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Leaving aside the obvious hillbilly shit, the chair of the county board asked the council for advice on crest design? What?

Was there any trouble at the Setanta Cup matches this year?!!

The Setanta Cup that ended 9 years ago?

The smoking gun that soccer has a bigger problem is fascists, lower league English football and a defunct competition...?

I have to agree with that. Soccer is such a bad example of a sport to compare to it, often ran by a corrupt mercenary organisation counting ultras and fascists among supporters. The GAA needs to keep its own standards and keep them better...

Those well known Irish soccer fascists...

Gaago? Not mercinary?

Why are we even talkimg about soccer?

Because it has had to segregate its followers for the last 50 years maybe?

Because of a FIFA rule, not because of Irish fascists.

Nothing but a fair lot of scum following teams these days. Nearly as bad as the soccer. They have to start seperating them in the hill.

It's much worse than soccer.

fans are separated in soccer. Rows would be fairly common outside of stadiums in soccer would they?

No.

Yes. Plenty of rows in the lower leagues in England. They just dont get reported. Also a lot involving prem teams. Unfortunately I have been caught up in them before

What has England got to do with it?

I have to agree with that. Soccer is such a bad example of a sport to compare to it, often ran by a corrupt mercenary organisation counting ultras and fascists among supporters. The GAA needs to keep its own standards and keep them better...

Those well known Irish soccer fascists...

Gaago? Not mercinary?

Why are we even talkimg about soccer?

https://twitter.com/cotupacs/status/1678319619310858241?t=pljJfj2vE19ASI-i8UM1dQ&s=19

Nothing but a fair lot of scum following teams these days. Nearly as bad as the soccer. They have to start seperating them in the hill.

Is that true though? When was the last row at a soccer game?

Wasn't there a row at the fai cup final last year? Gardai had to wade into the shelbourne end to pull some lads out

Yes, there was. Fair enough, but that was November and I don't recall anything else this sesson or last.
In the meantime how many incidents at GAA games?

I think the days of pointing at soccer as a bad example are long gone.

Nothing but a fair lot of scum following teams these days. Nearly as bad as the soccer. They have to start seperating them in the hill.

It's much worse than soccer.

fans are separated in soccer. Rows would be fairly common outside of stadiums in soccer would they?

No.

Nothing but a fair lot of scum following teams these days. Nearly as bad as the soccer. They have to start seperating them in the hill.

Is that true though? When was the last row at a soccer game?

[we are more passionate]

I've never been to an amateur or Sunday league soccer game - does the same go on there or is it worse at GAA games?

Never heard of a referee being stabbed at the soccer, so no.

But why even start the whataboutery

I don't think O'Neill is going for the "whataboutery" angle. Seemed like a genuine question to me.

I too would be interested in the answer. I am imaging there wouldn't be the same vitriol as you don't have the same parish vibes and that the soccer games are a gather up of people from everywhere with less spectators.

Referees went on strike in Dublin and last year. Abuse happens. The difference is it isn't tolerated.

And spare us the 'we are more passionate' justification

What shite are you spouting now? Who is the "we" ?

I am saying that GAA club matches probably have more of a crowd and the crowd has more of a connection to the team given the parish rule compared to an amateur soccer team who can transfer players in from everywhere.

I am also none the wiser as to whether the same abuse and vitriol is directed at referees in the amateur soccer league games.

You are saying that any better behaviour towords referees in soccer is because soccer fans aren't passionate enough to attack referees. Are you sure about that?

I think abuse of referees happens along the same lines in soccer. But the associations deal with it robustly, which simply doesn't happen in the GAA

Absolutely never said such a thing. If you have 200 people at a match, there is more likelihood of a trouble maker being in attendance compared to a crowd of 20.

Also with increased numbers comes increased chances of people clashing with each other, verbally or physically in the crowd.

I don't know how soccer deals with abuse of referees. I do know that there are far too many loopholes and appeals in GAA when it comes to punishments and sanctions. Instead of sucking it up and taking your medicine, a lot of people's first reaction is to try and get out of the suspension.

There should be zero tolerance to abuse of referees, in any shape or form. Without them, there would simply be no games.

Irish league and league of Ireland crowds dwarf gaa club games. Your argument is silly.

Don't BB.

You're right about LOI.

But pretty much every D1 club team in County Down would match or beat the attendances at Newry City and Warrenpoint Town.

And the last time a referee got stuck in the boot of a car, or hopped like the leinster final in the LoI was?

[we are more passionate]

I've never been to an amateur or Sunday league soccer game - does the same go on there or is it worse at GAA games?

Never heard of a referee being stabbed at the soccer, so no.

But why even start the whataboutery

I don't think O'Neill is going for the "whataboutery" angle. Seemed like a genuine question to me.

I too would be interested in the answer. I am imaging there wouldn't be the same vitriol as you don't have the same parish vibes and that the soccer games are a gather up of people from everywhere with less spectators.

Referees went on strike in Dublin and last year. Abuse happens. The difference is it isn't tolerated.

And spare us the 'we are more passionate' justification

What shite are you spouting now? Who is the "we" ?

I am saying that GAA club matches probably have more of a crowd and the crowd has more of a connection to the team given the parish rule compared to an amateur soccer team who can transfer players in from everywhere.

I am also none the wiser as to whether the same abuse and vitriol is directed at referees in the amateur soccer league games.

You are saying that any better behaviour towords referees in soccer is because soccer fans aren't passionate enough to attack referees. Are you sure about that?

I think abuse of referees happens along the same lines in soccer. But the associations deal with it robustly, which simply doesn't happen in the GAA

Absolutely never said such a thing. If you have 200 people at a match, there is more likelihood of a trouble maker being in attendance compared to a crowd of 20.

Also with increased numbers comes increased chances of people clashing with each other, verbally or physically in the crowd.

I don't know how soccer deals with abuse of referees. I do know that there are far too many loopholes and appeals in GAA when it comes to punishments and sanctions. Instead of sucking it up and taking your medicine, a lot of people's first reaction is to try and get out of the suspension.

There should be zero tolerance to abuse of referees, in any shape or form. Without them, there would simply be no games.

Irish league and league of Ireland crowds dwarf gaa club games. Your argument is silly.

[but it's not like this sort of incident is a regular occurrence - especially at a juvenile match.]

Is there a bit of conflation going on?

Not to take away from the seriousness of the situation; or from the very obvious problem we have at club level when it comes to respecting match officials, verbal abuse, assaults etc... but it's not like this sort of incident is a regular occurrence - especially at a juvenile match. A couple of posters have provided some context with regards to the alleged perpetrator who it seems has some behavioural issues. Talk of a referee strike is a bit ott.

I recently heard abuse being shouted at a referee at an under 8s tournament, by fully grown men. This is not the rare occurrence you think it is.

I'm talking about someone pulling a knife - it's unheard of.
Verbal abuse is rampant.

Key point is where do we, as GAA people, draw the line?

Is physical abuse not ok but verbal abuse ok?

Do we say to kids who are getting bullied, take the verbal bullying but tell someone when it start to get physical?

Good opportunity now for the GAA, and especially Jarlath Burns, to draw up a proper code of conduct and tie it in with disclipline.

Over to the GAA now.

It's a cliche, but the goys have this sorted. Egg chasing does not tolerate it.

[we are more passionate]

I've never been to an amateur or Sunday league soccer game - does the same go on there or is it worse at GAA games?

Never heard of a referee being stabbed at the soccer, so no.

But why even start the whataboutery

I don't think O'Neill is going for the "whataboutery" angle. Seemed like a genuine question to me.

I too would be interested in the answer. I am imaging there wouldn't be the same vitriol as you don't have the same parish vibes and that the soccer games are a gather up of people from everywhere with less spectators.

Referees went on strike in Dublin and last year. Abuse happens. The difference is it isn't tolerated.

And spare us the 'we are more passionate' justification

What shite are you spouting now? Who is the "we" ?

I am saying that GAA club matches probably have more of a crowd and the crowd has more of a connection to the team given the parish rule compared to an amateur soccer team who can transfer players in from everywhere.

I am also none the wiser as to whether the same abuse and vitriol is directed at referees in the amateur soccer league games.

You are saying that any better behaviour towords referees in soccer is because soccer fans aren't passionate enough to attack referees. Are you sure about that?

I think abuse of referees happens along the same lines in soccer. But the associations deal with it robustly, which simply doesn't happen in the GAA

Presumably he was paying for the fuel?
Was it any of RTÉ's concern where he got the car from or whether he'd paid for it, got it free or whatever?

I know my boss doesn't question where i got the car i drive from.

Did a commercial partner of your company give you a car no strings attached for no obvious reason?

I've never been to an amateur or Sunday league soccer game - does the same go on there or is it worse at GAA games?

Never heard of a referee being stabbed at the soccer, so no.

But why even start the whataboutery

I don't think O'Neill is going for the "whataboutery" angle. Seemed like a genuine question to me.

I too would be interested in the answer. I am imaging there wouldn't be the same vitriol as you don't have the same parish vibes and that the soccer games are a gather up of people from everywhere with less spectators.

Referees went on strike in Dublin and last year. Abuse happens. The difference is it isn't tolerated.

And spare us the 'we are more passionate' justification