts and now see where you you at least partially form some of your thoughts and I'm a bit more clued in about them.
Quote from: thebigfella on August 07, 2014, 01:39:22 PM
Is this really about the Palestinian plight or about getting one over the GAA (or Rupert Murdoch's Sky)?
I'd argue the 2nd as Aoise doesn't appear to be doing anything else to actively highlight/help the Palestinian's.
1) Why would I want to get one over on the GAA as I am a lifelong member and supporter? That really doesn't make sense. I don't happen to think Rupert Murdoch will be too interested in what happens on Saturday as I'm sure he won't be personally watching, however, if one of the reasons for stopping the flying of a flag in Croke Park was anything to do with a Sky Corporation directive - that I would have an issue with!
2) I'm not going to degrade myself by trotting out on here what I do or don't do for the people of Gaza. As you don't know me personally then you cannot make any assumptions on that. One thing is for sure though, I'd say reading by your message that I'm doing one thing more than you! Also, its not about me, I simply started a thread on something that I felt people had a right to know about. I'll leave it up to your own conscience as to whether or not you want to participate, as is your right!
Quote from: Hardy on August 07, 2014, 12:04:57 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on August 07, 2014, 08:00:22 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 06, 2014, 05:09:49 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on August 06, 2014, 04:48:38 PM
This is a humanitarian cause, not a political one
OK - replace "political" with "humanitarian" in my post and the same logic applies. You can't have free-for-all demonstrations or a play-it-by-ear policy. I don't think the GAA is being callous about Gaza and I don't buy the shite about not offending Sky. It's simply the only tenable policy.
It may be the same logic, but 'standing idly by' becomes more obvious, and much harder to stomach. I wouldn't like to see the day when the GAA and GAA members rejected all charitable appeals en masse because it may offend someone, or open floodgates.
The GAA is only "standing idly by" on one more issue than you. How does your hierarchy of issues take precedence?
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 11:09:25 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 06, 2014, 10:05:05 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 05:56:30 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 06, 2014, 05:42:20 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 04:41:18 PM
I happen to think that Croke Park is the people's park.
It's the GAA's Park. The people have to pay to get in to see games in it. ;)
And what is the GAA if not the people Rossfan? ;)
The GAA is not "the people". It is the members of CLCG only. A lot of " the people" who go to support teams are in fact NOT members of the GAA and in effect have no say in how it's run or what decisions it makes at whatever level. They are of course perfectly entitled to comment or criticise those decisions but they have no say in them if they're not members.
Just for the record I think Israel is a rogue State which has built illegal settlements on illegally grabbed land, is denying basic human existence to the people of Gaza, and has committed war crimes in Gaza this summer not to mention on previous occasions and further back the massacres in Lebanon in 1982 etc.
Well good that has cleared that up then as I am a member of CLCG, so therefore should have my voice heard yes?
It seems to me that you're looking for more than having your voice heard, Aoise. You're arguing that your personal opinion should override the policy of the GAA management which, until there's reason to believe otherwise, would seem to have the support of the majority of members.
If you think otherwise, put that motion on your club AGM agenda. That's how you get your voice heard in the GAA.
Hardy what do you think an individual could do in two days? My club AGM is not until December. Do you want me to contact Netanyahu and tell him to hold off till then? There is an urgency to this and to be frank, the GAA management have not consulted the people on this so by democratic convention they really don't have the right to tell individual people not to support this particular issue. What are they basing it on? Its not party political!
Quote from: ardal on August 07, 2014, 01:24:09 PM
Firstly Aoise, one more vowel and you'd have all 5. There are protests against the actions of Israel all over the world. Why not Croke Park too? Freedom of speech? What are the names of the stands in Croke? Some could find them offensive. I've read the first link on this thread and believe aoise is doing this out of a sense of respect and not for any individual need or ego. You have all my respect and I hope to see a sea of red green black white and red this weekend. Nobody stood up for the jews and we know what happened during ww2. Now the shoe is on the other foot.
Thanks for the support Ardal! Yes, I thought the 'S' was necessary too. ;)
Quote from: Aoise on August 07, 2014, 02:05:15 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on August 07, 2014, 01:39:22 PM
Is this really about the Palestinian plight or about getting one over the GAA (or Rupert Murdoch's Sky)?
I'd argue the 2nd as Aoise doesn't appear to be doing anything else to actively highlight/help the Palestinian's.
1) Why would I want to get one over on the GAA as I am a lifelong member and supporter? That really doesn't make sense. I don't happen to think Rupert Murdoch will be too interested in what happens on Saturday as I'm sure he won't be personally watching, however, if one of the reasons for stopping the flying of a flag in Croke Park was anything to do with a Sky Corporation directive - that I would have an issue with!
You have read you very first post I assume?
Quote from: whitey on August 06, 2014, 03:19:20 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 02:46:29 PM
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Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 01:26:49 PM
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Quote from: illdecide on August 05, 2014, 08:00:52 PM
I'm not into politics at all but I certainly disagree with what's happening over there and I'd support anything that would stop it but any rallies or support should be kept away from inside of any sports grounds. I want to see plenty of Armagh flags and I still grin at the tongue and cheek flag from the Garvaghy Rd men on tour but that's as far as it should go and all other flags and emblems should be kept for another day for a rally or protest...
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No you wouldn't support anything that was happening to stop it as you have an issue with an innocent flag in Croke Park! So how would you support anything when you have a problem with this? So stop being disingenuous and just tell the truth, people just don't care! I'll accept that but don't use this sport is apolitical nonsense - it doesn't make sense considering the majority of people in the country are outraged by this. Just out of curiosity, why is it such a problem if a flag opposing the slaughter of innocence is taken into Croke Park? Explain why those people who want to are in the wrong?
Aoise...contrary to what most posters on here think.....there are 2 sides to this conflict
The mere suggestion of a dissenting show of solidarity for the Israeli side was met with an "Id have a word in their ear" comment from a pro Palestinian supporter.
In fairness he did follow up and say he would be non confrontational, BUT I think any fair minded person could see this cpuld spiral out of control very quickly
You are right, there are 2 sides Whitey. One that is the fourth biggest military power in the world, the other who are getting slaughtered on a daily basis. How in the name of God could this spiral out of control? This is a humanitarian issue, why would someone get offended at anyone showing support for people who are being killed? I just don't get it! I thought that at least Irish people could show that regardless of the contextual history in Palestine, that what is happening is wrong - pure and simple! Do you think what is happening to the people of Gaza is right?
Aoise.....I have already had more than enough to say on the other thread so let's keep this about the flags. Here's my point-(a) what happens if a counter demonstrations takes place? (It's unlikely but possible) (b) what happens if someone shows up with an Hamas flag or a Hezbollah flag as happened within the last week at other demonstrations Can you imagine the damage that would do to the GAA worldwide?
If you're worried about damaging the GAA worldwide I would say so long as no one shows up with the Stars and Stripes all will be ok. When all is said and done the USA is the biggest killer and warmonger on the planet. Just ask the Vietnamese or Iraqis (among others) and they'll tell you. Hezbollah and Hamas are small fry in the grand scheme of things. You need to take off your Red, White and Blue tinted glasses Whitey.
Quote from: Aoise on August 07, 2014, 02:05:15 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on August 07, 2014, 01:39:22 PM
Is this really about the Palestinian plight or about getting one over the GAA (or Rupert Murdoch's Sky)?
I'd argue the 2nd as Aoise doesn't appear to be doing anything else to actively highlight/help the Palestinian's.
2) I'm not going to degrade myself by trotting out on here what I do or don't do for the people of Gaza. As you don't know me personally then you cannot make any assumptions on that. One thing is for sure though, I'd say reading by your message that I'm doing one thing more than you! Also, its not about me, I simply started a thread on something that I felt people had a right to know about. I'll leave it up to your own conscience as to whether or not you want to participate, as is your right!
My conscience is just fine so spare us all the emotional blackmail tripe.
Quote from: thebigfella on August 07, 2014, 02:16:41 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 07, 2014, 02:05:15 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on August 07, 2014, 01:39:22 PM
Is this really about the Palestinian plight or about getting one over the GAA (or Rupert Murdoch's Sky)?
I'd argue the 2nd as Aoise doesn't appear to be doing anything else to actively highlight/help the Palestinian's.
1) Why would I want to get one over on the GAA as I am a lifelong member and supporter? That really doesn't make sense. I don't happen to think Rupert Murdoch will be too interested in what happens on Saturday as I'm sure he won't be personally watching, however, if one of the reasons for stopping the flying of a flag in Croke Park was anything to do with a Sky Corporation directive - that I would have an issue with!
You have read you very first post I assume?
My very first post was about a sky tv directive that was apparently mentioned by the officials last Saturday. I still stand by that. If the reason why they took the flag down had anything to do with Sky Tv, then I have an issue with that. Do you not?
Quote from: thebigfella on August 07, 2014, 02:19:30 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 07, 2014, 02:05:15 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on August 07, 2014, 01:39:22 PM
Is this really about the Palestinian plight or about getting one over the GAA (or Rupert Murdoch's Sky)?
I'd argue the 2nd as Aoise doesn't appear to be doing anything else to actively highlight/help the Palestinian's.
2) I'm not going to degrade myself by trotting out on here what I do or don't do for the people of Gaza. As you don't know me personally then you cannot make any assumptions on that. One thing is for sure though, I'd say reading by your message that I'm doing one thing more than you! Also, its not about me, I simply started a thread on something that I felt people had a right to know about. I'll leave it up to your own conscience as to whether or not you want to participate, as is your right!
My conscience is just fine so spare us all the emotional blackmail tripe.
No doubt it is! I would well believe it. Tell me then Big Fella as you haven't actually gave an opinion on anything apart from me, who incidentally you don't know. Do you support the right of GAA members to quietly demonstrate in Croke Park on a humanitarian issue?
The GAA has in the not too distant past allowed itself to be a political football, i.e. the visit of Lizzy and the greek lad to Croke Park was all about politics as they might as well have went off to Tallagh stadium so lets not kid ourselves that the GAA is above politics.
If the GAA was above politics then Christy Cooney should have told Mary McAleese where to go when she wanted to show how nationalist Ireland had moved on and was now in friendly mode with our lovely aristocratic neighbours.
Fly your Palestine flag or even your Israeli flag in Croke Park if you want but in no way should the GAA be trying to dictate the narrative to the paying patrons and more than likely paid up members of the association to appease Sky, or whoever sponsors, but IMO I don't think the Murdocks or Sky will give a flying f**k if the place was awash with Palestine flags and the GAA shouldn't feel the need to apologise for it either.
What exactly will displaying Palestinian flags at a match in Croke Park do to help the poor people in Gaza?
A flying picket following every Government Minister might just have a bit more ( although of no practical use really) effect on the morons who abstained in that UN vote.
I believe there's a mandate march on the Israeli Embassy on Saturday. That, to me, is more effective. However, I can see the point that the media may, or may not, decide to show that march. It'll be hard for the cameras not to show a flag at the match if there are a good few there.
However, I'd be uncomfortable that this would be construed as support for Hamas, as opposed to a protest against Israeli action. Protests like this can be very easily misinterpreted or spun.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 07, 2014, 02:48:51 PM
I believe there's a mandate march on the Israeli Embassy on Saturday. That, to me, is more effective. However, I can see the point that the media may, or may not, decide to show that march. It'll be hard for the cameras not to show a flag at the match if there are a good few there.
However, I'd be uncomfortable that this would be construed as support for Hamas, as opposed to a protest against Israeli action. Protests like this can be very easily misinterpreted or spun.
Why would anyone apart from Israeli propagandists see it as support for Hamas? The Palestinian flag is not Hamas' flag therefore that is a moot point. There have been numerous marches to the Isreali embassy, each one as ignored as the rest. This is why it has to be inside Croke Park. The ambassador still sits in Ireland looking on while we have a Government so chicken shit that they cannot deal with what is a humanitarian crisis. A crisis bear in mind that has been escalated by weapons and machinery built and bought on this island!!! David Norris had it right this week when he said Ireland's actions have been shameful. Beyond contempt.
I don't disagree with any of that. But like it or not, this *will* be seen or spun as pro Hamas by some people. Especially as the protest is not 'framed' or put in context by any official means.
I don't recall the GAA having any problem with American flags at the 2001 All-Ireland football final.
This was 12 days after September 11th.
True Sidney.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 07, 2014, 02:46:04 PM
What exactly will displaying Palestinian flags at a match in Croke Park do to help the poor people in Gaza?
A flying picket following every Government Minister might just have a bit more ( although of no practical use really) effect on the morons who abstained in that UN vote.
Rossfan, you have never been in a conflict situation obviously or you would know well what global recognition of your plight means to the people. If citizens in other parts of the world show solidarity with the people of Gaza and it is visible (because the protests thus far certainly are not thanks to the media), it gives them some hope that something may be done from the international community to help them. Social media will get those images to them instantly, and if it only gives someone hope then what harm?
More importantly, a stadium flying flags on a humanitarian cause will not allow the Government to continue to ignore this crisis. And that is the purpose of this. We are being made mugs off by these Governments. They work for us for God's sake - make them remember that. And maybe next time there is a vote at the UN or anywhere else on a humanitarian issue, they may just look over their shoulder at the people a wee bit more than they have, and vote properly to save lives. I'm not saying one demonstration in Croke Park will do this on its own, but its a small start.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 07, 2014, 03:00:36 PM
I don't disagree with any of that. But like it or not, this *will* be seen or spun as pro Hamas by some people. Especially as the protest is not 'framed' or put in context by any official means.
I agree, but then what do we do? Do we do nothing because we are afraid of propagandists? Or do we just do the right thing? I think the latter because people have rights of expression, and when that is done within a peaceful respectful context, then anyone who will spin it, will simply be wrong! This is a black and white issue - there is no grey area on this. Children are dying, they are now starving with no water/homes/sanitation. If the west don't provide these and soon more children will die. We have to try something!
Quote from: johnneycool on August 07, 2014, 02:34:41 PM
The GAA has in the not too distant past allowed itself to be a political football, i.e. the visit of Lizzy and the greek lad to Croke Park was all about politics as they might as well have went off to Tallagh stadium so lets not kid ourselves that the GAA is above politics.
If the GAA was above politics then Christy Cooney should have told Mary McAleese where to go when she wanted to show how nationalist Ireland had moved on and was now in friendly mode with our lovely aristocratic neighbours.
Fly your Palestine flag or even your Israeli flag in Croke Park if you want but in no way should the GAA be trying to dictate the narrative to the paying patrons and more than likely paid up members of the association to appease Sky, or whoever sponsors, but IMO I don't think the Murdocks or Sky will give a flying f**k if the place was awash with Palestine flags and the GAA shouldn't feel the need to apologise for it either.
Who is "the GAA"? It's you and me. As I keep saying, if you disagree with policy, there's a procedure open to you to have it changed. In the meantime, I'm sorry, but the current policy is the one mandated - i.e, it is de facto the policy of the majority of the membership. On what basis should your (by definition, minority) opinion override that of the majority?
As a matter of interest, what will be the wording of your AGM proposal?
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 07, 2014, 03:00:36 PM
I don't disagree with any of that. But like it or not, this *will* be seen or spun as pro Hamas by some people. Especially as the protest is not 'framed' or put in context by any official means.
I dont believe that to be true at all. There have been many pro-palestinian marches, and the only people who have spun them as pro hamas are willie frazer and his ilk. If you're going to try to amend your behaviour to avoid offending those particular sensibilities, you'll have a lot of amending to do
Quote from: haranguerer on August 07, 2014, 03:24:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 07, 2014, 03:00:36 PM
I don't disagree with any of that. But like it or not, this *will* be seen or spun as pro Hamas by some people. Especially as the protest is not 'framed' or put in context by any official means.
I dont believe that to be true at all. There have been many pro-palestinian marches, and the only people who have spun them as pro hamas are willie frazer and his ilk. If you're going to try to amend your behaviour to avoid offending those particular sensibilities, you'll have a lot of amending to do
Haranguerer.....Hamas and Hezbollah flags have been evident at rallies within the past week in Ireland. I put links up to the actual pictures on the other thread if you want to see them for yourself
Quote from: Aoise on August 07, 2014, 02:11:23 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 07, 2014, 12:04:57 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on August 07, 2014, 08:00:22 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 06, 2014, 05:09:49 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on August 06, 2014, 04:48:38 PM
This is a humanitarian cause, not a political one
OK - replace "political" with "humanitarian" in my post and the same logic applies. You can't have free-for-all demonstrations or a play-it-by-ear policy. I don't think the GAA is being callous about Gaza and I don't buy the shite about not offending Sky. It's simply the only tenable policy.
It may be the same logic, but 'standing idly by' becomes more obvious, and much harder to stomach. I wouldn't like to see the day when the GAA and GAA members rejected all charitable appeals en masse because it may offend someone, or open floodgates.
The GAA is only "standing idly by" on one more issue than you. How does your hierarchy of issues take precedence?
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 11:09:25 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 06, 2014, 10:05:05 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 05:56:30 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 06, 2014, 05:42:20 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 06, 2014, 04:41:18 PM
I happen to think that Croke Park is the people's park.
It's the GAA's Park. The people have to pay to get in to see games in it. ;)
And what is the GAA if not the people Rossfan? ;)
The GAA is not "the people". It is the members of CLCG only. A lot of " the people" who go to support teams are in fact NOT members of the GAA and in effect have no say in how it's run or what decisions it makes at whatever level. They are of course perfectly entitled to comment or criticise those decisions but they have no say in them if they're not members.
Just for the record I think Israel is a rogue State which has built illegal settlements on illegally grabbed land, is denying basic human existence to the people of Gaza, and has committed war crimes in Gaza this summer not to mention on previous occasions and further back the massacres in Lebanon in 1982 etc.
Well good that has cleared that up then as I am a member of CLCG, so therefore should have my voice heard yes?
It seems to me that you're looking for more than having your voice heard, Aoise. You're arguing that your personal opinion should override the policy of the GAA management which, until there's reason to believe otherwise, would seem to have the support of the majority of members.
If you think otherwise, put that motion on your club AGM agenda. That's how you get your voice heard in the GAA.
Hardy what do you think an individual could do in two days?
Throw a few bob to the Red Cross. Call the Israeli embassy. Write to your TD. Protest anywhere you're allowed to.
QuoteMy club AGM is not until December. Do you want me to contact Netanyahu and tell him to hold off till then?
Because flying your flag in Croke Park WILL make him call it off?
QuoteThere is an urgency to this and to be frank, the GAA management have not consulted the people on this so by democratic convention they really don't have the right to tell individual people not to support this particular issue. What are they basing it on? Its not party political!
I don't know. I know that the way we're supposed to do things is to change policy by the procedure, not just unilaterally flout any rule, policy or procedure we disagree with.
Look, I sympathise with your enthusiasm to highlight the barbarity in Gaza. I just don't think you need to make the GAA the villain and I don't think it's going to make an iota of difference to one child in Gaza if your protest has to be outside the stadium until you have permission to protest inside it. And I think the GAA management's policy, such as it is, is reasonable if only for the reason that hard cases make bad law and I don't want the GAA to have to explain down the line that they had to allow a pro-Israeli demo because they had already allowed a pro-Palestine one. You may say that it would be outrageous to allow a pro-Israeli demo. Well voila! That's the problem and the reason it's unfair to have the GAA and its delegated management trying to make ad hoc decisions on geopolitical issues instead of sporting ones.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 07, 2014, 03:02:15 PM
True Sidney.
So, I wonder do the people who think this flag in support of the people of Gaza shouldn't be allowed, thus also think the GAA and the Gardai should have intervened to get the American flags in the crowd at the 2001 All-Ireland football final removed, bearing in mind that it's unlikely that they were being flown in support of the then upcoming invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, which even then had already been well flagged in the media?
Quote from: Hardy on August 07, 2014, 03:19:45 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 07, 2014, 02:34:41 PM
The GAA has in the not too distant past allowed itself to be a political football, i.e. the visit of Lizzy and the greek lad to Croke Park was all about politics as they might as well have went off to Tallagh stadium so lets not kid ourselves that the GAA is above politics.
If the GAA was above politics then Christy Cooney should have told Mary McAleese where to go when she wanted to show how nationalist Ireland had moved on and was now in friendly mode with our lovely aristocratic neighbours.
Fly your Palestine flag or even your Israeli flag in Croke Park if you want but in no way should the GAA be trying to dictate the narrative to the paying patrons and more than likely paid up members of the association to appease Sky, or whoever sponsors, but IMO I don't think the Murdocks or Sky will give a flying f**k if the place was awash with Palestine flags and the GAA shouldn't feel the need to apologise for it either.
Who is "the GAA"? It's you and me. As I keep saying, if you disagree with policy, there's a procedure open to you to have it changed. In the meantime, I'm sorry, but the current policy is the one mandated - i.e, it is de facto the policy of the majority of the membership. On what basis should your (by definition, minority) opinion override that of the majority?
As a matter of interest, what will be the wording of your AGM proposal?
"The GAA" I'm referring to is the central council who make pretty big decisions without going back to you and me.
Do I expect them to ask me of my clubs opinion on every matter, no I don't as that is unworkable but they are still accountable for their actions or inactions.
If a member of the association was asked to remove a flag due to the sensitivities of a certain broadcaster or for any other reason I'd be asking what rule of the association I broke and if the steward did come up with a rule in the official guide I'd be looking to amend it accordingly.
Not sure there is a rule banning people from flying flags or banners in the official guide though!
Quote from: johnneycool on August 07, 2014, 04:20:02 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 07, 2014, 03:19:45 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 07, 2014, 02:34:41 PM
The GAA has in the not too distant past allowed itself to be a political football, i.e. the visit of Lizzy and the greek lad to Croke Park was all about politics as they might as well have went off to Tallagh stadium so lets not kid ourselves that the GAA is above politics.
If the GAA was above politics then Christy Cooney should have told Mary McAleese where to go when she wanted to show how nationalist Ireland had moved on and was now in friendly mode with our lovely aristocratic neighbours.
Fly your Palestine flag or even your Israeli flag in Croke Park if you want but in no way should the GAA be trying to dictate the narrative to the paying patrons and more than likely paid up members of the association to appease Sky, or whoever sponsors, but IMO I don't think the Murdocks or Sky will give a flying f**k if the place was awash with Palestine flags and the GAA shouldn't feel the need to apologise for it either.
Who is "the GAA"? It's you and me. As I keep saying, if you disagree with policy, there's a procedure open to you to have it changed. In the meantime, I'm sorry, but the current policy is the one mandated - i.e, it is de facto the policy of the majority of the membership. On what basis should your (by definition, minority) opinion override that of the majority?
As a matter of interest, what will be the wording of your AGM proposal?
"The GAA" I'm referring to is the central council who make pretty big decisions without going back to you and me.
Do I expect them to ask me of my clubs opinion on every matter, no I don't as that is unworkable but they are still accountable for their actions or inactions.
If a member of the association was asked to remove a flag due to the sensitivities of a certain broadcaster or for any other reason I'd be asking what rule of the association I broke and if the steward did come up with a rule in the official guide I'd be looking to amend it accordingly.
Not sure there is a rule banning people from flying flags or banners in the official guide though!
Yes Johnny it would be very interesting to see what rule or procedure they are indeed using? Does anyone know? Just so I can have it at hand when attending my AGM in December. ;-)
Quote from: Hardy on August 07, 2014, 03:36:48 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 07, 2014, 02:11:23 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 07, 2014, 12:04:57 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on August 07, 2014, 08:00:22 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 06, 2014, 05:09:49 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on August 06, 2014, 04:48:38 PM
This is a humanitarian cause, not a political one
OK - replace "political" with "humanitarian" in my post and the same logic applies. You can't have free-for-all demonstrations or a play-it-by-ear policy. I don't think the GAA is being callous about Gaza and I don't buy the shite about not offending Sky. It's simply the only tenable policy.
It may be the same logic, but 'standing idly by' becomes more obvious, and much harder to stomach. I wouldn't like to see the day when the GAA and GAA members rejected all charitable appeals en masse because it may offend someone, or open floodgates.
The GAA is only "standing idly by" on one more issue than you. How does your hierarchy of issues take precedence?
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I happen to think that Croke Park is the people's park.
It's the GAA's Park. The people have to pay to get in to see games in it. ;)
And what is the GAA if not the people Rossfan? ;)
The GAA is not "the people". It is the members of CLCG only. A lot of " the people" who go to support teams are in fact NOT members of the GAA and in effect have no say in how it's run or what decisions it makes at whatever level. They are of course perfectly entitled to comment or criticise those decisions but they have no say in them if they're not members.
Just for the record I think Israel is a rogue State which has built illegal settlements on illegally grabbed land, is denying basic human existence to the people of Gaza, and has committed war crimes in Gaza this summer not to mention on previous occasions and further back the massacres in Lebanon in 1982 etc.
Well good that has cleared that up then as I am a member of CLCG, so therefore should have my voice heard yes?
It seems to me that you're looking for more than having your voice heard, Aoise. You're arguing that your personal opinion should override the policy of the GAA management which, until there's reason to believe otherwise, would seem to have the support of the majority of members.
If you think otherwise, put that motion on your club AGM agenda. That's how you get your voice heard in the GAA.
Hardy what do you think an individual could do in two days?
Throw a few bob to the Red Cross. Call the Israeli embassy. Write to your TD. Protest anywhere you're allowed to.
QuoteMy club AGM is not until December. Do you want me to contact Netanyahu and tell him to hold off till then?
Because flying your flag in Croke Park WILL make him call it off?
QuoteThere is an urgency to this and to be frank, the GAA management have not consulted the people on this so by democratic convention they really don't have the right to tell individual people not to support this particular issue. What are they basing it on? Its not party political!
I don't know. I know that the way we're supposed to do things is to change policy by the procedure, not just unilaterally flout any rule, policy or procedure we disagree with.
Look, I sympathise with your enthusiasm to highlight the barbarity in Gaza. I just don't think you need to make the GAA the villain and I don't think it's going to make an iota of difference to one child in Gaza if your protest has to be outside the stadium until you have permission to protest inside it. And I think the GAA management's policy, such as it is, is reasonable if only for the reason that hard cases make bad law and I don't want the GAA to have to explain down the line that they had to allow a pro-Israeli demo because they had already allowed a pro-Palestine one. You may say that it would be outrageous to allow a pro-Israeli demo. Well voila! That's the problem and the reason it's unfair to have the GAA and its delegated management trying to make ad hoc decisions on geopolitical issues instead of sporting ones.
Look Hardy, stop trying to complicate things for God's sake. Its a humanitarian cause that should offend no-one. If anyone is offended by a humanitarian cause (can't even believe I'm writing that) then they need to go and ask themselves some questions. Stop deflecting by talking about policies and procedures which up until now no-one has paid a blind bit of heed to, thats if they even exist outside of 'party' politics. You are seeming overly pedantic on this. Its up to each individual what they do. No-one is forcing it!
Has this thread not sufficiently convinced you this is hardly the black and white issue you thought it was to begin with, Aoise? There's little sense of a unified voice against the GAA deciding what flags it wants paraded in its stands or of the value of mingling geopolitics with sport.
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I'm not into politics at all but I certainly disagree with what's happening over there and I'd support anything that would stop it but any rallies or support should be kept away from inside of any sports grounds. I want to see plenty of Armagh flags and I still grin at the tongue and cheek flag from the Garvaghy Rd men on tour but that's as far as it should go and all other flags and emblems should be kept for another day for a rally or protest...
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No you wouldn't support anything that was happening to stop it as you have an issue with an innocent flag in Croke Park! So how would you support anything when you have a problem with this? So stop being disingenuous and just tell the truth, people just don't care! I'll accept that but don't use this sport is apolitical nonsense - it doesn't make sense considering the majority of people in the country are outraged by this. Just out of curiosity, why is it such a problem if a flag opposing the slaughter of innocence is taken into Croke Park? Explain why those people who want to are in the wrong?
Aoise...contrary to what most posters on here think.....there are 2 sides to this conflict
The mere suggestion of a dissenting show of solidarity for the Israeli side was met with an "Id have a word in their ear" comment from a pro Palestinian supporter.
In fairness he did follow up and say he would be non confrontational, BUT I think any fair minded person could see this cpuld spiral out of control very quickly
You are right, there are 2 sides Whitey. One that is the fourth biggest military power in the world, the other who are getting slaughtered on a daily basis. How in the name of God could this spiral out of control? This is a humanitarian issue, why would someone get offended at anyone showing support for people who are being killed? I just don't get it! I thought that at least Irish people could show that regardless of the contextual history in Palestine, that what is happening is wrong - pure and simple! Do you think what is happening to the people of Gaza is right?
Aoise.....I have already had more than enough to say on the other thread so let's keep this about the flags. Here's my point-(a) what happens if a counter demonstrations takes place? (It's unlikely but possible) (b) what happens if someone shows up with an Hamas flag or a Hezbollah flag as happened within the last week at other demonstrations Can you imagine the damage that would do to the GAA worldwide?
If you're worried about damaging the GAA worldwide I would say so long as no one shows up with the Stars and Stripes all will be ok. When all is said and done the USA is the biggest killer and warmonger on the planet. Just ask the Vietnamese or Iraqis (among others) and they'll tell you. Hezbollah and Hamas are small fry in the grand scheme of things. You need to take off your Red, White and Blue
No one in the Republican movement seems too worried about the Vietnamese when they're over here fundraising though-LOL.
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/jerome-reilly-sinn-fein-war-chest-swells-as-global-ties-pay-big-dividends-26828222.html
The hypocrisy ids nauseating to say the least
No point Syferus. Left him at it 5 pages ago. He is clear in own his convictions, so the rest of us MUST BE WRONG.
Quote from: Syferus on August 07, 2014, 04:36:25 PM
Has this thread not sufficiently convinced you this is hardly the black and white issue you thought it was to begin with, Aoise? There's little sense of a unified voice against the GAA deciding what flags it wants paraded in its stands or of the value of mingling geopolitics with sport.
Is there any topic anywhere that everyone agrees on? The GAA (whoever they are) doesn't have to endorse it any more than they have to endorse John Hogan and his John 3:7 banner.
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No point Syferus. Left him at it 5 pages ago. He is clear in own his convictions, so the rest of us MUST BE WRONG.
You say
the rest of us must be wrong, like it is Aoise vs everyone else on gaaboard. It is clearly not. Some people agree with Aoise some don't.
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No point Syferus. Left him at it 5 pages ago. He is clear in own his convictions, so the rest of us MUST BE WRONG.
Time for a straw poll
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No point Syferus. Left him at it 5 pages ago. He is clear in own his convictions, so the rest of us MUST BE WRONG.
Not so sure everyone agrees with you on the flags issue to be fair.
Also, I am not a fascist. I have said on numerous occasions that it is up to everyone individually what they do - obviously. I am not trying to make anyone feel bad about not bringing a flag, I am simply responding to those who are telling me and others that we are wrong for bringing one. I hope you can be reasonable and see the difference in that!
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No point Syferus. Left him at it 5 pages ago. He is clear in own his convictions, so the rest of us MUST BE WRONG.
Not so sure everyone agrees with you on the flags issue to be fair.
Also, I am not a fascist. I have said on numerous occasions that it is up to everyone individually what they do - obviously. I am not trying to make anyone feel bad about not bringing a flag, I am simply responding to those who are telling me and others that we are wrong for bringing one. I hope you can be reasonable and see the difference in that!
So you're a libertarian. Unfortunately for you Ireland and the GAA isn't.
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Quote from: thewobbler on August 07, 2014, 04:39:50 PM
No point Syferus. Left him at it 5 pages ago. He is clear in own his convictions, so the rest of us MUST BE WRONG.
Not so sure everyone agrees with you on the flags issue to be fair.
Also, I am not a fascist. I have said on numerous occasions that it is up to everyone individually what they do - obviously. I am not trying to make anyone feel bad about not bringing a flag, I am simply responding to those who are telling me and others that we are wrong for bringing one. I hope you can be reasonable and see the difference in that!
So you're a libertarian. Unfortunately for you Ireland and the GAA isn't.
There are two strands of libertarianism, neither of which I adhere to strictly. Ideological boxes do not interest me. But please explain to me in your mind exactly what Ireland and the GAA is? And what did you mean by that in relation to the Gazan issue in Croke Park?
Quote from: Rossfan on August 07, 2014, 02:46:04 PM
What exactly will displaying Palestinian flags at a match in Croke Park do to help the poor people in Gaza?
A flying picket following every Government Minister might just have a bit more ( although of no practical use really) effect on the morons who abstained in that UN vote.
It's on TV. Further highlighting the homicide, showing solidarity to a massive audience, encouraging others to take a stand. It's not as if the Republic of Ireland hasn't passively remonstrated about actions outside it's political control before.
Again I ask those in favour of the removal of the "We Stand With Gaza" flag, whether they would have been in favour of GAA officials and Gardai stepping in to remove American flags at the 2001 All-Ireland football final, 12 days after September 11th?
Quote from: Sidney on August 07, 2014, 05:33:31 PM
Again I ask those in favour of the removal of the "We Stand With Gaza" flag, whether they would have been in favour of GAA officials and Gardai stepping in to remove American flags at the 2001 All-Ireland football final, 12 days after September 11th?
Silence is deafening!
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Quote from: Rossfan on August 07, 2014, 02:46:04 PM
What exactly will displaying Palestinian flags at a match in Croke Park do to help the poor people in Gaza?
A flying picket following every Government Minister might just have a bit more ( although of no practical use really) effect on the morons who abstained in that UN vote.
It's on TV. Further highlighting the homicide, showing solidarity to a massive audience, encouraging others to take a stand. It's not as if the Republic of Ireland hasn't passively remonstrated about actions outside it's political control before.
Give me a f**king break
Quote from: Ulick on August 07, 2014, 08:51:54 AM
I have a photo on the wall here of a half time protest in Davitt Park Lurgan when the four in a row Kerry team travelled to play Armagh. The protest was in support of the prisoners taking part in the 1980 Hunger Strike. Despite open knowledge of the inhuman conditions within the gaol at the time, the GAA sent out edicts that the matter was not to be raised at any club meeting and displays of support were banned. Now I'm not saying that the GAA supporting that protest would have ensured it's success and prevented the deaths of those who died in the second Hunger Strike the following year, however more support from civic Ireland would have made it more difficult for the Brits to renege on the deal which was struck. This was all the more important because Section 32 had most of the prisoners spokespeople banned from the media. Now again we have media and civic society silent while human rights are abused in what is effectively a concentration camp in Gaza. So yes I'll be in Croke Park on Saturday to support Armagh and will be carrying a Palestinian flag to show solidarity with the people in Gaza. The faces in that photograph are becoming less recognisable as the years go on, but the one thing we all remember about that year was that the only time a prisoners spokesperson managed to get on RTE was when Micheál Ó Muircheartaigh gave 5 minutes national airtime, at half time in the Davitt Park game between Armagh and Kerry.
Public solidarity on issues forces the government to make decisions. Whether this is at a Gaelic Match or a protest outside an embassy the right to free expression should still be allowed.
I will never forget the gardai who beat up irish men and women outside the british embassy in 1981.
The attitude of the majority of people in the 26 counties has always been one of apathy as long as it doesnt affect them. And even if it does just look at the lack of effort in the bailout protests FFS.
Easy to turn a blind eye to a conflict thousands of miles away, just try sidestep it and leave it to someone else.
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Quote from: Rossfan on August 07, 2014, 02:46:04 PM
What exactly will displaying Palestinian flags at a match in Croke Park do to help the poor people in Gaza?
A flying picket following every Government Minister might just have a bit more ( although of no practical use really) effect on the morons who abstained in that UN vote.
It's on TV. Further highlighting the homicide, showing solidarity to a massive audience, encouraging others to take a stand. It's not as if the Republic of Ireland hasn't passively remonstrated about actions outside it's political control before.
Give me a f**king break
I'm beginning to think you just don't like it when people decide not to be sheeple and make their own decisions Big Fella! ;-)
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Quote from: ardal on August 07, 2014, 05:32:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 07, 2014, 02:46:04 PM
What exactly will displaying Palestinian flags at a match in Croke Park do to help the poor people in Gaza?
A flying picket following every Government Minister might just have a bit more ( although of no practical use really) effect on the morons who abstained in that UN vote.
It's on TV. Further highlighting the homicide, showing solidarity to a massive audience, encouraging others to take a stand. It's not as if the Republic of Ireland hasn't passively remonstrated about actions outside it's political control before.
Give me a f**king break
I'm beginning to think you just don't like it when people decide not to be sheeple and make their own decisions Big Fella! ;-)
Aren't you the one who began this by assuming everyone would blindly follow your logic and make some sort of huge protest at Saturday's matches? Pot and kettle.
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Quote from: Rossfan on August 07, 2014, 02:46:04 PM
What exactly will displaying Palestinian flags at a match in Croke Park do to help the poor people in Gaza?
A flying picket following every Government Minister might just have a bit more ( although of no practical use really) effect on the morons who abstained in that UN vote.
It's on TV. Further highlighting the homicide, showing solidarity to a massive audience, encouraging others to take a stand. It's not as if the Republic of Ireland hasn't passively remonstrated about actions outside it's political control before.
Give me a f**king break
I'm beginning to think you just don't like it when people decide not to be sheeple and make their own decisions Big Fella! ;-)
Aren't you the one who began this by assuming everyone would blindly follow your logic and make some sort of huge protest at Saturday's matches? Pot and kettle.
Re-read the thread please. I simply asked that those who were of the same mindset to do the same. For those who aren't, then don't! It really is that simple. People not sheeple remember?
I for one will be in Croke Park on Saturday proudly flying my "Tyrone to Gaza" flag alongside the big Armagh one. Plus, I will be selling Palestinine flags before the game in order to raise awareness and funds for Medical Aid for Palestine.
Solidarity to Gaza from Croke Park...................
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Quote from: Sidney on August 07, 2014, 05:33:31 PM
Again I ask those in favour of the removal of the "We Stand With Gaza" flag, whether they would have been in favour of GAA officials and Gardai stepping in to remove American flags at the 2001 All-Ireland football final, 12 days after September 11th?
Silence is deafening!
I'll give it a stab.
You're comparing apples to turnips here. America contains the largest diaspora of Irish people in the world....numbering in the tens of millions who view their Irish heritage as an integral part of their identity. America is a significant trade partner of Ireland's and American Multi national companies employ hundreds of thousand of Irish people. Tourism, one of Ireland biggest industries, is heavily reliant on visitors from the US who indirectly provide employment to tens of thousands of Irish people. Several Irish citizens were also murdered in the attacks on 9/11, not to mention the large number of Irish Americans and dual citizens. Finally, without the input of American politicians like George Mitchell and Bill Clinton
NO such links exist between Ireland and Gaza.
Quote from: give her dixie on August 07, 2014, 06:22:33 PM
I for one will be in Croke Park on Saturday proudly flying my "Tyrone to Gaza" flag alongside the big Armagh one. Plus, I will be selling Palestinine flags before the game in order to raise awareness and funds for Medical Aid for Palestine.
Solidarity to Gaza from Croke Park...................
Good man GHD! Though I always knew you'd be there! ;)
Quote from: whitey on August 07, 2014, 06:27:13 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 07, 2014, 05:36:44 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 07, 2014, 05:33:31 PM
Again I ask those in favour of the removal of the "We Stand With Gaza" flag, whether they would have been in favour of GAA officials and Gardai stepping in to remove American flags at the 2001 All-Ireland football final, 12 days after September 11th?
Silence is deafening!
I'll give it a stab.
You're comparing apples to turnips here. America contains the largest diaspora of Irish people in the world....numbering in the tens of millions who view their Irish heritage as an integral part of their identity. America is a significant trade partner of Ireland's and American Multi national companies employ hundreds of thousand of Irish people. Tourism, one of Ireland biggest industries, is heavily reliant on visitors from the US who indirectly provide employment to tens of thousands of Irish people. Several Irish citizens were also murdered in the attacks on 9/11, not to mention the large number of Irish Americans and dual citizens. Finally, without the input of American politicians like George Mitchell and Bill Clinton
NO such links exist between Ireland and Gaza.
My God money, money money!!! What about the human link Whitey? I think the point Sidney is making is that you cannot pick and choose. American flags are seen to be an oppressive emblem to many nations, yet, they flew unhindered in Croke Park. And that is fine if people felt strongly enough, so if its ok for one, it has to be ok for another. And Croke Park had no problem with it then. So whats the gripe now?
Quote from: whitey on August 07, 2014, 04:39:28 PM
No one in the Republican movement seems too worried about the Vietnamese when they're over here fundraising though-LOL.
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/jerome-reilly-sinn-fein-war-chest-swells-as-global-ties-pay-big-dividends-26828222.html
The hypocrisy ids nauseating to say the least
What have the Republican movement to do with flying Palestinian flags in Croke Park? You're away off on a tangent.
If I brought a Gay Pride flag to Croke would anyone object?
"Money, money money"- you conveniently ignored the other components of my argument and pulled out what suited your agenda
Well what about all of the support that the Republican movement received from Irish Americans, Noraid and politicians such as Republican Peter King ring their struggle....I could go on and on but I think you already have your mind made up on this one.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_T._King#Support_for_the_IRA
Quote from: whitey on August 07, 2014, 06:27:13 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 07, 2014, 05:36:44 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 07, 2014, 05:33:31 PM
Again I ask those in favour of the removal of the "We Stand With Gaza" flag, whether they would have been in favour of GAA officials and Gardai stepping in to remove American flags at the 2001 All-Ireland football final, 12 days after September 11th?
Silence is deafening!
I'll give it a stab.
You're comparing apples to turnips here. America contains the largest diaspora of Irish people in the world....numbering in the tens of millions who view their Irish heritage as an integral part of their identity. America is a significant trade partner of Ireland's and American Multi national companies employ hundreds of thousand of Irish people. Tourism, one of Ireland biggest industries, is heavily reliant on visitors from the US who indirectly provide employment to tens of thousands of Irish people. Several Irish citizens were also murdered in the attacks on 9/11, not to mention the large number of Irish Americans and dual citizens. Finally, without the input of American politicians like George Mitchell and Bill Clinton
NO such links exist between Ireland and Gaza.
So basically the situations are pretty similar (apart from the continuing hardship the people of Gaza will have for the foreseeable future face as opposed to 9/11 being a one-off event) it's just a case of, well they're people like us and they bring money into the country, whereas the people in Gaza are just a bunch of Muslims.
Unfortunately I do think there's a element of racism to that view.
Quote from: ONeill on August 07, 2014, 06:44:52 PM
If I brought a Gay Pride flag to Croke would anyone object?
I think Armagh already have such a symbol on their jersey?
Dont know if anyone has seen the gaa for Gaza fb group. Fans will be bringing Gaza flags into croker
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on August 07, 2014, 06:51:38 PM
Dont know if anyone has seen the gas for Gaza fb group. Fans will be bringing Gaza flags into croker
2,300 members since Tuesday night......
https://www.facebook.com/groups/305563316286941/
Quote from: ONeill on August 07, 2014, 06:44:52 PM
If I brought a Gay Pride flag to Croke would anyone object?
People will think you support the Inca's from Peru....
Quote from: whitey on August 07, 2014, 06:46:38 PM
"Money, money money"- you conveniently ignored the other components of my argument and pulled out what suited your agenda
Well what about all of the support that the Republican movement received from Irish Americans, Noraid and politicians such as Republican Peter King ring their struggle....I could go on and on but I think you already have your mind made up on this one.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_T._King#Support_for_the_IRA
What has that got to do with this issue Whitey? The link is a human one between Ireland and Gaza, as it would be with any other country suffering genocide enabled by Western Governments. The truth is we are only now starting to see the real picture of what our Governments are complicit in thanks to the internet and social media. I can't ignore it. I would also hope that Irish America would be just as appalled by what is happening in their name now as they were with the British involvement in Ireland.
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What exactly will displaying Palestinian flags at a match in Croke Park do to help the poor people in Gaza?
A flying picket following every Government Minister might just have a bit more ( although of no practical use really) effect on the morons who abstained in that UN vote.
It's on TV. Further highlighting the homicide, showing solidarity to a massive audience, encouraging others to take a stand. It's not as if the Republic of Ireland hasn't passively remonstrated about actions outside it's political control before.
Give me a f**king break
I'm beginning to think you just don't like it when people decide not to be sheeple and make their own decisions Big Fella! ;-)
A massive TV audience???? FFS I'd say I have more followers on twitter than will watch the match on TV. People need to get over themselves with this hyperbole.
Actually the majority of people jumping on the Palestine bandwagon
"again" are the sheep. It's a populist cause at the moment; certainly more among the middle class dinner party circuit. You yourself have brought nothing to the debate only bluster about getting one over the GAA and Sky. No fear though because when you are tucking yourself into your nice warm bed on Saturday nights without the threat of Israeli bombs; give yourself a good hard pat on the back as you made your point to the GAA and done your bit for Palestine at the same time. At least GHD and a few others are consistent in their condemnation and support; if there is a ceasefire/solution, you and I suspect like the majority of other sheep will go back to their boring middle class lives looking for the next popular cause.
Also telling everyone you are doing this for a humanitarian reasons is lies; it's a very clear political statement. One I agree with but not hijacked as a point scoring exercise and I (like a number of others) don't agree mixing sport with politics. It's easy to take a flag to an event you are already going or wear ribbon on a jacket to show support etc..... You are not really volunteering any of your life to help but it sure if it makes your conscience feel better ::)
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Quote from: babarino on August 05, 2014, 05:45:27 PM
Note party political - not political. The GAA is and always was political and examples of the organisation taking political positions could be given forever.
Flying the flag of Palestine is not party political. I'm sure there are many from different party political positions that have sympathy with the plight of the people of Gaza.
The Israeli flag happens to feature the Monaghan colours, but you'll not find too many flying it. If someone was to, I'd have a word in the ear, but I couldn't see GAA honchos and gardaí telling them to remove it.
When the GAA apparatchiks start getting squeamish about individual supporters showing cause with the oppressed for fear of offending Zionists with financial clout, that's when we really need to let them know what we think.
The Dubs on the Hill can be counted on if they're aware of what's going on. Let's get behind Aoise and the Garvaghy Road Orangemen on this one.
"You'd have a word in their ear" are you fvcking kidding me. So political expression is fine as long as it conforms to your narrative.
Would you treat the following flags equally:
Palestinian, Israeli & Nazi.
Quote from: thebigfella on August 07, 2014, 08:12:01 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 07, 2014, 05:49:42 PM
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Quote from: ardal on August 07, 2014, 05:32:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 07, 2014, 02:46:04 PM
What exactly will displaying Palestinian flags at a match in Croke Park do to help the poor people in Gaza?
A flying picket following every Government Minister might just have a bit more ( although of no practical use really) effect on the morons who abstained in that UN vote.
It's on TV. Further highlighting the homicide, showing solidarity to a massive audience, encouraging others to take a stand. It's not as if the Republic of Ireland hasn't passively remonstrated about actions outside it's political control before.
Give me a f**king break
I'm beginning to think you just don't like it when people decide not to be sheeple and make their own decisions Big Fella! ;-)
A massive TV audience???? FFS I'd say I have more followers on twitter than will watch the match on TV. People need to get over themselves with this hyperbole.
Actually the majority of people jumping on the Palestine bandwagon "again" are the sheep. It's a populist cause at the moment; certainly more among the middle class dinner party circuit. You yourself have brought nothing to the debate only bluster about getting one over the GAA and Sky. No fear though because when you are tucking yourself into your nice warm bed on Saturday nights without the threat of Israeli bombs; give yourself a good hard pat on the back as you made your point to the GAA and done your bit for Palestine at the same time. At least GHD and a few others are consistent in their condemnation and support; if there is a ceasefire/solution, you and I suspect like the majority of other sheep will go back to their boring middle class lives looking for the next popular cause.
Also telling everyone you are doing this for a humanitarian reasons is lies; it's a very clear political statement. One I agree with but not hijacked as a point scoring exercise and I (like a number of others) don't agree mixing sport with politics. It's easy to take a flag to an event you are already going or wear ribbon on a jacket to show support etc..... You are not really volunteering any of your life to help but it sure if it makes your conscience feel better ::)
Are you actually serious??? lol You don't know me! You don't know what I do or don't do so don't hide behind a keyboard anonymously and attack anyone for acting on their conscience. More followers on twitter than will watch the All Ireland Senior Football Quarter finals? - Your just showing yourself up now! Get over yourself if your ego will let you, but I don't think it will. You're obviously a good GAA man alright if you don't know the global audience it has. And for the record, its not getting one over on the GAA, if I felt the need to do that I wouldn't be a lifelong member and supporter, I would soon withdraw it. This is not about the GAA or any opposition to it as well you know. Its simply about GAA members using an occasion to take a stand. And my ego isn't that big to dictate to you or anyone else a list of what I do for any cause. Your a simple troll who gratifies himself in anonymity. But you are very humorous in your ridiculousness, keep it up! :)
I love that you finished with a smiley face. :)
Quote from: CD on August 07, 2014, 08:41:47 PM
I love that you finished with a smiley face. :)
In reality, I'm laughing my ass off CD! ;-)
Quote from: Aoise on August 07, 2014, 08:34:16 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on August 07, 2014, 08:12:01 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 07, 2014, 05:49:42 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on August 07, 2014, 05:38:53 PM
Quote from: ardal on August 07, 2014, 05:32:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 07, 2014, 02:46:04 PM
What exactly will displaying Palestinian flags at a match in Croke Park do to help the poor people in Gaza?
A flying picket following every Government Minister might just have a bit more ( although of no practical use really) effect on the morons who abstained in that UN vote.
It's on TV. Further highlighting the homicide, showing solidarity to a massive audience, encouraging others to take a stand. It's not as if the Republic of Ireland hasn't passively remonstrated about actions outside it's political control before.
Give me a f**king break
I'm beginning to think you just don't like it when people decide not to be sheeple and make their own decisions Big Fella! ;-)
A massive TV audience???? FFS I'd say I have more followers on twitter than will watch the match on TV. People need to get over themselves with this hyperbole.
Actually the majority of people jumping on the Palestine bandwagon "again" are the sheep. It's a populist cause at the moment; certainly more among the middle class dinner party circuit. You yourself have brought nothing to the debate only bluster about getting one over the GAA and Sky. No fear though because when you are tucking yourself into your nice warm bed on Saturday nights without the threat of Israeli bombs; give yourself a good hard pat on the back as you made your point to the GAA and done your bit for Palestine at the same time. At least GHD and a few others are consistent in their condemnation and support; if there is a ceasefire/solution, you and I suspect like the majority of other sheep will go back to their boring middle class lives looking for the next popular cause.
Also telling everyone you are doing this for a humanitarian reasons is lies; it's a very clear political statement. One I agree with but not hijacked as a point scoring exercise and I (like a number of others) don't agree mixing sport with politics. It's easy to take a flag to an event you are already going or wear ribbon on a jacket to show support etc..... You are not really volunteering any of your life to help but it sure if it makes your conscience feel better ::)
Are you actually serious??? lol You don't know me! You don't know what I do or don't do so don't hide behind a keyboard anonymously and attack anyone for acting on their conscience. More followers on twitter than will watch the All Ireland Senior Football Quarter finals? - Your just showing yourself up now! Get over yourself if your ego will let you, but I don't think it will. You're obviously a good GAA man alright if you don't know the global audience it has. And for the record, its not getting one over on the GAA, if I felt the need to do that I wouldn't be a lifelong member and supporter, I would soon withdraw it. This is not about the GAA or any opposition to it as well you know. Its simply about GAA members using an occasion to take a stand. And my ego isn't that big to dictate to you or anyone else a list of what I do for any cause. Your a simple troll who gratifies himself in anonymity. But you are very humorous in your ridiculousness, keep it up! :)
Ah yeah the twitter comment is lost on you ::)
Quote from: thebigfella on August 07, 2014, 08:58:46 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 07, 2014, 08:34:16 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on August 07, 2014, 08:12:01 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 07, 2014, 05:49:42 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on August 07, 2014, 05:38:53 PM
Quote from: ardal on August 07, 2014, 05:32:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 07, 2014, 02:46:04 PM
What exactly will displaying Palestinian flags at a match in Croke Park do to help the poor people in Gaza?
A flying picket following every Government Minister might just have a bit more ( although of no practical use really) effect on the morons who abstained in that UN vote.
It's on TV. Further highlighting the homicide, showing solidarity to a massive audience, encouraging others to take a stand. It's not as if the Republic of Ireland hasn't passively remonstrated about actions outside it's political control before.
Give me a f**king break
I'm beginning to think you just don't like it when people decide not to be sheeple and make their own decisions Big Fella! ;-)
A massive TV audience???? FFS I'd say I have more followers on twitter than will watch the match on TV. People need to get over themselves with this hyperbole.
Actually the majority of people jumping on the Palestine bandwagon "again" are the sheep. It's a populist cause at the moment; certainly more among the middle class dinner party circuit. You yourself have brought nothing to the debate only bluster about getting one over the GAA and Sky. No fear though because when you are tucking yourself into your nice warm bed on Saturday nights without the threat of Israeli bombs; give yourself a good hard pat on the back as you made your point to the GAA and done your bit for Palestine at the same time. At least GHD and a few others are consistent in their condemnation and support; if there is a ceasefire/solution, you and I suspect like the majority of other sheep will go back to their boring middle class lives looking for the next popular cause.
Also telling everyone you are doing this for a humanitarian reasons is lies; it's a very clear political statement. One I agree with but not hijacked as a point scoring exercise and I (like a number of others) don't agree mixing sport with politics. It's easy to take a flag to an event you are already going or wear ribbon on a jacket to show support etc..... You are not really volunteering any of your life to help but it sure if it makes your conscience feel better ::)
Are you actually serious??? lol You don't know me! You don't know what I do or don't do so don't hide behind a keyboard anonymously and attack anyone for acting on their conscience. More followers on twitter than will watch the All Ireland Senior Football Quarter finals? - Your just showing yourself up now! Get over yourself if your ego will let you, but I don't think it will. You're obviously a good GAA man alright if you don't know the global audience it has. And for the record, its not getting one over on the GAA, if I felt the need to do that I wouldn't be a lifelong member and supporter, I would soon withdraw it. This is not about the GAA or any opposition to it as well you know. Its simply about GAA members using an occasion to take a stand. And my ego isn't that big to dictate to you or anyone else a list of what I do for any cause. Your a simple troll who gratifies himself in anonymity. But you are very humorous in your ridiculousness, keep it up! :)
Ah yeah the twitter comment is lost on you ::)
You are lost on me!
Quote from: Aoise on August 07, 2014, 09:00:10 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on August 07, 2014, 08:58:46 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 07, 2014, 08:34:16 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on August 07, 2014, 08:12:01 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 07, 2014, 05:49:42 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on August 07, 2014, 05:38:53 PM
Quote from: ardal on August 07, 2014, 05:32:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 07, 2014, 02:46:04 PM
What exactly will displaying Palestinian flags at a match in Croke Park do to help the poor people in Gaza?
A flying picket following every Government Minister might just have a bit more ( although of no practical use really) effect on the morons who abstained in that UN vote.
It's on TV. Further highlighting the homicide, showing solidarity to a massive audience, encouraging others to take a stand. It's not as if the Republic of Ireland hasn't passively remonstrated about actions outside it's political control before.
Give me a f**king break
I'm beginning to think you just don't like it when people decide not to be sheeple and make their own decisions Big Fella! ;-)
A massive TV audience???? FFS I'd say I have more followers on twitter than will watch the match on TV. People need to get over themselves with this hyperbole.
Actually the majority of people jumping on the Palestine bandwagon "again" are the sheep. It's a populist cause at the moment; certainly more among the middle class dinner party circuit. You yourself have brought nothing to the debate only bluster about getting one over the GAA and Sky. No fear though because when you are tucking yourself into your nice warm bed on Saturday nights without the threat of Israeli bombs; give yourself a good hard pat on the back as you made your point to the GAA and done your bit for Palestine at the same time. At least GHD and a few others are consistent in their condemnation and support; if there is a ceasefire/solution, you and I suspect like the majority of other sheep will go back to their boring middle class lives looking for the next popular cause.
Also telling everyone you are doing this for a humanitarian reasons is lies; it's a very clear political statement. One I agree with but not hijacked as a point scoring exercise and I (like a number of others) don't agree mixing sport with politics. It's easy to take a flag to an event you are already going or wear ribbon on a jacket to show support etc..... You are not really volunteering any of your life to help but it sure if it makes your conscience feel better ::)
Are you actually serious??? lol You don't know me! You don't know what I do or don't do so don't hide behind a keyboard anonymously and attack anyone for acting on their conscience. More followers on twitter than will watch the All Ireland Senior Football Quarter finals? - Your just showing yourself up now! Get over yourself if your ego will let you, but I don't think it will. You're obviously a good GAA man alright if you don't know the global audience it has. And for the record, its not getting one over on the GAA, if I felt the need to do that I wouldn't be a lifelong member and supporter, I would soon withdraw it. This is not about the GAA or any opposition to it as well you know. Its simply about GAA members using an occasion to take a stand. And my ego isn't that big to dictate to you or anyone else a list of what I do for any cause. Your a simple troll who gratifies himself in anonymity. But you are very humorous in your ridiculousness, keep it up! :)
Ah yeah the twitter comment is lost on you ::)
You are lost on me!
Judging by the reaction on the facebook page Saturday should be a success lad, some folk disagree and thats fair enough, you will always get it, it is like the ones who say ach sure let them walk Garvaghy road its only a few minutes, or let them march past the Ardoyne shops, or let 50/50 towns be bedecked in union jacks its only a couple of months. Its the way of Ireland, always has and always will be.
Quote from: charlieTully on August 07, 2014, 09:10:20 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 07, 2014, 09:00:10 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on August 07, 2014, 08:58:46 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 07, 2014, 08:34:16 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on August 07, 2014, 08:12:01 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 07, 2014, 05:49:42 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on August 07, 2014, 05:38:53 PM
Quote from: ardal on August 07, 2014, 05:32:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 07, 2014, 02:46:04 PM
What exactly will displaying Palestinian flags at a match in Croke Park do to help the poor people in Gaza?
A flying picket following every Government Minister might just have a bit more ( although of no practical use really) effect on the morons who abstained in that UN vote.
It's on TV. Further highlighting the homicide, showing solidarity to a massive audience, encouraging others to take a stand. It's not as if the Republic of Ireland hasn't passively remonstrated about actions outside it's political control before.
Give me a f**king break
I'm beginning to think you just don't like it when people decide not to be sheeple and make their own decisions Big Fella! ;-)
A massive TV audience???? FFS I'd say I have more followers on twitter than will watch the match on TV. People need to get over themselves with this hyperbole.
Actually the majority of people jumping on the Palestine bandwagon "again" are the sheep. It's a populist cause at the moment; certainly more among the middle class dinner party circuit. You yourself have brought nothing to the debate only bluster about getting one over the GAA and Sky. No fear though because when you are tucking yourself into your nice warm bed on Saturday nights without the threat of Israeli bombs; give yourself a good hard pat on the back as you made your point to the GAA and done your bit for Palestine at the same time. At least GHD and a few others are consistent in their condemnation and support; if there is a ceasefire/solution, you and I suspect like the majority of other sheep will go back to their boring middle class lives looking for the next popular cause.
Also telling everyone you are doing this for a humanitarian reasons is lies; it's a very clear political statement. One I agree with but not hijacked as a point scoring exercise and I (like a number of others) don't agree mixing sport with politics. It's easy to take a flag to an event you are already going or wear ribbon on a jacket to show support etc..... You are not really volunteering any of your life to help but it sure if it makes your conscience feel better ::)
Are you actually serious??? lol You don't know me! You don't know what I do or don't do so don't hide behind a keyboard anonymously and attack anyone for acting on their conscience. More followers on twitter than will watch the All Ireland Senior Football Quarter finals? - Your just showing yourself up now! Get over yourself if your ego will let you, but I don't think it will. You're obviously a good GAA man alright if you don't know the global audience it has. And for the record, its not getting one over on the GAA, if I felt the need to do that I wouldn't be a lifelong member and supporter, I would soon withdraw it. This is not about the GAA or any opposition to it as well you know. Its simply about GAA members using an occasion to take a stand. And my ego isn't that big to dictate to you or anyone else a list of what I do for any cause. Your a simple troll who gratifies himself in anonymity. But you are very humorous in your ridiculousness, keep it up! :)
Ah yeah the twitter comment is lost on you ::)
You are lost on me!
Judging by the reaction on the facebook page Saturday should be a success lad, some folk disagree and thats fair enough, you will always get it, it is like the ones who say ach sure let them walk Garvaghy road its only a few minutes, or let them march past the Ardoyne shops, or let 50/50 towns be bedecked in union jacks its only a couple of months. Its the way of Ireland, always has and always will be.
Thanks Charlie! Very true.
I was wondering how long this would take to become a thinly-veined proxy war about the north.
Quote from: Aoise on August 07, 2014, 09:16:04 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on August 07, 2014, 09:10:20 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 07, 2014, 09:00:10 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on August 07, 2014, 08:58:46 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 07, 2014, 08:34:16 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on August 07, 2014, 08:12:01 PM
Quote from: Aoise on August 07, 2014, 05:49:42 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on August 07, 2014, 05:38:53 PM
Quote from: ardal on August 07, 2014, 05:32:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 07, 2014, 02:46:04 PM
What exactly will displaying Palestinian flags at a match in Croke Park do to help the poor people in Gaza?
A flying picket following every Government Minister might just have a bit more ( although of no practical use really) effect on the morons who abstained in that UN vote.
It's on TV. Further highlighting the homicide, showing solidarity to a massive audience, encouraging others to take a stand. It's not as if the Republic of Ireland hasn't passively remonstrated about actions outside it's political control before.
Give me a f**king break
I'm beginning to think you just don't like it when people decide not to be sheeple and make their own decisions Big Fella! ;-)
A massive TV audience???? FFS I'd say I have more followers on twitter than will watch the match on TV. People need to get over themselves with this hyperbole.
Actually the majority of people jumping on the Palestine bandwagon "again" are the sheep. It's a populist cause at the moment; certainly more among the middle class dinner party circuit. You yourself have brought nothing to the debate only bluster about getting one over the GAA and Sky. No fear though because when you are tucking yourself into your nice warm bed on Saturday nights without the threat of Israeli bombs; give yourself a good hard pat on the back as you made your point to the GAA and done your bit for Palestine at the same time. At least GHD and a few others are consistent in their condemnation and support; if there is a ceasefire/solution, you and I suspect like the majority of other sheep will go back to their boring middle class lives looking for the next popular cause.
Also telling everyone you are doing this for a humanitarian reasons is lies; it's a very clear political statement. One I agree with but not hijacked as a point scoring exercise and I (like a number of others) don't agree mixing sport with politics. It's easy to take a flag to an event you are already going or wear ribbon on a jacket to show support etc..... You are not really volunteering any of your life to help but it sure if it makes your conscience feel better ::)
Are you actually serious??? lol You don't know me! You don't know what I do or don't do so don't hide behind a keyboard anonymously and attack anyone for acting on their conscience. More followers on twitter than will watch the All Ireland Senior Football Quarter finals? - Your just showing yourself up now! Get over yourself if your ego will let you, but I don't think it will. You're obviously a good GAA man alright if you don't know the global audience it has. And for the record, its not getting one over on the GAA, if I felt the need to do that I wouldn't be a lifelong member and supporter, I would soon withdraw it. This is not about the GAA or any opposition to it as well you know. Its simply about GAA members using an occasion to take a stand. And my ego isn't that big to dictate to you or anyone else a list of what I do for any cause. Your a simple troll who gratifies himself in anonymity. But you are very humorous in your ridiculousness, keep it up! :)
Ah yeah the twitter comment is lost on you ::)
You are lost on me!
Judging by the reaction on the facebook page Saturday should be a success lad, some folk disagree and thats fair enough, you will always get it, it is like the ones who say ach sure let them walk Garvaghy road its only a few minutes, or let them march past the Ardoyne shops, or let 50/50 towns be bedecked in union jacks its only a couple of months. Its the way of Ireland, always has and always will be.
Thanks Charlie! Very true.
The length of these quotes is getting seriously out of hand...
Quote from: Syferus on August 07, 2014, 09:35:48 PM
I was wondering how long this would take to become a thinly-veined proxy war about the north.
Merely using examples of people sitting back and accepting things for fear off upset or not wanting to rock the boat. My examples happen to relate to the North. I have no wish to deflect from the issue at hand.
Quote from: haranguerer on August 07, 2014, 09:38:46 PM
The length of these quotes is getting seriously out of hand...
They really were. :-[
Aoise,
I have to say I really respect your stance and genuine empathy for the innocent woman and children of Gaza.You appear to be a good person and I wish you and other genuine people well in your attempts to display solidarity with the people who have suffered in Gaza.
If you believe waving flags in solidarity with Palestinians at sporting events will make some sort of a difference I can only respect your stance for doing so.
Quote from: rossiewanderer on August 07, 2014, 10:47:18 PM
Aoise,
I have to say I really respect your stance and genuine empathy for the innocent woman and children of Gaza.You appear to be a good person and I wish you and other genuine people well in your attempts to display solidarity with the people who have suffered in Gaza.
If you believe waving flags in solidarity with Palestinians at sporting events will make some sort of a difference I can only respect your stance for doing so.
I appreciate that Rossie. Thanks.
Wont be there today but let's hope there is a great show of support and solidarity for the people of Palestine.
And fair dues to yourself Aoise.
Quote from: hardstation on August 04, 2014, 10:19:29 PM
Ffs the GAA would played God Save The Queen and fly a Union Jack if Sky toul them they'd give them a score quid for it.
A score of quid ?. Surely they'd negotiate for a lot more than that.
Quote from: Aoise on August 07, 2014, 11:01:15 PM
Quote from: rossiewanderer on August 07, 2014, 10:47:18 PM
Aoise,
I have to say I really respect your stance and genuine empathy for the innocent woman and children of Gaza.You appear to be a good person and I wish you and other genuine people well in your attempts to display solidarity with the people who have suffered in Gaza.
If you believe waving flags in solidarity with Palestinians at sporting events will make some sort of a difference I can only respect your stance for doing so.
I appreciate that Rossie. Thanks.
Good luck with the show of solidarity ( even though I disagree that it should happen inside he stadium).
Wouldn't life be so much easier if people decided to forget about flags and political symbols when attending sporting events.
Aoise, what about the children killed by Hamas? Do you support their right to live? do you protest for them???? I think not!
I despise what the Israeli government is doing to the people of Gaza, I also detest what the cowards in Hamas are doing to their own people and the fact that they are blowing up innocent Israeli's.
Bottom line, we all would be better off enjoying the spectacle of the greatest games on earth without worrying, for a few hours at least, about making political statements in our National Stadium!
The only flag that should be flown at Croke Park is the Flag of our Country and the County flag of that days participants and that's it for me. By all means protest peacefully outside the stadium but do not sully the spectacle with cheap, attention grabbing antics, simply enjoy the games and have a few jars after the games are over!
Quote from: stew on August 09, 2014, 03:25:25 PM
Wouldn't life be so much easier if people decided to forget about flags and political symbols when attending sporting events.
Aoise, what about the children killed by Hamas? Do you support their right to live? do you protest for them???? I think not!
I despise what the Israeli government is doing to the people of Gaza, I also detest what the cowards in Hamas are doing to their own people and the fact that they are blowing up innocent Israeli's.
Bottom line, we all would be better off enjoying the spectacle of the greatest games on earth without worrying, for a few hours at least, about making political statements in our National Stadium!
The only flag that should be flown at Croke Park is the Flag of our Country and the County flag of that days participants and that's it for me. By all means protest peacefully outside the stadium but do not sully the spectacle with cheap, attention grabbing antics, simply enjoy the games and have a few jars after the games are over!
Not trying to be smart, but what children killed by Hamas?
Doesn't look like there are too many Palestine flags on display at 1st game anyway. >:(
Quote from: muppet on August 09, 2014, 03:33:45 PM
Quote from: stew on August 09, 2014, 03:25:25 PM
Wouldn't life be so much easier if people decided to forget about flags and political symbols when attending sporting events.
Aoise, what about the children killed by Hamas? Do you support their right to live? do you protest for them???? I think not!
I despise what the Israeli government is doing to the people of Gaza, I also detest what the cowards in Hamas are doing to their own people and the fact that they are blowing up innocent Israeli's.
Bottom line, we all would be better off enjoying the spectacle of the greatest games on earth without worrying, for a few hours at least, about making political statements in our National Stadium!
The only flag that should be flown at Croke Park is the Flag of our Country and the County flag of that days participants and that's it for me. By all means protest peacefully outside the stadium but do not sully the spectacle with cheap, attention grabbing antics, simply enjoy the games and have a few jars after the games are over!
Not trying to be smart, but what children killed by Hamas?
he is clearly watching too much propaganda fox news, and believing it to be true, (the fact)the brainwashing even works on non Americans sadly
Quote from: glens abu on August 09, 2014, 04:02:08 PM
Doesn't look like there are too many Palestine flags on display at 1st game anyway. >:(
Been watching the crowd as closely as I can. Haven't spotted any. Anyone at the game know if there were a few??
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 09, 2014, 06:42:19 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 09, 2014, 03:33:45 PM
Quote from: stew on August 09, 2014, 03:25:25 PM
Wouldn't life be so much easier if people decided to forget about flags and political symbols when attending sporting events.
Aoise, what about the children killed by Hamas? Do you support their right to live? do you protest for them???? I think not!
I despise what the Israeli government is doing to the people of Gaza, I also detest what the cowards in Hamas are doing to their own people and the fact that they are blowing up innocent Israeli's.
Bottom line, we all would be better off enjoying the spectacle of the greatest games on earth without worrying, for a few hours at least, about making political statements in our National Stadium!
The only flag that should be flown at Croke Park is the Flag of our Country and the County flag of that days participants and that's it for me. By all means protest peacefully outside the stadium but do not sully the spectacle with cheap, attention grabbing antics, simply enjoy the games and have a few jars after the games are over!
Not trying to be smart, but what children killed by Hamas?
he is clearly watching too much propaganda fox news, and believing it to be true, (the fact)the brainwashing even works on non Americans sadly
What the fcuk are you on about sligonian?
Well there was the teenagers that got tortured in June by Hamas, they were just kids, did they deserve to die? Were they innocent?
Sligonian, you are a lazy bollix, you simply tote out the old line about Fox as if you know me, I rarely watch Fox because it is as reliable as the left's stations, MSNBC for example.
I watch the BBC news primarily, plus the Chinese news is good viewing, there is not a decent news channel in the states, they are all shite!!
Brainwashed??? You presume to know me, so republicians and libertarians are brainwashed whilst the democrats are enlightened? Is that it? Tube!
Quote from: CD on August 09, 2014, 06:43:39 PM
Quote from: glens abu on August 09, 2014, 04:02:08 PM
Doesn't look like there are too many Palestine flags on display at 1st game anyway. >:(
Been watching the crowd as closely as I can. Haven't spotted any. Anyone at the game know if there were a few??
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Quote from: stew on August 09, 2014, 06:50:24 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 09, 2014, 06:42:19 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 09, 2014, 03:33:45 PM
Quote from: stew on August 09, 2014, 03:25:25 PM
Wouldn't life be so much easier if people decided to forget about flags and political symbols when attending sporting events.
Aoise, what about the children killed by Hamas? Do you support their right to live? do you protest for them???? I think not!
I despise what the Israeli government is doing to the people of Gaza, I also detest what the cowards in Hamas are doing to their own people and the fact that they are blowing up innocent Israeli's.
Bottom line, we all would be better off enjoying the spectacle of the greatest games on earth without worrying, for a few hours at least, about making political statements in our National Stadium!
The only flag that should be flown at Croke Park is the Flag of our Country and the County flag of that days participants and that's it for me. By all means protest peacefully outside the stadium but do not sully the spectacle with cheap, attention grabbing antics, simply enjoy the games and have a few jars after the games are over!
Not trying to be smart, but what children killed by Hamas?
he is clearly watching too much propaganda fox news, and believing it to be true, (the fact)the brainwashing even works on non Americans sadly
What the fcuk are you on about sligonian?
Well there was the teenagers that got tortured in June by Hamas, they were just kids, did they deserve to die? Were they innocent?
Sligonian, you are a lazy bollix, you simply tote out the old line about Fox as if you know me, I rarely watch Fox because it is as reliable as the left's stations, MSNBC for example.
I watch the BBC news primarily, plus the Chinese news is good viewing, there is not a decent news channel in the states, they are all shite!!
Brainwashed??? You presume to know me, so republicians and libertarians are brainwashed whilst the democrats are enlightened? Is that it? Tube!
Stew, Netanyahu announced that they had been kidnapped by Hamas. That may have been completely false, but regardless it was the premise for Israel to start the war. Unusually, Hamas denied involvement.
http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/att/index.php/zionism-a-palestine/the-palestine-israeli-conflict/1102-israeli-police-confirm-hamas-did-not-kidnap-and-kill-3-israeli-teens (http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/att/index.php/zionism-a-palestine/the-palestine-israeli-conflict/1102-israeli-police-confirm-hamas-did-not-kidnap-and-kill-3-israeli-teens)
On Friday, Chief Inspector Micky Rosenfeld, foreign press spokesman for the Israel Police, reportedly told BBC journalist Jon Donnisonhe that the men responsible for murders were not acting on orders of Hamas leadership. Instead, he said, they are part of a "lone cell." Further, Inspector Rosenfeld told Donnison that if Hamas' leadership had ordered the kidnapping, "they'd have known about it in advance."
Quote from: muppet on August 09, 2014, 06:54:37 PM
Quote from: stew on August 09, 2014, 06:50:24 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 09, 2014, 06:42:19 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 09, 2014, 03:33:45 PM
Quote from: stew on August 09, 2014, 03:25:25 PM
Wouldn't life be so much easier if people decided to forget about flags and political symbols when attending sporting events.
Aoise, what about the children killed by Hamas? Do you support their right to live? do you protest for them???? I think not!
I despise what the Israeli government is doing to the people of Gaza, I also detest what the cowards in Hamas are doing to their own people and the fact that they are blowing up innocent Israeli's.
Bottom line, we all would be better off enjoying the spectacle of the greatest games on earth without worrying, for a few hours at least, about making political statements in our National Stadium!
The only flag that should be flown at Croke Park is the Flag of our Country and the County flag of that days participants and that's it for me. By all means protest peacefully outside the stadium but do not sully the spectacle with cheap, attention grabbing antics, simply enjoy the games and have a few jars after the games are over!
Not trying to be smart, but what children killed by Hamas?
he is clearly watching too much propaganda fox news, and believing it to be true, (the fact)the brainwashing even works on non Americans sadly
What the fcuk are you on about sligonian?
Well there was the teenagers that got tortured in June by Hamas, they were just kids, did they deserve to die? Were they innocent?
Sligonian, you are a lazy bollix, you simply tote out the old line about Fox as if you know me, I rarely watch Fox because it is as reliable as the left's stations, MSNBC for example.
I watch the BBC news primarily, plus the Chinese news is good viewing, there is not a decent news channel in the states, they are all shite!!
Brainwashed??? You presume to know me, so republicians and libertarians are brainwashed whilst the democrats are enlightened? Is that it? Tube!
Stew, Netanyahu announced that they had been kidnapped by Hamas. That may have been completely false, but regardless it was the premise for Israel to start the war. Unusually, Hamas denied involvement.
http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/att/index.php/zionism-a-palestine/the-palestine-israeli-conflict/1102-israeli-police-confirm-hamas-did-not-kidnap-and-kill-3-israeli-teens (http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/att/index.php/zionism-a-palestine/the-palestine-israeli-conflict/1102-israeli-police-confirm-hamas-did-not-kidnap-and-kill-3-israeli-teens)
On Friday, Chief Inspector Micky Rosenfeld, foreign press spokesman for the Israel Police, reportedly told BBC journalist Jon Donnisonhe that the men responsible for murders were not acting on orders of Hamas leadership. Instead, he said, they are part of a "lone cell." Further, Inspector Rosenfeld told Donnison that if Hamas' leadership had ordered the kidnapping, "they'd have known about it in advance."
Stew take a deep breath your not the first to believe Israeli or American propaganda, but dont let your ego get so attached to the illusions they spread as it's enabling them to control the world, it time to wake up, the BBC aren't whiter than white on this either
More on Israel's economy with the truth: http://www.al-bab.com/blog/2014/august/gaza-kidnap-fiasco.htm#sthash.g37XVK0V.SMjnjRgk.dpbs (http://www.al-bab.com/blog/2014/august/gaza-kidnap-fiasco.htm#sthash.g37XVK0V.SMjnjRgk.dpbs)
BBC correspondant's tweet:
Jon DonnisonVerified account
@JonDonnison
Israeli police MickeyRosenfeld tells me men who killed 3 Israeli teens def lone cell, hamas affiliated but not operating under leadership1/2
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 09, 2014, 07:06:02 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 09, 2014, 06:54:37 PM
Quote from: stew on August 09, 2014, 06:50:24 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 09, 2014, 06:42:19 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 09, 2014, 03:33:45 PM
Quote from: stew on August 09, 2014, 03:25:25 PM
Wouldn't life be so much easier if people decided to forget about flags and political symbols when attending sporting events.
Aoise, what about the children killed by Hamas? Do you support their right to live? do you protest for them???? I think not!
I despise what the Israeli government is doing to the people of Gaza, I also detest what the cowards in Hamas are doing to their own people and the fact that they are blowing up innocent Israeli's.
Bottom line, we all would be better off enjoying the spectacle of the greatest games on earth without worrying, for a few hours at least, about making political statements in our National Stadium!
The only flag that should be flown at Croke Park is the Flag of our Country and the County flag of that days participants and that's it for me. By all means protest peacefully outside the stadium but do not sully the spectacle with cheap, attention grabbing antics, simply enjoy the games and have a few jars after the games are over!
Not trying to be smart, but what children killed by Hamas?
he is clearly watching too much propaganda fox news, and believing it to be true, (the fact)the brainwashing even works on non Americans sadly
What the fcuk are you on about sligonian?
Well there was the teenagers that got tortured in June by Hamas, they were just kids, did they deserve to die? Were they innocent?
Sligonian, you are a lazy bollix, you simply tote out the old line about Fox as if you know me, I rarely watch Fox because it is as reliable as the left's stations, MSNBC for example.
I watch the BBC news primarily, plus the Chinese news is good viewing, there is not a decent news channel in the states, they are all shite!!
Brainwashed??? You presume to know me, so republicians and libertarians are brainwashed whilst the democrats are enlightened? Is that it? Tube!
Stew, Netanyahu announced that they had been kidnapped by Hamas. That may have been completely false, but regardless it was the premise for Israel to start the war. Unusually, Hamas denied involvement.
http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/att/index.php/zionism-a-palestine/the-palestine-israeli-conflict/1102-israeli-police-confirm-hamas-did-not-kidnap-and-kill-3-israeli-teens (http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/att/index.php/zionism-a-palestine/the-palestine-israeli-conflict/1102-israeli-police-confirm-hamas-did-not-kidnap-and-kill-3-israeli-teens)
On Friday, Chief Inspector Micky Rosenfeld, foreign press spokesman for the Israel Police, reportedly told BBC journalist Jon Donnisonhe that the men responsible for murders were not acting on orders of Hamas leadership. Instead, he said, they are part of a "lone cell." Further, Inspector Rosenfeld told Donnison that if Hamas' leadership had ordered the kidnapping, "they'd have known about it in advance."
Stew take a deep breath your not the first to believe Israeli or American propaganda, but dont let your ego get so attached to the illusions they spread as it's enabling them to control the world, it time to wake up, the BBC aren't whiter than white on this either
Sligonian, ego has nothing to do with it, I just hate the fact that it seems to me that no one gives a shite about innocent Israeli's are getting killed in this conflict, no one life is worth more than another and in fact the vast majority of my sympathy lies with the people of Gaza, hardly toeing a right wing agenda now amI????
I am not a sheep, the only thing I blindly follow is Armagh football but just because it is en vogue to slabber about Palestine and denounce Israel does not mean all loss of life on both sides is awful, I want a bit of balance on here, that said that bastard Israeli leader should be tried for war crimes but the US will see that never happens, he needs a bullet!!!!
Over 1600 Gaza civilians dead, 4 Israeli civilians dead, in a war started by Israel's Prime Minister on a false premise.
If you are genuinely concerned for Israel's citizens, included their soldiers who died, most of whom are on National Service (i.e. not volunteers), it might be more appropriate to criticise Netanyahu, rather than those who are shocked at a 1st world county deliberately slaughtering 1,600 civilians.
Quote from: muppet on August 09, 2014, 07:26:53 PM
Over 1600 Gaza civilians dead, 4 Israeli civilians dead, in a war started by Israel's Prime Minister on a false premise.
If you are genuinely concerned for Israel's citizens, included their soldiers who died, most of whom are on National Service (i.e. not volunteers), it might be more appropriate to criticise Netanyahu, rather than those who are shocked at a 1st world county deliberately slaughtering 1,600 civilians.
I am concerned for the innocent people being slaughtered on both sides, I did criticise Netanyhu and he is a war criminal who wil neve see the inside of a courtroom because uncle sam will not allow it, what more would you have me do?
Quote from: stew on August 09, 2014, 07:35:09 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 09, 2014, 07:26:53 PM
Over 1600 Gaza civilians dead, 4 Israeli civilians dead, in a war started by Israel's Prime Minister on a false premise.
If you are genuinely concerned for Israel's citizens, included their soldiers who died, most of whom are on National Service (i.e. not volunteers), it might be more appropriate to criticise Netanyahu, rather than those who are shocked at a 1st world county deliberately slaughtering 1,600 civilians.
I am concerned for the innocent people being slaughtered on both sides, I did criticise Netanyhu and he is a war criminal who wil neve see the inside of a courtroom because uncle sam will not allow it, what more would you have me do?
Fair enough, but you appear to be criticising people for supporting the people of Gaza. When the death count is 1600+ to 4, it is easy to focus the blame on one side surely?
Quote from: dowling on August 09, 2014, 06:54:19 PM
Quote from: CD on August 09, 2014, 06:43:39 PM
Quote from: glens abu on August 09, 2014, 04:02:08 PM
Doesn't look like there are too many Palestine flags on display at 1st game anyway. >:(
Been watching the crowd as closely as I can. Haven't spotted any. Anyone at the game know if there were a few??
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As long as there's a starting point.
The last shot on Sky was of Hill 16 celebrating at the final whistle, I saw at least 4 Palestinian flags.
You can always count on the Dubs to nick things.
Quote from: stew on August 09, 2014, 07:19:50 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 09, 2014, 07:06:02 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 09, 2014, 06:54:37 PM
Quote from: stew on August 09, 2014, 06:50:24 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 09, 2014, 06:42:19 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 09, 2014, 03:33:45 PM
Quote from: stew on August 09, 2014, 03:25:25 PM
Wouldn't life be so much easier if people decided to forget about flags and political symbols when attending sporting events.
Aoise, what about the children killed by Hamas? Do you support their right to live? do you protest for them???? I think not!
I despise what the Israeli government is doing to the people of Gaza, I also detest what the cowards in Hamas are doing to their own people and the fact that they are blowing up innocent Israeli's.
Bottom line, we all would be better off enjoying the spectacle of the greatest games on earth without worrying, for a few hours at least, about making political statements in our National Stadium!
The only flag that should be flown at Croke Park is the Flag of our Country and the County flag of that days participants and that's it for me. By all means protest peacefully outside the stadium but do not sully the spectacle with cheap, attention grabbing antics, simply enjoy the games and have a few jars after the games are over!
Not trying to be smart, but what children killed by Hamas?
he is clearly watching too much propaganda fox news, and believing it to be true, (the fact)the brainwashing even works on non Americans sadly
What the fcuk are you on about sligonian?
Well there was the teenagers that got tortured in June by Hamas, they were just kids, did they deserve to die? Were they innocent?
Sligonian, you are a lazy bollix, you simply tote out the old line about Fox as if you know me, I rarely watch Fox because it is as reliable as the left's stations, MSNBC for example.
I watch the BBC news primarily, plus the Chinese news is good viewing, there is not a decent news channel in the states, they are all shite!!
Brainwashed??? You presume to know me, so republicians and libertarians are brainwashed whilst the democrats are enlightened? Is that it? Tube!
Stew, Netanyahu announced that they had been kidnapped by Hamas. That may have been completely false, but regardless it was the premise for Israel to start the war. Unusually, Hamas denied involvement.
http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/att/index.php/zionism-a-palestine/the-palestine-israeli-conflict/1102-israeli-police-confirm-hamas-did-not-kidnap-and-kill-3-israeli-teens (http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/att/index.php/zionism-a-palestine/the-palestine-israeli-conflict/1102-israeli-police-confirm-hamas-did-not-kidnap-and-kill-3-israeli-teens)
On Friday, Chief Inspector Micky Rosenfeld, foreign press spokesman for the Israel Police, reportedly told BBC journalist Jon Donnisonhe that the men responsible for murders were not acting on orders of Hamas leadership. Instead, he said, they are part of a "lone cell." Further, Inspector Rosenfeld told Donnison that if Hamas' leadership had ordered the kidnapping, "they'd have known about it in advance."
Stew take a deep breath your not the first to believe Israeli or American propaganda, but dont let your ego get so attached to the illusions they spread as it's enabling them to control the world, it time to wake up, the BBC aren't whiter than white on this either
Sligonian, ego has nothing to do with it, I just hate the fact that it seems to me that no one gives a shite about innocent Israeli's are getting killed in this conflict, no one life is worth more than another and in fact the vast majority of my sympathy lies with the people of Gaza, hardly toeing a right wing agenda now amI????
I am not a sheep, the only thing I blindly follow is Armagh football but just because it is en vogue to slabber about Palestine and denounce Israel does not mean all loss of life on both sides is awful, I want a bit of balance on here, that said that b**tard Israeli leader should be tried for war crimes but the US will see that never happens, he needs a bullet!!!!
your first reaction was definitely from the ego, but i totally understand, wasn't in great humour myself after the cork game. The only thing on Hamas and I do agree about killing civilians no matter who is wrong, although part of me would love to see those armchair cheering Israelis who sit on the hills cheering as they see bombs on gaza explode, see some retirbution, but Hamas at least are targeting soldiers and have very small percentage civilian kill rate whereas the IDF with high tech equip are clearly targeting civilians and nearly killing all civilians, the stories of Hamas shielding with civilians and hiding rockets in hospital seem to be false Israeli propaganda to justify there bombing of civilian targets, I personally wouldn't class Hamas near as wrong or evil as the IDF,
Quote from: stew on August 09, 2014, 07:35:09 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 09, 2014, 07:26:53 PM
Over 1600 Gaza civilians dead, 4 Israeli civilians dead, in a war started by Israel's Prime Minister on a false premise.
If you are genuinely concerned for Israel's citizens, included their soldiers who died, most of whom are on National Service (i.e. not volunteers), it might be more appropriate to criticise Netanyahu, rather than those who are shocked at a 1st world county deliberately slaughtering 1,600 civilians.
I am concerned for the innocent people being slaughtered on both sides, I did criticise Netanyhu and he is a war criminal who wil neve see the inside of a courtroom because uncle sam will not allow it, what more would you have me do?
Obviously you're on a wind up. Go back to sleep
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 09, 2014, 08:38:08 PM
Quote from: dowling on August 09, 2014, 06:54:19 PM
Quote from: CD on August 09, 2014, 06:43:39 PM
Quote from: glens abu on August 09, 2014, 04:02:08 PM
Doesn't look like there are too many Palestine flags on display at 1st game anyway. >:(
Been watching the crowd as closely as I can. Haven't spotted any. Anyone at the game know if there were a few??
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As long as there's a starting point.
The last shot on Sky was of Hill 16 celebrating at the final whistle, I saw at least 4 Palestinian flags.
Great. Good to see the Dubs getting involved and that the cameras picked up on it.
Great. Good to see the Dubs getting involved and that the cameras picked up on it.
I was in Croke Park today & can't say I noticed any Palestinian flags during the first game.
Can someone tell me, how does flying Palestinian flags in Croke Park change anything in Gaza?
Just asking like......
Personally, I'd rather keep the Gaa as the great sporting organisation that it is.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 10, 2014, 01:00:07 AM
I was in Croke Park today & can't say I noticed any Palestinian flags during the first game.
Can someone tell me, how does flying Palestinian flags in Croke Park change anything in Gaza?
Just asking like......
It doesn't and it won't.
Saw none in the first game. Maybe Sky cameras purposely ignored them?
Far more prevalent by the Dubs in the second game.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 10, 2014, 01:37:10 AM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 10, 2014, 01:00:07 AM
I was in Croke Park today & can't say I noticed any Palestinian flags during the first game.
Can someone tell me, how does flying Palestinian flags in Croke Park change anything in Gaza?
Just asking like......
It doesn't and it won't.
Sure why bother to do or say anything about anything.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 10, 2014, 08:59:37 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 10, 2014, 01:37:10 AM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 10, 2014, 01:00:07 AM
I was in Croke Park today & can't say I noticed any Palestinian flags during the first game.
Can someone tell me, how does flying Palestinian flags in Croke Park change anything in Gaza?
Just asking like......
It doesn't and it won't.
Sure why bother to do or say anything about anything.
But that is my point myles. Waving a flag when your team scores & then going home to your dinner & out for some pints that evening is neither doing nor saying anything. It is just childish.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 10, 2014, 08:59:37 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 10, 2014, 01:37:10 AM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 10, 2014, 01:00:07 AM
I was in Croke Park today & can't say I noticed any Palestinian flags during the first game.
Can someone tell me, how does flying Palestinian flags in Croke Park change anything in Gaza?
Just asking like......
It doesn't and it won't.
Sure why bother to do or say anything about anything.
Yes, but is it not about doing appropriate things in appropriate places? Waving a flag inside the stadium at a national sporting event isn't really effective nor appropriate. If people want to attend a demonstration like being held in Dungannon (or outside the ground) then that's great and I support that. But some people seem to want to take their flag for their own publicity, which in my opinion does feck all to help the cause in Gaza and only serves to create controversy as they know the GAA doesn't allow political banners. It then becomes just another stick for people to beat the GAA with.
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Local issues also get an airing on the Hill
Well very proud of those who turned up yesterday with a flag just to make a small statement of their discontent. The television cameras showed none of them which really wasn't a surprise and fully expected. For those who say it was more about the people carrying them well you obviously don't have a clue how people feel on this issue and thats really the only answer I have for you on that. For anyone else who thinks this was in any way anti-GAA, I'm as pro GAA as the next member so that also doesn't wash.
I saw more outside of the ground than I did inside so I don't know if any were removed. If they weren't removed then I would like to commend Croke Park for permitting people's individual demonstration as they obviously have seen people's feelings on this and decided not to intervene. Humanitarian causes should offend no-one and really, what harm did it do yesterday? I will be doing more work for the people of Gaza and I would urge those who feel of the same mindset to do the same.
Saw a Saudi Arabian flag today. Saw nothing yesterday.
The flag thing is pointless in my opinion, but if people choose to participate, that's their choice. Yes, it's shocking what's happening but a few flag waving ain't going to stop it.
But it always baffles me why Irish people look further afield when there are things happening in their own country that's should be highlighted. Countless things during the recession, bailouts, taxes, charges, cuts, bankers, the Sean Quinn situation etc. there was the South Africa thing in the 80s when things closer to home needed hughlighting more, particularly in the North.
Hamas are no angels
Well Benny you've a fair point about what has happened at home although the scale of things are slightly different. I would say if you trawled the threads you will find expressed discontent about all that. What was done and what could have been done are different matters.
As for what a display of support or solidarity by waving a flag does?
Well say you're somewhere and there's a collection for a good cause but all you have is one euro in your pocket. And you want to donate, but like it's only one euro.
Do you decide one euro wont amount to anything and not bother donating or do you think, 'feck I know it's only one euro but if there is maybe a thousand people with one euro they're prepared to give away, well, it all adds up'?
Quote from: Aoise on August 10, 2014, 04:15:03 PM
Well very proud of those who turned up yesterday with a flag just to make a small statement of their discontent. The television cameras showed none of them which really wasn't a surprise and fully expected. For those who say it was more about the people carrying them well you obviously don't have a clue how people feel on this issue and that's really the only answer I have for you on that. For anyone else who thinks this was in any way anti-GAA, I'm as pro GAA as the next member so that also doesn't wash.
I saw more outside of the ground than I did inside so I don't know if any were removed. If they weren't removed then I would like to commend Croke Park for permitting people's individual demonstration as they obviously have seen people's feelings on this and decided not to intervene. Humanitarian causes should offend no-one and really, what harm did it do yesterday? I will be doing more work for the people of Gaza and I would urge those who feel of the same mindset to do the same.
Aoise, I think that was a great initiative. Just a pity that some wig thought it appropriate to try to remove the banner last week. But because of that there's no doubt what you have done has helped raise awareness of what is happening in Palestine at the very least.
Of course there will always be the conservative element who feel uncomfortable when issues like this are raised and find arguments to oppose these expressions of support.
But as I said before, fair dues to you.
Quote from: dowling on August 10, 2014, 08:20:00 PM
Well Benny you've a fair point about what has happened at home although the scale of things are slightly different. I would say if you trawled the threads you will find expressed discontent about all that. What was done and what could have been done are different matters.
As for what a display of support or solidarity by waving a flag does?
Well say you're somewhere and there's a collection for a good cause but all you have is one euro in your pocket. And you want to donate, but like it's only one euro.
Do you decide one euro wont amount to anything and not bother donating or do you think, 'feck I know it's only one euro but if there is maybe a thousand people with one euro they're prepared to give away, well, it all adds up'?
The flags don't all add up to make any real difference though - money does. All I found that happened this week that the flag issue was all about whether the GAA should or shouldn't have let the banners be shown and whether or not Sky told them to take it down. The message about Gaza was nearly lost in the internal argument we were having at home. Which, to me, does no good to the cause at all, other than to have us bickering amongst ourselves. There is some great work being done to highlight the plight in Gaza and show the solidarity the Irish people have with the Palastinian people, none more so than our own Give her Dixie who I have massive respect for, but once again we manage to get bogged down in a flag issue which we, in Ireland, put far too much importance on.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 10, 2014, 07:52:25 PM
The flag thing is pointless in my opinion, but if people choose to participate, that's their choice. Yes, it's shocking what's happening but a few flag waving ain't going to stop it.
But it always baffles me why Irish people look further afield when there are things happening in their own country that's should be highlighted. Countless things during the recession, bailouts, taxes, charges, cuts, bankers, the Sean Quinn situation etc. there was the South Africa thing in the 80s when things closer to home needed hughlighting more, particularly in the North.
England Ireland just the same, among the most conservative people on earth. Don't rock the boat and take your medicine as prescribed.
Leeds fans in London for the game v Millwall yesterday bumped into a protest... >:(
http://youtu.be/YTp_wnbpHRU
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 10, 2014, 08:45:06 PM
Quote from: dowling on August 10, 2014, 08:20:00 PM
Well Benny you've a fair point about what has happened at home although the scale of things are slightly different. I would say if you trawled the threads you will find expressed discontent about all that. What was done and what could have been done are different matters.
As for what a display of support or solidarity by waving a flag does?
Well say you're somewhere and there's a collection for a good cause but all you have is one euro in your pocket. And you want to donate, but like it's only one euro.
Do you decide one euro wont amount to anything and not bother donating or do you think, 'feck I know it's only one euro but if there is maybe a thousand people with one euro they're prepared to give away, well, it all adds up'?
The flags don't all add up to make any real difference though - money does. All I found that happened this week that the flag issue was all about whether the GAA should or shouldn't have let the banners be shown and whether or not Sky told them to take it down. The message about Gaza was nearly lost in the internal argument we were having at home. Which, to me, does no good to the cause at all, other than to have us bickering amongst ourselves. There is some great work being done to highlight the plight in Gaza and show the solidarity the Irish people have with the Palastinian people, none more so than our own Give her Dixie who I have massive respect for, but once again we manage to get bogged down in a flag issue which we put far too much importance on.
Actually that was what the thread was about. The debate widened as to whether it was a humanitarian or political issue. But I get what you mean about the crux of the matter sometimes being lost. I've no doubt however that Aoise's initiative and the debate here, and with the wider coverage it has received, will have helped raise awareness so that so many more people will be giving that spare euro or more. You must have gone into some of the links put up on this thread and the Palestinian thread which surely would have helped your understanding of the situation in Gaza. I know it improved mine.
Check out this video from yesterday as the Gardi start to take down an Armagh Gaza banner cable tied to the railings
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1467956863453501&set=o.305563316286941&type=2&theater
Quote from: dowling on August 10, 2014, 09:31:15 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 10, 2014, 08:45:06 PM
Quote from: dowling on August 10, 2014, 08:20:00 PM
Well Benny you've a fair point about what has happened at home although the scale of things are slightly different. I would say if you trawled the threads you will find expressed discontent about all that. What was done and what could have been done are different matters.
As for what a display of support or solidarity by waving a flag does?
Well say you're somewhere and there's a collection for a good cause but all you have is one euro in your pocket. And you want to donate, but like it's only one euro.
Do you decide one euro wont amount to anything and not bother donating or do you think, 'feck I know it's only one euro but if there is maybe a thousand people with one euro they're prepared to give away, well, it all adds up'?
The flags don't all add up to make any real difference though - money does. All I found that happened this week that the flag issue was all about whether the GAA should or shouldn't have let the banners be shown and whether or not Sky told them to take it down. The message about Gaza was nearly lost in the internal argument we were having at home. Which, to me, does no good to the cause at all, other than to have us bickering amongst ourselves. There is some great work being done to highlight the plight in Gaza and show the solidarity the Irish people have with the Palastinian people, none more so than our own Give her Dixie who I have massive respect for, but once again we manage to get bogged down in a flag issue which we put far too much importance on.
Actually that was what the thread was about. The debate widened as to whether it was a humanitarian or political issue. But I get what you mean about the crux of the matter sometimes being lost. I've no doubt however that Aoise's initiative and the debate here, and with the wider coverage it has received, will have helped raise awareness so that so many more people will be giving that spare euro or more. You must have gone into some of the links put up on this thread and the Palestinian thread which surely would have helped your understanding of the situation in Gaza. I know it improved mine.
Thanks for that Dowling. Hearing you say that makes it worthwhile. This issue has to stay on the agenda - it just has to!
well if they taking down flags etc making statements how come the John 3.11 (is it) was allows in the hill 16 for donkeys and never challenged
Quote from: BennyCake on August 10, 2014, 07:52:25 PM
The flag thing is pointless in my opinion, but if people choose to participate, that's their choice. Yes, it's shocking what's happening but a few flag waving ain't going to stop it.
But it always baffles me why Irish people look further afield when there are things happening in their own country that's should be highlighted. Countless things during the recession, bailouts, taxes, charges, cuts, bankers, the Sean Quinn situation etc. there was the South Africa thing in the 80s when things closer to home needed hughlighting more, particularly in the North.
Totally take your point and to be honest this was one of the reasons why the flag yesterday was important. Apart from other things it was a small act to symbolise the power of individual people against those who wish to silence them, granted this needs bigger numbers but it has to start somewhere. Not against the GAA but the Government. I and others just felt that with the protests happening outside the Government could continue to ignore them as the media are just system puppets but inside Croke Park, where major numbers would be watching and with the possibility of Government members in attendance, that maybe they could squirm a bit more than they have been doing. The pressure needs to be on Governments and the only thing that can do that are the people! Which leads onto your point about Irish apathy.
There has been a trend in this country now for decades that lets those in authority do anything they want to them. What does it take to let people see that if they wake up, there's more in their control than they think. I just don't know how that level of courage is going to be achieved. But if flying a flag is a small gesture of defiance to kickstart that courage, then I hope more people continue with it. The major issue at the minute for me though is Palestine so I hope Croke Park sees more flags as the championship continues even though Armagh aren't there. Good luck to anyone who wants to.
No Aoise, in all sincerity, thank you.
I've no doubt your initiative has greatly impacted in many ways.
Maybe we'll see a few flags showing solidarity at the Fleadh Cheoil in Sligo.
Quote from: dowling on August 10, 2014, 10:44:50 PM
No Aoise, in all sincerity, thank you.
I've no doubt your initiative has greatly impacted in many ways.
Maybe we'll see a few flags showing solidarity at the Fleadh Cheoil in Sligo.
No doubt Dowling. Me and mine will be there. ;)
Would Cork fans please stop flying those bloody redneck confederate flags?
Thanks.
(http://cwcrossroads.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/confederate-flag-you-lost-get-over-it.jpg)
I saw lots of flags on the Hill, there was about 4 clearly visible on the TC cameras during the Dublin game.
Quote from: Aoise on August 10, 2014, 11:05:01 PM
Quote from: dowling on August 10, 2014, 10:44:50 PM
No Aoise, in all sincerity, thank you.
I've no doubt your initiative has greatly impacted in many ways.
Maybe we'll see a few flags showing solidarity at the Fleadh Cheoil in Sligo.
No doubt Dowling. Me and mine will be there. ;)
You'll all be most welcome and there won't be a SKY camera in sight please God. Great buzz about the place.
Quote from: give her dixie on August 10, 2014, 10:10:19 PM
Check out this video from yesterday as the Gardi start to take down an Armagh Gaza banner cable tied to the railings
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1467956863453501&set=o.305563316286941&type=2&theater
That's very funny. What happened there?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 10, 2014, 10:31:05 PM
well if they taking down flags etc making statements how come the John 3.11 (is it) was allows in the hill 16 for donkeys and never challenged
I saw a John 3:16 at the PGA golf last night. Don't think it was our fella - looked younger. I always thought it was a one-man campaign. Has he gone global?
It's John 3:7
"Ye must be born again"
I only know that because I saw it on a gospel hall somewhere...
I hope I never have to give evidence in a murder trial. "Don't mind anything I say, yer honour. I've been looking at John 3:7 for twenty five years and I thought it was 3:16."
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 11, 2014, 09:16:26 AM
Quote from: Aoise on August 10, 2014, 11:05:01 PM
Quote from: dowling on August 10, 2014, 10:44:50 PM
No Aoise, in all sincerity, thank you.
I've no doubt your initiative has greatly impacted in many ways.
Maybe we'll see a few flags showing solidarity at the Fleadh Cheoil in Sligo.
No doubt Dowling. Me and mine will be there. ;)
You'll all be most welcome and there won't be a SKY camera in sight please God. Great buzz about the place.
Heading over today. Caravan booked in at Rugby Club. Can't wait
Quote from: hardstation on August 11, 2014, 10:41:30 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 11, 2014, 10:39:07 AM
I hope I never have to give evidence in a murder trial. "Don't mind anything I say, yer honour. I've been looking at John 3:7 for twenty five years and I thought it was 3:16."
It used to be...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_3:7_(sign) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_3:7_(sign))
1988 or not, I'll use that excuse.
Quote from: Hardy on August 11, 2014, 10:26:17 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 10, 2014, 10:31:05 PM
well if they taking down flags etc making statements how come the John 3.11 (is it) was allows in the hill 16 for donkeys and never challenged
I saw a John 3:16 at the PGA golf last night. Don't think it was our fella - looked younger. I always thought it was a one-man campaign. Has he gone global?
Yanks have been copying him for years. You see the odd eejit holding up John 3:16 or John 3:7 signs at American football games when a field goal is kicked.
Oh u probably thinking Austin 3.16 lol
It's a pity that Croke Park officials didn't remove this rag in the same manner in which they removed the Armagh/Palestine flag 3 years ago.........
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 11, 2014, 05:12:06 AM
Would Cork fans please stop flying those bloody redneck confederate flags?
Thanks.
(http://cwcrossroads.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/confederate-flag-you-lost-get-over-it.jpg)
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 11, 2014, 05:12:06 AM
Would Cork fans please stop flying those bloody redneck confederate flags?
Thanks.
(http://cwcrossroads.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/confederate-flag-you-lost-get-over-it.jpg)
Ah tbe irony! This could be Hillarys homage slogan to the party of slavery, how apt.
Is the flying of the Palestine flag at gaa matches more of a northern thing?
Plenty on show today in Omagh. Didn't see any at the rest of the games.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 03, 2018, 11:40:01 PM
Is the flying of the Palestine flag at gaa matches more of a northern thing?
Plenty on show today in Omagh. Didn't see any at the rest of the games.
The Nationalists in the North express their solidarity with a oppressed minority in Palestine.
The Unionists, predictibly enough, express their solidarity with the Israeli occupiers.
Personally, I dont know if inside the ground is the right venue for such demonstrations.
Quote from: whitey on June 04, 2018, 12:23:20 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 03, 2018, 11:40:01 PM
Is the flying of the Palestine flag at gaa matches more of a northern thing?
Plenty on show today in Omagh. Didn't see any at the rest of the games.
The Nationalists in the North express their solidarity with a oppressed minority in Palestine.
The Unionists, predictibly enough, express their solidarity with the Israeli occupiers.
Personally, I dont know if inside the ground is the right venue for such demonstrations.
Didn't have an opinion either way until I heard who the boys that brought the flags were. The closest most of them would come to solidarity with the Palestinian people is when they eat their daily Doner kebab bought with a DLA cheque. Most of them couldn't pick out Palestine on a map if they tried.
Quote from: trileacman on June 04, 2018, 02:29:55 AM
Quote from: whitey on June 04, 2018, 12:23:20 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 03, 2018, 11:40:01 PM
Is the flying of the Palestine flag at gaa matches more of a northern thing?
Plenty on show today in Omagh. Didn't see any at the rest of the games.
The Nationalists in the North express their solidarity with a oppressed minority in Palestine.
The Unionists, predictibly enough, express their solidarity with the Israeli occupiers.
Personally, I dont know if inside the ground is the right venue for such demonstrations.
Didn't have an opinion either way until I heard who the boys that brought the flags were. The closest most of them would come to solidarity with the Palestinian people is when they eat their daily Doner kebab bought with a DLA cheque. Most of them couldn't pick out Palestine on a map if they tried.
Palestine isn't on the map. That is the issue.
Quote from: trileacman on June 04, 2018, 02:29:55 AM
Quote from: whitey on June 04, 2018, 12:23:20 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 03, 2018, 11:40:01 PM
Is the flying of the Palestine flag at gaa matches more of a northern thing?
Plenty on show today in Omagh. Didn't see any at the rest of the games.
The Nationalists in the North express their solidarity with a oppressed minority in Palestine.
The Unionists, predictibly enough, express their solidarity with the Israeli occupiers.
Personally, I dont know if inside the ground is the right venue for such demonstrations.
Didn't have an opinion either way until I heard who the boys that brought the flags were. The closest most of them would come to solidarity with the Palestinian people is when they eat their daily Doner kebab bought with a DLA cheque. Most of them couldn't pick out Palestine on a map if they tried.
The above post absolutely reeks of class snobbery/a serious superiority complex.
Quote from: Hardy on August 11, 2014, 10:39:07 AM
I hope I never have to give evidence in a murder trial. "Don't mind anything I say, yer honour. I've been looking at John 3:7 for twenty five years and I thought it was 3:16."
Be a laugh if someone went to a ladies match with "Deuteronomy 25:11-12"
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+25%3A11-12&version=NIV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+25%3A11-12&version=NIV)
Quote from: Snapchap on June 04, 2018, 09:22:11 AM
Quote from: trileacman on June 04, 2018, 02:29:55 AM
Quote from: whitey on June 04, 2018, 12:23:20 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 03, 2018, 11:40:01 PM
Is the flying of the Palestine flag at gaa matches more of a northern thing?
Plenty on show today in Omagh. Didn't see any at the rest of the games.
The Nationalists in the North express their solidarity with a oppressed minority in Palestine.
The Unionists, predictibly enough, express their solidarity with the Israeli occupiers.
Personally, I dont know if inside the ground is the right venue for such demonstrations.
Didn't have an opinion either way until I heard who the boys that brought the flags were. The closest most of them would come to solidarity with the Palestinian people is when they eat their daily Doner kebab bought with a DLA cheque. Most of them couldn't pick out Palestine on a map if they tried.
The above post absolutely reeks of class snobbery/a serious superiority complex.
Yip
Quote from: whitey on June 04, 2018, 12:23:20 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 03, 2018, 11:40:01 PM
Is the flying of the Palestine flag at gaa matches more of a northern thing?
Plenty on show today in Omagh. Didn't see any at the rest of the games.
The Nationalists in the North express their solidarity with a oppressed minority in Palestine.
The Unionists, predictibly enough, express their solidarity with the Israeli occupiers.
Personally, I dont know if inside the ground is the right venue for such demonstrations.
So by southerners not flying the Palestine flag, they don't care about the Palestinians plight, nor their fellow countrymen's?
Quote from: BennyCake on June 04, 2018, 10:06:07 AM
Quote from: whitey on June 04, 2018, 12:23:20 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 03, 2018, 11:40:01 PM
Is the flying of the Palestine flag at gaa matches more of a northern thing?
Plenty on show today in Omagh. Didn't see any at the rest of the games.
The Nationalists in the North express their solidarity with a oppressed minority in Palestine.
The Unionists, predictibly enough, express their solidarity with the Israeli occupiers.
Personally, I dont know if inside the ground is the right venue for such demonstrations.
So by southerners not flying the Palestine flag, they don't care about the Palestinians plight, nor their fellow countrymen's?
Who said that?
The flying of the Palestinian flag is almost exclusively a Northern thing
No one is stopping any other supporters from flying it
Quote from: trileacman on June 04, 2018, 02:29:55 AM
Quote from: whitey on June 04, 2018, 12:23:20 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 03, 2018, 11:40:01 PM
Is the flying of the Palestine flag at gaa matches more of a northern thing?
Plenty on show today in Omagh. Didn't see any at the rest of the games.
The Nationalists in the North express their solidarity with a oppressed minority in Palestine.
The Unionists, predictibly enough, express their solidarity with the Israeli occupiers.
Personally, I dont know if inside the ground is the right venue for such demonstrations.
Didn't have an opinion either way until I heard who the boys that brought the flags were. The closest most of them would come to solidarity with the Palestinian people is when they eat their daily Doner kebab bought with a DLA cheque. Most of them couldn't pick out Palestine on a map if they tried.
Pathetic post
Quote from: whitey on June 04, 2018, 10:47:55 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 04, 2018, 10:06:07 AM
Quote from: whitey on June 04, 2018, 12:23:20 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 03, 2018, 11:40:01 PM
Is the flying of the Palestine flag at gaa matches more of a northern thing?
Plenty on show today in Omagh. Didn't see any at the rest of the games.
The Nationalists in the North express their solidarity with a oppressed minority in Palestine.
The Unionists, predictibly enough, express their solidarity with the Israeli occupiers.
Personally, I dont know if inside the ground is the right venue for such demonstrations.
So by southerners not flying the Palestine flag, they don't care about the Palestinians plight, nor their fellow countrymen's?
Who said that?
The flying of the Palestinian flag is almost exclusively a Northern thing
No one is stopping any other supporters from flying it
Nobody. I was asking it.
Quote from: trileacman on June 04, 2018, 02:29:55 AM
Quote from: whitey on June 04, 2018, 12:23:20 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 03, 2018, 11:40:01 PM
Is the flying of the Palestine flag at gaa matches more of a northern thing?
Plenty on show today in Omagh. Didn't see any at the rest of the games.
The Nationalists in the North express their solidarity with a oppressed minority in Palestine.
The Unionists, predictibly enough, express their solidarity with the Israeli occupiers.
Personally, I dont know if inside the ground is the right venue for such demonstrations.
Didn't have an opinion either way until I heard who the boys that brought the flags were. The closest most of them would come to solidarity with the Palestinian people is when they eat their daily Doner kebab bought with a DLA cheque. Most of them couldn't pick out Palestine on a map if they tried.
What takes these Trillick men to a Fermanagh game?
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 04, 2018, 12:01:43 PM
Quote from: trileacman on June 04, 2018, 02:29:55 AM
Quote from: whitey on June 04, 2018, 12:23:20 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 03, 2018, 11:40:01 PM
Is the flying of the Palestine flag at gaa matches more of a northern thing?
Plenty on show today in Omagh. Didn't see any at the rest of the games.
The Nationalists in the North express their solidarity with a oppressed minority in Palestine.
The Unionists, predictibly enough, express their solidarity with the Israeli occupiers.
Personally, I dont know if inside the ground is the right venue for such demonstrations.
Didn't have an opinion either way until I heard who the boys that brought the flags were. The closest most of them would come to solidarity with the Palestinian people is when they eat their daily Doner kebab bought with a DLA cheque. Most of them couldn't pick out Palestine on a map if they tried.
Pathetic post
We'll have to get Trillick man to vet who is worthy to carry a Palestine flag in future.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 04, 2018, 09:22:10 PM
Quote from: trileacman on June 04, 2018, 02:29:55 AM
Quote from: whitey on June 04, 2018, 12:23:20 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 03, 2018, 11:40:01 PM
Is the flying of the Palestine flag at gaa matches more of a northern thing?
Plenty on show today in Omagh. Didn't see any at the rest of the games.
The Nationalists in the North express their solidarity with a oppressed minority in Palestine.
The Unionists, predictibly enough, express their solidarity with the Israeli occupiers.
Personally, I dont know if inside the ground is the right venue for such demonstrations.
Didn't have an opinion either way until I heard who the boys that brought the flags were. The closest most of them would come to solidarity with the Palestinian people is when they eat their daily Doner kebab bought with a DLA cheque. Most of them couldn't pick out Palestine on a map if they tried.
What takes these Trillick men to a Fermanagh game?
Possibly to watch their relatives/to see how a captain leads his side to victory/eoin v mattie???