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Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
« on: April 25, 2017, 12:55:06 PM »
Welcome back Nameless...you'll be fine. Just trying to figure out who Huey is.

High fielder   ?

I cant figure anyone else except the obvious
 

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Laois / Re: Leinster Minor Football Championship 2017
« on: April 21, 2017, 02:32:42 PM »
Laois Minor Football manager Noel Delaney has announced his starting 15 for Saturday's Electric Ireland MFC clash with Louth at 3pm in O'Moore Park

Courtwood's Alan Kinsella captains the side.


1. Thomas McCann (Ballyroan Abbey)

2. Michael Dowling (Portlaoise)

3. Sean O'Flynn (Courtwood)

4. Daniel Comerford (The Harps)

5. Colin Slevin (Portarlington)

6. Seamus Lacey (Ballylinan)

7. Gary Saunders (Portlaoise)

8. Robert Tyrell (Camross)

9. Diarmuid Whelan (Ballyroan Abbey)

10. Alan Kinsella (Courtwood)

11. Niall Dunne (Courtwood)

12. Ronan Coffey (Portarlington)

13. Mark Barry (O'Dempsey's)

14. Ciaran Comerford (The Harps)

15. Jack Owens (Emo)


Courtwood certainly doing something right.  Well represented on teh senior team and 3 starters on the minor team.

Please excuse my ignorance "The Harps" are ??

You are obviously not from the hurling part of the county!!  Durrow / Cullohill. Currently a Senior B hurling club who were prominent in the 90s - lost a few Senior finals and got relegated last year. Have provided a few footballers to minor and U21 panels down the years but don't remember any senior inter-county footballers from those parts.

Haven't lived in Laois for a long time, but yes of course Durrow/Cullohill I do remember now.
Robert Tyrell first Camross man to play Laois football no ???

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Laois / Re: Leinster Minor Football Championship 2017
« on: April 21, 2017, 12:09:40 PM »
Laois Minor Football manager Noel Delaney has announced his starting 15 for Saturday's Electric Ireland MFC clash with Louth at 3pm in O'Moore Park

Courtwood's Alan Kinsella captains the side.


1. Thomas McCann (Ballyroan Abbey)

2. Michael Dowling (Portlaoise)

3. Sean O'Flynn (Courtwood)

4. Daniel Comerford (The Harps)

5. Colin Slevin (Portarlington)

6. Seamus Lacey (Ballylinan)

7. Gary Saunders (Portlaoise)

8. Robert Tyrell (Camross)

9. Diarmuid Whelan (Ballyroan Abbey)

10. Alan Kinsella (Courtwood)

11. Niall Dunne (Courtwood)

12. Ronan Coffey (Portarlington)

13. Mark Barry (O'Dempsey's)

14. Ciaran Comerford (The Harps)

15. Jack Owens (Emo)


Courtwood certainly doing something right.  Well represented on teh senior team and 3 starters on the minor team.

Please excuse my ignorance "The Harps" are ??

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Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
« on: April 21, 2017, 12:04:07 PM »
This forum has become so ridiculously puerile. Really miss the Laoistalk forum which had editorial control to put managers on people.

Ye, Hogan Standish

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Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
« on: April 18, 2017, 08:40:14 PM »
I was hoping that some of Laois' poor league performances were down to them being heavy-legged due to putting in serious training sessions between league games but that it would ultimately pay off come the Summer. Sadly that's not the case and it's worrying to hear that they only stepping up training now. It might pay dividends but it feels like a last roll of the dice from the management in the hope that something positive will come of it.

Great to have a player of Timmons caliber back playing. One of few true leaders that we have. Realistically, he's not going to be 100% by the Summer but even at 80% would be well worth his place. I think management need to work on tweeking the zonal approach to defending that Laois teams seem to have adopted the last number of years-players happy enough to 'be in their zone' rather than fighting tooth and nail to win the ball ahead of their opponent and making life as difficult as possible for their direct opponent. I'd be happy if our backs put 100% concentration into defending/winning ball as opposed to making runs up the field and constantly looking to get on ball and provide a score. Too often when attacks break down (which they often do) we are left totally exposed on the counter attack and provide our opposition with too much space and room to run in to. We have a talented full-forward line in Kingston, O'Carroll and Walsh. Let's get the ball in to them quick and early and see what they can produce rather than having our half-backs/midfield carrying the ball up the field and allowing the opposition funnel back players who ultimately crowd out and break down our attacks. Kerry provided a blue print against Dublin of what can be achieved by moving ball quickly into your chief score getters.         

It's Laois we're taking about here, we don't do defending, we love our wing backs to bomb forward.
This defending thing is for much lesser counties, you do realise a manager was hauled before an EGM not so long ago for attempting such heresy.
Seriously we had some notions back then" bullocks notions" perhaps but non the less we had notions.
What's real is we don't do defending that's now part of our culture.

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Laois / Re: Allianz Football League 2017 - Division 3
« on: April 06, 2017, 10:38:47 AM »
There are close to 1100 boys in primary schools in Portlaoise Parish,how many of these would be playing or getting coached in the parish clubs?.

id wager no more than 20%-30% at the very most.


As for Graiguecullen,dont think ive ever seen them travel to an U8/10 Go Games fixture and the amount of underage games they conceded last year across all the age groups was nothing short of a disgrace.

At last, I've  asked that question many time, 1100 boys that's some numbers, do you know roughly how many not including The Heath, Clonad and Ratheneska.

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Laois / Re: Allianz Football League 2017 - Division 3
« on: April 04, 2017, 05:36:46 PM »
Anyone on this forum ever had personal experience working with any of the GDA's? What is your opinion on them and why?

We would have to start up a new forum if lads were to start contributing to this Red Setanta. Appointments by nepotism and then not showing any desire to go and undertake any CPD through courses/training/upskilling should be grounds for concern.

Maybe we should have a thread dedicated to GDAs

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Laois / Re: Allianz Football League 2017 - Division 3
« on: April 04, 2017, 12:34:41 PM »
I would suggest that we get no one from within the county in to to do this.

We need 2/3 people who would look at this completely dispassionately and make recommendations without fear or favour.

Agree

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Laois / Re: Allianz Football League 2017 - Division 3
« on: April 04, 2017, 09:30:10 AM »


The GDAs (Begley excused) are not working out. Is that a job for life, or do they actually have targets? Can they just churn out year after year of muck and be allowed to continue?

Couldn't agree more donnie brennan and james kelly have turned into council workers appointed through nepotism lazy no vision but untouchable should be a clean sweep every 3 -5 years
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A few years ago the clubs call for an EGM I think to discuss the type of football McNulty was imposing on the senior team.
What are the clubs doing now .... why are they not now calling for the removal of the people who have presided of the debacle that is Laois football (all levels) right now.

As for the GDA's  well I wouldn't fire them if the were any good there should certainly be a yearly review..... but who's would carry out such  a review  ?? 

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Laois / Re: Allianz Football League 2017 - Division 3
« on: April 03, 2017, 07:12:24 PM »
I'm new to this so have patience. In my opinion I think the lack of competitiveness in Laois over the last ten years is the real problem. Portlaoise won nine in a row and fair to them. The rest of the club teams put out 15 players with some of them not fit to play junior but clubs had no choice. In days of old when there were bigger families clubs could field no problem but now most families are smaller and not everyone wants to play GAA anymore. So would it not be better to have parish teams to try raise the competitiveness in the county and reduce the championship to 8 teams??

With their total domination one would think they would backbone the country team not so.
The reason the local championship is poor is because of lack of quality.
Good players =good championship not the other way around.

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Laois / Re: Allianz Football League 2017 - Division 3
« on: April 03, 2017, 07:04:25 PM »
With regard to population the opposite is true

The population soared from less than 59,000 in 2002, to almost 85k in 2016. By 2023 it is predicted to reach almost 90,000.

In 2011 figures, Laois had the highest population in the country of 0-18 year olds. Nearly 39 percent are aged under 25, compared to 34 percent nationally.

Portlaoise will pass 25k when the next census results are released,how many of the blow ins or the new Irish are being enticed into playing or mentoring with laois club gaa?.

We need a root and branch overhaul of how we conduct our gaa business,a lot of it will be painful and the results may not be seen in the next 7/10 years but it needs to be done now.

As the old saying goes,never waste a good crisis to implement change

Exactly, I made this point earlier.

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Laois / Re: Allianz Football League 2017 - Division 3
« on: April 03, 2017, 11:32:17 AM »
end of league....the embarrassment of relegation to the bottom tier.

after 7 league games:
team unfit, club sides are fitter than this outfit.
little or no discipline....you might blame 1 or 2 biased refs, they all can't be wrong....the team mentality is wrong....many of the fouls yielding the red cards have been a result of fitness and planning issues.
the planning issues.....there is no plan....lob it into donie and hope he scores enough to beat the opposition.
once upon a time not so long ago, we had 6 forwards who could score given a chance, now apart from donie, evan and Conway, the rest are shy about shooting...a real sign of weakness in an intercounty team.

we are told the management is popular with the players....are they making life too easily and the whole set up is lazy and easy as compared to the suffering other intercounty squads have to put up with...........every club in this county could appoint a "nice popular" coach...if the performances on the playing field are desperate, those clubs would go into self preservation mode and part company and find an alternative.

on the watch of the current county board chairman we have dropped from div 1 to 4, and it was most likely his call and influence that has appointed two right turkeys in O Flaherty and Creedon.......the chairman's vision has led us down a blind alley.

I 100% agree with previous posters, in that some of these full time coaches are not fit for purpose...our best coaches were volunteers, and said personnel are probably sitting back and wrestling with the idea as to why they should return when others failing system are on a full time contract.

we have not hit rock bottom yet, with nothing coming through at underage level, there is every chance fall further and we will remain for some time at the bottom of the Leinster footballing pyramid with Wicklow and Carlow.

No plan= plan to fail ==  and we achieved this objective.

what to do for now.....
...get rid of this management.....
....appoint a few locals, joe Higgins/Clancy/Rooney to take charge
.....basically write off this season and allow them rebuild from division 4 next winter and start to re-organise at underage level
...perhaps invite all vested parties into a crisis football meeting and maybe encourage those from the successful past back into the fold...
..and no more nepotism!.

I agree, the crisis football meeting needs to be called and soon  the clubs must  demand it, the sooner people stop deluding themselves and get started looking seriously at all aspects of whats wrong especially youth development the sooner we'll pull out of this. This drop to div. 4 was probably needed otherwise the powers that be would endeavour to put some sort of a positive slant on it .... from here there's no such option.

My own view is and (I'm very much open to discussion on this) for the last 40/50 years Portlaoise and Joe's have supplied half the county team between them in all grades more or less, yesterday no outfield player from either club. No Portlaoise player on the u21 panel very small number on  all underage panels.
Rural clubs are suffering big time for numbers, not just in Laois  same in Cork, Limerick and  in most counties just reference the winter long debate here "Gales and Amalgamation thread " and at the same time there a distinct decline of interest in the GAA in big towns ( in many counties ) Dublin of course the exception.
This is the area we must put a huge focus on and try and get a far greater return from than we have being getting in the last 10 years.
The rural clubs are doing wonderful  work and will continue to do so but they are working with ever decreasing numbers.  The big population areas has to be where the big effort comes from or else reinvent the wheel.














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Laois / Re: Allianz Football League 2017 - Division 3
« on: April 02, 2017, 10:27:11 PM »
Lads here delighted Laois were bet. So they can win the internet.  >:(

It's a sorry state of affairs but it's true.

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Laois / Re: Allianz Football League 2017 - Division 3
« on: April 01, 2017, 10:22:47 AM »
This is the story.

Last year we had an awful league campaign followed by a very poor championship campaign.

Lillis left and we were left in a very poor state, something that has been inevitable for years.

What did we need at that point?

A manager and background team that have experience with developing underage structures & have a proven pedigree with being successful in this area.

How long did it take for Tipp to get from poor side to good side and looking like they'll be a tier 1 side within a few years? It took a LOT of time. Years.

So, surprisingly enough we managed to get a manager and background team with proven pedigree with Tipperary.

Honestly, I would keep him even if we got relegated to div 4 & had a poor championship. It all needs time - him, his background team and other people involved with developing laois gaa underage need and deserve time.

Why? Because we need to give this years, we need to develop underage especially minor / u21 throughout the county. WHY OH WHY would you throw out a man with PROVEN pedigree in this area. Tipp are going from strength to strength and like it or not, it's a fact he had a significant influence on Tipp's turnaround.

To throw him out would be lunacy, in my opinion, ESPECIALLY given the clear as day context of players not available / injured / playing out of position / you name it.

Careful what you wish for. At least with this setup we're aiming to go in the right direction and have a holistic plan for minor / u21 / senior. It certainly beats the clueless mentality that we've witnessed for years now.

You can throw Roe in there or higgins or clancy but let's face it. That's more of the same like dempsey or lillis and not focussing on underage. We need a sea change in the county & that's what's being attempted. I can't for the life of me understand the short-sightedness of town1980 and B-abu. Granted it's only a very small portion of voices on here but I have to wonder if you're thinking about the long-term and I also have to wonder if you're seeing what's in front of your eyes : players missing from all over the park. Not up to standard ability from large numbers of our players. Players playing out of position etc. You don't seem to even acknowledge that. I'm not saying Creedon & his team are Jesus and his apostles - We're saying they have proven experience in getting a poor team across u-21 and senior into a better one over the course of years. We're a poor team weather you like it or not & we're trying to get better holistically but it needs time.

Ok, before I start this is not meant to be an anti Peter Creedon rant. I was happy enough with the appointment, he has a decent record and seems to speak a lot of sense on the game. Im not that impressed by what Ive seen so far, but we have had a lot of injuries and he deserves time to make his mark with the team. The players seem very positive about the setup, thats a huge plus imo.

Tony, you have stated a few times that Creedon has proven pedigree in developing underage. Have you got good evidence for this statement?
Below are some fact as far as I can ascertain (if there are mistakes apologies, Im not a specialist on Tipp football)

Creedon managed Tipp minors 2003-2006
He managed Tipp U21s 2006-2008.
They won no munster titles in this time.They didnt win a minor till 2011 and u21 in 2010

He managed Tipp Seniors 2012-2015. He has a decent record, generally beating teams you would expect him to beat (an underrated trait in managers), losing to better teams. Liam Kearns had better results last year, with what was a weaker panel on paper

Now Im sure he has had some positive effect on Tipp football, there are good signs such as all the teams keeping him 3+ years. But as someone posted earlier in thread its unlikely he single handedly lifted Tipp football on his own. I'm pretty sure John Evans likes to take some credit (rightly or wrongly), David Power won an all Ireland to name two I've heard of. Again I dont know all the facts he may have been hugely influential in their underage structures and been the main driver of a ll this

Hes a manager with a decent record, but I think its been inflated a bit by some.

Also wheres the evidence of this "holistic" plan for Laois football? Creedon was appointed as manager of senior and u21 teams (although the 2nd title mysteriously moved to Gary Kavanagh) with some vague line about input to minor team. Id be surprised if he has had any input into structures, I dont see much evidence of the county board driving a plan either.  If we want a holistic plan it needs to include clubs,school and county from U6 up. A director of football (preferably well paid) needs to be appointed to oversee it, imo it would be both undesireable and impractical for this to be the County senior manager.

Best of luck to the lads Sunday. I think we'll win but will be very tough in Tullamore, always hard get over line when lacking confidence after losing a few games. Dropping to division 4 would be a disaster, we would need a very impressive championship to make up for it.
Very close to my reading of the situation,however I have a few points to make.
I have no problem with Creedon either,but for the life of me I can't see how we can have a great championship after that league.
I'd very much fear a well paid director of football would be a CB cronie.

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Laois / Re: Allianz Football League 2017 - Division 3
« on: March 26, 2017, 09:50:04 AM »
I wouldn't presume anything when it comes to Offaly but if we beat them next week we stay up
Is that right ?

I think both ourselves and Antrim should be -19

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