Allianz Football League 2017 - Division 3

[Unlaoised]

Laois will beat Offaly and I think it will be with a bit to spare

Offaly 0-13 Laois 2-14

Sometimes reading this forum would put humps on a camel

Yes your allowed to be realistic and have an opinion but from what i know and see Creedon is doing a decent job and I expect Laois to improve as the year goes on .

We ain't as bad as you would think you could get a big surprise if you go over Sunday and we click .

If im wrong ill hold my hands up

[Tony]

Fair enough opinion unlaoised, I hope you're right! I think a dry, nice day would suit us as we have some nice players that can damage a team when the ground is good and conditions are good for football. If it's wet and windy, I really can't call it. Dog fight is my prediction.

[Junior Ex Laoistalk]

I think Laois will win this with that team. Our run of bad luck has to come to an end soon and I have every confidence in the management team that they can turn this season around, hopefully starting on Sunday.
A lot depends on the referee as up to now we have been on the wrong side of some 50/50 calls. We need to start playing as a team and stop running into dead ends, get the ball in quickly and accurately into the full forward line where we have the lads to do damage.
The league is over now for us and this really is a knockout championship game and should be treated as one by our lads. If they do then I can only see one winner and hopefully the start of a good run for us.

[T Fearon]

Tipp 6/4 to beat Armagh.Head ruling heart those odds are very tempting I have to say.If Tipp are up for this at all I can only see one outcome

[Target Man]

This is the story.

Last year we had an awful league campaign followed by a very poor championship campaign.

Lillis left and we were left in a very poor state, something that has been inevitable for years.

What did we need at that point?

A manager and background team that have experience with developing underage structures & have a proven pedigree with being successful in this area.

How long did it take for Tipp to get from poor side to good side and looking like they'll be a tier 1 side within a few years? It took a LOT of time. Years.

So, surprisingly enough we managed to get a manager and background team with proven pedigree with Tipperary.

Honestly, I would keep him even if we got relegated to div 4 & had a poor championship. It all needs time - him, his background team and other people involved with developing laois gaa underage need and deserve time.

Why? Because we need to give this years, we need to develop underage especially minor / u21 throughout the county. WHY OH WHY would you throw out a man with PROVEN pedigree in this area. Tipp are going from strength to strength and like it or not, it's a fact he had a significant influence on Tipp's turnaround.

To throw him out would be lunacy, in my opinion, ESPECIALLY given the clear as day context of players not available / injured / playing out of position / you name it.

Careful what you wish for. At least with this setup we're aiming to go in the right direction and have a holistic plan for minor / u21 / senior. It certainly beats the clueless mentality that we've witnessed for years now.

You can throw Roe in there or higgins or clancy but let's face it. That's more of the same like dempsey or lillis and not focussing on underage. We need a sea change in the county & that's what's being attempted. I can't for the life of me understand the short-sightedness of town1980 and B-abu. Granted it's only a very small portion of voices on here but I have to wonder if you're thinking about the long-term and I also have to wonder if you're seeing what's in front of your eyes : players missing from all over the park. Not up to standard ability from large numbers of our players. Players playing out of position etc. You don't seem to even acknowledge that. I'm not saying Creedon & his team are Jesus and his apostles - We're saying they have proven experience in getting a poor team across u-21 and senior into a better one over the course of years. We're a poor team weather you like it or not & we're trying to get better holistically but it needs time.

Ok, before I start this is not meant to be an anti Peter Creedon rant. I was happy enough with the appointment, he has a decent record and seems to speak a lot of sense on the game. Im not that impressed by what Ive seen so far, but we have had a lot of injuries and he deserves time to make his mark with the team. The players seem very positive about the setup, thats a huge plus imo.

Tony, you have stated a few times that Creedon has proven pedigree in developing underage. Have you got good evidence for this statement?
Below are some fact as far as I can ascertain (if there are mistakes apologies, Im not a specialist on Tipp football)

Creedon managed Tipp minors 2003-2006
He managed Tipp U21s 2006-2008.
They won no munster titles in this time.They didnt win a minor till 2011 and u21 in 2010

He managed Tipp Seniors 2012-2015. He has a decent record, generally beating teams you would expect him to beat (an underrated trait in managers), losing to better teams. Liam Kearns had better results last year, with what was a weaker panel on paper

Now Im sure he has had some positive effect on Tipp football, there are good signs such as all the teams keeping him 3+ years. But as someone posted earlier in thread its unlikely he single handedly lifted Tipp football on his own. I'm pretty sure John Evans likes to take some credit (rightly or wrongly), David Power won an all Ireland to name two I've heard of. Again I dont know all the facts he may have been hugely influential in their underage structures and been the main driver of a ll this

Hes a manager with a decent record, but I think its been inflated a bit by some.

Also wheres the evidence of this "holistic" plan for Laois football? Creedon was appointed as manager of senior and u21 teams (although the 2nd title mysteriously moved to Gary Kavanagh) with some vague line about input to minor team. Id be surprised if he has had any input into structures, I dont see much evidence of the county board driving a plan either.  If we want a holistic plan it needs to include clubs,school and county from U6 up. A director of football (preferably well paid) needs to be appointed to oversee it, imo it would be both undesireable and impractical for this to be the County senior manager.

Best of luck to the lads Sunday. I think we'll win but will be very tough in Tullamore, always hard get over line when lacking confidence after losing a few games. Dropping to division 4 would be a disaster, we would need a very impressive championship to make up for it.

[Don Draper]

Tipp 6/4 to beat Armagh.Head ruling heart those odds are very tempting I have to say.If Tipp are up for this at all I can only see one outcome

Good man

[BallyroanAbu]

This is the story.

Last year we had an awful league campaign followed by a very poor championship campaign.

Lillis left and we were left in a very poor state, something that has been inevitable for years.

What did we need at that point?

A manager and background team that have experience with developing underage structures & have a proven pedigree with being successful in this area.

How long did it take for Tipp to get from poor side to good side and looking like they'll be a tier 1 side within a few years? It took a LOT of time. Years.

So, surprisingly enough we managed to get a manager and background team with proven pedigree with Tipperary.

Honestly, I would keep him even if we got relegated to div 4 & had a poor championship. It all needs time - him, his background team and other people involved with developing laois gaa underage need and deserve time.

Why? Because we need to give this years, we need to develop underage especially minor / u21 throughout the county. WHY OH WHY would you throw out a man with PROVEN pedigree in this area. Tipp are going from strength to strength and like it or not, it's a fact he had a significant influence on Tipp's turnaround.

To throw him out would be lunacy, in my opinion, ESPECIALLY given the clear as day context of players not available / injured / playing out of position / you name it.

Careful what you wish for. At least with this setup we're aiming to go in the right direction and have a holistic plan for minor / u21 / senior. It certainly beats the clueless mentality that we've witnessed for years now.

You can throw Roe in there or higgins or clancy but let's face it. That's more of the same like dempsey or lillis and not focussing on underage. We need a sea change in the county & that's what's being attempted. I can't for the life of me understand the short-sightedness of town1980 and B-abu. Granted it's only a very small portion of voices on here but I have to wonder if you're thinking about the long-term and I also have to wonder if you're seeing what's in front of your eyes : players missing from all over the park. Not up to standard ability from large numbers of our players. Players playing out of position etc. You don't seem to even acknowledge that. I'm not saying Creedon & his team are Jesus and his apostles - We're saying they have proven experience in getting a poor team across u-21 and senior into a better one over the course of years. We're a poor team weather you like it or not & we're trying to get better holistically but it needs time.

Ok, before I start this is not meant to be an anti Peter Creedon rant. I was happy enough with the appointment, he has a decent record and seems to speak a lot of sense on the game. Im not that impressed by what Ive seen so far, but we have had a lot of injuries and he deserves time to make his mark with the team. The players seem very positive about the setup, thats a huge plus imo.

Tony, you have stated a few times that Creedon has proven pedigree in developing underage. Have you got good evidence for this statement?
Below are some fact as far as I can ascertain (if there are mistakes apologies, Im not a specialist on Tipp football)

Creedon managed Tipp minors 2003-2006
He managed Tipp U21s 2006-2008.
They won no munster titles in this time.They didnt win a minor till 2011 and u21 in 2010

He managed Tipp Seniors 2012-2015. He has a decent record, generally beating teams you would expect him to beat (an underrated trait in managers), losing to better teams. Liam Kearns had better results last year, with what was a weaker panel on paper

Now Im sure he has had some positive effect on Tipp football, there are good signs such as all the teams keeping him 3+ years. But as someone posted earlier in thread its unlikely he single handedly lifted Tipp football on his own. I'm pretty sure John Evans likes to take some credit (rightly or wrongly), David Power won an all Ireland to name two I've heard of. Again I dont know all the facts he may have been hugely influential in their underage structures and been the main driver of a ll this

Hes a manager with a decent record, but I think its been inflated a bit by some.

Also wheres the evidence of this "holistic" plan for Laois football? Creedon was appointed as manager of senior and u21 teams (although the 2nd title mysteriously moved to Gary Kavanagh) with some vague line about input to minor team. Id be surprised if he has had any input into structures, I dont see much evidence of the county board driving a plan either.  If we want a holistic plan it needs to include clubs,school and county from U6 up. A director of football (preferably well paid) needs to be appointed to oversee it, imo it would be both undesireable and impractical for this to be the County senior manager.

Best of luck to the lads Sunday. I think we'll win but will be very tough in Tullamore, always hard get over line when lacking confidence after losing a few games. Dropping to division 4 would be a disaster, we would need a very impressive championship to make up for it.

I would see the rot starting in the TOF,  I don't think Lillis was a good appointment but the damage was already done.  However I pretty much second everything else you have said.  A director of football type post is needed,  I would give David Power much of the credit for Tipperary's underage success.  However my point on appointing a Laois Manager does sync into this, we are playing fantasy football unless the senior team starts improving.  The finances as it stands means we are putting all our eggs into improving facilities, if the county team improved we would see an increased revenue which would allow more flexibility with finances.  No matter what anyone thinks Money = Success not Coaches, Players or County Boards.  I think an outside appointment unless an expensive high profile does nothing to  lift to fair weather fans but that a high profile internal (risky) appointment is very much a doable cheaper alternative.

[OTF]

This is the story.

Last year we had an awful league campaign followed by a very poor championship campaign.

Lillis left and we were left in a very poor state, something that has been inevitable for years.

What did we need at that point?

A manager and background team that have experience with developing underage structures & have a proven pedigree with being successful in this area.

How long did it take for Tipp to get from poor side to good side and looking like they'll be a tier 1 side within a few years? It took a LOT of time. Years.

So, surprisingly enough we managed to get a manager and background team with proven pedigree with Tipperary.

Honestly, I would keep him even if we got relegated to div 4 & had a poor championship. It all needs time - him, his background team and other people involved with developing laois gaa underage need and deserve time.

Why? Because we need to give this years, we need to develop underage especially minor / u21 throughout the county. WHY OH WHY would you throw out a man with PROVEN pedigree in this area. Tipp are going from strength to strength and like it or not, it's a fact he had a significant influence on Tipp's turnaround.

To throw him out would be lunacy, in my opinion, ESPECIALLY given the clear as day context of players not available / injured / playing out of position / you name it.

Careful what you wish for. At least with this setup we're aiming to go in the right direction and have a holistic plan for minor / u21 / senior. It certainly beats the clueless mentality that we've witnessed for years now.

You can throw Roe in there or higgins or clancy but let's face it. That's more of the same like dempsey or lillis and not focussing on underage. We need a sea change in the county & that's what's being attempted. I can't for the life of me understand the short-sightedness of town1980 and B-abu. Granted it's only a very small portion of voices on here but I have to wonder if you're thinking about the long-term and I also have to wonder if you're seeing what's in front of your eyes : players missing from all over the park. Not up to standard ability from large numbers of our players. Players playing out of position etc. You don't seem to even acknowledge that. I'm not saying Creedon & his team are Jesus and his apostles - We're saying they have proven experience in getting a poor team across u-21 and senior into a better one over the course of years. We're a poor team weather you like it or not & we're trying to get better holistically but it needs time.

Ok, before I start this is not meant to be an anti Peter Creedon rant. I was happy enough with the appointment, he has a decent record and seems to speak a lot of sense on the game. Im not that impressed by what Ive seen so far, but we have had a lot of injuries and he deserves time to make his mark with the team. The players seem very positive about the setup, thats a huge plus imo.

Tony, you have stated a few times that Creedon has proven pedigree in developing underage. Have you got good evidence for this statement?
Below are some fact as far as I can ascertain (if there are mistakes apologies, Im not a specialist on Tipp football)

Creedon managed Tipp minors 2003-2006
He managed Tipp U21s 2006-2008.
They won no munster titles in this time.They didnt win a minor till 2011 and u21 in 2010

He managed Tipp Seniors 2012-2015. He has a decent record, generally beating teams you would expect him to beat (an underrated trait in managers), losing to better teams. Liam Kearns had better results last year, with what was a weaker panel on paper

Now Im sure he has had some positive effect on Tipp football, there are good signs such as all the teams keeping him 3+ years. But as someone posted earlier in thread its unlikely he single handedly lifted Tipp football on his own. I'm pretty sure John Evans likes to take some credit (rightly or wrongly), David Power won an all Ireland to name two I've heard of. Again I dont know all the facts he may have been hugely influential in their underage structures and been the main driver of a ll this

Hes a manager with a decent record, but I think its been inflated a bit by some.

Also wheres the evidence of this "holistic" plan for Laois football? Creedon was appointed as manager of senior and u21 teams (although the 2nd title mysteriously moved to Gary Kavanagh) with some vague line about input to minor team. Id be surprised if he has had any input into structures, I dont see much evidence of the county board driving a plan either.  If we want a holistic plan it needs to include clubs,school and county from U6 up. A director of football (preferably well paid) needs to be appointed to oversee it, imo it would be both undesireable and impractical for this to be the County senior manager.

Best of luck to the lads Sunday. I think we'll win but will be very tough in Tullamore, always hard get over line when lacking confidence after losing a few games. Dropping to division 4 would be a disaster, we would need a very impressive championship to make up for it.

Very close to my reading of the situation,however I have a few points to make.
I have no problem with Creedon either,but for the life of me I can't see how we can have a great championship after that league.
I'd very much fear a well paid director of football would be a CB cronie.

[Keyser Söze]

Ok, before I start this is not meant to be an anti Peter Creedon rant. I was happy enough with the appointment, he has a decent record and seems to speak a lot of sense on the game. Im not that impressed by what Ive seen so far, but we have had a lot of injuries and he deserves time to make his mark with the team. The players seem very positive about the setup, thats a huge plus imo.

Tony, you have stated a few times that Creedon has proven pedigree in developing underage. Have you got good evidence for this statement?
Below are some fact as far as I can ascertain (if there are mistakes apologies, Im not a specialist on Tipp football)

Creedon managed Tipp minors 2003-2006
He managed Tipp U21s 2006-2008.
They won no munster titles in this time.They didnt win a minor till 2011 and u21 in 2010

He managed Tipp Seniors 2012-2015. He has a decent record, generally beating teams you would expect him to beat (an underrated trait in managers), losing to better teams. Liam Kearns had better results last year, with what was a weaker panel on paper

Now Im sure he has had some positive effect on Tipp football, there are good signs such as all the teams keeping him 3+ years. But as someone posted earlier in thread its unlikely he single handedly lifted Tipp football on his own. I'm pretty sure John Evans likes to take some credit (rightly or wrongly), David Power won an all Ireland to name two I've heard of. Again I dont know all the facts he may have been hugely influential in their underage structures and been the main driver of a ll this

Hes a manager with a decent record, but I think its been inflated a bit by some.

Also wheres the evidence of this "holistic" plan for Laois football? Creedon was appointed as manager of senior and u21 teams (although the 2nd title mysteriously moved to Gary Kavanagh) with some vague line about input to minor team. Id be surprised if he has had any input into structures, I dont see much evidence of the county board driving a plan either.  If we want a holistic plan it needs to include clubs,school and county from U6 up. A director of football (preferably well paid) needs to be appointed to oversee it, imo it would be both undesireable and impractical for this to be the County senior manager.

Best of luck to the lads Sunday. I think we'll win but will be very tough in Tullamore, always hard get over line when lacking confidence after losing a few games. Dropping to division 4 would be a disaster, we would need a very impressive championship to make up for it.

Very sensible and accurate post IMO.

[County Man]

Best of luck to the guys tomorrow.

If we produce the type of performance shown in the second half against Longford, we will win.

[Junior Ex Laoistalk]

David Conway talks about tomorrow's game.
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/04/01/conway-win-offaly-set-us-championship/

[No. 5]

Lads, as with last game I think we'll win tomorrow. On paper it's a decent team (I acknowledge match fitness amongst our bigger names may be lacking). I'd be happy with Creedon if we can scrape survival in Division 3, setting us up for promotion to Division 2 next year. Division 4 is unthinkable. A Leinster title is out of reach for foreseeable future due to Dublin dominance. Division 3 survival with goal of Division 2 is acceptable for the moment. 

[Keyser Söze]

Lads, as with last game I think we'll win tomorrow. On paper it's a decent team (I acknowledge match fitness amongst our bigger names may be lacking). I'd be happy with Creedon if we can scrape survival in Division 3, setting us up for promotion to Division 2 next year. Division 4 is unthinkable. A Leinster title is out of reach for foreseeable future due to Dublin dominance. Division 3 survival with goal of Division 2 is acceptable for the moment.

What in the name of all that's holy suggests that we are "set up" for promotion next year?!

[Junior Ex Laoistalk]

The hurlers did it tonight when they had to and we can do it tomorrow. It's in the blood that when the chips are down we can deliver.
This is a proud team who know they are better than where they find themselves and tomorrow is a massive challenge to their belief in themselves.
It's a must win game, I just can't bear thinking what will happen to football in this county if we drop to Div 4...

[redsetanta]

The graveyard that is O'Connor Park.