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Laois / Re: Laois GAA Strategic Review
« on: August 18, 2017, 10:48:41 PM »
Surly with 25% of the population a GDA should be assigned solely to Portlaoise.

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Laois / Re: Laois SFC 2017
« on: August 17, 2017, 10:00:55 PM »
Dare I say
Green shoots

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Laois / Re: Next Laois football manager
« on: August 11, 2017, 07:01:11 PM »
what have these last few points got to do with the laois managers job???

Job description

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Laois / Re: Next Laois football manager
« on: August 10, 2017, 01:25:27 PM »
Colm ORourke made some good points last night on the bigger picture.

Joe canning article was a good read too  ..

There has to be a tiered championship

Would take a while to bed in but we would wonder then why it wasnt always there.

Local man for the laois jod and a ten year plan to try and make us competitive again ..

Yep, but in a tiered championship we are probably in the lowest tier right now!

In county equivalent
Junior B

Ideal, lads be expected to have a few pints before a game then!  ;)

Never thought of that very good

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Laois / Re: Next Laois football manager
« on: August 10, 2017, 12:40:43 PM »
Colm ORourke made some good points last night on the bigger picture.

Joe canning article was a good read too  ..

There has to be a tiered championship

Would take a while to bed in but we would wonder then why it wasnt always there.

Local man for the laois jod and a ten year plan to try and make us competitive again ..

Yep, but in a tiered championship we are probably in the lowest tier right now!

In county equivalent
Junior B

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Laois / Re: Next Laois football manager
« on: August 06, 2017, 06:31:40 PM »
1) At what point do we decide that *bing* now our players are good enough to deserve being prepared properly
2) What exactly are we going to judge this good enough against?
3) If we produce some good minor or U21 players over the next few years do we refuse to allow them to join the senior panel? In case they would be cross contaminated like!
4) What players are going to commit endless hours representing YOUR county during this "resource-less" period?

Mental. Stupid. Unbecoming. Ill-informed. (Take your pick)

Just because someone holds a different point of view should they have to put up this level of abuse ???
This forum is rapidly growing down hill. Hogan Stand with all its faults has moderators.

Just to be clear (and it may well not be clear from what I wrote) that last line was regarding the opinion stated, not the poster. I know nothing of the poster.
The line
Mental. Stupid. Unbecoming. Ill-informed. (Take your pick)
was in relation to the opinion offered.

Ok point taken.
Agree with Giovanni I enjoy both of ye most of the time.

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Laois / Re: Next Laois football manager
« on: August 05, 2017, 05:44:48 PM »
Stall the ball OTF

There are a fair few lads on here who are condescending to say the least.  Keyser is well entitled to stand his ground.   

If we wanted to be on the Hogan Stand we would be there.

Standing your ground.....O !!!

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Laois / Re: Next Laois football manager
« on: August 05, 2017, 03:23:20 PM »
1) At what point do we decide that *bing* now our players are good enough to deserve being prepared properly
2) What exactly are we going to judge this good enough against?
3) If we produce some good minor or U21 players over the next few years do we refuse to allow them to join the senior panel? In case they would be cross contaminated like!
4) What players are going to commit endless hours representing YOUR county during this "resource-less" period?

Mental. Stupid. Unbecoming. Ill-informed. (Take your pick)

Just because someone holds a different point of view should they have to put up this level of abuse ???
This forum is rapidly growing down hill. Hogan Stand with all its faults has moderators.

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Laois / Re: Laois SFC 2017
« on: August 01, 2017, 07:44:58 PM »
I'm telling you that your thinking is flawed if you believe defending can be coached but attacking cant. Tell that to German FA 20 years ago who put structures in place to develop skilled players. Now they have two squads of quality playing an attractive brand of football and are the standard bearers on an international level. Bet they regret not hiring Jack Charlton instead.
What we should be doing with urgency is putting coaches in place to develop as many u6,8,10s that are well balanced, have good functional movement and using left and right sides equally. Maybe in 10-15 years we would have a team playing quality football.
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Attacking play yes , I agree can be coached but that's not what I posted.
For example could Kevin Meaney be turned in Donie Kingston in my opinion no, no matter how much coaching he gets because he doesn't have the natural ability. You could however turn for example Damian O Connor and Garrett Dillon into defenders.
Look at the Mayo for the last 30 years any amount of good footballers why aren't they able to convert or coach a few finishers from that amount of talent. Because imo they didn't have or dont have enough natural ability to work with in the first place.
High fielder is of the opinion that we don't have natural defenders and I believe defending can be coached. My post was replying in that context.
I agree with the remainder of your post.

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Laois / Re: Laois SFC 2017
« on: July 31, 2017, 06:01:17 PM »
I agree Butch, he was, but where would he enjoy that sort of freedom outside of Laois? This is a big part of problem. Work without the ball and tackling. I have no preference for a coach, but I think we need Mick Dempsey to come and teach us some things. Our defending is pathetic
We've had this discussion more than once HF and the good news is tackling and good defending can actually be thought as opposed to kicking the ball over the bar a talent you are born with.

I like your suggestion to bring in a coach for this purpose, that would improve things but hard and unglamorous work required for this is not part of our DNA and that needs to change.
In short whether we like it or not the "fancy dan"culture must come to an end.

Are you joking here? If not u should be banned from ever commenting on football again. Not just on the internet either, in your local pub, at the gaa field, on public transport and anywhere gaa is discussed.  :'(

Thats pretty aggressive language you're using there, perhaps you might explain yourself.

Stop deflecting from the fact that you on here trying to rectify the ills in Laois football while holding the opinion that you can coach defending but kicking a ball between two posts is a skill you are 'born with'. This statement discredits any other comment you will ever make on coaching or games development.

I'll comment on this forum on what and as often as I wish and you or anyone else well not dictate to me what I am qualified to comment on. My comments are my own opinion and I most certainly am not trying to impose them on anyone or indeed for anyone to take them serious
Now have I hit a raw nerve here or are you trying to tell me that you are involved in coaching and development and you are the expert here and I know nothing..... and you know what you could be right. Either way I don't give s**t.

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Laois / Re: Laois SFC 2017
« on: July 31, 2017, 09:22:19 AM »
I agree Butch, he was, but where would he enjoy that sort of freedom outside of Laois? This is a big part of problem. Work without the ball and tackling. I have no preference for a coach, but I think we need Mick Dempsey to come and teach us some things. Our defending is pathetic
We've had this discussion more than once HF and the good news is tackling and good defending can actually be thought as opposed to kicking the ball over the bar a talent you are born with.

I like your suggestion to bring in a coach for this purpose, that would improve things but hard and unglamorous work required for this is not part of our DNA and that needs to change.
In short whether we like it or not the "fancy dan"culture must come to an end.

Are you joking here? If not u should be banned from ever commenting on football again. Not just on the internet either, in your local pub, at the gaa field, on public transport and anywhere gaa is discussed.  :'(

Thats pretty aggressive language you're using there, perhaps you might explain yourself.

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Laois / Re: Next Laois football manager
« on: July 30, 2017, 03:46:54 PM »
We beat Armagh 3 times last year - Twice in the championship and once in the league. And now here they are a year later looking good for their quarter final appearance after a great performance VS a Kildare team who annihilated us earlier this year.

True..... but we wouldn't want to lose sight of the fact that we are a team in decline in both age and in terms of new talent coming through. Armagh on the other hand have a lot of young players coming through and they have Jamie Clarke back.

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Laois / Re: Laois SFC 2017
« on: July 30, 2017, 03:22:05 PM »
I agree Butch, he was, but where would he enjoy that sort of freedom outside of Laois? This is a big part of problem. Work without the ball and tackling. I have no preference for a coach, but I think we need Mick Dempsey to come and teach us some things. Our defending is pathetic
We've had this discussion more than once HF and the good news is tackling and good defending can actually be thought as opposed to kicking the ball over the bar a talent you are born with.

I like your suggestion to bring in a coach for this purpose, that would improve things but hard and unglamorous work required for this is not part of our DNA and that needs to change.
In short whether we like it or not the "fancy dan"culture must come to an end.

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Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
« on: July 22, 2017, 07:12:25 PM »
I still think we're still producing some nice raw footballers in Laois at underage. The difference is, the game has changed. "Nice" footballers like we have wont cut it anymore. They'll have to be harnessed like Kildare or Dublin youngsters to compete. It's a pity the game has gone in a lot of ways. It wont suit "nice, natural" footballers like Laois traditionally have. Fierce, professional level S&C and tactics are the name of the game nowadays. I think that's a lot to do with our demise at underage. We just haven't kept in line with the growing trends. Again, we would be grand in the 90's - still relatively successful. We'll just have to shadow what the big teams are doing, or else we're going to be passed by. It's unfortunate : about 20 counties are in a similar position to us at the moment. The funding that Dublin are getting just makes a joke of things : they've raised the bar so high that it's almost impossible for other counties with poor resources to compete.

Outside of Dublin we've got the highest funding in Leinster

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Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
« on: July 22, 2017, 06:03:40 PM »
Quote
Steven seagull that team u have assembled three will not get near out of division 4.

First things first, it's Steven Seagal, I've been in films, I'm actually very famous. Secondly, did you even read the post, or did you just pick out the names of lads you don't like and decide to tell us all how sh*te you think they are? I said it could take us a year or two to get out of Division 4 with that team. You might not like the lads coming through, but they are the players we have to work with. The only thing we can do is try to make them better, give them time to play together and support them as best we can.

What's the alternative?

I can't wait to see the alternative.

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