2016 Leinster Football Championship

Started by Kuwabatake Sanjuro, May 09, 2016, 09:31:09 PM

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Croí na hÉireann

He's not even trying to hide or disguise it at this stage, could have sneaked a solo in no bother.
Westmeath - Home of the Christy Ring Cup...

Fuzzman

What is the exact rule about changing hands with the ball. It always get mentioned by disgruntled fans when a goal is scored but I don't think I've ever see a ref blow up for it.

BTW, did McManomon look a bit more stocky than normal on Sat or was it just the new jerseys? He has great acceleration for his build.

AZOffaly

You can move the ball from one hand to the other as long as both hands are holding the ball as the switch is made. In other words you can be holding the ball in the left hand, put your right hand on the ball as well, and then take the ball away in the right hand only.

You cannot 'toss' the ball from one hand to the other.

Hardy

But you can only do that once per possession, for some strange reason that must have made sense to whoever wrote the rule. Or maybe not.

Rule 1.4
When a player is in possession of the ball, it
may be :
(d) changed from one hand to the other once,
with the original holding hand maintaining
contact until the change is completed;

PW Nally

Quote from: Hardy on June 08, 2016, 11:42:50 AM
But you can only do that once per possession, for some strange reason that must have made sense to whoever wrote the rule. Or maybe not.

Rule 1.4
When a player is in possession of the ball, it
may be :
(d) changed from one hand to the other once,
with the original holding hand maintaining
contact until the change is completed;

Considered a new possession once you hop or solo the ball?

muppet

Quote from: Hardy on June 08, 2016, 11:42:50 AM
But you can only do that once per possession, for some strange reason that must have made sense to whoever wrote the rule. Or maybe not.

Rule 1.4
When a player is in possession of the ball, it
may be :
(d) changed from one hand to the other once,
with the original holding hand maintaining
contact until the change is completed;


But you can do it all you like if you are not in possession of the ball?  :D
MWWSI 2017

Hardy

Quote from: PW Nally on June 08, 2016, 02:16:52 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 08, 2016, 11:42:50 AM
But you can only do that once per possession, for some strange reason that must have made sense to whoever wrote the rule. Or maybe not.

Rule 1.4
When a player is in possession of the ball, it
may be :
(d) changed from one hand to the other once,
with the original holding hand maintaining
contact until the change is completed;

Considered a new possession once you hop or solo the ball?

I was wondering about that too, but the wording of Rule 4 would seem to indicate that possession of the ball means the time from when you get the ball until you play it away or are dispossessed - so including all your hops and toe-taps.

I say that because Rule 1.4 covers all the things you can do with a ball while in possession, including the fact that you must not hop twice in succession. That wouldn't be logical if each hop or toe-tap was a separate possession.

Rule 1.4
When a player is in possession of the ball, it
may be:-
(a) carried for a maximum of four consecutive
steps or held in the hand(s) for no longer
than the time needed to take four steps;
(b) played from the foot to the hand(s) -toetapped;
(c) bounced once, and once after each toe-tap;
(d) changed from one hand to the other once,
with the original holding hand maintaining
contact until the change is completed;
(e) played away with:
   (i) a fist
   (ii) an open hand-in which instance there
        shall be a definite underhand striking
        action
(f) released for a kick, a toe-tap or a pass with
a fist or an open hand.
The ball may be knocked from an opponent's
hand(s) by flicking it with the open hand.

Give and Go

I think the holding hand released the ball before he transferred it to the other hand, therefore technical foul and a free out should have been awarded!

PW Nally

Quote from: Hardy on June 08, 2016, 04:51:02 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on June 08, 2016, 02:16:52 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 08, 2016, 11:42:50 AM
But you can only do that once per possession, for some strange reason that must have made sense to whoever wrote the rule. Or maybe not.

Rule 1.4
When a player is in possession of the ball, it
may be :
(d) changed from one hand to the other once,
with the original holding hand maintaining
contact until the change is completed;

Considered a new possession once you hop or solo the ball?

I was wondering about that too, but the wording of Rule 4 would seem to indicate that possession of the ball means the time from when you get the ball until you play it away or are dispossessed - so including all your hops and toe-taps.

I say that because Rule 1.4 covers all the things you can do with a ball while in possession, including the fact that you must not hop twice in succession. That wouldn't be logical if each hop or toe-tap was a separate possession.

Rule 1.4
When a player is in possession of the ball, it
may be:-
(a) carried for a maximum of four consecutive
steps or held in the hand(s) for no longer
than the time needed to take four steps;
(b) played from the foot to the hand(s) -toetapped;
(c) bounced once, and once after each toe-tap;
(d) changed from one hand to the other once,
with the original holding hand maintaining
contact until the change is completed;
(e) played away with:
   (i) a fist
   (ii) an open hand-in which instance there
        shall be a definite underhand striking
        action
(f) released for a kick, a toe-tap or a pass with
a fist or an open hand.
The ball may be knocked from an opponent's
hand(s) by flicking it with the open hand.

Mugsey's famous goal against Dublin was 2 show the ball with left hand and solo off right hand if I recall correctly.

Croí na hÉireann

Quote from: PW Nally on June 08, 2016, 06:33:59 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 08, 2016, 04:51:02 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on June 08, 2016, 02:16:52 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 08, 2016, 11:42:50 AM
But you can only do that once per possession, for some strange reason that must have made sense to whoever wrote the rule. Or maybe not.

Rule 1.4
When a player is in possession of the ball, it
may be :
(d) changed from one hand to the other once,
with the original holding hand maintaining
contact until the change is completed;

Considered a new possession once you hop or solo the ball?

I was wondering about that too, but the wording of Rule 4 would seem to indicate that possession of the ball means the time from when you get the ball until you play it away or are dispossessed - so including all your hops and toe-taps.

I say that because Rule 1.4 covers all the things you can do with a ball while in possession, including the fact that you must not hop twice in succession. That wouldn't be logical if each hop or toe-tap was a separate possession.

Rule 1.4
When a player is in possession of the ball, it
may be:-
(a) carried for a maximum of four consecutive
steps or held in the hand(s) for no longer
than the time needed to take four steps;
(b) played from the foot to the hand(s) -toetapped;
(c) bounced once, and once after each toe-tap;
(d) changed from one hand to the other once,
with the original holding hand maintaining
contact until the change is completed;
(e) played away with:
   (i) a fist
   (ii) an open hand-in which instance there
        shall be a definite underhand striking
        action
(f) released for a kick, a toe-tap or a pass with
a fist or an open hand.
The ball may be knocked from an opponent's
hand(s) by flicking it with the open hand.

Mugsey's famous goal against Dublin was 2 show the ball with left hand and solo off right hand if I recall correctly.

Which is ok only for the fact he caught the ball initially with the right hand.
Westmeath - Home of the Christy Ring Cup...

Dinny Breen

Westmeath leading by 6 and Eastmeath leading by 5 at half-time.
#newbridgeornowhere

AZOffaly

Well done Westmeath. Disappointed with that, but Offaly showed spirit at least. Best of luck v Kildare.

gerrykeegan

Offaly were really really bad in the first half. Someone from Offaly behind me said the kids at half time were more skillful.  Westmeath were the same in the second half. We were lucky to survive. Heslin is great to watch, he has that bit of class about him. Looked like Connellan got hit with a sly dig after the whistle. Good day out.
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(A legitimately held title unlike Dinny's)

AZOffaly

I heard it was Martin and he got a belt from an Offaly fan. If so, that's disgraceful and I hope he's charged with assault.

shark

Was Kieran Martin alright. He will be fine, although his nose was broken. Not sure if it was a supporter though.

Important win for Westmeath after the disasterous league campaign.