So far I've heard of Ódhran Mac Néilís and 4 lads from Longford.
Ros already without Ciaráin Murtagh, Cathal Compton and No all McInerney since start of the season.
It used to be that some lads gave the NFL a miss but the Championship..... :o
This is possibly me second guessing a little but having read a bit round Ódhran Mac Néilís I think he is struggling a bit with the death of that fella who I think was a friend in Gaoth Dobhair so spending a load of time playing football likely last thing on his mind. There's at least one antrim one dropped out and then O"Neill for Tyrone.
O'Neill from Tyrone was well down the list of forwards and knew he wouldn't get his game so probably thought he'd be better spending a summer in America. Young Mark Bradley though will be badly missed as I think he's USA bound too or is he working somewhere else?
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 16, 2019, 04:47:08 PM
O'Neill from Tyrone was well down the list of forwards and knew he wouldn't get his game so probably thought he'd be better spending a summer in America. Young Mark Bradley though will be badly missed as I think he's USA bound too or is he working somewhere else?
Studying in Liverpool this year & heading to the states for the summer
Kildare
Dan Flynn still out
Niall Kelly back from his traveling still not confirmed he will be back
Aaron Masterson has dropped out
James Murray has dropped out
Masterson was last years All-Ireland u20 winning captain. We don't have the depth to lose Dan Flynn, in my opinion the best full forward in the country last year, Niall Kelly and Masterson, one of the best young midfielders in the country.
I don't blame them, zero craic playing inter-county football.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 18, 2019, 10:42:02 AM
Kildare
Dan Flynn still out
Niall Kelly back from his traveling still not confirmed he will be back
Aaron Masterson has dropped out
James Murray has dropped out
Masterson was last years All-Ireland u20 winning captain. We don't have the depth to lose Dan Flynn, in my opinion the best full forward in the country last year, Niall Kelly and Masterson, one of the best young midfielders in the country.
I don't blame them, zero craic playing inter-county football.
Bit of a generalisation there. Plenty of lads love being involved with the county. A lot of the enjoyment will come from winning big games and sense of achievement. If the manager has any sense he'll let them enjoy the good days with a few beers. Some managers are too serious no doubt but there's still plenty of enjoyment from playing your sport at the top level and pulling on your county jersey no doubt.
Martin O'Reilly now also gone from Donegal. That's Carroll, MacNiallais, Mark McHugh, Martin McElhinney, Stephen McBrearty, Darrach O'Connor and O'Reilly who have opted out for Donegal this year. I'd imagine a few of the squad may not rate Bonner that highly.
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Kildare
Dan Flynn still out
Niall Kelly back from his traveling still not confirmed he will be back
Aaron Masterson has dropped out
James Murray has dropped out
Masterson was last years All-Ireland u20 winning captain. We don't have the depth to lose Dan Flynn, in my opinion the best full forward in the country last year, Niall Kelly and Masterson, one of the best young midfielders in the country.
I don't blame them, zero craic playing inter-county football.
Bit of a generalisation there. Plenty of lads love being involved with the county. A lot of the enjoyment will come from winning big games and sense of achievement. If the manager has any sense he'll let them enjoy the good days with a few beers. Some managers are too serious no doubt but there's still plenty of enjoyment from playing your sport at the top level and pulling on your county jersey no doubt.
They have been institutionalised from a young age. It's all they know. The penny is already dropping for lots of players. The sacrifice for the have-nots is too much to try and keep up with the haves. There's a reason why a lot of players sooner play with their clubs than their county!
Michael McEvoy, Niall Toner & Declan Hughes away from the Derry panel now as they are playing football in the States this summer
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Kildare
Dan Flynn still out
Niall Kelly back from his traveling still not confirmed he will be back
Aaron Masterson has dropped out
James Murray has dropped out
Masterson was last years All-Ireland u20 winning captain. We don't have the depth to lose Dan Flynn, in my opinion the best full forward in the country last year, Niall Kelly and Masterson, one of the best young midfielders in the country.
I don't blame them, zero craic playing inter-county football.
Bit of a generalisation there. Plenty of lads love being involved with the county. A lot of the enjoyment will come from winning big games and sense of achievement. If the manager has any sense he'll let them enjoy the good days with a few beers. Some managers are too serious no doubt but there's still plenty of enjoyment from playing your sport at the top level and pulling on your county jersey no doubt.
They have been institutionalised from a young age. It's all they know. The penny is already dropping for lots of players. The sacrifice for the have-nots is too much to try and keep up with the haves. There's a reason why a lot of players sooner play with their clubs than their county!
What is so different to playing county football than playing any sport to a decent level? There is plenty of lads willing to do it and I'm sure they enjoy the craic of being part of a team and enjoy playing the game.
I'd imagine they don't actually train that more often as a team than a club rugby player does for example. In Tyrone the county team train on the pitch on a Tuesday and Thursday and have gym on a Wednesday then have a game or train once at the weekend. Would that really be that different to any other sport?
A lot of the complaining seems to come from people not involved.
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Kildare
Dan Flynn still out
Niall Kelly back from his traveling still not confirmed he will be back
Aaron Masterson has dropped out
James Murray has dropped out
Masterson was last years All-Ireland u20 winning captain. We don't have the depth to lose Dan Flynn, in my opinion the best full forward in the country last year, Niall Kelly and Masterson, one of the best young midfielders in the country.
I don't blame them, zero craic playing inter-county football.
Bit of a generalisation there. Plenty of lads love being involved with the county. A lot of the enjoyment will come from winning big games and sense of achievement. If the manager has any sense he'll let them enjoy the good days with a few beers. Some managers are too serious no doubt but there's still plenty of enjoyment from playing your sport at the top level and pulling on your county jersey no doubt.
They have been institutionalised from a young age. It's all they know. The penny is already dropping for lots of players. The sacrifice for the have-nots is too much to try and keep up with the haves. There's a reason why a lot of players sooner play with their clubs than their county!
And what exactly does institutionalised mean in relation to young gaa players? Are you seriously trying to say they are brainwashed into training? It's great that there is lads not playing that can read the young lads minds and can tell from the outside whether they enjoy something they give up their time to do.
I never said brain washed. Young players who come from development squads are conditioned to believe that training 4/5 times a week is normal, they are told that playing for their county is an honour and a privilege. The club are proud of you, the parish is proud of you, blah! f**king blah! They don't know any different but as the penny drops they drop.
My son will play club football, I wouldn't be encouraging him to play inter-county. Too much of a sacrifice for an amateur sport.
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Kildare
Dan Flynn still out
Niall Kelly back from his traveling still not confirmed he will be back
Aaron Masterson has dropped out
James Murray has dropped out
Masterson was last years All-Ireland u20 winning captain. We don't have the depth to lose Dan Flynn, in my opinion the best full forward in the country last year, Niall Kelly and Masterson, one of the best young midfielders in the country.
I don't blame them, zero craic playing inter-county football.
Bit of a generalisation there. Plenty of lads love being involved with the county. A lot of the enjoyment will come from winning big games and sense of achievement. If the manager has any sense he'll let them enjoy the good days with a few beers. Some managers are too serious no doubt but there's still plenty of enjoyment from playing your sport at the top level and pulling on your county jersey no doubt.
They have been institutionalised from a young age. It's all they know. The penny is already dropping for lots of players. The sacrifice for the have-nots is too much to try and keep up with the haves. There's a reason why a lot of players sooner play with their clubs than their county!
What is so different to playing county football than playing any sport to a decent level? There is plenty of lads willing to do it and I'm sure they enjoy the craic of being part of a team and enjoy playing the game.
I'd imagine they don't actually train that more often as a team than a club rugby player does for example. In Tyrone the county team train on the pitch on a Tuesday and Thursday and have gym on a Wednesday then have a game or train once at the weekend. Would that really be that different to any other sport?
A lot of the complaining seems to come from people not involved.
I know it's a one off case but I was fairly recently talking to an ex county footballer and he told me if he was to do it again he wouldn't have played county football. He said there Is zero per cent fun in it, said the only buzz was the couple of weeks before the championship games. Said there was no element of enjoyment what so ever. He said he'd have stuck at club football and enjoyed pints after wins, instead of recovery sessions, food & ice baths after a win playing county football.
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Kildare
Dan Flynn still out
Niall Kelly back from his traveling still not confirmed he will be back
Aaron Masterson has dropped out
James Murray has dropped out
Masterson was last years All-Ireland u20 winning captain. We don't have the depth to lose Dan Flynn, in my opinion the best full forward in the country last year, Niall Kelly and Masterson, one of the best young midfielders in the country.
I don't blame them, zero craic playing inter-county football.
Bit of a generalisation there. Plenty of lads love being involved with the county. A lot of the enjoyment will come from winning big games and sense of achievement. If the manager has any sense he'll let them enjoy the good days with a few beers. Some managers are too serious no doubt but there's still plenty of enjoyment from playing your sport at the top level and pulling on your county jersey no doubt.
They have been institutionalised from a young age. It's all they know. The penny is already dropping for lots of players. The sacrifice for the have-nots is too much to try and keep up with the haves. There's a reason why a lot of players sooner play with their clubs than their county!
What is so different to playing county football than playing any sport to a decent level? There is plenty of lads willing to do it and I'm sure they enjoy the craic of being part of a team and enjoy playing the game.
I'd imagine they don't actually train that more often as a team than a club rugby player does for example. In Tyrone the county team train on the pitch on a Tuesday and Thursday and have gym on a Wednesday then have a game or train once at the weekend. Would that really be that different to any other sport?
A lot of the complaining seems to come from people not involved.
I know it's a one off case but I was fairly recently talking to an ex county footballer and he told me if he was to do it again he wouldn't have played county football. He said there Is zero per cent fun in it, said the only buzz was the couple of weeks before the championship games. Said there was no element of enjoyment what so ever. He said he'd have stuck at club football and enjoyed pints after wins, instead of recovery sessions, food & ice baths after a win playing county football.
Anecdotal but there are hundreds of these type of stories out there.
Quote from: Angelo on April 18, 2019, 11:52:14 AM
Martin O'Reilly now also gone from Donegal. That's Carroll, MacNiallais, Mark McHugh, Martin McElhinney, Stephen McBrearty, Darrach O'Connor and O'Reilly who have opted out for Donegal this year. I'd imagine a few of the squad may not rate Bonner that highly.
In MacNiallais' case, he's just been through a very long club season and the loss of some close friends in that car accident.
The rest barely featured last year so I guess they just weren't willing to make the commitment. I'm sure if they were getting a game, things might have been different, at least for some of them.
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Kildare
Dan Flynn still out
Niall Kelly back from his traveling still not confirmed he will be back
Aaron Masterson has dropped out
James Murray has dropped out
Masterson was last years All-Ireland u20 winning captain. We don't have the depth to lose Dan Flynn, in my opinion the best full forward in the country last year, Niall Kelly and Masterson, one of the best young midfielders in the country.
I don't blame them, zero craic playing inter-county football.
Bit of a generalisation there. Plenty of lads love being involved with the county. A lot of the enjoyment will come from winning big games and sense of achievement. If the manager has any sense he'll let them enjoy the good days with a few beers. Some managers are too serious no doubt but there's still plenty of enjoyment from playing your sport at the top level and pulling on your county jersey no doubt.
They have been institutionalised from a young age. It's all they know. The penny is already dropping for lots of players. The sacrifice for the have-nots is too much to try and keep up with the haves. There's a reason why a lot of players sooner play with their clubs than their county!
What is so different to playing county football than playing any sport to a decent level? There is plenty of lads willing to do it and I'm sure they enjoy the craic of being part of a team and enjoy playing the game.
I'd imagine they don't actually train that more often as a team than a club rugby player does for example. In Tyrone the county team train on the pitch on a Tuesday and Thursday and have gym on a Wednesday then have a game or train once at the weekend. Would that really be that different to any other sport?
A lot of the complaining seems to come from people not involved.
I know it's a one off case but I was fairly recently talking to an ex county footballer and he told me if he was to do it again he wouldn't have played county football. He said there Is zero per cent fun in it, said the only buzz was the couple of weeks before the championship games. Said there was no element of enjoyment what so ever. He said he'd have stuck at club football and enjoyed pints after wins, instead of recovery sessions, food & ice baths after a win playing county football.
Anecdotal but there are hundreds of these type of stories out there.
Of course there is. Not everyone is suited to top level sport. But that's not to say that the hundreds who are playing county football and hurling don't enjoy it. Plenty of young lads enjoy training and enjoy being part of high profile teams.
The problem at the minute is the gap between the top teams and the rest has widened. It's more difficult to give time to something if you can't see any glimmer of success. My own county have done reasonably well recently and as a result there isn't really anyone missing that would be a first team player other than Mark Bradley who was working away this year.
The whole structure of the county season needs looked at to make the games more competitive and worth while.
And what about other sports? What would division one club rugby players be training in the week? I wouldn't have great knowledge of it but I was under the impression they were training at least 4/5 times a week (not all collectively)?
Clubs should just play games - a double round league of 12 games - 24 matches a season.
Do a preseason, then ban training after league starts!!!
Why train 7 times for 1 game: poor training/match ratio.
Why do they need all this training anyway? How fit can lads get?
There have always been players who get disillusioned with not getting enough game time. it makes headlines if it's a county player but it happens at club level too and I would imagine at the same ratio but without the same publicity. I have known lots of guys who couldn't hack the commitment of training or indeed the pressure of playing senior club football.
They were happy enough to go play soccer as there was zero pressure and no training, these players are not much use on a panel of 25 whoa re prepared to put the work in so if that's what they want wish them all the best as the group is better off without them.
Cannot believe Dinny that you have said you would discourage your son form playing county. Though might be better to wait until he's asked before making such a big decision ;)
Quote from: marty34 on April 18, 2019, 01:03:46 PM
Clubs should just play games - a double round league of 12 games - 24 matches a season.
Do a preseason, then ban training after league starts!!!
Why train 7 times for 1 game: poor training/match ratio.
Why do they need all this training anyway? How fit can lads get?
How exactly do you enforce a ban on clubs training? Come back down to planet earth will ya.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 18, 2019, 12:54:26 PM
And what about other sports? What would division one club rugby players be training in the week? I wouldn't have great knowledge of it but I was under the impression they were training at least 4/5 times a week (not all collectively)?
Most of them get paid believe it or not well reimbursed for expenses.
They would train collectively twice a week, no collective gym sessions. 18 AIL fixtures set in stone. Easy to play no other commitments bar the 2 games for the 25 who are selected to play for the Irish Club team.
Hard to enforce but why all the training?
How fit can lads gets?
Just do a preseason - then play a match every week. Then let the lads have a life by going for a beer at the week-end or going to their pal's wedding.
Why all this training from Dec -August - twice a week, in the gym once once a week (maybe more) for what??? Some lads can't kick the ball overthe bar from 30 yardsbut they could lift 2 dugouts about their head and throw it over the crossbar.
Gaa needs to get back to basics. People give out about the county scene but the club scene is just as bad. Paying outside managers £20k for a year then they piss out to a club in a neighbouring county the following year.
Quote from: Keyser soze on April 18, 2019, 01:26:11 PM
There have always been players who get disillusioned with not getting enough game time. it makes headlines if it's a county player but it happens at club level too and I would imagine at the same ratio but without the same publicity. I have known lots of guys who couldn't hack the commitment of training or indeed the pressure of playing senior club football.
They were happy enough to go play soccer as there was zero pressure and no training, these players are not much use on a panel of 25 whoa re prepared to put the work in so if that's what they want wish them all the best as the group is better off without them.
Cannot believe Dinny that you have said you would discourage your son form playing county. Though might be better to wait until he's asked before making such a big decision ;)
I said I wouldn't encourage him, I would never discourage him. For an amateur sport I think things have swung too far towards professional and the reward is not worth the sacrifice.
Dump the weaker counties into their own competition.
League becomes championship. Burst it out over 10 weeks max.
Less games but better games, less training. Not as big of commitment. Happier players.
Tis simple.
Club football should not be played on a Sunday
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And what about other sports? What would division one club rugby players be training in the week? I wouldn't have great knowledge of it but I was under the impression they were training at least 4/5 times a week (not all collectively)?
Most of them get paid believe it or not well reimbursed for expenses.
They would train collectively twice a week, no collective gym sessions. 18 AIL fixtures set in stone. Easy to play no other commitments bar the 2 games for the 25 who are selected to play for the Irish Club team.
County players are getting expenses, gear, water etc. I'd imagine a county player wouldn't be that much worse of than a club rugby player in terms of what they get back. And the top players would get to play in front of much larger crowds and have much greater exposure than a club rugby player.
Would club rugby players not be expected to do 2 or 3 gym sessions on top of the 2 training sessions a week? And pre season would start late July with the season running to the following May? I'm not seeing how it's such a better lifestyle.
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And what about other sports? What would division one club rugby players be training in the week? I wouldn't have great knowledge of it but I was under the impression they were training at least 4/5 times a week (not all collectively)?
Most of them get paid believe it or not well reimbursed for expenses.
They would train collectively twice a week, no collective gym sessions. 18 AIL fixtures set in stone. Easy to play no other commitments bar the 2 games for the 25 who are selected to play for the Irish Club team.
County players are getting expenses, gear, water etc. I'd imagine a county player wouldn't be that much worse of than a club rugby player in terms of what they get back. And the top players would get to play in front of much larger crowds and have much greater exposure than a club rugby player.
Would club rugby players not be expected to do 2 or 3 gym sessions on top of the 2 training sessions a week? And pre season would start late July with the season running to the following May? I'm not seeing how it's such a better lifestyle.
The vast majority of county players are pawns in a funding system designed to suit a handful of counties. The commitment/reward relationship is asymmetric as the Dubs go for the 5 in a row.
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Quote from: Angelo on April 18, 2019, 11:52:14 AM
Martin O'Reilly now also gone from Donegal. That's Carroll, MacNiallais, Mark McHugh, Martin McElhinney, Stephen McBrearty, Darrach O'Connor and O'Reilly who have opted out for Donegal this year. I'd imagine a few of the squad may not rate Bonner that highly.
In MacNiallais' case, he's just been through a very long club season and the loss of some close friends in that car accident.
The rest barely featured last year so I guess they just weren't willing to make the commitment. I'm sure if they were getting a game, things might have been different, at least for some of them.
Maybe so but it's hardly a good indication if they aren't willing to stay and battle for a place. A lot of those lads you'd expect on a Donegal match day 26 if all fit and available, to me that indicates a lack of faith.
The number of drop outs is often related to lack of faith in management right enough.
Players are not stupid. They see up close how much of their time will be lost just to pander to the Croke Park machine. Croke Park showed last year that they cared not for Donegal (or it's people) when they made them play away to Dublin. It's hard not to blame a young guy to spend his valuable youth travelling, Meeting people and enjoying life. Things you can only really do in the freedom years of your twenties.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 18, 2019, 03:55:45 PM
Players are not stupid. They see up close how much of their time will be lost just to pander to the Croke Park machine. Croke Park showed last year that they cared not for Donegal (or it's people) when they made them play away to Dublin. It's hard not to blame a young guy to spend his valuable youth travelling, Meeting people and enjoying life. Things you can only really do in the freedom years of your twenties.
Ros would have more of a grievance seeing they had to play Dublin in CP when it was the 'home' venue game in the 3rd round.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 18, 2019, 03:55:45 PM
Players are not stupid. They see up close how much of their time will be lost just to pander to the Croke Park machine. Croke Park showed last year that they cared not for Donegal (or it's people) when they made them play away to Dublin. It's hard not to blame a young guy to spend his valuable youth travelling, Meeting people and enjoying life. Things you can only really do in the freedom years of your twenties.
Certainly can't blame them and its becoming more common now because of the money that can be earned overseas and they can still play a bit of football with a few of their mates they go traveling with.
Pay the Players same rates as they get on the American Semi Pro Summer circuit.....
Runs for cover.........
Gavin o Brien (kerins o rahillys) has been dropped from the Kerry championship panel for playing for his club last Sunday against the wishes of the Manager and Physio.
Quote from: grassHarrow on April 20, 2019, 08:54:08 PM
Gavin o Brien (kerins o rahillys) has been dropped from the Kerry championship panel for playing for his club last Sunday against the wishes of the Manager and Physio.
So much for April being the month of the club. Unfortunately unless Kerry are punished for this happening, I can see a lot of other counties following suit.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 18, 2019, 04:43:05 PM
Pay the Players same rates as they get on the American Semi Pro Summer circuit.....
Runs for cover.........
Don't think it's that outrageous to ask for some kind of payment now to be honest. You are probably dead on the money....so to speak.
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Quote from: grassHarrow on April 20, 2019, 08:54:08 PM
Gavin o Brien (kerins o rahillys) has been dropped from the Kerry championship panel for playing for his club last Sunday against the wishes of the Manager and Physio.
So much for April being the month of the club. Unfortunately unless Kerry are punished for this happening, I can see a lot of other counties following suit.
Lots of things (pulling players from club games by county managers) like this happening in Kerry at both U17/U20/Senior.
To make matters worse the Kerry Physio is also the physio to the club Kerins O'Rahillys were playing. Interesting !!!
inter county is not meant to be about FUN at least not the happy clappy sense . it give lads a chance to play sport at the highest level and that involves a lot of hard work.
some lads are cut out for it but most don't have the bottle .
its for high achievers and they are few and far between
Quote from: Rossfan on April 18, 2019, 04:43:05 PM
Pay the Players same rates as they get on the American Semi Pro Summer circuit.....
Runs for cover.........
Fine in theory but once you start paying players they gain employment rights, their playing is regarded legally as an economic activity, and they cannot then be restrained from moving from county to county or club to club. How many GAA volunteers will continue working to support a county team made up of hired journeymen from all over the place?
I know all the arguments against full professionalism... and the biggest of all is the population or money isn't there to sustain it.
Read my (tongue on cheek) comment again.....
QuoteKildare
Dan Flynn still out
Niall Kelly back from his traveling still not confirmed he will be back
Aaron Masterson has dropped out
James Murray has dropped out
Masterson was last years All-Ireland u20 winning captain. We don't have the depth to lose Dan Flynn, in my opinion the best full forward in the country last year, Niall Kelly and Masterson, one of the best young midfielders in the country.
I don't blame them, zero craic playing inter-county football.
Is it true that O'Neill is stopping county players from playing with their clubs?
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QuoteKildare
Dan Flynn still out
Niall Kelly back from his traveling still not confirmed he will be back
Aaron Masterson has dropped out
James Murray has dropped out
Masterson was last years All-Ireland u20 winning captain. We don't have the depth to lose Dan Flynn, in my opinion the best full forward in the country last year, Niall Kelly and Masterson, one of the best young midfielders in the country.
I don't blame them, zero craic playing inter-county football.
Is it true that O'Neill is stopping county players from playing with their clubs?
Not the case going on the local papers.
Shane Murphy, Gavin O'Brien and Conor Geaney left Kerry panel.
Quote from: grassHarrow on April 20, 2019, 08:54:08 PM
Gavin o Brien (kerins o rahillys) has been dropped from the Kerry championship panel for playing for his club last Sunday against the wishes of the Manager and Physio.
There was an incident a few years back (maybe 2013?) where JH unofficially banned county players from playing in the last round robin game of the championship despite it having been agreed with the clubs. Clubs in the first set of games lost out but then word got around that Andy had played for Ballagh and most/all the rest of the players played for their clubs.
Edit: tbf, this would have been in late July or August rather than earlier in the year