Brexit.

Started by T Fearon, November 01, 2015, 06:04:06 PM

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Harold Disgracey

The odious Esther McVey has now also resigned. What a shitshow!

Main Street

Hilary Benn labour party was interviewed by our Pat on Newstalk,  suggested that the solution is for Britain to have a Norway like deal with the EU  but conveniently leaving  the elephant in the room out of the discussion, Norway is a member country of the EEA  and all member countries of the EEA have to comply with open movement in the EU/EEA zone, along with complying with a wide range of EU economic and legal regulations. But would have control of fishing.
There is no version of a Brexit treaty that would gain a majority in parliament.
What's likely to happen now?
parliament rejects the Brexit plan? Theresa May resigns?  'blood, blood and fire' in the Conservative party?  and eventually a general election. 

Rossfan

If there is a Westminster GE can SF and SDLP please put aside their differences and not run against each other in South and North Belfast?
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

JoG2

Quote from: seafoid on November 15, 2018, 10:00:41 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 15, 2018, 09:52:07 AM
The Brexit minister Raab has resigned.
It is rather alarming that he is using NI as an excuse, rather than his own stupidity.

The Tory party is going to tear itself apart

Any word from David Cameron?

naka

Quote from: Rossfan on November 15, 2018, 10:47:41 AM
If there is a Westminster GE can SF and SDLP please put aside their differences and not run against each other in South and North Belfast?
Really think the shinners alliance and sdlp need to put remain candidates in north Belfast, south Belfast, and close our Fermanagh as well.
It's essential that the Dup 10 seats are reduced to send a signal.

trailer

Quote from: Rossfan on November 15, 2018, 10:47:41 AM
If there is a Westminster GE can SF and SDLP please put aside their differences and not run against each other in South and North Belfast?

I think electoral pacts don't help.
Anyway, SF have their tails up from their last electoral success and they've spent years registering voters so unlikely to agree a pact.

weareros

Are we looking at a situation now where it fails to get thru parliament, UK crashes out with no deal, automatic hard border and DUP claiming victory - a futile victory, but in their small minds as glorious as the battle of the Boyne all over again, with Dublin and Brussels reeling.

mouview

Quote from: seafoid on November 15, 2018, 10:00:41 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 15, 2018, 09:52:07 AM
The Brexit minister Raab has resigned.
It is rather alarming that he is using NI as an excuse, rather than his own stupidity.

The Tory party is going to tear itself apart

But what's going to fill the vacuum? Impossible to see it being Labour under Corbyn. Will a new centre-right group emerge?

seafoid

Quote from: mouview on November 15, 2018, 11:39:27 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 15, 2018, 10:00:41 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 15, 2018, 09:52:07 AM
The Brexit minister Raab has resigned.
It is rather alarming that he is using NI as an excuse, rather than his own stupidity.

The Tory party is going to tear itself apart

But what's going to fill the vacuum? Impossible to see it being Labour under Corbyn. Will a new centre-right group emerge?
They have to destroy the Eurosceptics but God knows how long that will take. The party also has too many mediocrities with inflated views of themselves.
It reminds me of Galway hurling 1995-2011
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

naka

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Quote from: trailer on November 15, 2018, 11:22:47 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 15, 2018, 10:47:41 AM
If there is a Westminster GE can SF and SDLP please put aside their differences and not run against each other in South and North Belfast?

I think electoral pacts don't help.
Anyway, SF have their tails up from their last electoral success and they've spent years registering voters so unlikely to agree a pact.
Trailer not being divisive but their vote fell in the general elections and the dup moved to 10 seats,
The shinners need to assist Hermin in north down because she is a clear remainer ( if I recall she was originally a lecturer in European law in Queens in the late 80s)
South Belfast went to little, Robinson did long , north Belfast remained with Dodds,
If the 3 remainer  parties stepped out for 3 neutral candidates it would be seen as doing a great service to their community .

armaghniac

Quote from: naka on November 15, 2018, 12:06:23 PM
If the 3 remainer  parties stepped out for 3 neutral candidates it would be seen as doing a great service to their community .

They should support an anti Brexit candidate from the business community so that no party really get an advantage from standing aside.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

seafoid

Quote from: mouview on November 15, 2018, 11:39:27 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 15, 2018, 10:00:41 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 15, 2018, 09:52:07 AM
The Brexit minister Raab has resigned.
It is rather alarming that he is using NI as an excuse, rather than his own stupidity.

The Tory party is going to tear itself apart

But what's going to fill the vacuum? Impossible to see it being Labour under Corbyn. Will a new centre-right group emerge?

According to Luciana Berger MP ,a new poll suggests 63% want a second vote. Corbyn doesn't. If he gets in the way he might be shafted. Labour would walk a GE.

Brexit as a process is like the « new GAA manager for a struggling county « 
model. New hope, some of it unrealistic builds up. There might be an O Byrne cup win. Eventually the model meets reality. A hammering in Croke Park.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

RedHand88

Michael Gove being offered Defence against the dark arts.... sorry, Brexit secretary job.

seafoid

Say it isn't passed by parliament at the first attempt. They have to figure out a way forward. It is a country of 66 million people. They may not need Brexit but they do need a viable plan.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid


@DAaronovitch
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Nov 14
It never ceases to amaze me that the voters of Northern Ireland, who voted to Remain in 2016, are represented either by the Total War Brexiteers of the DUP or the Absentee-on-purpose-and-therefore-useless Sinn Fein. As Trump would say, sad.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU