Would you be in favour of a second tier?

Started by sligoman2, June 26, 2017, 12:34:12 PM

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Would you be in favour of an alternative championship for Div 3 and 4 with winners and runners up rejoining the other championship.

Yes
136 (52.7%)
No
104 (40.3%)
Undecided
18 (7%)

Total Members Voted: 258

Keyser soze

Quote from: lenny on June 24, 2019, 07:49:47 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 23, 2019, 08:21:28 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 23, 2019, 05:34:01 PM
Put Dublin in Tier 1.

Everyone else in tier 2.

Why not just throw Dublin out of the championship? It would be a great competition then.

Every division 4 team out of the championship by 23rd june. They'd have all been out 2 weeks ago if they hadn't had decent draws. Only 3 division 3 sides left and they're going out next weekend. The championship really is an irrelevance to those sides, they've nothing to play for. Why not tier the competition so that teams can develop by having more meaningful games. On a side note I saw leitrim hurlers on the sunday game, that has to be a first.

If all the teams really develop under the tiering system with all these meaningful games will they all then get into tier one?


Rossfan

Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Keyser soze

#887
Quote from: lenny on June 24, 2019, 07:49:47 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 23, 2019, 08:21:28 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 23, 2019, 05:34:01 PM
Put Dublin in Tier 1.

Everyone else in tier 2.

Why not just throw Dublin out of the championship? It would be a great competition then.

Every division 4 team out of the championship by 23rd june. They'd have all been out 2 weeks ago if they hadn't had decent draws. Only 3 division 3 sides left and they're going out next weekend. The championship really is an irrelevance to those sides, they've nothing to play for. Why not tier the competition so that teams can develop by having more meaningful games. On a side note I saw leitrim hurlers on the sunday game, that has to be a first.

What do you suggest? That all teams should get staying in the championship until the end of August? No matter how shit they are?


lenny

Quote from: Keyser soze on June 24, 2019, 09:24:15 AM
Quote from: lenny on June 24, 2019, 07:49:47 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 23, 2019, 08:21:28 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 23, 2019, 05:34:01 PM
Put Dublin in Tier 1.

Everyone else in tier 2.

Why not just throw Dublin out of the championship? It would be a great competition then.

Every division 4 team out of the championship by 23rd june. They'd have all been out 2 weeks ago if they hadn't had decent draws. Only 3 division 3 sides left and they're going out next weekend. The championship really is an irrelevance to those sides, they've nothing to play for. Why not tier the competition so that teams can develop by having more meaningful games. On a side note I saw leitrim hurlers on the sunday game, that has to be a first.

If all the teams really develop under the tiering system with all these meaningful games will they all then get into tier one?

They all will have the opportunity to get into tier 1. No point going up a level until you're ready for the next tier.

Keyser soze

Quote from: lenny on June 25, 2019, 09:29:51 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 24, 2019, 09:24:15 AM
Quote from: lenny on June 24, 2019, 07:49:47 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 23, 2019, 08:21:28 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 23, 2019, 05:34:01 PM
Put Dublin in Tier 1.

Everyone else in tier 2.

Why not just throw Dublin out of the championship? It would be a great competition then.

Every division 4 team out of the championship by 23rd june. They'd have all been out 2 weeks ago if they hadn't had decent draws. Only 3 division 3 sides left and they're going out next weekend. The championship really is an irrelevance to those sides, they've nothing to play for. Why not tier the competition so that teams can develop by having more meaningful games. On a side note I saw leitrim hurlers on the sunday game, that has to be a first.

If all the teams really develop under the tiering system with all these meaningful games will they all then get into tier one?

They all will have the opportunity to get into tier 1. No point going up a level until you're ready for the next tier.

Well is there is a provision for Tier 1 to grow to accomodate these developing teams?


lenny

Quote from: Keyser soze on June 25, 2019, 09:29:27 AM
Quote from: lenny on June 24, 2019, 07:49:47 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 23, 2019, 08:21:28 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 23, 2019, 05:34:01 PM
Put Dublin in Tier 1.

Everyone else in tier 2.

Why not just throw Dublin out of the championship? It would be a great competition then.

Every division 4 team out of the championship by 23rd june. They'd have all been out 2 weeks ago if they hadn't had decent draws. Only 3 division 3 sides left and they're going out next weekend. The championship really is an irrelevance to those sides, they've nothing to play for. Why not tier the competition so that teams can develop by having more meaningful games. On a side note I saw leitrim hurlers on the sunday game, that has to be a first.

What do you suggest? That all teams should get staying into the championship until the end of August? No matter how shit they are?

If teams are playing at their appropriate level they should be getting a run of games  in the summer. I believe in 3 tiers each of which would have 2 groups of 5/6 teams. This gives everyone 4 or 5 championship matches against teams of a similar level of ability. Top 2 in each group go into semi finals. Each championship could be run off in 2 months. That makes it easy to schedule and plan for. The only unknown for every county/player/supporter is if your team will make the semi finals. That leaves lots of time for club football. Tier 3 could be run off in May and June. Tier 2 could be run off in June and July. Tier 1 could take place in July and August. Small bit of overlap between them. Each Tier gets its own period and therefore would get top media billing at that time. Lots of county football on tv and each tier featured.

Keyser soze


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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48741998

Why can't we extend this to football as well? Tell the Leitrim Hurlers that they didn't win an All Ireland.

Keyser soze

Quote from: lenny on June 25, 2019, 09:40:58 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 25, 2019, 09:29:27 AM
Quote from: lenny on June 24, 2019, 07:49:47 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 23, 2019, 08:21:28 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 23, 2019, 05:34:01 PM
Put Dublin in Tier 1.

Everyone else in tier 2.

Why not just throw Dublin out of the championship? It would be a great competition then.

Every division 4 team out of the championship by 23rd june. They'd have all been out 2 weeks ago if they hadn't had decent draws. Only 3 division 3 sides left and they're going out next weekend. The championship really is an irrelevance to those sides, they've nothing to play for. Why not tier the competition so that teams can develop by having more meaningful games. On a side note I saw leitrim hurlers on the sunday game, that has to be a first.

What do you suggest? That all teams should get staying into the championship until the end of August? No matter how shit they are?

If teams are playing at their appropriate level they should be getting a run of games  in the summer. Why should they, if they are no good they should be knocked out and sent packing. I believe in 3 tiers each of which would have 2 groups of 5/6 teams. This gives everyone 4 or 5 championship matches against teams of a similar level of ability. That isn't a championship fella, what you have described is a league! Top 2 in each group go into semi finals. Each championship could be run off in 2 months. That makes it easy to schedule and plan for. The only unknown for every county/player/supporter is if your team will make the semi finals. That leaves lots of time for club football. Tier 3 could be run off in May and June. Tier 2 could be run off in June and July. Tier 1 could take place in July and August. Small bit of overlap between them. Each Tier gets its own period and therefore would get top media billing at that time. Lots of county football on tv and each tier featured. The remainder of this bundle of shit is not even worthy of comment.

JoG2

Quote from: five points on June 25, 2019, 09:40:23 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 25, 2019, 09:22:13 AM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/secondtier-proposal-suggests-july-finish-to-competition-38250359.html
The Tommy Murphy Cup Mark II.

"Some county managers and players had expressed hope that they could still enter the qualifiers and if they didn't progress past the second round could then turn their attention to a second-tier competition.

But this has been knocked on the head and will not be on a Central Council or subsequently Special Congress agenda."

The bit in bold is what I would have supported 100%. All counties get to compete in their provincial championships, and get a run in the qualifiers (rounds 1 and 2) before dropping down to tier 2. And, having the tier 2 finals on the same day (grand finals extravaganza kind of deal) along with the minors. CP holds 82k. Introduce some kind of loyalty scheme and the stadium should be able to hold those who travel to most games.

No option of dropping into qualifiers and holding the finals in July is a real kicker for me. Because in a particular year, certain counties are not able to compete in tier 1, they shouldn't be treated as 2nd class citizens, but afforded the same time, respect and exposure as those pushing for Sam.

And on and on we go...must work out how I'm gonna watch the 2 x Rupert Murdoch games this weekend.

Keyser soze

#896
Quote from: JoG2 on June 25, 2019, 09:57:11 AM
Quote from: five points on June 25, 2019, 09:40:23 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 25, 2019, 09:22:13 AM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/secondtier-proposal-suggests-july-finish-to-competition-38250359.html
The Tommy Murphy Cup Mark II.

"Some county managers and players had expressed hope that they could still enter the qualifiers and if they didn't progress past the second round could then turn their attention to a second-tier competition.

But this has been knocked on the head and will not be on a Central Council or subsequently Special Congress agenda."

The bit in bold is what I would have supported 100%. All counties get to compete in their provincial championships, and get a run in the qualifiers (rounds 1 and 2) before dropping down to tier 2. And, having the tier 2 finals on the same day (grand finals extravaganza kind of deal) along with the minors. CP holds 82k. Introduce some kind of loyalty scheme and the stadium should be able to hold those who travel to most games.

No option of dropping into qualifiers and holding the finals in July is a real kicker for me. Because in a particular year, certain counties are not able to compete in tier 1, they shouldn't be treated as 2nd class citizens, but afforded the same time, respect and exposure as those pushing for Sam.

And on and on we go...must work out how I'm gonna watch the 2 x Rupert Murdoch games this weekend.

Of course they should be treated like second class citizens!!!

If you are a crap football team you need to get treated like crap, stuffed and sent home, not spend an interminable summer playing other dogshit teams in some Mickey Mouse competition than no supporter will bother their hole going to and that no player will put in a single ounce's worth of effort to compete in. 


Rossfan

Leitrim hurlers burst themselves with effort, training etc and were delighted to play in and win the bottom tier of hurling.
The Sligo bucks looked fairly happy winning the Rackard Cup.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

five points

Quote from: Rossfan on June 25, 2019, 10:51:32 AM
Leitrim hurlers burst themselves with effort, training etc and were delighted to play in and win the bottom tier of hurling.
The Sligo bucks looked fairly happy winning the Rackard Cup.

The fact that someone will end up winning the thing is scant justification on its own terms for any proposed new competition. Maybe make it like the handball where there are so many All Ireland competitions that we've lost count.

lenny

Quote from: Keyser soze on June 25, 2019, 10:12:03 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 25, 2019, 09:57:11 AM
Quote from: five points on June 25, 2019, 09:40:23 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 25, 2019, 09:22:13 AM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/secondtier-proposal-suggests-july-finish-to-competition-38250359.html
The Tommy Murphy Cup Mark II.

"Some county managers and players had expressed hope that they could still enter the qualifiers and if they didn't progress past the second round could then turn their attention to a second-tier competition.

But this has been knocked on the head and will not be on a Central Council or subsequently Special Congress agenda."

The bit in bold is what I would have supported 100%. All counties get to compete in their provincial championships, and get a run in the qualifiers (rounds 1 and 2) before dropping down to tier 2. And, having the tier 2 finals on the same day (grand finals extravaganza kind of deal) along with the minors. CP holds 82k. Introduce some kind of loyalty scheme and the stadium should be able to hold those who travel to most games.

No option of dropping into qualifiers and holding the finals in July is a real kicker for me. Because in a particular year, certain counties are not able to compete in tier 1, they shouldn't be treated as 2nd class citizens, but afforded the same time, respect and exposure as those pushing for Sam.

And on and on we go...must work out how I'm gonna watch the 2 x Rupert Murdoch games this weekend.

Of course they should be treated like second class citizens!!!

If you are a crap football team you need to get treated like crap, stuffed and sent home, not spend an interminable summer playing other dogshit teams in some Mickey Mouse competition than no supporter will bother their hole going to and that no player will put in a single ounce's worth of effort to compete in.

Intermediate and junior club players put in a huge amount of effort to win championships. Their supporters follow them loyally. They are not good enough to be in senior but it doesn't mean they can't have something they can enter with genuine hope of winning. Why can that not work at county level. It works well at county hurling, county camogie and ladies football. The only strand of gaa where there is no tiering is county football and it is completely illogical.