Brian McIvor Quits Donegal

[J70]

They dont want an outsider in

What are you basing that conclusion on?

Would be interested to know the answer to that myself, alot of people on here talking about Donegal GAA being almost xenophobic - its a bit rich, after the dismissal of one manager (albeit done in a disgraceful way). Not one poster has backed up their claims of Donegal GAA being insular with any evidence!

Two of our last three managers have been outsiders. Two or three Donegal men were overlooked last year when McIver decided he wanted to come back. But us slack-jawed, mountain people sure don't like strangers!

[J70]

Not one poster has backed up their claims of Donegal GAA being insular with any evidence!

well despite being the biggest county, they've shown little interest in winning the Ulster championship.

The connection between those two statements being...?

[loughshore lad]

now, you never answered the question about other management experience.

I will answer it for you:

Won with Ardboe:
Senior Championship x 3
Under 21 Championship x 2
Other league and underage titles

Won with Ballinderry
Senior Championship x 2 (1995, 2001)
Ulster Club
All Ireland Club
Underage titles

Numerous titles with St Pius X in Magherafelt where he taught

So he has feck all previous experience and success when you look at it like that

[The GAA]

It was a simple enough question as i had no idea what his credentials were.

Once again though, county football is unfortunately a results and performance based environment.

[isourboydownyet]

i have been reading this thread with great interest this past day or so and the impression i get from most donegal posters they are looking to discredit brians credentials by basically saying he wasn't good enough for the job in the first place,well as somebody who has played under him (albeit at schools level) and know the man very well i have to say what a load of balls,this man is one of the most forward thinking decent man you would wish to meet,it's the same old story with donegal,looking for excuses for there failure and in this case brain will carry the can,when kevin cassidy speaks highly of him it says it all,one of the first players he disciplined in taking the job over yet this player rates him highly.brain mcaniff should be ashamed of himself going public and asking clubs to voice there concerns,he obviously had his agenda and wanted to get the ball rolling,i think you will see over the next few years where donegal are really at and you Will see what a good manager you hunted.rant over

[RMDrive]

i have been reading this thread with great interest this past day or so and the impression i get from most donegal posters they are looking to discredit brians credentials by basically saying he wasn't good enough for the job in the first place

What do you mean "most Donegal posters"? Just cause Donegal Danny and The GAA came on and expressed their opinion you are going to make a sweeping judgement about all Donegal people and posters on here?

[irunthev]

Here's my thoughts. McEniff (one of the most astute political movers in the GAA) has his eye on a man to take the job. This man however had his eye on another job until very recently but now that job will not be available. This man (if I remember correctly) was briefly involved with McEniff last time he was in charge. This man would run the show, but also allow McEniff to have his pennies worth as and when it suited Brian. The man I think will appear from the long grass will be Ray Munroe. Tyrone's resurgence this year puts to bed any question of Harte standing down, so rules out any chance of Munroe getting the senior job. He has had success with Carrickmore and Pomeroy as well as Tyrone Minors. It might seem a bit far fetched, but there is no doubt that McEniff is planning something and it would be the perfect stepping stone for Munroe into the Tyrone senior job should he make a success of it.

[Uladh]

i have been reading this thread with great interest this past day or so and the impression i get from most donegal posters they are looking to discredit brians credentials by basically saying he wasn't good enough for the job in the first place,well as somebody who has played under him (albeit at schools level) and know the man very well i have to say what a load of balls,this man is one of the most forward thinking decent man you would wish to meet,it's the same old story with donegal,looking for excuses for there failure and in this case brain will carry the can,when kevin cassidy speaks highly of him it says it all,one of the first players he disciplined in taking the job over yet this player rates him highly.brain mcaniff should be ashamed of himself going public and asking clubs to voice there concerns,he obviously had his agenda and wanted to get the ball rolling,i think you will see over the next few years where donegal are really at and you Will see what a good manager you hunted.rant over

reading this thread it seems most of the arguments against the clubs seem to centre around Brian McIvor being a very decent man and how badly he's been treated, and how wrong it is because of people's personal encounters with the man in the past. from the outside though, i can see how there is a strong critical argument based on results and progress since he took over. county management is a tough oul station.

[billy the kid]

Where do you stand on the whole thing RMD?

Cheers Loughshore I thought he had managed Arboe to a bit of success at senior but wasnt 100% sure.

The man has got a very raw deal and been treated appalingly IMO.

[billy the kid]

Irunthev that is very interesting and I def think that McEniff has been instrumental in having McIvor removed going by the way he arranged the whole thing and what he said in the paper. He def has some agenda IMO. I dont know bout the whole Munroe thing but I will def be watching with interest to see who they appoint.

Ps. If Munroe is appointed I will set up a thread like Ziggys to let everyone know where it was said first.

God I love these conspiracy theories

Do you think McEniff had was on the Grassy knoll in Dallas when JFK was shot?

[irunthev]

McEniff set up the whole Grassy Knoll theory to cover the fact that he was in the room above where Oswald was in the Depository, along with Marilyn Munroe (see the link now  ) To this day he claims it was Munroe who did the shooting and not him. He merely called the police to tell them where Oswald was and then spread the rumour about the grassy knoll. BTW Munroe's untimely departure from this planet isn't unrelated to the JFK incident (you can join the dots there) although significantly at the time of their respective deaths, neither JFK or Munroe had expressed any desire to manage the Donegal senior footnball team..

[billy the kid]

 

I like your work there lad.  very good

Was in bundoran last weekend for the duelling banjoe festival and there was an old woman in a white dress running around the Hollyrood Hotel pulling up her skirt singing happy birthday Mr President........................I wonder.

[time ticking away]

Is Marilyn Munroe related to Ray Munroe.

Irunthev - I always knew you shoulda been a writer with your plots and sub plots. I agree with you though.
Maybe Brid could act as a selector for the Carrick area

[RMDrive]

Where do you stand on the whole thing RMD?

Don't really know TBH. Firstly I am absolutely disgusted at the way that Brian McIvor was treated. No one deserves to be ambushed at a meeting as it seems he was. Seemingly he fielded a lot of tough questions for a good while before he packed it in. He deserves a lot of credit for having the balls to do this and I believe he conducted himself with great dignity throughout (although I would expect nothing else from the man). He always came across as a sound man who loved his football and gained great respect from the players.

Why did the clubs feel that the only way for them to get their point across was in this way? Are there no other structures for them to make representations to the county board? Did they put their grievances to the board before Monday's meeting? The county board seems to be caught by surprise at the meeting. How could this be the case when it appears that the dogs on the street knew that a motion of no confidence was going to be put forward? LOL more questions than answers there I know!

But when people raise questions about the performance of the team then they have a point. Heading to Ballybofey to play a Championship game used to be a real challenge for opposing teams whereas I don't think too many teams would fear heading there now. I was most disappointed with the Roscommon game. We should have used that as a chance to run up a head of steam and head into the next round with some good momentum. Instead we got a disjointed and tactically inept performance. While the team did fairly well against Monaghan, a miss is as good as a mile. We cannot accept moral victories and my (obviously biased) opinion is that we have the footballing ability to challenge any team in Ireland. There has been a lack of progress in the last few years and I don't know if next year would have been any different with Brian in charge.

Every county wrestles with the outside/inside question. I don't think Donegal is any more insular that any other county in this regard. You are always trying to strike the balance between the benefit of having intimate knowledge of the local GAA scene and being remote enough from it to avoid being influenced by politics. I thought that McIvor was doing a good job of this.

The time to think about new managers will come but for now the bottom line for me is that Brian McIvor was treated poorly by our county and he didn't deserve that. I would like to thank him for all he has done for football in Donegal and especially for bringing us the league title last year (I know it's only the league but to hear the Hills of Donegal pumping out in Croker was something special!!). I hope that this won't colour his opinion of us and I know that (if he wants it) he will soon be back in IC management and moving on to bigger and better things. The vast majority of Donegal people I know have nothing but respect and admiration for him and will wish him all the best.

So, as I said at the start, I don't really know what to make of it. If next year is a disaster then it will be because we got rid of Brian. If it's not ... well I'll be happy if its not 

[irunthev]

I like your work there lad.  very good

Was in bundoran last weekend for the duelling banjoe festival and there was an old woman in a white dress running around the Hollyrood Hotel pulling up her skirt singing happy birthday Mr President........................I wonder.

The person you saw in the Holyrood wasn't actually the aforementioned auntie of the perspective new Donegal manger but in fact a neighbour of John Joe Doherty's from Carrick who was merely keeping tabs on the movements of McEniff to assist JJ's pursuit of the Donegal job. The person in question was none other than Bernard McHugh, he of Blind Date fame. The Marilyn costume was designed to try and freak McEniff out and send a message to him that some people are well aware of exactly where the Donegal hotelier was on 22 November 1963.
His high pitched rendition of "Happy Birthday Mr President" is due entirely to the fact that he is currently receiving signing lessons from none other than Daniel O'Donnell himself and had nothing to do with the snug fit of his underpants (as demonstrated below).
As a foot note, McHugh (Bernard that is) has asked for it to be known that despite his links to JJ and his quest for the Donegal job, Bernard does not wish to be considered for a role as selector just as the moment as he has already committed himself to the Roscommon team for the upcoming season. (Pic of his interview for the role below).