UK General Election 2017

Started by Eamonnca1, April 18, 2017, 07:09:42 PM

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seafoid

Quote from: Minder on May 28, 2017, 10:12:42 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 28, 2017, 10:05:02 AM
Abbot being speared by Marr and he is hardly the sharpest.

Just saw this tweet from Tim Shipman, political editor of Sunday Times -

"Has a less qualified individual ever been put forward for one of the four great offices of state than Diane Abbott?"
George Osborne
Norman Lamont
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

Corbyn at 11:47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_MvJm-dAd8

He is more comfortable talking to people than May is

The Tories have an awful problem with their economic ideas

"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Minder

Quote from: seafoid on May 28, 2017, 10:37:37 AM
Corbyn at 11:47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_MvJm-dAd8

He is more comfortable talking to people than May is

The Tories have an awful problem with their economic ideas

Like unemployment being at lowest rate for 40yrs? That's enough to get you re-elected
"When it's too tough for them, it's just right for us"

seafoid

Quote from: Minder on May 28, 2017, 12:09:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 28, 2017, 10:37:37 AM
Corbyn at 11:47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_MvJm-dAd8

He is more comfortable talking to people than May is

The Tories have an awful problem with their economic ideas

Like unemployment being at lowest rate for 40yrs? That's enough to get you re-elected
I don't agree. Wages are 15% lower than in 2008. Most of the new jobs are minimum wage or gig. People are not stupid.
The Tories have tried to load costs onto the people via National Insurance and Social Care and been forced into U turns
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

playwiththewind1st

Most people in work are less well off. 1%, or less, pay rises over many years. Pension contributions have been increased & will produce inferior benefits up the line. Contracted out National Insurance was abolished, leading to increased contributions. With inflation now rampant again, very few are going to do well out of all this, it's easy to see.

Hardy

You would think that at this stage, after 30+ years of wage stagnation and the diversion of profits to capital instead of incomes, economists, policy makers and even the 1% themselves would have concluded that, in order for growth to resume, people have to be able to afford to buy stuff.

They continually turn to the mass of the population for bailouts when the cycle dips. That's mainly, of course, because they can, but also because they (and we) understand that only the mass of the population has the economic ... well, mass to fund recovery. They continue to fail to understand that this fact applies also to funding growth - both growth and recovery are impossible without the mass of the population having buying power.

Avondhu star

Quote from: playwiththewind1st on May 28, 2017, 01:16:39 PM
Most people in work are less well off. 1%, or less, pay rises over many years. Pension contributions have been increased & will produce inferior benefits up the line. Contracted out National Insurance was abolished, leading to increased contributions. With inflation now rampant again, very few are going to do well out of all this, it's easy to see.

What do you expect? Britain is competing with low wage economies in the Far East and following Brexit will need to find new markets for their over priced  goods. It wasnt all Tories that voted for Brexit. Some of the highest votes for it were in staunch Labour areas. Turkeys voting for Christmas comes to mind
Lee Harvey Oswald , your country needs you

playwiththewind1st

It's highly possible that they weren't taking economic factors or their own prospects of prosperity, or otherwise, into account, when they were voting. If Labour areas voted for Brexit, then the one primary factor that springs to mind was "uncontrolled immigration" as they would have viewed it.

seafoid

Quote from: Avondhu star on May 28, 2017, 01:50:17 PM
Quote from: playwiththewind1st on May 28, 2017, 01:16:39 PM
Most people in work are less well off. 1%, or less, pay rises over many years. Pension contributions have been increased & will produce inferior benefits up the line. Contracted out National Insurance was abolished, leading to increased contributions. With inflation now rampant again, very few are going to do well out of all this, it's easy to see.

What do you expect? Britain is competing with low wage economies in the Far East and following Brexit will need to find new markets for their over priced  goods. It wasnt all Tories that voted for Brexit. Some of the highest votes for it were in staunch Labour areas. Turkeys voting for Christmas comes to mind
People were lied to. I haven't seen the NHS getting £350m a week
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

armaghniac

The Labour areas with high Brexit votes had feck all immigration in most cases, as there wasn't much reason to move there.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

BennyCake

Quote from: seafoid on May 28, 2017, 02:12:46 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on May 28, 2017, 01:50:17 PM
Quote from: playwiththewind1st on May 28, 2017, 01:16:39 PM
Most people in work are less well off. 1%, or less, pay rises over many years. Pension contributions have been increased & will produce inferior benefits up the line. Contracted out National Insurance was abolished, leading to increased contributions. With inflation now rampant again, very few are going to do well out of all this, it's easy to see.

What do you expect? Britain is competing with low wage economies in the Far East and following Brexit will need to find new markets for their over priced  goods. It wasnt all Tories that voted for Brexit. Some of the highest votes for it were in staunch Labour areas. Turkeys voting for Christmas comes to mind
People were lied to. I haven't seen the NHS getting £350m a week

People are lied to everyday. But it's only fake news when a result goes against the elitist agenda.

armaghniac

Goes against common sense, more like.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

BennyCake

Quote from: armaghniac on May 28, 2017, 02:42:10 PM
Goes against common sense, more like.

Says who? The media? The fact is we don't know what the consequences or benefits of Brexit are yet. Either way, the ordinary Joe wouldn't have come out of it good, anyway.

armaghniac

If we don't what the benefits of Brexit are, why is anyone bothering with it?
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

BennyCake

Quote from: armaghniac on May 28, 2017, 03:12:59 PM
If we don't what the benefits of Brexit are, why is anyone bothering with it?

Well, joining the EU had little benefits for ordinary folk. Fishing, manufacturing, influx of cheap labour, strain on the services/nhs/housing etc has screwed the place. That's why people voted out.