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BB, a question. Have you always hated the Association, or is this something that has grown over time?

I think maybe I misinterpreted your inputs on this thread initially, as arising from concern for public health, or just a desire for law abiding citizens.

But your continued incessant desire to see all members of the GAA punished until all members can somehow prove they're toeing the line, combined with your growing rhetoric that the GAA stands alone among sporting organisations for Covid contempt,  just stinks of an anti-GAA agenda. Absolutely stinks.

You are a child. Expecting the GAA as a community and sporting body to do the right thing is not an agenda and is not hatred of the association. You got your arse hsnded to you on this thread and are going down that infantile route.

Your belief that the GAA doesn't need to and shouldn't be expected to help stop, or at least not spread, covid is quite frankly worrying. I really hope you are not a committee man

The GAA have been superb during this virus including allowing their own stadiums become test centes. They were correct to look for clarification on these new restrictions but it should have been done in private instead of using a social media.

Compared to other sports thats simply not correct. And saying it perpetuates the problem. No other sport publically flouted the rules. This is not tbe time for wink and nudge culture.

Care to elaborate on what's not true. None of us know what's done in private with others sports. For one they require assistance before returning to action much like GAA have done.

Look at other sports on tv. Fans simply weren't sitting together in groups. 200 was rigorously enforced in the LoI for example, it clearly wasn't at some GAA games.

The GAA have been superb during this virus including allowing their own stadiums become test centes. They were correct to look for clarification on these new restrictions but it should have been done in private instead of using a social media.

Compared to other sports thats simply not correct. And saying it perpetuates the problem. No other sport publically flouted the rules. This is not tbe time for wink and nudge culture.

i think the numbers attending GAA matches should be restricted. There is a differnence between business and peoples livelihoods and  sports and this is factored into what is and isnt an acceptable risk. The line is drawn somewhere and thats that however where the line is, is of course debateable.

i have not seen very many good arguments IMO for increases in spectators numbers at matches, however if the GAA stressed the economic benefit to local businesses of matches taking place i struggle to find an arguement of not allowing spectators at matches.

The good argument is that you are much less likely to get Covid outside than inside. Anyone that ignores this is ignoring science. Allowing 50 people indoors and only 15 outdoors is bollix.
And as for the economic argument, sport is a benefit to people, but there are some costs to running it and you are denying the means to cover those costs.

Well said.

i dont think ive seen anyone claim there is less chance of catching covid indoor v outdoor, so that whole argument is nonsense imo. There are socio econimic elements also considered in deciding what is restricted and what isnt.  Getting schools back has and still seems to be the priority even though it carries a significant level of risk and obviously takes place indoors. Pubs, restaurents, hotels etc. are open because of the economic benefit not because they are safer than other businesses or activities. Sports are very low down the list but beacuse of health and social benefits id imagine  they decided to allow matches to take place.

what i was saying is the economic benefits appear to be a priority for the government and imo rightly so over sports, the GAA could make the argument by having games and spectators they are suppprting economic recovery which is the governments priority.

its hard to argue against allowing pubs and restaurants open to help peoples livelihoods but then say that events that lead to more attendance at these pubs and restaurants which help people livelihoods that work in these businesses  is bad.

Lots of peoples livelihoods are sport based though

Koeman keeping the seat warm for Jimmy

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/why-do-you-say-that-jose-mourinho-was-only-an-assistant-joe-brolly-on-why-jim-mcguinness-could-manage-barcelona-35898159.html

Well that didn't age well.

Or do you really think a volunteer marshal should spend 60 minutes walking up and down each bank, telling people to stay apart ("but we all travelled here together and are in the same bubble"), and judiciously guessing who is telling the truth?

Absolutely. The real question is why do you think they shouldn't.

Its somewhat bizarre that you think the GAA shouldn't enforce their own social distancing rules that were implemented in order to be allowed play games.

What's next Benny?

Some petrolhead pricks broke the speed limit. Close the roads, surely?

Some unconcerned p***k got a prescription they didn't need. Shut down free prescriptions, surely?

Some Irish lads behaved badly on holiday in Spain. No more travel to Spain, surely?

Some teenager managed to get their hands on a bottle of vodka. Ban vodka surely? Or ban all alcohol.

Some factory owner was cruel to staff. The only logical  conclusion , surely is to close all factories.

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The establishment is the problem.

People take risks around the boundaries of the law. Some more than others. But we all do it. You do it yourself.

To use your logic, there should be no speed limits, prescription drugs should be available in limitless amounts over the counter to anybody, there should be no laws against bad behaviour by tourists in Spain, there should be no legal age for drinking alcohol, and no regulations to protect workers' rights

No Sid. To use my logic, the government shouldn't shut down services in entirety because of individual indiscretions.

What's that straw man thing you like bringing up?

And normally they don't, they punish the orgabisers, who you claimed have no responsibility

But we aren't in normal times. And the GAA publicly flouted the rules, FF needed a target, all sport got it in the neck. The response of demanding data and a meeting wasn't wise either

There have been no cases tracked from outdoor sports events. None.

Where did you hear this? They have stated that there is evidence to show people carpooling to games, and congregating before and after games, has resulted in cases

GAA officials have stated on field activities hasn't resulted in a case thus far. It was only 100 paying supporters in the 26 counties, 50 from each club. Plenty are carpool to the shops, restaurants, beach etc and congregating before and after.


It seems a few on here are going to be shocked and angry when the plug is pulled on the inter County season to fill the void the club provincial and All-Ireland series should be restored for the October to December.

I've been at games and was a lot more then '100', paying members. It didn't make sense that the 6 Counties went from no crowds to 400.  One step back 2 step forward.

The Airtricity league has been playing with without crowds. They could have used the 200 allowance, but would have more hassle then its was worth with who could have tickets.

Pretty sure loi teams were letting in 50 supporters, drawn between season ticket holders.

Some did, most didn't.

200 isn't hard to get to with players, coaches, journos, tv, delegates and so on.

What's next Benny?

Some petrolhead pricks broke the speed limit. Close the roads, surely?

Some unconcerned p***k got a prescription they didn't need. Shut down free prescriptions, surely?

Some Irish lads behaved badly on holiday in Spain. No more travel to Spain, surely?

Some teenager managed to get their hands on a bottle of vodka. Ban vodka surely? Or ban all alcohol.

Some factory owner was cruel to staff. The only logical  conclusion , surely is to close all factories.

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The establishment is the problem.

People take risks around the boundaries of the law. Some more than others. But we all do it. You do it yourself.

To use your logic, there should be no speed limits, prescription drugs should be available in limitless amounts over the counter to anybody, there should be no laws against bad behaviour by tourists in Spain, there should be no legal age for drinking alcohol, and no regulations to protect workers' rights

This.

What's next Benny?

Some petrolhead pricks broke the speed limit. Close the roads, surely?

Some unconcerned p***k got a prescription they didn't need. Shut down free prescriptions, surely?

Some Irish lads behaved badly on holiday in Spain. No more travel to Spain, surely?

Some teenager managed to get their hands on a bottle of vodka. Ban vodka surely? Or ban all alcohol.

Some factory owner was cruel to staff. The only logical  conclusion , surely is to close all factories.

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The establishment is the problem.

People take risks around the boundaries of the law. Some more than others. But we all do it. You do it yourself.

Every single thing you listed is regulated and there are sanctions for breaching those regulations. This is hysterical whataboutery.

You're specialising in missing the point.

The sanctions for these offences punish the individual for individual offences.

Your last two are specifically corporate malfeasance, the company gets punished, not the individual who works there who erred.

You are on a different planet if you think the GAA (or any sports body) cannot be held accountable for what happens on their property at an event they manage.

What's next Benny?

Some petrolhead pricks broke the speed limit. Close the roads, surely?

Some unconcerned p***k got a prescription they didn't need. Shut down free prescriptions, surely?

Some Irish lads behaved badly on holiday in Spain. No more travel to Spain, surely?

Some teenager managed to get their hands on a bottle of vodka. Ban vodka surely? Or ban all alcohol.

Some factory owner was cruel to staff. The only logical  conclusion , surely is to close all factories.

——

The establishment is the problem.

People take risks around the boundaries of the law. Some more than others. But we all do it. You do it yourself.

Every single thing you listed is regulated and there are sanctions for breaching those regulations. This is hysterical whataboutery.

[it is absolutely on the GAA if social distancing rules are not obeyed in grounds. Bubbles be damned. Seats have to be marked, you can sit here and here only. If people disregard that, out they go. End of.]

it is absolutely on the GAA if social distancing rules are not obeyed in grounds. Bubbles be damned. Seats have to be marked, you can sit here and here only. If people disregard that, out they go. End of.

Show me workings here please. No theories or hopeful punts. Just some  regulations from government that I've missed. Thanks in advance.

You mean like the GAA's own regulations?

*There is an onus on both the spectator and the organisers to ensure that all social distancing requirements are adhered to. This is currently 2 metres. In line with GAA protocols, supporters are strongly advised to wear face coverings at games. Patrons are also encouraged to bring their own hand sanitiser.

https://www.gaa.ie/news/nhsc-guidelines-on-return-of-spectators-to-gaa-club-games/

Some matches did not obey the GAA's rules. End of.

So by that logic all restaurants/pubs should be closed after the incident at the Berlin bar at the weekend?

I'm sure it was discussed.

Was it discussed?
Sorry I didnt know that.

Tell me - how did they then make the decision that it was safer to keep pubs/restaurants open than to allow attendance at open air events?

Baile - can you explain how in your opinion this happened?

The GAA made it easy for them. Televised games, clear and obvious flouting. They had to be seen to do something and sport got it in the neck. Wink and nudge doesn't cut it here.

[it is absolutely on the GAA if social distancing rules are not obeyed in grounds. Bubbles be damned. Seats have to be marked, you can sit here and here only. If people disregard that, out they go. End of.]

it is absolutely on the GAA if social distancing rules are not obeyed in grounds. Bubbles be damned. Seats have to be marked, you can sit here and here only. If people disregard that, out they go. End of.

Show me workings here please. No theories or hopeful punts. Just some  regulations from government that I've missed. Thanks in advance.

You mean like the GAA's own regulations?

*There is an onus on both the spectator and the organisers to ensure that all social distancing requirements are adhered to. This is currently 2 metres. In line with GAA protocols, supporters are strongly advised to wear face coverings at games. Patrons are also encouraged to bring their own hand sanitiser.

https://www.gaa.ie/news/nhsc-guidelines-on-return-of-spectators-to-gaa-club-games/

Some matches did not obey the GAA's rules. End of.

Hold on. "End of?"

You have hung your hat on one open-ended, non-commital word "onus" in a 2,000 word statement.

And from that you feel you can justify your previous nonsense that:

Seats have to be marked, you can sit here and here only. If people disregard that, out they go. End of.

People like you are dangerous. You will cast off any nonsense in your head as fact. This is not a time for people to push agenda filled rumours. Stop it. Just stop it.

You are fumbling now. You asked for a document outlining the rules, you got it. Non committal my arse.

[it is absolutely on the GAA if social distancing rules are not obeyed in grounds. Bubbles be damned. Seats have to be marked, you can sit here and here only. If people disregard that, out they go. End of.]

it is absolutely on the GAA if social distancing rules are not obeyed in grounds. Bubbles be damned. Seats have to be marked, you can sit here and here only. If people disregard that, out they go. End of.

Show me workings here please. No theories or hopeful punts. Just some  regulations from government that I've missed. Thanks in advance.

You mean like the GAA's own regulations?

*There is an onus on both the spectator and the organisers to ensure that all social distancing requirements are adhered to. This is currently 2 metres. In line with GAA protocols, supporters are strongly advised to wear face coverings at games. Patrons are also encouraged to bring their own hand sanitiser.

https://www.gaa.ie/news/nhsc-guidelines-on-return-of-spectators-to-gaa-club-games/

Some matches did not obey the GAA's rules. End of.

So by that logic all restaurants/pubs should be closed after the incident at the Berlin bar at the weekend?

I'm sure it was discussed.

In principle I don't really see why inter-county matches can't go ahead behind closed doors given that club matches are already being played

One reason why is it would cost more to run than whatever TV money is received. County boards already cash strapped with tiny and now no crowds at their club games and to prepare a county team for inter County championship doesn't come cheap.

Counties don't have to spend the money they usually would on preparation, in fact they don't have to spend very much at all, the players just play

Amazingly enough this has happened in the past

If managers are not happy, well, tough

For the GAA to sacrifice its biggest competitions would be a very big blow in terms of lost publicity

Other sports are not going to stop, and the GAA competes against other sports for publicity and thus for young people participating, young people want to play because of what they see on d'telly or on viral clips or whatever it is they look at these days

If there's no crowds at the matches, well, so be it

I think a winter All-Ireland championship on d'telly would fill a big gap in the lives of a lot of people at a very difficult time, a need to connect, if not in physical terms, in emotional terms, it would help provide much needed communality

People need a distraction

Sport without crowds is better than nothing, it really is

There's your ironic marketing slogan - "The 2020 All-Ireland Championships - Better Than Nothing"

Its quite bizarre that this is even a thing. Nix the championship if tv money doesn't cover costs. What? Play the damn thing now. Soccer is back, rugby starts at the weekend. If they can do it and pay players, we have zero excuses.