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Bord na Mona man

How much of Labour's 1997 election win was down to public fatigue with the rampant Tory sleaze of the early 90s, or else the emergence of an acceptable Labour leadership to middle England?

In Boolean logic, was it and AND gate or an OR gate? At the moment Johnson is fulfilling his part of the input.

johnnycool

Quote from: Bord na Mona man on November 11, 2021, 03:38:30 PM
How much of Labour's 1997 election win was down to public fatigue with the rampant Tory sleaze of the early 90s, or else the emergence of an acceptable Labour leadership to middle England?

In Boolean logic, was it and AND gate or an OR gate? At the moment Johnson is fulfilling his part of the input.

What is absolutely astounding is the ability of the current Tory leadership to forget the Austerity agenda by their very own party under Cameron and May and as much as their ably assisted by a compliant media when they trumpet about returning school spending to 2010 levels (labour Gov) and Police numbers up to where they were prior to THEIR cuts that the British voting masses suck it up with vigour.

Levelling up,,,,,,,,

yellowcard

Quote from: tiempo on November 11, 2021, 03:01:50 PM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on November 11, 2021, 02:57:47 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 11, 2021, 01:27:58 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 11, 2021, 12:47:51 PM
The Tories are in a similar state to the one they were in in the early 90s. They have been in power for too long and have run out of ideas. FF had a dose of it in 2008-11.

However, in the 1990s Labour had an able and popular leader in Blair to take over things.

It shows how absolutely banjaxed Labour are when they cannot turn the tide in their favour after Tory screw up after screw up, Brexit, Covid itself, Covid contracts issued to their mates - some of the goings-on are criminal, the Patterson affair etc. The list goes on and on.

The Tories eviscerated Corbyn as a perceived risk to their stay in power, Starmer getting no such treatment as no risk of winning a general election, almost as if he was hand picked by the Tories themselves. They are a horribly cynical election winning machine, reptilian as correctly pointed out in a previous post.

For the first time in a very long time, Labour are polling ahead of the Tories in recent days. Whether that translates into future election success is still very doubtful, Starmer has not made much of an impression so far and any gains made are purely down to the Tory sleaze, corruption and ineptitude of recent times. The only way I can see that changing anytime soon is if Murdoch got behind Labour. 

Rossfan

Quote from: johnnycool on November 11, 2021, 03:43:37 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on November 11, 2021, 03:38:30 PM
How much of Labour's 1997 election win was down to public fatigue with the rampant Tory sleaze of the early 90s, or else the emergence of an acceptable Labour leadership to middle England?

In Boolean logic, was it and AND gate or an OR gate? At the moment Johnson is fulfilling his part of the input.

What is absolutely astounding is the ability of the current Tory leadership to forget the Austerity agenda by their very own party under Cameron and May and as much as their ably assisted by a compliant media when they trumpet about returning school spending to 2010 levels (labour Gov) and Police numbers up to where they were prior to THEIR cuts that the British voting masses suck it up with vigour.

Levelling up,,,,,,,,
English voting masses.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

seafoid

Quote from: armaghniac on November 11, 2021, 01:27:58 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 11, 2021, 12:47:51 PM
The Tories are in a similar state to the one they were in in the early 90s. They have been in power for too long and have run out of ideas. FF had a dose of it in 2008-11.

However, in the 1990s Labour had an able and popular leader in Blair to take over things.
Labour was infiltrated by Zionists and neoliberals to prevent the left changing the economic system and damaging the rich and Israel
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

bennydorano

Quote from: seafoid on November 11, 2021, 07:51:04 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 11, 2021, 01:27:58 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 11, 2021, 12:47:51 PM
The Tories are in a similar state to the one they were in in the early 90s. They have been in power for too long and have run out of ideas. FF had a dose of it in 2008-11.

However, in the 1990s Labour had an able and popular leader in Blair to take over things.
Labour was infiltrated by Zionists and neoliberals to prevent the left changing the economic system and damaging the rich and Israel

And that's the sort of Gobshitery holding back the current UK Labour Party. People's front of Judea wouldn't get a look in.

seafoid

Quote from: bennydorano on November 11, 2021, 08:50:44 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 11, 2021, 07:51:04 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 11, 2021, 01:27:58 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 11, 2021, 12:47:51 PM
The Tories are in a similar state to the one they were in in the early 90s. They have been in power for too long and have run out of ideas. FF had a dose of it in 2008-11.

However, in the 1990s Labour had an able and popular leader in Blair to take over things.
Labour was infiltrated by Zionists and neoliberals to prevent the left changing the economic system and damaging the rich and Israel

And that's the sort of Gobshitery holding back the current UK Labour Party. People's front of Judea wouldn't get a look in.
Starmer is useless too
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

screenexile

Seems like the tide is starting to finally turn on Bojo with the papers getting stuck in and Cummings trying to finish him off with that blog post this morning.

As mouview has said what the f**k is there to replace him from that rabble? Rishi? Would he better than Boris? Rory Stewart is one of the few decent ones in the party but they'll never give it to him.

Rishi would probably be the front runner at least he would take the job seriously.

Apparently Boris wanted to take a bit of time to himself to write a Shakespeare book last year!!! The lack of self awareness for what's going on in the real world is astounding even by his standards!

mouview

Quote from: screenexile on November 12, 2021, 02:56:06 PM
Seems like the tide is starting to finally turn on Bojo with the papers getting stuck in and Cummings trying to finish him off with that blog post this morning.

As mouview has said what the f**k is there to replace him from that rabble? Rishi? Would he better than Boris? Rory Stewart is one of the few decent ones in the party but they'll never give it to him.

Rishi would probably be the front runner at least he would take the job seriously.

Apparently Boris wanted to take a bit of time to himself to write a Shakespeare book last year!!! The lack of self awareness for what's going on in the real world is astounding even by his standards!

Thought they heaved Rory Stewart also along with the rest of the moderate remainers.

Feel a bit sorry for Keir Starmer, he does seem like a capable and conscientious politician. Maybe he just doesn't fight dirty enough to take on the Tories at their level.

JohnDenver

Quote from: mouview on November 12, 2021, 03:16:15 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 12, 2021, 02:56:06 PM
Seems like the tide is starting to finally turn on Bojo with the papers getting stuck in and Cummings trying to finish him off with that blog post this morning.

As mouview has said what the f**k is there to replace him from that rabble? Rishi? Would he better than Boris? Rory Stewart is one of the few decent ones in the party but they'll never give it to him.

Rishi would probably be the front runner at least he would take the job seriously.

Apparently Boris wanted to take a bit of time to himself to write a Shakespeare book last year!!! The lack of self awareness for what's going on in the real world is astounding even by his standards!

Thought they heaved Rory Stewart also along with the rest of the moderate remainers.

Feel a bit sorry for Keir Starmer, he does seem like a capable and conscientious politician. Maybe he just doesn't fight dirty enough to take on the Tories at their level.

Stretching it a bit there

bennydorano

Rory Stewart is no longer an MP. Liz Truss has continually polled as the most popular Tory among Tory voters, so she'd be in the running to replace BJ if & when it ever happens, Sunak has obvious credentials and would be the Bookies favourite, think Gove is destined never to be PM although he'sstill in the hunt for the job, Javid has ideas above his station, he'd no doubt run again. BJ will be about for a fair while yet.

armaghniac

Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 40% (+5)
CON: 34% (-4)
LDEM: 10% (-)
GRN: 5% (+1)

via @SavantaComRes, 11 - 12 Nov
Chgs. w/ 07 Nov

https://t.co/kaJJiP0MO2
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

red hander

Quote from: JohnDenver on November 12, 2021, 03:33:32 PM
Quote from: mouview on November 12, 2021, 03:16:15 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 12, 2021, 02:56:06 PM
Seems like the tide is starting to finally turn on Bojo with the papers getting stuck in and Cummings trying to finish him off with that blog post this morning.

As mouview has said what the f**k is there to replace him from that rabble? Rishi? Would he better than Boris? Rory Stewart is one of the few decent ones in the party but they'll never give it to him.

Rishi would probably be the front runner at least he would take the job seriously.

Apparently Boris wanted to take a bit of time to himself to write a Shakespeare book last year!!! The lack of self awareness for what's going on in the real world is astounding even by his standards!

Thought they heaved Rory Stewart also along with the rest of the moderate remainers.

Feel a bit sorry for Keir Starmer, he does seem like a capable and conscientious politician. Maybe he just doesn't fight dirty enough to take on the Tories at their level.

Stretching it a bit there

Starmer is a complete and utter w**ker. 150000 dead and he hasn't laid a glove on the biggest idiot to inhabit No10 , which is saying something. In thrall to the Zionists in the party and a complete part of the British Establishment as a former, very poor, DPP. People need to get wise to this charlatan

Main Street

Quote from: bennydorano on November 10, 2021, 05:54:56 PM
Doesn't sound a backing down type of speech.

BBC News - Brexit: Suspension of NI-EU trade deal may be 'only option'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-59231057
You would have to cut out all the filling and focus on the relevant bits contained in the article.
The other day the EU fired a broadside, what they would do in response should article 16 be triggered,
'the consensus among EU member states that such an arbitrary and unjustified move by the UK will be met with a clear European response'

Frost "If the talks do in the end fail, we will of course publish in full our assessment of the EU's proposals and set out why they fall short of a durable settlement, but we will not do so until we have exhausted all the negotiating possibilities."
The interpretation of that is the British Gov are backing down, the government would not survive the effects of a united EU immediately implementing a fully prepared clear response (i.e. a no deal Brexit) and the Brits were only all about bluff and bluster in the first place.

Bord na Mona man

Quote from: red hander on November 13, 2021, 05:32:02 PM
Quote from: JohnDenver on November 12, 2021, 03:33:32 PM
Quote from: mouview on November 12, 2021, 03:16:15 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 12, 2021, 02:56:06 PM
Seems like the tide is starting to finally turn on Bojo with the papers getting stuck in and Cummings trying to finish him off with that blog post this morning.

As mouview has said what the f**k is there to replace him from that rabble? Rishi? Would he better than Boris? Rory Stewart is one of the few decent ones in the party but they'll never give it to him.

Rishi would probably be the front runner at least he would take the job seriously.

Apparently Boris wanted to take a bit of time to himself to write a Shakespeare book last year!!! The lack of self awareness for what's going on in the real world is astounding even by his standards!

Thought they heaved Rory Stewart also along with the rest of the moderate remainers.

Feel a bit sorry for Keir Starmer, he does seem like a capable and conscientious politician. Maybe he just doesn't fight dirty enough to take on the Tories at their level.

Stretching it a bit there

Starmer is a complete and utter w**ker. 150000 dead and he hasn't laid a glove on the biggest idiot to inhabit No10 , which is saying something. In thrall to the Zionists in the party and a complete part of the British Establishment as a former, very poor, DPP. People need to get wise to this charlatan

Where is all this zionists lark coming from?
Labour under Corbyn allowed hard left, anti-semites go unchecked.