Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022

[ThomasMullan]

alot of putting words in people mouths going on... if I am critical of Zelenskys support of Israel for example, is that ok? or is that a show of support for Russia.

Carlson will just be spouting the same words he always has, just lies and propaganda.

Criticise Zelenskyy all you like, but ponder how he is apparently a pro-Israel Jew and also a super Nazi according to Russia. What a guy.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

alot of putting words in people mouths going on... if I am critical of Zelenskys support of Israel for example, is that ok? or is that a show of support for Russia.

Carlson will just be spouting the same words he always has, just lies and propaganda.

Criticise Zelenskyy all you like, but ponder how he is apparently a pro-Israel Jew and also a super Nazi according to Russia. What a guy.

tucker is a tool, but not related to my point.

Supremacists flock together, plenty of Nazis support Israel,  they just don't want Jews as neighbours so moving Jews to Israel works for Nazis now. (not a comments on Zelensky as a Nazi, just Nazis and zionists/supremacists are not mutually exclusive)

[ThomasMullan]

I was speaking to a Ukrainian living in Ireland the other day who absolutely detests Zelensky and the Ukrainian government She is from near the Donbas region, speaks Russian (only pigeon Ukrainian) and used the phrase "I am not pro Russian, I am Russian". Her gripes were that they are more culturally and societally to Russia than a Ukraine. Said they felt trapped in a country they didn't associate with and refused to acknowledge it 👀
She mentioned the Azov battalion as well.

Basically they are trapped here now because her husbands passport was cancelled for leaving the country in wartime.
I was suprised because we don't hear this point of view much but it was interesting to hear her point of view.

I actually made a few enquires from Ukrainian friends before replying to this post, one in Ireland, one in Poland and one in Czechia. None of them have had their passports cancelled for leaving Ukraine (one illegally) and in fact one pointed out that it would be illegal and against the Ukrainian constitution to do so.

Ukraine wants men of fighting age to return home. How can they do that with no passport?

One also pointed out that given how controversial Ukraines martial law policy of not allowing males of a certain age to leave the country, if Ukraine were cancelling their passports as a form of punishment, we would have most definitely heard about it from the usual quarters.

I think those who left without permission could find themselves in a quandary when their passports expire however. Doesn't sound as controversial or juicy as having your passport 'cancelled' though does it.

[ThomasMullan]

I was speaking to a Ukrainian living in Ireland the other day who absolutely detests Zelensky and the Ukrainian government She is from near the Donbas region, speaks Russian (only pigeon Ukrainian) and used the phrase "I am not pro Russian, I am Russian". Her gripes were that they are more culturally and societally to Russia than a Ukraine. Said they felt trapped in a country they didn't associate with and refused to acknowledge it 👀
She mentioned the Azov battalion as well.

Basically they are trapped here now because her husbands passport was cancelled for leaving the country in wartime.
I was suprised because we don't hear this point of view much but it was interesting to hear her point of view.

I'm sure that he could get a Russian passport and head to Moscow instead of been trapped here.

Pro-Russians who stick it out in Donbas will be well looked after if Putin wins.

Have to disagree with you here Dag Dog, they'll be treated like ordinary Russians in Russia. Like shit. Certainly treated better than those who refuse Russian passports in the occupied territory though, where life is being made unbearable.

[armaghniac]

I was speaking to a Ukrainian living in Ireland the other day who absolutely detests Zelensky and the Ukrainian government She is from near the Donbas region, speaks Russian (only pigeon Ukrainian) and used the phrase "I am not pro Russian, I am Russian". Her gripes were that they are more culturally and societally to Russia than a Ukraine. Said they felt trapped in a country they didn't associate with and refused to acknowledge it 👀
She mentioned the Azov battalion as well.

Basically they are trapped here now because her husbands passport was cancelled for leaving the country in wartime.
I was suprised because we don't hear this point of view much but it was interesting to hear her point of view.

WTF is she doing here, should she not be in Russia? It takes up on sixth of the land on earth, there should be room for her there.

[ThomasMullan]

I was speaking to a Ukrainian living in Ireland the other day who absolutely detests Zelensky and the Ukrainian government She is from near the Donbas region, speaks Russian (only pigeon Ukrainian) and used the phrase "I am not pro Russian, I am Russian". Her gripes were that they are more culturally and societally to Russia than a Ukraine. Said they felt trapped in a country they didn't associate with and refused to acknowledge it 👀
She mentioned the Azov battalion as well.

Basically they are trapped here now because her husbands passport was cancelled for leaving the country in wartime.
I was suprised because we don't hear this point of view much but it was interesting to hear her point of view.

WTF is she doing here, should she not be in Russia? It takes up on sixth of the land on earth, there should be room for her there.

I don't begrudge her coming here to escape a war zone. Turns out Russia coming to rescue you is extremely hazardous to your health as the mass graves littering Ukraine's ruined cities will testify. Not to mention the uncounted dead in ruined residential buildings in Mariupol bulldozed and taken away to be dumped.

Her passport story doesn't add up though.

[RedHand88]

I was speaking to a Ukrainian living in Ireland the other day who absolutely detests Zelensky and the Ukrainian government She is from near the Donbas region, speaks Russian (only pigeon Ukrainian) and used the phrase "I am not pro Russian, I am Russian". Her gripes were that they are more culturally and societally to Russia than a Ukraine. Said they felt trapped in a country they didn't associate with and refused to acknowledge it 👀
She mentioned the Azov battalion as well.

Basically they are trapped here now because her husbands passport was cancelled for leaving the country in wartime.
I was suprised because we don't hear this point of view much but it was interesting to hear her point of view.

WTF is she doing here, should she not be in Russia? It takes up on sixth of the land on earth, there should be room for her there.

I don't begrudge her coming here to escape a war zone. Turns out Russia coming to rescue you is extremely hazardous to your health as the mass graves littering Ukraine's ruined cities will testify. Not to mention the uncounted dead in ruined residential buildings in Mariupol bulldozed and taken away to be dumped.

Her passport story doesn't add up though.

I'm only telling you what she said. I might see her next week or the week after again so I'll probe further. Woman clearly had very strong views on the matter. Got very passionate when I questioned her.

[armaghniac]

I was speaking to a Ukrainian living in Ireland the other day who absolutely detests Zelensky and the Ukrainian government She is from near the Donbas region, speaks Russian (only pigeon Ukrainian) and used the phrase "I am not pro Russian, I am Russian". Her gripes were that they are more culturally and societally to Russia than a Ukraine. Said they felt trapped in a country they didn't associate with and refused to acknowledge it 👀
She mentioned the Azov battalion as well.

Basically they are trapped here now because her husbands passport was cancelled for leaving the country in wartime.
I was suprised because we don't hear this point of view much but it was interesting to hear her point of view.

WTF is she doing here, should she not be in Russia? It takes up on sixth of the land on earth, there should be room for her there.

I don't begrudge her coming here to escape a war zone. Turns out Russia coming to rescue you is extremely hazardous to your health as the mass graves littering Ukraine's ruined cities will testify. Not to mention the uncounted dead in ruined residential buildings in Mariupol bulldozed and taken away to be dumped.

Her passport story doesn't add up though.

I'm only telling you what she said. I might see her next week or the week after again so I'll probe further. Woman clearly had very strong views on the matter. Got very passionate when I questioned her.

Zelensky is a Russian speaker, although he makes the effort to use Ukrainian nowadays, many Russian speakers do likewise given the actions of the Russians. But it is not as if he is some kind of mad anti-Russian.

[ThomasMullan]

I was speaking to a Ukrainian living in Ireland the other day who absolutely detests Zelensky and the Ukrainian government She is from near the Donbas region, speaks Russian (only pigeon Ukrainian) and used the phrase "I am not pro Russian, I am Russian". Her gripes were that they are more culturally and societally to Russia than a Ukraine. Said they felt trapped in a country they didn't associate with and refused to acknowledge it 👀
She mentioned the Azov battalion as well.

Basically they are trapped here now because her husbands passport was cancelled for leaving the country in wartime.
I was suprised because we don't hear this point of view much but it was interesting to hear her point of view.

WTF is she doing here, should she not be in Russia? It takes up on sixth of the land on earth, there should be room for her there.

I don't begrudge her coming here to escape a war zone. Turns out Russia coming to rescue you is extremely hazardous to your health as the mass graves littering Ukraine's ruined cities will testify. Not to mention the uncounted dead in ruined residential buildings in Mariupol bulldozed and taken away to be dumped.

Her passport story doesn't add up though.

I'm only telling you what she said. I might see her next week or the week after again so I'll probe further. Woman clearly had very strong views on the matter. Got very passionate when I questioned her.

Yes, I get that, not shooting the messenger.

She might not like being probed on it, it is very personal information after all,  but I'd be interested to hear how her husband was informed that the passport was cancelled.

Also did they travel to Russia to get out of Ukraine? The only other way for her husband to get out through a legal Ukrainian border would be bribery or sneaking out in some way (difficult but not impossible). In all these cases, the Ukrainian authorities wouldn't even know they had left the country so how to know whose passport to cancel?

I'm sure she is very passionate about the subject however her personal national affinity doesn't override Ukraine's internationally recognised border with Russia nor the treaties that Russia signed with Ukraine on the matter.

Those Ukrainian passports they both held were handy for getting to Ireland visa-free. Wonder how they'll like the Russian one.

[ThomasMullan]

Glad I found this again. Not all Russians had the blinkers on about what was really happening in the Donbas in 2014-15. Not surprisingly, this chap had to leave Russia in 2022. I'm sure that was his last appearance on that particular show as well.

From 2017 I believe:

https://x.com/natalkakyiv/status/1653184747911127051?s=46

[Franko]

I was speaking to a Ukrainian living in Ireland the other day who absolutely detests Zelensky and the Ukrainian government She is from near the Donbas region, speaks Russian (only pigeon Ukrainian) and used the phrase "I am not pro Russian, I am Russian". Her gripes were that they are more culturally and societally to Russia than a Ukraine. Said they felt trapped in a country they didn't associate with and refused to acknowledge it 👀
She mentioned the Azov battalion as well.

Basically they are trapped here now because her husbands passport was cancelled for leaving the country in wartime.
I was suprised because we don't hear this point of view much but it was interesting to hear her point of view.

WTF is she doing here, should she not be in Russia? It takes up on sixth of the land on earth, there should be room for her there.

Ironically, that's what Paisley et al used to say about Catholics in the north.

Give yer head a wobble

[Main Street]

Glad I found this again. Not all Russians had the blinkers on about what was really happening in the Donbas in 2014-15. Not surprisingly, this chap had to leave Russia in 2022. I'm sure that was his last appearance on that particular show as well.

From 2017 I believe:

https://x.com/natalkakyiv/status/1653184747911127051?s=46

From 03/2014
March for the peace and freedom in Moscow was one of the anti-war protests in Russia.

[armaghniac]

I was speaking to a Ukrainian living in Ireland the other day who absolutely detests Zelensky and the Ukrainian government She is from near the Donbas region, speaks Russian (only pigeon Ukrainian) and used the phrase "I am not pro Russian, I am Russian". Her gripes were that they are more culturally and societally to Russia than a Ukraine. Said they felt trapped in a country they didn't associate with and refused to acknowledge it 👀
She mentioned the Azov battalion as well.

Basically they are trapped here now because her husbands passport was cancelled for leaving the country in wartime.
I was suprised because we don't hear this point of view much but it was interesting to hear her point of view.

WTF is she doing here, should she not be in Russia? It takes up on sixth of the land on earth, there should be room for her there.

Ironically, that's what Paisley et al used to say about Catholics in the north.

Give yer head a wobble

She is here under false pretences as a person driven out by Russians when she is supportive of this this is nothing to do with Catholics in the North, quite the opposite actually. 

[Itchy]

I was speaking to a Ukrainian living in Ireland the other day who absolutely detests Zelensky and the Ukrainian government She is from near the Donbas region, speaks Russian (only pigeon Ukrainian) and used the phrase "I am not pro Russian, I am Russian". Her gripes were that they are more culturally and societally to Russia than a Ukraine. Said they felt trapped in a country they didn't associate with and refused to acknowledge it 👀
She mentioned the Azov battalion as well.

Basically they are trapped here now because her husbands passport was cancelled for leaving the country in wartime.
I was suprised because we don't hear this point of view much but it was interesting to hear her point of view.

WTF is she doing here, should she not be in Russia? It takes up on sixth of the land on earth, there should be room for her there.

Ironically, that's what Paisley et al used to say about Catholics in the north.

Give yer head a wobble

She is here under false pretences as a person driven out by Russians when she is supportive of this this is nothing to do with Catholics in the North, quite the opposite actually.

Did he say she was here as a refugee?

[RedHand88]

I was speaking to a Ukrainian living in Ireland the other day who absolutely detests Zelensky and the Ukrainian government She is from near the Donbas region, speaks Russian (only pigeon Ukrainian) and used the phrase "I am not pro Russian, I am Russian". Her gripes were that they are more culturally and societally to Russia than a Ukraine. Said they felt trapped in a country they didn't associate with and refused to acknowledge it 👀
She mentioned the Azov battalion as well.

Basically they are trapped here now because her husbands passport was cancelled for leaving the country in wartime.
I was suprised because we don't hear this point of view much but it was interesting to hear her point of view.

WTF is she doing here, should she not be in Russia? It takes up on sixth of the land on earth, there should be room for her there.

Ironically, that's what Paisley et al used to say about Catholics in the north.

Give yer head a wobble

She is here under false pretences as a person driven out by Russians when she is supportive of this this is nothing to do with Catholics in the North, quite the opposite actually.

Did he say she was here as a refugee?

I did not indeed. She's working in Dublin, with a house etc.